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  Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 17:03 -0700
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-20 20:28 -0400
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 14:38 +1100
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 13:55 +1100
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 20:59 -0700
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 16:51 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 07:53 -0700
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:19 +1100
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-21 09:57 +0000
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 09:06 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:11 -0400
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:51 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 15:10 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 06:24 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:49 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 21:10 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:18 +0000
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 10:57 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-21 15:01 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-21 16:20 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 12:38 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-21 17:18 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:55 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 17:15 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:04 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 10:11 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 14:16 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:29 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:40 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:32 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 15:08 -0700
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:02 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:46 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:19 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 09:52 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 14:12 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:00 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 18:58 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:32 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:30 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:20 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 21:10 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-23 09:47 -0500
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:48 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:50 +0000
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:54 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:31 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 14:20 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:53 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 19:05 +0000
                          Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-24 10:20 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-24 19:06 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:35 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:22 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 17:15 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 12:17 +1100
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:03 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:44 +1100
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-21 21:57 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:14 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 13:54 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:14 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 14:38 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:54 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 15:09 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 06:24 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 17:15 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 09:00 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:06 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 11:24 +1100
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:10 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:43 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:33 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:26 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:28 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 20:30 -0400
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:06 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:40 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:12 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:23 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 21:26 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:46 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:52 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:22 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:49 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:25 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:33 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 14:08 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-23 14:09 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 18:33 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:49 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:37 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:15 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:29 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:43 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:18 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 13:30 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:44 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 15:04 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 15:16 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 19:33 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 15:51 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 19:59 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 07:07 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 16:36 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 08:37 +1100
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 21:45 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-24 10:51 +1300
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 18:43 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 22:56 +0000
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 10:29 +1100
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-24 05:36 +0000
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-24 01:47 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 19:44 +1100
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-24 15:04 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-24 05:35 +0000
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 07:02 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:05 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:19 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 00:36 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:18 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:36 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:12 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 22:20 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:30 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:24 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:39 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-22 20:05 -0700
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 23:46 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 15:00 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 14:52 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-23 00:10 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 18:58 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 13:41 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 18:52 +0000
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:48 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:33 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:13 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:29 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:59 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-03-23 13:14 -0400
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 01:39 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 00:52 -0400
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:11 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:44 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 06:22 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:40 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:17 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:28 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:47 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:56 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 04:09 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 19:14 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 04:47 -0400
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 20:40 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-22 08:49 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 04:38 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:23 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:13 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:30 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:11 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-22 08:43 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:36 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 04:31 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:24 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 14:04 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:25 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:15 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:40 +0000
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 09:02 -0400
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-21 11:43 -0500
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:10 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-22 10:33 -0500
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 15:48 +0000

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#71739

In article <mek5nn$1cj$2@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> > Yeah, but that doesn't help the haters blame Apple. Logic be damned.
> 
> Apple's fault or the banks' fault- who cares whose fault it is? 

because that's who is responsible for fixing it.

> I have rediscovered cash for making purchases - it's quick, convenient, 
> secure, accepted everywhere, and it works when the power goes out or 
> the network goes down. I got to go to the front of the line at the 
> grocery store because I had cash during a network outage. Almost nobody 
> else in the store could buy their food. They all had dumbfounded, 
> panicked looks on their faces. The network outage, which lasted for more 
> than an hour all over the city, was the top story on the local news that 
> night.

that store is clearly not prepared for outages. i've been in stores
that have had network outages as well as power outages and all they do
is pull out the mechanical sliders and carbon paper receipts. it's
slower but it doesn't shut anything down. at most, they have to find a
runner to go to the shelf and get the price since it won't show up
automatically on the cash register.

as for cash, try buying airline tickets that way. you'll very likely be
flagged as a potential terrorist and get the full gropedown when you go
through security and may be detained if you cross a border and have to
go through customs. large amounts of cash may even be confiscated.

try buying big ticket items with cash. are you going to carry $1000+
cash everywhere? some places won't even accept cash. 

try disputing something with cash. with a credit card, the charge is
blocked until the merchant resolves it. with cash, the merchant will
say fuck off, i have your money.

if a card is lost or stolen, your liability is $0. if cash is lost or
stolen, you are out the cash and don't expect to see it again.

