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  Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-03 15:17 +0000
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-03 08:52 -0800
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-03 12:24 -0500
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-03 19:08 -0500
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 01:39 +0000
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-04 08:03 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 15:57 +0000
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app android <here@there.was> - 2015-03-04 18:42 +0100
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 17:48 +0000
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app android <here@there.was> - 2015-03-04 19:03 +0100
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-04 19:38 -0600
                  Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 02:26 +0000
                  Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-05 20:02 +0000
                    X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-05 15:53 -0600
                      Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-05 19:24 -0500
                        Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-05 20:01 -0600
                          Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-06 10:11 -0500
                      Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-06 13:05 -0400
                        Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 13:17 -0400
                        Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-07 20:56 +0000
                          Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 18:13 -0400
                            Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-05-07 17:43 -0500
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 23:30 -0400
                                Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-08 13:11 -0400
                                  Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-08 18:18 +0000
                                    Re: iPhoto on Yosemite (was X-Posts and Followup-To) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-10 13:20 +1200
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-08 18:17 +0000
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-09 13:52 -0400
                            Re: X-Posts and Followup-To dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-08 11:54 +1200
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 23:37 -0400
                                Re: iPhoto on Yosemite (was X-Posts and Followup-To) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-10 13:20 +1200
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:45 -0500
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 18:49 +0000
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 03:55 +0000
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-04 05:07 +0000
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-04 08:04 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-05 03:46 +1300
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:44 -0500
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 14:48 +0000
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 09:57 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 15:59 +0000
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:46 -0500
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 14:49 +0000
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 09:58 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 03:52 +0000
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 22:00 -0500
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-04 05:03 +0000
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 16:01 +0000
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 03:54 +0000
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-04 23:44 -0500
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-05 20:54 +1300
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:48 -0500
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-03-04 07:56 +0100
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-04 02:40 -0500
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 16:01 +0000

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#75077 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

On 15-05-07 16:56, Lewis wrote:

> Because iPhoto 8.1 is years out of date, having been release about 5
> years ago.

But Snow Leopard to Yosemite upgrades are supported.  And iPhonto 09
worked find on Yosemine 10.10.1 it is at .3 where Apple disabled the
ability to launch it. I suspect it has far mroe to do with it being
incompatible with Photos than the inability to run on 10.10.3

Is there some plist on the system which lists the Apps that Apple has
chosen to disable ?  Removing the Snow Leppard server managtement tools
 from that list would be a great help for me.

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#75081 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

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 in article <554be38e$0$64044$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>, 
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-05-07 16:56, Lewis wrote:

>> Because iPhoto 8.1 is years out of date, having been release about 
>> 5 years ago.

> But Snow Leopard to Yosemite upgrades are supported.  And iPhonto 09 
> worked find on Yosemine 10.10.1 it is at .3 where Apple disabled the 
> ability to launch it. I suspect it has far mroe to do with it being 
> incompatible with Photos than the inability to run on 10.10.3

> Is there some plist on the system which lists the Apps that Apple 
> has chosen to disable ?  Removing the Snow Leppard server 
> managtement tools from that list would be a great help for me.

Actually, iPhoto launches and runs just fine, under OS X 10.10.3, at 
least for me.  You cannot, read an iPhoto library, after it's been 
converted to a Photos library.

The first time I launched Photos, it _asked_ whether I wanted to import 
my old iPhoto library (or libraries).  I had two; I converted one.  
The library which was not converted can used with both iPhoto and 
Aperture.

Recall, when Photos asked you whether you wanted to convert your 
previous library, it also warned it would no long be usable with 
iTunes or Aperture, once the conversion was applied.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#75110 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

On 15-05-07 18:43, David Ritz wrote:

> Actually, iPhoto launches and runs just fine, under OS X 10.10.3, at 
> least for me.  You cannot, read an iPhoto library, after it's been 
> converted to a Photos library.

