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  Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-03 15:17 +0000
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-03 08:52 -0800
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-03 12:24 -0500
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-03 19:08 -0500
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 01:39 +0000
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-04 08:03 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 15:57 +0000
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app android <here@there.was> - 2015-03-04 18:42 +0100
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 17:48 +0000
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app android <here@there.was> - 2015-03-04 19:03 +0100
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-04 19:38 -0600
                  Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 02:26 +0000
                  Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-03-05 20:02 +0000
                    X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-05 15:53 -0600
                      Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-05 19:24 -0500
                        Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-05 20:01 -0600
                          Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-06 10:11 -0500
                      Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-06 13:05 -0400
                        Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 13:17 -0400
                        Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-07 20:56 +0000
                          Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 18:13 -0400
                            Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-05-07 17:43 -0500
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 23:30 -0400
                                Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-08 13:11 -0400
                                  Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-08 18:18 +0000
                                    Re: iPhoto on Yosemite (was X-Posts and Followup-To) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-10 13:20 +1200
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-08 18:17 +0000
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-09 13:52 -0400
                            Re: X-Posts and Followup-To dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-08 11:54 +1200
                              Re: X-Posts and Followup-To JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-07 23:37 -0400
                                Re: iPhoto on Yosemite (was X-Posts and Followup-To) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-10 13:20 +1200
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:45 -0500
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 18:49 +0000
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 03:55 +0000
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-04 05:07 +0000
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-04 08:04 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-05 03:46 +1300
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:44 -0500
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 14:48 +0000
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 09:57 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 15:59 +0000
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:46 -0500
              Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-05 14:49 +0000
                Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 09:58 -0500
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 03:52 +0000
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 22:00 -0500
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-04 05:03 +0000
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 16:01 +0000
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-05 03:54 +0000
          Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-04 23:44 -0500
            Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-05 20:54 +1300
        Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:48 -0500
    Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-03-04 07:56 +0100
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-04 02:40 -0500
      Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-04 16:01 +0000

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#70404 — Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app

If you're feeling adventurous and have a system you don't mind erasing
if things go South, you can download the Mac OS X 10.10.3 beta (which
includes the new iPhoto replacement app, Photos) from the App Store to
try it out for yourself.

"Apple advises that users install the beta software on a system or
partition that they are prepared to erase if necessary. Users are also
told to always back up their Mac when using beta software."

<http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/03/02/apple-releases-public-beta-of-os-x-10103-gives-the-masses-a-first-taste-of-new-photos-app>

Personally, I'll probably just wait for the official release.

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#70405

On 3/3/15 7:17 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> If you're feeling adventurous and have a system you don't mind erasing
> if things go South, you can download the Mac OS X 10.10.3 beta (which
> includes the new iPhoto replacement app, Photos) from the App Store to
> try it out for yourself.
>
> "Apple advises that users install the beta software on a system or
> partition that they are prepared to erase if necessary. Users are also
> told to always back up their Mac when using beta software."
>
> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/03/02/apple-releases-public-beta-of-os-x-10103-gives-the-masses-a-first-taste-of-new-photos-app>
>
> Personally, I'll probably just wait for the official release.
>

I guess one could always stuff it in a VM to play with it a bit..

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#70407

On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:

> Personally, I'll probably just wait for the official release.

Yep.

-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

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#70419

On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
<snipped>

You x-post and then set followup to one group.


-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#70424

On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
><snipped>
>
> You x-post and then set followup to one group.

Is that frowned upon or something?

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#70436

On 2015.03.03 20:39 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> <snipped>
>>
>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>
> Is that frowned upon or something?

It's strange.


-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#70439

On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.03.03 20:39 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>>
>> Is that frowned upon or something?
>
> It's strange.

Maybe. Usenet etiquette (and my news client) encourages using the
Followup-to header when posting to multiple groups to limit followup
postings to the single most relevant group. 

<http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/Usenet.html>
<http://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html>
...etc...

From RFC 1036:

"2.2.3.  Followup-To

    This line has the same format as "Newsgroups".  If present, follow-
    up messages are to be posted to the newsgroup or newsgroups listed
    here.  If this line is not present, follow-ups are posted to the
    newsgroup or newsgroups listed in the "Newsgroups" line."