> I don't understand people who won't carry any cash with them because 
> they're afraid of losing it or being mugged of it. So instead they flash 
> around their $700 iPhone everywhere they go...? Huh?
> 
> Rediscover cash - you'll be glad you did.

so will the muggers.

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#71744

In comp.sys.mac.system nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > Apple's fault or the banks' fault- who cares whose fault it is? 
> 
> because that's who is responsible for fixing it.

Still doesn't matter. If it's broken it's broken. If party A or party B 
is at fault for the breakeage and therefore responsible for the fix, 
it's still broken for me.

> that store is clearly not prepared for outages. i've been in stores
> that have had network outages as well as power outages and all they do
> is pull out the mechanical sliders and carbon paper receipts. it's
> slower but it doesn't shut anything down. at most, they have to find a
> runner to go to the shelf and get the price since it won't show up
> automatically on the cash register.

Ha, with customers with grocery carts with dozens of items in them?
 
> as for cash, try buying airline tickets that way. you'll very likely be
> flagged as a potential terrorist and get the full gropedown when you go
> through security and may be detained if you cross a border and have to
> go through customs. large amounts of cash may even be confiscated.

Cards are indeed useful for that.

 > try buying big ticket items with cash. are you going to carry $1000+
> cash everywhere? some places won't even accept cash. 

Cards are indeed useful for that too. I'm talking about cash as an 
alternative for Apple Pay - which most people use for making small 
puchases which can just as easily and securely be done with cash.
 
> try disputing something with cash. with a credit card, the charge is
> blocked until the merchant resolves it. with cash, the merchant will
> say fuck off, i have your money.

The time to dispute a cash transaction is before handing over the 
cash, because the transaction is settled at that point. There's nothing 
further to dispute, unlike a card purchase that is not settled until 
clearing the bank.

> if a card is lost or stolen, your liability is $0. if cash is lost or
> stolen, you are out the cash and don't expect to see it again.
 
My point is that more and more people are flashing around a $700 iPhone 
because they are afraid of losing or being mugged of $10 cash. 
Everywhere I go people have their $700 iPhones in their hands in plain 
view of the world. Why are people not concerned about being mugged of 
that, but they are worried about losing $10 cash concealed in their 
pocket? I don't get it.

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#71754

""Király"" <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote in message 
news:mek955$jcj$1@dont-email.me...
> In comp.sys.mac.system nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > Apple's fault or the banks' fault- who cares whose fault it is?
>>
>> because that's who is responsible for fixing it.
>
> Still doesn't matter. If it's broken it's broken. If party A or party B
> is at fault for the breakeage and therefore responsible for the fix,
> it's still broken for me.
>
>> that store is clearly not prepared for outages. i've been in stores
>> that have had network outages as well as power outages and all they do
>> is pull out the mechanical sliders and carbon paper receipts. it's
>> slower but it doesn't shut anything down. at most, they have to find a
>> runner to go to the shelf and get the price since it won't show up
>> automatically on the cash register.
>
> Ha, with customers with grocery carts with dozens of items in them?
>
>> as for cash, try buying airline tickets that way. you'll very likely be
>> flagged as a potential terrorist and get the full gropedown when you go
>> through security and may be detained if you cross a border and have to
>> go through customs. large amounts of cash may even be confiscated.
>
> Cards are indeed useful for that.
>
> > try buying big ticket items with cash. are you going to carry $1000+
>> cash everywhere? some places won't even accept cash.
>
> Cards are indeed useful for that too. I'm talking about cash as an
> alternative for Apple Pay - which most people use for making small
> puchases which can just as easily and securely be done with cash.

Nothing even remotely like as easily on ensuring you have enough
cash alone.

