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  Apple Watch: The Disappointments "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-10 16:29 -0400
    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-03-13 12:08 -0700
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-13 15:57 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-03-13 16:01 -0700
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 09:11 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-14 07:31 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 10:46 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 14:29 -0700
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-14 16:14 -0700
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-15 12:07 +1200
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 17:22 -0700
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-15 15:14 +0000
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:56 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-16 03:19 +0000
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 19:25 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-14 07:52 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 11:01 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 14:26 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 19:24 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 17:24 -0700
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 18:46 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-16 10:56 -0700
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 11:17 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:07 +0000
    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-13 14:48 -0700
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 17:53 -0400
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-13 15:02 -0700
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-14 13:11 +1300
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 20:12 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 02:02 +0000
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:14 -0700
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 18:10 -0400
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 18:18 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-03-13 22:25 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-13 18:31 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-03-13 22:54 +0000
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-13 19:22 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-03-14 08:16 +0000
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-14 05:55 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-14 07:35 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-03-14 14:59 +0000
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 23:48 +0000
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-03-14 09:27 +0000
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-13 18:32 -0700
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-13 19:03 -0700
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-19 14:36 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 17:47 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-03-19 16:39 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-20 13:17 +1200
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 23:46 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 18:53 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 23:46 +0000
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-13 22:10 -0400
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 22:27 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-14 07:13 +0000
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-13 19:33 -0700
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 07:57 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 07:53 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-14 07:33 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 00:10 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 00:50 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-03-14 04:34 -0400
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 08:21 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 06:25 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 09:07 -0400
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 16:33 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 19:10 -0400
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 14:25 -0700
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-03-15 06:32 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-15 09:19 -0400
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-15 07:45 -0700
                        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-15 10:56 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-13 22:12 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-14 01:20 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 01:22 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-14 18:49 +1300
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 08:07 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 08:04 +0000
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 07:50 +0000
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-14 07:44 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-14 14:14 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2015-03-15 07:13 +0100
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 02:22 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-15 15:16 +0000
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-15 12:35 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-15 16:46 +0000
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-15 12:53 -0400
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:38 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-15 19:27 +0000
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 19:10 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-15 19:30 -0400
                          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 00:32 +0000
                            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-03-16 06:18 -0700
                          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 22:11 -0400
                          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 19:58 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 07:01 -0400
                              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-03-16 10:30 -0400
                              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 10:59 +0000
                                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 07:06 -0400
                          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-16 03:22 +0000
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-03-15 14:02 -0400
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:38 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:37 -0700
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-15 19:28 +0000
                        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 13:50 -0700
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2015-03-16 07:20 +0100
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-16 04:28 -0700
                        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 14:47 +0000
                          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-16 20:27 -0400
                        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-16 20:24 -0400
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-15 11:33 -0700
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:37 -0700
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-16 03:21 +0000
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 23:23 -0400
                      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-16 04:35 +0000
                  Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-03-16 12:27 -0400
                    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-17 09:10 +1200
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-15 11:36 -0700
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 18:29 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-13 16:35 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-14 13:04 +1300
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 00:10 +0000
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 07:44 +0000
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 09:17 -0400
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-14 07:49 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 11:00 -0400
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-14 16:15 -0700
                Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-15 12:02 +1200
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-19 14:33 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-03-19 16:36 -0700
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2015-03-20 12:45 +0000
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-14 09:14 -0400
    Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 10:18 -0700
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 17:22 +0000
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 10:30 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 17:37 +0000
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 11:14 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-17 09:16 +1200
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-16 20:36 -0400
            Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:21 -0700
              Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 11:30 -0700
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 11:14 -0700
          Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 18:17 +0000
      Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:02 +0000
        Re: Apple Watch: The Disappointments Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:17 -0700

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#71035

In article <2015031405552863520-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>On 2015-03-14 08:16:42 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>
>> In article <44ydnRHKEfK27J7InZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
>> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <130320152254143630%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <JKednWCljY3M-J7InZ2dnUU7-UOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
>>>> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> (Sorry but I never could lay off a high, hanging rhetorical fastball
>>>>> -grin)
>>>> 
>>>> I have no idea what you are talking about.
>>> 
>>> A high hanging fastball is a bad pitch that is thought to be the 
>>> easiest  to hit out the park.  The set up was just too good to turn 
>>> down.
>> 
>> I still don't know what you are talking about.
>
>Of course you don't. It is a clash of trans-Atlantic cultures and his 
>use of a baseball metaphor to describe you as an easy target.