I tried to launch iPhone 09 first. It refused. Then I launched Photo and
it didn't warn me about a one-way conversion, just prompted me to
"setup" as if it was a naked install. But when I clicked, it then
proceeded to huff and puff to import the iphoto library (took some time).

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#75149 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

So I checked on my laptop. iPhotos was upgraded in November (likely when
I upgraded the laptop from SL to Yosemite).

The App store says that iPhotos is up to date (OPEN button instead of
UPDATE). Yet, Yosemite 10.10.3 refuses to let me open it saying it isn't
compatible with Yosemite. (it worked at 10.10.1)

While it is no big deal for the laptop, this has some serious migration
issues if I decide to move my desktop to yosemite. I'll have to do much
more playing with Photos on laptop to see if this is usable as a photo
store and if I can edit images with Photoshop from it as I can with
iPhoto. The lack of ability to drag photos to Mail or Twitter is a real
drag. Wondering if I should just go with Bridge (or Lightroom since it
is available for Yosemite, not for Snow Leopard).

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#75151 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

In message <554cee34$0$2944$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> So I checked on my laptop. iPhotos was upgraded in November (likely when
> I upgraded the laptop from SL to Yosemite).

> The App store says that iPhotos is up to date (OPEN button instead of
> UPDATE). Yet, Yosemite 10.10.3 refuses to let me open it saying it isn't
> compatible with Yosemite. (it worked at 10.10.1)

Delete iPhoto, redownload from App Store. 

Again, the current version of iPhoto works fine under 10.10.3.

-- 
Nothing gold can stay -- Robert Frost Stay gold -- Johnny Cade

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#75240 — Re: iPhoto on Yosemite (was X-Posts and Followup-To)

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <554cee34$0$2944$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com> 
>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > So I checked on my laptop. iPhotos was upgraded in November (likely when
> > I upgraded the laptop from SL to Yosemite).
> > 
> > The App store says that iPhotos is up to date (OPEN button instead of
> > UPDATE). Yet, Yosemite 10.10.3 refuses to let me open it saying it isn't
> > compatible with Yosemite. (it worked at 10.10.1)

Apple finally got around to enforcing the minimum requirement of iPhoto
9.6.1 for Yosemite. Earlier major versions (e.g. 8.x) may work to some
extent, but some aspects would have been broken, or features Apple
regarded as important would have been missing.

> Delete iPhoto, redownload from App Store. 

I tried that method yesterday while helping someone, and it failed. When
I clicked the INSTALL button, App Store paused briefly then said "This
item is temporarily unavailable".

I had successfully installed iPhoto 9.6.1 the previous evening on a
Yosemite YM, using my own Apple ID. In that case, there was no copy of
iPhoto previously installed on the computer. Just now I tried it on a
Mountain Lion VM (again with my Apple ID and no previous copy of iPhoto)
and it also worked, offering to download an older version (9.4.3).

In the case where it failed, a quick search on the error message
suggested others had encountered this issue due to something specific to
their Apple ID, potentially requiring contact with Apple Support to fix
it. This person had recently made a major change to their Apple ID
(under someone else's guidance), including changing the associated email
address, which changed the Apple ID itself (from the general form
abc@xtra.co.nz to xyz@gmail.com).

I check the iTunes purchase history using the new form of the Apple ID
and it showed purchases dating back several years (while the old form of
the Apple ID was in use) so it appears to have just renamed the existing
Apple ID. iPhoto was in the purchase history, in early 2014.

We had time constraints so I didn't investigate further, and the person
ended up sticking with Photos once I'd gone over the major changes.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#75154 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

In message <alpine.OSX.2.20.1505071728500.19276@mako.ath.cx> 
  David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 07 May 2015 18:13 -0400, 
>  in article <554be38e$0$64044$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>, 
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> On 15-05-07 16:56, Lewis wrote:

>>> Because iPhoto 8.1 is years out of date, having been release about 
>>> 5 years ago.