>> try disputing something with cash. with a credit card, the charge is
>> blocked until the merchant resolves it. with cash, the merchant will
>> say fuck off, i have your money.
>
> The time to dispute a cash transaction is before handing over the
> cash, because the transaction is settled at that point. There's nothing
> further to dispute,

Wrong when you discover the item is defective when
you get it home and get it out of the blister pack etc

unlike a card purchase that is not settled until
> clearing the bank.
>
>> if a card is lost or stolen, your liability is $0. if cash is lost or
>> stolen, you are out the cash and don't expect to see it again.
>
> My point is that more and more people are flashing around a $700 iPhone
> because they are afraid of losing or being mugged of $10 cash.

No, they have the iphone for other reasons.

> Everywhere I go people have their $700 iPhones in their hands in plain
> view of the world. Why are people not concerned about being mugged of
> that, but they are worried about losing $10 cash concealed in their 
> pocket?

They aren't.

> I don't get it.

You did get that right, likely by accident. 

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#71763

In article <mek955$jcj$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

>  
> > try disputing something with cash. with a credit card, the charge is
> > blocked until the merchant resolves it. with cash, the merchant will
> > say fuck off, i have your money.
> 
> The time to dispute a cash transaction is before handing over the 
> cash, because the transaction is settled at that point. There's nothing 
> further to dispute, unlike a card purchase that is not settled until 
> clearing the bank.

not true. for instance, the product may be defective and you don't find
out until later, or the services rendered were not what was agreed
upon, such as from an auto mechanic or home repair company.

> > if a card is lost or stolen, your liability is $0. if cash is lost or
> > stolen, you are out the cash and don't expect to see it again.
>  
> My point is that more and more people are flashing around a $700 iPhone 
> because they are afraid of losing or being mugged of $10 cash. 

they're not afraid of losing $10 cash.

they want the convenience of not needing to deal with cash and carrying
coins.

> Everywhere I go people have their $700 iPhones in their hands in plain 
> view of the world. Why are people not concerned about being mugged of 
> that, but they are worried about losing $10 cash concealed in their 
> pocket? I don't get it.

true, you do not.

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#71801

On 2015-03-21, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>  
> My point is that more and more people are flashing around a $700 iPhone 
> because they are afraid of losing or being mugged of $10 cash. 

That's certainly not why I own an iPhone. And I don't "flash" it around,
either.

> Everywhere I go people have their $700 iPhones in their hands in plain 
> view of the world. Why are people not concerned about being mugged of 
> that, but they are worried about losing $10 cash concealed in their 
> pocket? I don't get it.

I admit I avoid going out when it's not absolutely necessary and I don't
tend to hang around crowded places just the kill time; but I don't know
or see any of these people you are talking about when I'm out and about.
Where are they all hiding?

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#71810

In article <cn7sv3Fpul6U8@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I admit I avoid going out when it's not absolutely necessary and I don't
> tend to hang around crowded places just the kill time; but I don't know
> or see any of these people you are talking about when I'm out and about.
> Where are they all hiding?

That's being disingenuous. You walk down a street in any city or even 
any small town and see lots of people staring into smartphones, holding 
them to their heads etc. They may not all be $700 phones, but a thief 
would just grab it anyway. On the other hand, theft has dropped 
considerably since the introduction of "kill switches."

Seriously, what little patch of paradise do you inhabit where no one  on 
your streets uses a phone?
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They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
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#71812

On 2015-03-22, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <cn7sv3Fpul6U8@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I admit I avoid going out when it's not absolutely necessary and I don't
>> tend to hang around crowded places just the kill time; but I don't know
>> or see any of these people you are talking about when I'm out and about.
>> Where are they all hiding?
>
> That's being disingenuous.

No it's not.

> You walk down a street in any city or even 
> any small town and see lots of people staring into smartphones, holding 
> them to their heads etc. They may not all be $700 phones, but a thief 
> would just grab it anyway. On the other hand, theft has dropped 
> considerably since the introduction of "kill switches."
>
> Seriously, what little patch of paradise do you inhabit where no one  on 
> your streets uses a phone?

That's not what he said. He said people were flashing around $700
iPhones because they were afraid of being mugged. 