Well he should know better.

-- 
"Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your 
intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, 
and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. 
I want to know what the evidence shows."             -- Richard Dawkins

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#70994

On 2015-03-13, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <JKednWCljY3M-J7InZ2dnUU7-UOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <130320152225078813%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
>>> anything I need. But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the
>>> most part.
>>
>>So, what you are saying is that you personally thinking it will fail is 
>>a pretty good indicator of success?
>
> Look, I can see (just about) that a smartphone or satnav could be
> useful.

Uh huh. I wish I had been around to see your reaction to smart phones
and navigation systems *before* they were proven successes. Something
tells me you would have predicted their utter failure, just like smart
watches. : )

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#71020

In article <cmhbalF185cU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2015-03-13, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> In article <JKednWCljY3M-J7InZ2dnUU7-UOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
>> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <130320152225078813%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
>>>> anything I need. But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the
>>>> most part.
>>>
>>>So, what you are saying is that you personally thinking it will fail is 
>>>a pretty good indicator of success?
>>
>> Look, I can see (just about) that a smartphone or satnav could be
>> useful.
>
>Uh huh. I wish I had been around to see your reaction to smart phones
>and navigation systems *before* they were proven successes. Something
>tells me you would have predicted their utter failure, just like smart
>watches. : )

Oddly enough you're wrong. In 1999 or so I had a ride in a car that had
satnav built-in. I expected it to be very crude but after 20 mins or so
was very impressed by its general accuracy.

The problem for me is the cost of the built in ones, the lousy audio
quality of the standalone ones, and that apart from one one possible
application I already mentioned, they don't bring very much new to the
table. A technological tour-de-force, yes. But so what.

-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#70999

On 2015-03-13 22:54:14 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> In article <JKednWCljY3M-J7InZ2dnUU7-UOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article <130320152225078813%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
>>> anything I need. But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the
>>> most part.
>> 
>> So, what you are saying is that you personally thinking it will fail is 
>> a pretty good indicator of success?
> 
> Look, I can see (just about) that a smartphone or satnav could be
> useful. I'd be more likely to use a map rather than the latter, at
> least that way there's no danger of me driving off Beachy Head. But a
> satnav could be useful for instance for us when we go to France, in
> navigating a town where we don't know the local geography. We've been
> thinking about that for the last 12 years, and are likely to go on
> thinking about it for the next 12 years too.

Good GPS navigation is great in lots of situations. Being completely 
free of navigation responsibilities makes taking unexpected side tours 
on any trip much easier.


> 
> Smartphone with a camera. Yeah, I could see that to catch shots of
> those bank raids and strafing runs by low-flying communist aircraft
> that are a daily feature of my life, but I really can't be arsed.

Having a camera with you so that you can catch moments of everyday life 
is great!


> 
> Meanwhile, what does little watchy give me. Sod all, near as I can make
> out.
> 
>> (Sorry but I never could lay off a high, hanging rhetorical fastball -grin)
> 
> I have no idea what you are talking about.

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#71000

In article <130320152254143630%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> Meanwhile, what does little watchy give me. Sod all, near as I can make
> out.

The fact that millions of people find smartphones and satnavs very
useful, even though you don't indicates to me that your not being able
to see anything useful for a smartwatch means absolutely nothing.

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#71641

On 2015-03-14 02:03:57 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <130320152254143630%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
>> Meanwhile, what does little watchy give me. Sod all, near as I can make
>> out.
> 
> The fact that millions of people find smartphones and satnavs very
> useful, even though you don't indicates to me that your not being able
> to see anything useful for a smartwatch means absolutely nothing.