In this case, my news client suggested the header and I figured since
the announcement was mainly about the Mac OS X operating system, I'd
oblige and set the Followup-to header to comp.sys.mac.system, which
amounted to me pressing the Return key on my keyboard. It's simple
enough for anyone reading to see that's where follow-up posts will go. I
suppose it could be argued that since both groups are technically
relevant, one could omit the header. I don't see that it makes all that
much difference either way, though. And I tend to err on the side of
caution if possible - when it occurs to me, anyway. : ) 

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/sosumi/>

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#70453

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> Wrote in message:
> On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.03.03 20:39 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-04, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2015.03.03 10:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>> You x-post and then set followup to one group.
>>>
>>> Is that frowned upon or something?
>>
>> It's strange.
> 
> Maybe. Usenet etiquette (and my news client) encourages using the
> Followup-to header when posting to multiple groups to limit followup
> postings to the single most relevant group. 
> 
> <http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/Usenet.html>
> <http://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html>
> ...etc...
> 
> From RFC 1036:
> 
> "2.2.3.  Followup-To
> 
>     This line has the same format as "Newsgroups".  If present, follow-
>     up messages are to be posted to the newsgroup or newsgroups listed
>     here.  If this line is not present, follow-ups are posted to the
>     newsgroup or newsgroups listed in the "Newsgroups" line."
> 
> In this case, my news client suggested the header and I figured since
> the announcement was mainly about the Mac OS X operating system, I'd
> oblige and set the Followup-to header to comp.sys.mac.system, which
> amounted to me pressing the Return key on my keyboard. It's simple
> enough for anyone reading to see that's where follow-up posts will go. I
> suppose it could be argued that since both groups are technically
> relevant, one could omit the header. I don't see that it makes all that
> much difference either way, though. And I tend to err on the side of
> caution if possible - when it occurs to me, anyway. : ) 
> 
> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/sosumi/>
> 
I really don't think that this is common practice. And that that's
 a good thing. If an article is posted to group A and B with
 follow up set to A only and is commented by poster in B who don't
 subscribe to A then s/he would not se that reply or any to his or
 her own... Weirdnes!
-- 
Bats can't tell us apart!



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#70454

On 2015-03-04, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> Wrote in message:
>> 
>> Maybe. Usenet etiquette (and my news client) encourages using the
>> Followup-to header when posting to multiple groups to limit followup
>> postings to the single most relevant group. 
>> 
>> <http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/Usenet.html>
>> <http://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html>
>> ...etc...
>> 
>> From RFC 1036:
>> 
>> "2.2.3.  Followup-To
>> 
>>     This line has the same format as "Newsgroups".  If present, follow-
>>     up messages are to be posted to the newsgroup or newsgroups listed
>>     here.  If this line is not present, follow-ups are posted to the
>>     newsgroup or newsgroups listed in the "Newsgroups" line."
>> 
>> In this case, my news client suggested the header and I figured since
>> the announcement was mainly about the Mac OS X operating system, I'd
>> oblige and set the Followup-to header to comp.sys.mac.system, which
>> amounted to me pressing the Return key on my keyboard. It's simple
>> enough for anyone reading to see that's where follow-up posts will go. I
>> suppose it could be argued that since both groups are technically
>> relevant, one could omit the header. I don't see that it makes all that
>> much difference either way, though. And I tend to err on the side of
>> caution if possible - when it occurs to me, anyway. : ) 
>> 
>> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/sosumi/>
>> 
> I really don't think that this is common practice. And that that's a
> good thing. 

Well we can certainly disagree about this. : )

> If an article is posted to group A and B with follow up set to A only
> and is commented by poster in B who don't subscribe to A then s/he
> would not se that reply or any to his or her own... Weirdnes!

It's still good etiquette. And users are in full control over where they
post. It's just not as big a deal as some would make it out to be. 

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#70455

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> Wrote in message:
> On 2015-03-04, android <here@there.was> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> Wrote in message:
>>> 
>>> Maybe. Usenet etiquette (and my news client) encourages using the
>>> Followup-to header when posting to multiple groups to limit followup
>>> postings to the single most relevant group. 
>>> 
>>> <http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/Usenet.html>
>>> <http://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html>
>>> ...etc...
>>> 
>>> From RFC 1036:
>>> 
>>> "2.2.3.  Followup-To
>>> 
>>>     This line has the same format as "Newsgroups".  If present, follow-
>>>     up messages are to be posted to the newsgroup or newsgroups listed
>>>     here.  If this line is not present, follow-ups are posted to the
>>>     newsgroup or newsgroups listed in the "Newsgroups" line."
>>> 
>>> In this case, my news client suggested the header and I figured since
>>> the announcement was mainly about the Mac OS X operating system, I'd
>>> oblige and set the Followup-to header to comp.sys.mac.system, which
>>> amounted to me pressing the Return key on my keyboard. It's simple
>>> enough for anyone reading to see that's where follow-up posts will go. I
>>> suppose it could be argued that since both groups are technically
>>> relevant, one could omit the header. I don't see that it makes all that
>>> much difference either way, though. And I tend to err on the side of
>>> caution if possible - when it occurs to me, anyway. : ) 
>>> 
>>> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/sosumi/>
>>> 
>> I really don't think that this is common practice. And that that's a
>> good thing. 
> 
> Well we can certainly disagree about this. : )
> 
>> If an article is posted to group A and B with follow up set to A only
>> and is commented by poster in B who don't subscribe to A then s/he
>> would not se that reply or any to his or her own... Weirdnes!
> 
> It's still good etiquette. And users are in full control over where they
> post. It's just not as big a deal as some would make it out to be. 
> 
It might be ?good netiquette? or not. The document that you refer
 to is not trying to impose it on the user. The default is that
 follow ups are posted to all groups. And that is a good and by
 the user expected behavior.
-- 
Bats can't tell us apart!