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#71844

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like:
> On 2015-03-21, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>>  
>> My point is that more and more people are flashing around a $700 iPhone 
>> because they are afraid of losing or being mugged of $10 cash. 

> That's certainly not why I own an iPhone. And I don't "flash" it around,
> either.

And a $700 iPhone is entirely useless to anyone but me.

>> Everywhere I go people have their $700 iPhones in their hands in plain 
>> view of the world. Why are people not concerned about being mugged of 
>> that, but they are worried about losing $10 cash concealed in their 
>> pocket? I don't get it.

Because the iPhone cannot be used by anyone but me.

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#71747

On 15-03-21 12:38, nospam wrote:

> that store is clearly not prepared for outages. i've been in stores
> that have had network outages as well as power outages and all they do
> is pull out the mechanical sliders and carbon paper receipts.

Doesn't work for Interac transactions (debit) in Canada.

The chain "The Bay" had such an outage in boxing day. They didn't pull
out any sliders, they just let the lines grow, accepting those with cash
to get to the front.

You need to realise that with the advent of POS terminals, banks may
have set a "authorize all transactions" floor limit of $0. Which means
that the sliders would have to be accompanied with a telephone call to
authorize all transactions. Staff may not even be trained on this since
they were born well after those things stopped being done.

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#71750

Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote
> Apple's fault or the banks' fault- who cares whose fault it is?

> I have rediscovered cash for making purchases

More fool you.

> - it's quick,

Pigs arse it is when the operation you are paying doesn’t have
the change or you don’t have enough cash in your pocket/wallet.

> convenient,

Pigs arse it is when the operation you are paying doesn’t have
the change or you don’t have enough cash in your pocket/wallet.

> secure,

Pigs arse it is. And thief can mug you and steal all your cash.

If someone does that with my card, I don’t lose a thing.

> accepted everywhere,

Pigs arse it is. Try renting a car with cash and see how far you get.

> and it works when the power goes out or the network goes down.

Doesn’t happen often enough to matter and makes no sense to be
farting around with cash with every transaction instead of just having
some cash available for when those uncommon events actually happen.

> I got to go to the front of the line at the grocery
> store because I had cash during a network outage.

You get that result if you only use cash in that situation too.

> Almost nobody else in the store could buy their food.
> They all had dumbfounded, panicked looks on their faces.

Like hell they did, they were just pissed off, not panicked.

> The network outage, which lasted for more than an hour all
> over the city, was the top story on the local news that night.

Makes no sense to be farting around with cash all
the time just because that happened once in 10 years.

> I don't understand people who won't carry any cash with them
> because they're afraid of losing it or being mugged of it.

That isn't the only thing you don’t understand.

> So instead they flash around their $700
> iPhone everywhere they go...? Huh?

Which is covered by their insurance if they do get robbed of it.

> Rediscover cash

No thanks. I still use it for garage/yard sales and the farmer's
market, and which I could just wave the phone instead.

> - you'll be glad you did.

Wrong. 

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#71771

In article <mek5nn$1cj$2@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> Rediscover cash - you'll be glad you did.

Oh, I use cash for small purchases and where I would have to hand my
credit card to the cashier.  Otherwise, I'll use Apple Pay if it's
available or swipe my credit card if Apple Pay is not available.

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#71800

On 2015-03-21, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, but that doesn't help the haters blame Apple. Logic be damned.
>
> Apple's fault or the banks' fault- who cares whose fault it is? 

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if the haters weren't
claiming it's Apple's fault.

> I have rediscovered cash for making purchases - it's quick, convenient, 
> secure, accepted everywhere, and it works when the power goes out or 
> the network goes down. I got to go to the front of the line at the 
> grocery store because I had cash during a network outage. Almost nobody 
> else in the store could buy their food. They all had dumbfounded, 
> panicked looks on their faces. The network outage, which lasted for more 
> than an hour all over the city, was the top story on the local news that 
> night.
>
> I don't understand people who won't carry any cash with them because 
> they're afraid of losing it or being mugged of it. So instead they flash 
> around their $700 iPhone everywhere they go...? Huh?
>
> Rediscover cash - you'll be glad you did.

