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| Started by | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| First post | 2015-03-10 17:48 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-03-16 12:36 -0700 |
| Articles | 8 on this page of 48 — 18 participants |
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CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 17:48 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-10 16:57 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 18:07 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-10 18:26 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-03-10 18:31 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-10 21:41 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-12 01:54 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-12 06:49 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-03-12 08:43 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-12 19:03 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-12 13:22 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 22:30 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-12 23:04 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-13 01:28 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-13 01:28 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-13 01:56 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 02:12 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-12 20:14 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-13 00:30 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 09:11 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 14:00 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-13 16:17 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 21:06 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-14 14:02 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 19:48 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-14 17:02 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2015-03-10 21:12 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 08:44 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-12 19:49 -0500
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 01:14 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Leonard Oglesby <email@domain.com> - 2015-03-12 21:49 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-13 01:58 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 14:02 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-13 18:43 -0500
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-13 08:14 +0100
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 14:03 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-13 07:27 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-13 15:55 +0100
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 15:11 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-14 12:38 +0100
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 12:46 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2015-03-14 23:01 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 08:53 -0700
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 16:01 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 12:20 -0400
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 16:36 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 17:25 +0000
Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-16 12:36 -0700
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 12:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmiotkFbp3tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71021 |
On 2015-03-14, Me myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > The last thing they would do, if they did, to tell you. If I were an Apple employee, I might actually know due to involvement with your so-called project, silly. > Steve Jobs made a secret deal with homeland security. Please tell us more about this supposed "secret deal" between the department of homeland security and Steve Jobs! We're all ears - but understandably not holding our breaths. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 23:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mcmurtrie-5665C7.23014114032015@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #71023 |
In article <cmiotkFbp3tU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-03-14, Me myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > The last thing they would do, if they did, to tell you. > > If I were an Apple employee, I might actually know due to involvement > with your so-called project, silly. > > > Steve Jobs made a secret deal with homeland security. > > Please tell us more about this supposed "secret deal" between the > department of homeland security and Steve Jobs! We're all ears - but > understandably not holding our breaths. That was the NSA, and I wouldn't call it a "deal." It sounds like such absurd fiction that it's easy to forget that the US does have dangerously powerful secret police and secret courts. The Snowden leaks weakened some legal loopholes that NSA and Homeland Security were using, so it's only recently that tech companies have been able to even hint at the government abusing their power. The weakening also allows Apple to move towards client-side encryption so datacenters become more difficult to abuse for mass surveillance. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency> <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/yahoo-nsa-lawsuit-documents -fine-user-data-refusal> The NSA renamed their secret police as Homeland Security, and Homeland Security is currently faking its own budget collapse. There should be a shiny new logo soon. -- I will not see posts from astraweb, theremailer, dizum, or google because they host Usenet flooders.
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| From | Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 08:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <me6u8g$6ap$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71087 |
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 23:01:41 -0700 Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: > That was the NSA, and I wouldn't call it a "deal." It sounds like > such absurd fiction that it's easy to forget that the US does have > dangerously powerful secret police and secret courts. The Snowden Grand Juries are one aspect of the secret courts and there are more secret ones. e.g. where do people think the maps of the sacrifice zones came from? Not just the gov't > leaks weakened some legal loopholes that NSA and Homeland Security > were using, so it's only recently that tech companies have been able > to even hint at the government abusing their power. The weakening > also allows Apple to move towards client-side encryption so > datacenters become more difficult to abuse for mass surveillance. Qwest CEO spent time in prison for refusing to hand over his network to them. Some extremely brave librarians took a stand, along with some very brave lawyers. Kariakou was imprisoned for trying to get the truth out and many more, heck there's a truth-teller that had to take a job at an AAPL store and confronted one of his ex-coworker. > The NSA renamed their secret police as Homeland Security, and > Homeland Security is currently faking its own budget collapse. There > should be a shiny new logo soon. Hadn't thought of that, interesting angle
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 16:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg8mrf.are.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #71021 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Me myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> was all, like: > On 2015-03-13 15:11:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said: >> On 2015-03-13, Me myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>> On 2015-03-13 14:03:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said: >>> >>>> On 2015-03-13, Me myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>>>> On 2015-03-13 00:49:28 +0000, George Kerby said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/10/15 12:48 PM, in article cm8p3oFojh5U2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>>>>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Fuckers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/10/cia-tried-to-crack-security >>>>>>> -of-apple-devices> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's your Government. And everybody thought Bush was threatening our Civil >>>>>> Rights. >>>>>> >>>>>> DOWN BOY!!! I KNOW you are gonna call me some disrespectful adjective nouns >>>>>> and such - but just stop and think about where we are now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Back to our regular programming... >>>>> >>>>> My guess is that Apple is all too willing to provide backdoors for NSA. >>>> >>>> You'd be wrong. >>> >>> You work for Apple, I assume? >> >> If I did, I wouldn't tell you. : ) I will tell you I have coworkers, >> friends, and relatives who work with and for Apple, and know enough >> about Apple culture to know the last thing they will do is provide back >> door access to anyone. > The last thing they would do, if they did, to tell you. > Steve Jobs made a secret deal with homeland security. That's libelous and has no basis in fact. -- http://2blog.kreme.com I presume you're mortal, and may err.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 12:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130320151220297764%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #70966 |
In article <5502fa72$0$3056$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl>, Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> My guess is that Apple is all too willing to provide backdoors for NSA. > > > > You'd be wrong. > > You work for Apple, I assume? tim cook works for apple and has said they do not and will not give them backdoors. they do comply with an nsl (they have to) but there's not much information can offer since with ios 8, there's basically no way to crack the encryption.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 16:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmgi09FmctlU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70968 |
On 2015-03-13, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <5502fa72$0$3056$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl>, Me, > myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> >> My guess is that Apple is all too willing to provide backdoors for NSA. >> > >> > You'd be wrong. >> >> You work for Apple, I assume? > > tim cook works for apple and has said they do not and will not give > them backdoors. And if you won't take his word for it, I doubt you'd take any other employee's word for it. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg67dc.17b.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #70958 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Me myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> was all, like: > On 2015-03-13 00:49:28 +0000, George Kerby said: >> On 3/10/15 12:48 PM, in article cm8p3oFojh5U2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> Fuckers. >>> >>> <http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/10/cia-tried-to-crack-security >>> -of-apple-devices> >> >> That's your Government. And everybody thought Bush was threatening our Civil >> Rights. >> >> DOWN BOY!!! I KNOW you are gonna call me some disrespectful adjective nouns >> and such - but just stop and think about where we are now. >> >> Back to our regular programming... > My guess is that Apple is all too willing to provide backdoors for NSA. You're an idiot. -- http://2blog.kreme.com Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.
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| From | tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 12:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <me7b9l$1c7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70970 |
On 3/13/15 10:25 AM, Lewis wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Me myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> was all, like: >> On 2015-03-13 00:49:28 +0000, George Kerby said: > >>> On 3/10/15 12:48 PM, in article cm8p3oFojh5U2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly >>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Fuckers. >>>> >>>> <http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/10/cia-tried-to-crack-security >>>> -of-apple-devices> >>> >>> That's your Government. And everybody thought Bush was threatening our Civil >>> Rights. >>> >>> DOWN BOY!!! I KNOW you are gonna call me some disrespectful adjective nouns >>> and such - but just stop and think about where we are now. >>> >>> Back to our regular programming... > >> My guess is that Apple is all too willing to provide backdoors for NSA. > > You're an idiot. > > Don't insult idiots like that.. -- "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
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