If a smartwatch did something by itself other than simply being a 
screen for a phone that's in your POCKET(!) I could see a benefit to 
it.  If this thing was also your cell phone it'd be great.

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#71642

In article <meffga$ka5$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex
<bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> Meanwhile, what does little watchy give me. Sod all, near as I can make
> >> out.
> > 
> > The fact that millions of people find smartphones and satnavs very
> > useful, even though you don't indicates to me that your not being able
> > to see anything useful for a smartwatch means absolutely nothing.
> 
> If a smartwatch did something by itself other than simply being a 
> screen for a phone that's in your POCKET(!) I could see a benefit to 
> it. 

it's much more than a secondary screen.

> If this thing was also your cell phone it'd be great.

it can make calls, although currently via an iphone which can be in
your pocket.

there's not enough room for a sim card in the phone.

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#71647

On 2015-03-19 21:36:59 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:

> On 2015-03-14 02:03:57 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
>> In article <130320152254143630%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Meanwhile, what does little watchy give me. Sod all, near as I can make
>>> out.
>> 
>> The fact that millions of people find smartphones and satnavs very
>> useful, even though you don't indicates to me that your not being able
>> to see anything useful for a smartwatch means absolutely nothing.
> 
> If a smartwatch did something by itself other than simply being a 
> screen for a phone that's in your POCKET(!) I could see a benefit to 
> it.  If this thing was also your cell phone it'd be great.

It's bonus is that it's always there to look at, fixed to your wrist, 
leaving your hands free for other normal tasks.  So you can scratch 
your ass, takes notes in a meeting and STILL be able to monitor the 
vapidity that it is your digital life.  They feel guilty and a little 
reckless fiddling with it while driving and the watch will make them 
feel less reckless--until they wreck their car, of course.

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#71649

In article <meffga$ka5$1@dont-email.me>, Oregonian Haruspex
<bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-14 02:03:57 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> > In article <130320152254143630%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>  
> >> Meanwhile, what does little watchy give me. Sod all, near as I can make
> >> out.
> > 
> > The fact that millions of people find smartphones and satnavs very
> > useful, even though you don't indicates to me that your not being able
> > to see anything useful for a smartwatch means absolutely nothing.
> 
> If a smartwatch did something by itself other than simply being a 
> screen for a phone that's in your POCKET(!) I could see a benefit to 
> it.  If this thing was also your cell phone it'd be great.

It will be able to do things for itself later in the year when Apple
releases Watch Kit to developers to create Apple Watch-only apps. Of
course, it can already do some more minor things by itself.

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#70993

On 2015-03-13, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <130320152225078813%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
>> anything I need. But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the
>> most part.
>
> So, what you are saying is that you personally thinking it will fail is 
> a pretty good indicator of success?  (Sorry but I never could lay off a 
> high, hanging rhetorical fastball -grin)

That's my take on it.

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#70985

In article <130320152225078813%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
> anything I need.

right, because a product's success or failure is entirely a function of
whether you personally need it.

> But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the
> most part.

those are wildly successful products, so therefore you not wanting the
watch means it will be a success.

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#70992

On 2015-03-13, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
> Or I could not get one at all.

You aren't the target demographic, so I'm not sure why you are even
participating in the discussion other than to make a point of notifying
the rest of us that you aren't in the target demographic. Duly noted.
Now you don't need to notify us anymore of this. Just trying to save you
and us some time here. : )

>>> If you forget to charge this every day, all you have is a paperweight...
>>
>>nope. you have a watch that drops into power saver mode and becomes
>>*just* a watch for up to 3 days.
>
> Gosh, three days. Astonishing.

It doesn't need to be astonishing. It's acceptable, which is all that is
needed for a device of this type.

Yes, yes, I know, it's not suitable for little, old you. No need to
remind us again.

>>people are already used to charging phones at night ...
>
> No I'm not. I charge mine about every three or four months. It's
> powered off most of the time.