>> But Snow Leopard to Yosemite upgrades are supported.  And iPhonto 09 
>> worked find on Yosemine 10.10.1 it is at .3 where Apple disabled the 
>> ability to launch it. I suspect it has far mroe to do with it being 
>> incompatible with Photos than the inability to run on 10.10.3

>> Is there some plist on the system which lists the Apps that Apple 
>> has chosen to disable ?  Removing the Snow Leppard server 
>> managtement tools from that list would be a great help for me.

> Actually, iPhoto launches and runs just fine, under OS X 10.10.3, at 
> least for me.

Not iPhoto 8.1.

> You cannot, read an iPhoto library, after it's been 
> converted to a Photos library.

Yes you can. I still have my iPhoto library sitting alongside my Photos
library. And I can still access it with iPhoto.

> Recall, when Photos asked you whether you wanted to convert your 
> previous library, it also warned it would no long be usable with 
> iTunes or Aperture, once the conversion was applied.

Nope. It said changes you made in iPhoto would not be reflected in
Photos.

-- 
One of the universal rules of happiness is: always be wary of any
helpful item that weighs less than its operating manual. --Jingo

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#75205 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

On 15-05-07 18:43, David Ritz wrote:

> Actually, iPhoto launches and runs just fine, under OS X 10.10.3, at 
> least for me.  You cannot, read an iPhoto library, after it's been 
> converted to a Photos library.


I heeded the sugestion. Deleted iPhoto.app (which took some time). App
store then offered it to me as "install" from the purchased section and
then iPhoto.App worked. It did allow me to use the photo library that
was converted to that new one with a warning that changes made in iPhoto
would not be reflected in Photos.

My plan is likely to just zap the photo library alltogether. Start a new
iPhoto one, and import only pictures I need to remove any leftovers from
the full library. (Only keep a subset on my laptop).

Obviously, that strategy won't work when/if I upgrade my desktop Mac to
Yosemite since it holds my full iphoto library.

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#75092 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-05-07 16:56, Lewis wrote:
> 
> > Because iPhoto 8.1 is years out of date, having been release about 5
> > years ago.
> 
> But Snow Leopard to Yosemite upgrades are supported.  And iPhonto 09
> worked find on Yosemine 10.10.1 it is at .3 where Apple disabled the
> ability to launch it. I suspect it has far mroe to do with it being
> incompatible with Photos than the inability to run on 10.10.3

The Yosemite-compatible update of iPhoto '11 changed the library format
somewhat, and required a separate conversion utility to deal with older
versions of iPhoto than yours. Perhaps Photos only supports importing
the Yosemite iPhoto '11 library, and doesn't handle older versions well?

If you already have iPhoto in your App Store "Purchased" list, then you
should be able to get the Yosemite-compatible iPhoto '11 (version 9.6.1)
by deleting your iPhoto application, and downloading a fresh copy from
App Store > Purchased.

That may be able to deal better with converting your iPhoto 8.x library.

The problem you noted with empty albums reappearing may have been some
lingering corruption in your iPhoto library, if it wasn't a
compatibility issue.

> Is there some plist on the system which lists the Apps that Apple has
> chosen to disable ?  Removing the Snow Leppard server managtement tools
>  from that list would be a great help for me.

Why bother? They almost certainly won't work even if you managed to hack
the system or the applications enough to get around the version checks.

As I've told you at least twice already, if you want to run those admin
tools on a later system, get another copy of Snow Leopard Server and run
it in a VM.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#75111 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To

On 15-05-07 19:54, David Empson wrote:

> If you already have iPhoto in your App Store "Purchased" list,

iPhoto 09 predates the App Store. However, App Store does show it as
being "purchased".  Won't download n Snow Leopard, but would be offered
on 10.10 according to App Store.

I guess I could zap all photos on my laptop, get the updated iPhoto app
amnd then bring relevant albums via USB key to the laptop to build a new
iPhoto library from scratch and never use Photos.

But since even with iPhoto 09, it was simpler to transfer photos via USB
key (export and then import), doesn't make much difference if laptop has
iPhoto or Photos.