What makes you think I don't carry cash?

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#71766

On 2015-03-21 11:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <cn4tk1F3eloU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge
>> <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
>>> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to assign
>>> the fault to Apple.
>>
>> it's up to the bank, not apple, to approve or decline a card to be used
>> with applepay.
>>
>> if the thug provides the appropriate information and the bank is
>> satisfied, then there's not much apple can do.
>
> Yeah, but that doesn't help the haters blame Apple. Logic be damned.

Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program 
was a large part of the issue.  That is being widened to improve the 
situation.

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#71805

On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-03-21 11:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <cn4tk1F3eloU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge
>>> <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
>>>> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to assign
>>>> the fault to Apple.
>>>
>>> it's up to the bank, not apple, to approve or decline a card to be used
>>> with applepay.
>>>
>>> if the thug provides the appropriate information and the bank is
>>> satisfied, then there's not much apple can do.
>>
>> Yeah, but that doesn't help the haters blame Apple. Logic be damned.
>
> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program 
> was a large part of the issue.

How do you know that?

> That is being widened to improve the situation.

Based on what?

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#71809

On 2015-03-22 09:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21 11:01, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <cn4tk1F3eloU2@mid.individual.net>, Huge
>>>> <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Given that fraud via Apple Pay is approx 100 times as prevalent as fraud
>>>>> via other channels from the same banks, it seems not unreasonable to assign
>>>>> the fault to Apple.
>>>>
>>>> it's up to the bank, not apple, to approve or decline a card to be used
>>>> with applepay.
>>>>
>>>> if the thug provides the appropriate information and the bank is
>>>> satisfied, then there's not much apple can do.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but that doesn't help the haters blame Apple. Logic be damned.
>>
>> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program
>> was a large part of the issue.
>
> How do you know that?

2 recently posted articles mention it.

>
>> That is being widened to improve the situation.
>
> Based on what?

2 recently posted articles mention it.

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#71811

On 2015-03-22, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-03-22 09:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program
>>> was a large part of the issue.
>>
>> How do you know that?
>
> 2 recently posted articles mention it.

That's not what I asked. Here - I'll spell it out for you: How do you
know that Apple's desire for a narrow submission program was a large
part of the issue? I doubt you can answer this question - not that it
even matters.

The cards in question were Yellow Path cards where the banks in question
knew the information that had been provided did not match bank records.
It was then up to the banks in question to contact customers to use more
scrutiny to verify their identity. Some banks did this well and have low
fraud rates. The banks in question, however, did not do a good job, and
have high fraud rates as a result. Apple Pay users have reported that
different banks use very different procedures and questions for Yellow
Path cards. Some banks only asked for the last four digits of the card
holder's social security number - something that is often readily
available to those who have lists of credit card account numbers (and
other personal info) obtained through illegal means.

>>> That is being widened to improve the situation.
>>
>> Based on what?
>
> 2 recently posted articles mention it.

They mention that they think Apple is providing more information, but
with no references. And you swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.

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#71821

"Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message 
news:cn80tgFpul6U20@mid.individual.net...
> On 2015-03-22, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-22 09:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program
>>>> was a large part of the issue.
>>>
>>> How do you know that?
>>
>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.
>
> That's not what I asked. Here - I'll spell it out for you: How do you
> know that Apple's desire for a narrow submission program was a large
> part of the issue?

It obviously must have been otherwise the fraud rate wouldn’t have
spiked if you had to get your bank to add the card to ApplePay manually.

> The cards in question were Yellow Path cards

You don’t know that.

> where the banks in question knew the information
> that had been provided did not match bank records.

You don’t know that either. ALL you know is that the fraud rate spiked.

That may have been because there doesn’t need to be any physical
card at all and so its easy for anyone to buy a card off the net and
add it to ApplePay and see what they can get away with.

> It was then up to the banks in question to contact
> customers to use more scrutiny to verify their identity.

But when Apple doesn’t give the banks enough information
to cheaply decide which cards that needs to be done with...