Ah, so you like to brag as well. Noted.

>>and most people take off their watch to sleep so it's not that
>>big of a deal.
>
> I didn't wear a watch for the better part of 12 years. Then I got one,
> and now have trouble remembering to put it on.

Perhaps even dumb watches aren't for you either then.

> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
> anything I need. But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the
> most part.

Both smart phones and navigation systems are a roaring success by any
measure. So you'll have to excuse the rest of the world for not putting
much faith in your predictions.

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#71001

On 15-03-13 19:46, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You aren't the target demographic,

This applies to many people.

Expectations appear to be different from Apple's planned target demographic.

It is possible that Apple would be quite happy selling only 10 units at
high price while the public was expecting this product to be mass market.

The iPhone had a tremendous evolution, especially when they opened the
App store for it and allowed 3rd party apps that made the iPhone far
more than just a fancy phone that can take pictures.

It is quite possible that for now, the watch thing is to be quite a
niche marklet for the ultra-rich who want to be seen with on, no matter
what it can or cannot do.

Given a year or two to let developpers go nuts on it, they may develop
apps that become "must have" at which point, the watch becomes a "must
have" too.

I do not know how Apple will measure success and how much time it has
given the product line to prove itself

And I do not know if Wall Street Casino Analysts will use Apple's
evaluation of success or if they will decide that because it hasn't sold
a gazillion units and worn by all teenagers in the world, that it is a
resounding failure which should drive AAPL shares down by 75%.


Note: the "virtual SIM" card that Apple is toying with could have
signidficant impacts if it is accepted by carriers. Imagine if the watch
could become a full fledged phone without needing the large space
real-estate of a SIM card holder.

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#71002

In article <550398b1$0$44886$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> It is possible that Apple would be quite happy selling only 10 units at
> high price while the public was expecting this product to be mass market.

no

> The iPhone had a tremendous evolution, especially when they opened the
> App store for it and allowed 3rd party apps that made the iPhone far
> more than just a fancy phone that can take pictures.

the watch already has 3rd party apps although right now they're
limited, but so were the early apps on the iphone.

> It is quite possible that for now, the watch thing is to be quite a
> niche marklet for the ultra-rich who want to be seen with on, no matter
> what it can or cannot do.

the gold one is.

> Given a year or two to let developpers go nuts on it, they may develop
> apps that become "must have" at which point, the watch becomes a "must
> have" too.

sooner than that.

> I do not know how Apple will measure success and how much time it has
> given the product line to prove itself

unlike apple tv, the watch is *not* a hobby.

> And I do not know if Wall Street Casino Analysts will use Apple's
> evaluation of success or if they will decide that because it hasn't sold
> a gazillion units and worn by all teenagers in the world, that it is a
> resounding failure which should drive AAPL shares down by 75%.

the analysts will talk out their ass no matter what happens.

> Note: the "virtual SIM" card that Apple is toying with could have
> signidficant impacts if it is accepted by carriers. Imagine if the watch
> could become a full fledged phone without needing the large space
> real-estate of a SIM card holder.

that is a possibility, as space inside the watch is *very* limited.

however, most people have a phone in their pocket so the watch can ride
on the phone's connection.

this is version 1. remember the first iphone? no 3g, no mms, only
available on at&t, no front camera and a shitty back camera, couldn't
do video (too slow), not  much memory so web pages reloaded a lot,
extremely limited background app functionality and no 3rd party apps at
all. 

it didn't take long to remedy all of that.

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#71010

In article <130320152227584677%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>the watch already has 3rd party apps although right now they're
>limited, but so were the early apps on the iphone.

BTW, in addition to the medical apps that I just posted about in the
iPhone group (that seeming to be the most appropriate place for new
Apple Watch threads), I just noticed a mention on Citi's website of
a "Citi Mobile Lite" app for the Watch so you can view recent credit
card transactions and monitor your available credit.