I'll have to do a bit more playing around Photos to see what it is like.
So far, the "info" pane seems very small and not sure comments are
really visible. Will have to investigate.

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#75242 — Re: iPhoto on Yosemite (was X-Posts and Followup-To)

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-05-07 19:54, David Empson wrote:
> 
> > If you already have iPhoto in your App Store "Purchased" list,
> 
> iPhoto 09 predates the App Store. However, App Store does show it as
> being "purchased".  Won't download n Snow Leopard, but would be offered
> on 10.10 according to App Store.

Just tested: Mountain Lion and Yosemite can still install iPhoto if you
have it on your "Purchases" list in App Store, and there is no copy of
iPhoto on the computer (you would need to delete an older version
first).

Mountain Lion offers to download an older version, and ends up with
iPhoto 9.4.3. Yosemite gets iPhoto 9.6.1. I didn't test Mavericks but I
expect it would also offer to download an older version and would end up
with iPhoto 9.6.

Lion and Snow Leopard cannot download iPhoto from App Store via the
Purhases list. They get an error message about iPhoto requiring OS X
10.10.

The "download a compatible older version" mechanism arrived during
Mountain Lion, so I expect the issue is either that this mechanism was
not retrofitted to the Lion and Snow Leopard versions of App Store, or
that Apple has not made the Lion and Snow Leoapard compatible versions
of iPhoto 9.x available via this mechanism.

Even if you were to get iPhoto 9.x on Snow Leopard (e.g. installed from
an iLife '11 DVD), it wouldn't help with your desire to have a clonable
library between Snow Leopard and Yosemite, because the iPhoto 9.x
library format changed more than once in updates of iPhoto which only
ran on Mountain Lion and later.

> I guess I could zap all photos on my laptop, get the updated iPhoto app
> amnd then bring relevant albums via USB key to the laptop to build a new
> iPhoto library from scratch and never use Photos.
> 
> But since even with iPhoto 09, it was simpler to transfer photos via USB
> key (export and then import), doesn't make much difference if laptop has
> iPhoto or Photos.

For now, iPhoto will be more familiar to you.

Long term, iPhoto is deprecated and if you keep updating the operating
system on the laptop, it will probably stop working at some point.
Photos will be supported going forward, so it is probably a good idea to
get used to it, unless you are going to completely stop using Apple's
photo management software.

> I'll have to do a bit more playing around Photos to see what it is like.
> So far, the "info" pane seems very small and not sure comments are
> really visible. Will have to investigate.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#70503

On 2015.03.04 10:57 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.03.03 20:39 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>>>
>>> Is that frowned upon or something?
>>
>> It's strange.
>
> Maybe. Usenet etiquette (and my news client) encourages using the
> Followup-to header when posting to multiple groups to limit followup
> postings to the single most relevant group.
>
> <http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/Usenet.html>
> <http://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html>
> ...etc...
>
>  From RFC 1036:
>
> "2.2.3.  Followup-To
>
>      This line has the same format as "Newsgroups".  If present, follow-
>      up messages are to be posted to the newsgroup or newsgroups listed
>      here.  If this line is not present, follow-ups are posted to the
>      newsgroup or newsgroups listed in the "Newsgroups" line."
>
> In this case, my news client suggested the header and I figured since
> the announcement was mainly about the Mac OS X operating system, I'd
> oblige and set the Followup-to header to comp.sys.mac.system, which
> amounted to me pressing the Return key on my keyboard. It's simple
> enough for anyone reading to see that's where follow-up posts will go. I
> suppose it could be argued that since both groups are technically
> relevant, one could omit the header. I don't see that it makes all that
> much difference either way, though. And I tend to err on the side of
> caution if possible - when it occurs to me, anyway. : )


Since it was an OS announce with an app included it was appropriately 
x-posted and should have stayed so, IMO.


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#70536

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
> Since it was an OS announce with an app included it was appropriately 
> x-posted and should have stayed so, IMO.