Its hardly surprising that some banks took the expensive
approach of verifying them all and some had enough of
a clue and notified all their customers that their card had
been added to ApplePay and plenty of other did nothing.

> Some banks did this well and have low fraud rates. The
> banks in question, however, did not do a good job, and
> have high fraud rates as a result. Apple Pay users have
> reported that different banks use very different procedures
> and questions for Yellow Path cards.

Just as true of all cards.

> Some banks only asked for the last four digits of the card
> holder's social security number - something that is often
> readily available to those who have lists of credit card account
> numbers (and other personal info) obtained through illegal means.

Because that is quite cheap to do and isn't going to piss
the paranoid customers who don’t give their full social
security number to anyone who demands it off and
doesn’t risk exposing those numbers to criminal staff.

>>>> That is being widened to improve the situation.

>>> Based on what?

>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.

> They mention that they think Apple is providing more information,
> but with no references. And you swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.

Nothing was swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Apple never denied that
 

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#71846

On 2015-03-22 10:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-22, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-22 09:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program
>>>> was a large part of the issue.
>>>
>>> How do you know that?
>>
>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.
>
> That's not what I asked. Here - I'll spell it out for you: How do you
> know that Apple's desire for a narrow submission program was a large
> part of the issue? I doubt you can answer this question - not that it
> even matters.
>
> The cards in question were Yellow Path cards where the banks in question
> knew the information that had been provided did not match bank records.
> It was then up to the banks in question to contact customers to use more
> scrutiny to verify their identity. Some banks did this well and have low
> fraud rates. The banks in question, however, did not do a good job, and
> have high fraud rates as a result. Apple Pay users have reported that
> different banks use very different procedures and questions for Yellow
> Path cards. Some banks only asked for the last four digits of the card
> holder's social security number - something that is often readily
> available to those who have lists of credit card account numbers (and
> other personal info) obtained through illegal means.
>
>>>> That is being widened to improve the situation.
>>>
>>> Based on what?
>>
>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.
>
> They mention that they think Apple is providing more information, but
> with no references. And you swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.

Let's see.  Jolly Roger.  Sorkin.

Who do I believe?

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#71850

On 2015-03-22, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-03-22 10:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-03-22, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-22 09:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2015-03-21, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Again (without hatred) Apple's desire for a narrow submission program
>>>>> was a large part of the issue.
>>>>
>>>> How do you know that?
>>>
>>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.
>>
>> That's not what I asked. Here - I'll spell it out for you: How do you
>> know that Apple's desire for a narrow submission program was a large
>> part of the issue? I doubt you can answer this question - not that it
>> even matters.
>>
>> The cards in question were Yellow Path cards where the banks in question
>> knew the information that had been provided did not match bank records.
>> It was then up to the banks in question to contact customers to use more
>> scrutiny to verify their identity. Some banks did this well and have low
>> fraud rates. The banks in question, however, did not do a good job, and
>> have high fraud rates as a result. Apple Pay users have reported that
>> different banks use very different procedures and questions for Yellow
>> Path cards. Some banks only asked for the last four digits of the card
>> holder's social security number - something that is often readily
>> available to those who have lists of credit card account numbers (and
>> other personal info) obtained through illegal means.
>>
>>>>> That is being widened to improve the situation.
>>>>
>>>> Based on what?
>>>
>>> 2 recently posted articles mention it.
>>
>> They mention that they think Apple is providing more information, but
>> with no references. And you swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.
>
> Let's see.  Jolly Roger.  Sorkin.
>
> Who do I believe?

I don't give a rat's ass who you believe as long as you don't spread
opinions you read somewhere on the internet as facts with nothing at all
to back them up.

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#71862

On 15-03-22 19:32, Jolly Roger wrote:

> I don't give a rat's ass who you believe as long as you don't spread
> opinions you read somewhere on the internet as facts with nothing at all
> to back them up.

Except of course for YOUR opinions which you are allowed to state as
facts and nobody is ever allowed to challenge them (and if they do, they
are qualified of trolls, Apple haters etc).

Do you realise you do exactlty as you wish to prohibit all others from
doing ?

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