Patty

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#71003

In article <550398b1$0$44886$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > You aren't the target demographic,
> 
> This applies to many people.
> 
> Expectations appear to be different from Apple's planned target demographic.

That happens in many industries.  When Toyota developed the Scion, the
target market was people in their 20s, but the bulk of the customers
were in their 40s and 50s.

> It is possible that Apple would be quite happy selling only 10 units at
> high price while the public was expecting this product to be mass
> market.

Anything is possible, but I doubt that Apple would be satisfied with
selling only $100K to $170K worth of them, which is what you are
suggesting.

> It is quite possible that for now, the watch thing is to be quite a
> niche marklet for the ultra-rich who want to be seen with on, no matter
> what it can or cannot do.

As I said, anything is possible, but what you are suggesting is highly
improbable.

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#71015

Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
> It is quite possible that for now, the watch thing is to be quite a
> niche marklet for the ultra-rich who want to be seen with on, no matter
> what it can or cannot do.

You're being your usual fucking clueless git self. 

First, no one with any sense is expecting Apple to sell millions of
$10K-17K watches. The vast majority (more than 99%, probably) are going
to be under $1100.

> And I do not know if Wall Street Casino Analysts will use Apple's
> evaluation of success or if they will decide that because it hasn't sold
> a gazillion units and worn by all teenagers in the world, that it is a
> resounding failure which should drive AAPL shares down by 75%.

That would be great, think how many shares Apple could buy back?

(Apple is on pace to become a self-owned company by 2032, IIRC).

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#71014

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> was all, like:
> In article <130320151818125521%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>people are already used to charging phones at night ...

> No I'm not. I charge mine about every three or four months. It's
> powered off most of the time.

You must realize that you are not just an edge case, but way the fuck
out on the tail-end of the bell curve. The vast majority of users charge
their phone at least once a day, and the vast majority of the rest charg
their phones every other day.

> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
> anything I need.

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

> But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the most part.

Oh, well those have both been dismal failures.

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#71029

On 3/13/15   PDT 3:25 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <130320151818125521%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <mdvn7i$ho3$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I can't understand why Apple, who usually are the innovators, didn't
>>> do a better job on this.
>>
>> what do you suggest?
>> you could strap a giant battery to your wrist and get a month's run
>> time but not too many people will be happy with that.
>
> Or I could not get one at all.
>
>>> If you forget to charge this every day, all you have is a paperweight...
>>
>> nope. you have a watch that drops into power saver mode and becomes
>> *just* a watch for up to 3 days.
>
> Gosh, three days. Astonishing.
>
>> people are already used to charging phones at night ...
>
> No I'm not. I charge mine about every three or four months. It's
> powered off most of the time.
>
>> and most people take off their watch to sleep so it's not that
>> big of a deal.
>
> I didn't wear a watch for the better part of 12 years. Then I got one,
> and now have trouble remembering to put it on.
>
> Personally I think this device will fail, because it doesn't give me
> anything I need. But then neither does a smartphone or satnav, for the
> most part.

You're not the target audience. Not a good consumer!

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#71004

On 2015-03-13 22:18:12 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <mdvn7i$ho3$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a Seiko Kinetic that winds itself.  I have another Seiko that
>> charges itself by ambient light sources.
> 
> they don't use anywhere near as much power as a smartwatch does and a
> smartwatch doesn't have anything to wind anyway.
> 
>> I can't understand why Apple, who usually are the innovators, didn't do
>> a better job on this.
> 
> what do you suggest?
> 
> you could strap a giant battery to your wrist and get a month's run
> time but not too many people will be happy with that.
> 
>> If you forget to charge this every day, all you have is a paperweight...
> 
> nope. you have a watch that drops into power saver mode and becomes
> *just* a watch for up to 3 days.
> 
> people are already used to charging phones at night and most people
> take off their watch to sleep so it's not that big of a deal.

It's  big deal to me... and that means I'll never buy this product 
because of it.

And you asked what to I suggest?  Make a friggin' watch that doesn't 
need to charge every 18 hours.
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