You can stop repeating your (incorrect) opinion on this. We all know
what your (incorrect) opinion is on the subject. Repeating it will not
make you any more correct.

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#70477

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
> On 2015.03.03 20:39 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>>
>> Is that frowned upon or something?

> It's strange.

No it's not.



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#70428

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> <snipped>

> You x-post and then set followup to one group.

Yes. That is the proper way to crosspost.

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what was supposed to be so special about a full moon? It was only a big
circle of light. And the dark of the moon was only darkness. But
half-way between the two, when the moon was between the worlds of light
and dark, when even the moon lived on the edge... maybe then a witch
could believe in the moon. --Witches Abroad

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#70437

On 2015.03.04 00:07 , Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> <snipped>
>
>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>
> Yes. That is the proper way to crosspost.

Cite the rule please.


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#70438

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2015.03.04 00:07 , Lewis wrote:
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron
> > .ca> was all, like:
> >> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> >> <snipped>
> >
> >> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
> >
> > Yes. That is the proper way to crosspost.
> 
> Cite the rule please.

Netiquette. If a message is somewhat relevant to one group, but more
relevant to another, it is reasonable (and used to be common practice)
to crosspost to both groups, with followups set to the more relevant
one.

This case seemed fine to me. The OP was about an update of OS X, but
also mentioned the application Photos which is a new feature of 10.10.3.

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David Empson
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#70502

On 2015.03.04 09:46 , David Empson wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2015.03.04 00:07 , Lewis wrote:
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron
>>> .ca> was all, like:
>>>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>>>
>>> Yes. That is the proper way to crosspost.
>>
>> Cite the rule please.
>
> Netiquette. If a message is somewhat relevant to one group, but more
> relevant to another, it is reasonable (and used to be common practice)
> to crosspost to both groups, with followups set to the more relevant
> one.
>
> This case seemed fine to me. The OP was about an update of OS X, but
> also mentioned the application Photos which is a new feature of 10.10.3.

It's a beta OS release with an app cited.  X-posted for good reason and 
should have remained so, IMO.


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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#70510

On 2015-03-05, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.03.04 09:46 , David Empson wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015.03.04 00:07 , Lewis wrote:
>>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron
>>>> .ca> was all, like:
>>>>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. That is the proper way to crosspost.
>>>
>>> Cite the rule please.
>>
>> Netiquette. If a message is somewhat relevant to one group, but more
>> relevant to another, it is reasonable (and used to be common practice)
>> to crosspost to both groups, with followups set to the more relevant
>> one.
>>
>> This case seemed fine to me. The OP was about an update of OS X, but
>> also mentioned the application Photos which is a new feature of 10.10.3.
>
> It's a beta OS release with an app cited.  X-posted for good reason and 
> should have remained so, IMO.

Meh. I made the post, and I decided how it was posted. Feel free to make
your own! Freedom is lovely! : )

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#70516

On 2015.03.05 09:48 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-05, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.03.04 09:46 , David Empson wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015.03.04 00:07 , Lewis wrote:
>>>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron
>>>>> .ca> was all, like:
>>>>>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. That is the proper way to crosspost.
>>>>
>>>> Cite the rule please.
>>>
>>> Netiquette. If a message is somewhat relevant to one group, but more
>>> relevant to another, it is reasonable (and used to be common practice)
>>> to crosspost to both groups, with followups set to the more relevant
>>> one.
>>>
>>> This case seemed fine to me. The OP was about an update of OS X, but
>>> also mentioned the application Photos which is a new feature of 10.10.3.
>>
>> It's a beta OS release with an app cited.  X-posted for good reason and
>> should have remained so, IMO.
>
> Meh. I made the post, and I decided how it was posted. Feel free to make
> your own! Freedom is lovely! : )

Overrated.  I mean you have to make decisions and take responsibility 
for your actions.  A nanny-state is much better.  You know you're being 
taken care of and somebody is selflessly making the best decisions for 
your well being.

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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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