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#70468

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On Wednesday, 04 March 2015 17:48 -0000, 
 in article <clousbFlcpuU1@mid.individual.net>, 
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-03-04, android <here@there.was> wrote:

>> If an article is posted to group A and B with follow up set to A 
>> only and is commented by poster in B who don't subscribe to A then 
>> s/he would not se that reply or any to his or her own... Weirdnes!

Hardly.

> It's still good etiquette. And users are in full control over where 
> they post. It's just not as big a deal as some would make it out to 
> be.

When I set a Followup-To, I'll point it out in the message body.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#70469

On 2015-03-05, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 04 March 2015 17:48 -0000, 
>> On 2015-03-04, android <here@there.was> wrote:
>
>>> If an article is posted to group A and B with follow up set to A 
>>> only and is commented by poster in B who don't subscribe to A then 
>>> s/he would not se that reply or any to his or her own... Weirdnes!
>
> Hardly.
>
>> It's still good etiquette. And users are in full control over where 
>> they post. It's just not as big a deal as some would make it out to 
>> be.
>
> When I set a Followup-To, I'll point it out in the message body.

That's the default behavior of slrn when replying to posts (though
sometime I delete it from my replies anyway). I don't recall if it's the
case or original posts though.

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#70547

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:38:05 UTC, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> 
wrote:

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> 
> On Wednesday, 04 March 2015 17:48 -0000, 
>  in article <clousbFlcpuU1@mid.individual.net>, 
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-03-04, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> 
> >> If an article is posted to group A and B with follow up set to A 
> >> only and is commented by poster in B who don't subscribe to A then 
> >> s/he would not se that reply or any to his or her own... Weirdnes!
> 
> Hardly.
> 
> > It's still good etiquette. And users are in full control over where 
> > they post. It's just not as big a deal as some would make it out to 
> > be.
> 
> When I set a Followup-To, I'll point it out in the message body.

The situation doesn't seem to arise often in the c.s.m.* groups, but
it does occur regularly in the highly overlapping groups 
alt.usage.english and alt.english.usage (the latter is believed to 
have been created after some confused soul misremembered the name of
the former). Some people post to one of the groups, some to the 
other, and some to both. The latter often crosspost. Then someone, 
usually in the busier group, a.u.e, will either drop the 
crossposting or set a follow-up, and the result is equivalent to 
double-posting, which I assume we can all agree is a no-no.

-- 
John Varela

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#70551 — X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

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On Thursday, 05 March 2015 20:02 -0000, 
 in article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-81gy7hrJvLE1@localhost>, 
 John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:38:05 UTC, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> 
> wrote:

>> On Wednesday, 04 March 2015 17:48 -0000, 
>>  in article <clousbFlcpuU1@mid.individual.net>, 
>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>>> On 2015-03-04, android <here@there.was> wrote:

>>>> If an article is posted to group A and B with follow up set to A 
>>>> only and is commented by poster in B who don't subscribe to A then 
>>>> s/he would not se that reply or any to his or her own... Weirdnes!

>> Hardly.

>>> It's still good etiquette. And users are in full control over where 
>>> they post. It's just not as big a deal as some would make it out to 
>>> be.

>> When I set a Followup-To, I'll point it out in the message body.

> The situation doesn't seem to arise often in the c.s.m.* groups, but 
> it does occur regularly in the highly overlapping groups 
> alt.usage.english and alt.english.usage (the latter is believed to 
> have been created after some confused soul misremembered the name of 
> the former). Some people post to one of the groups, some to the 
> other, and some to both. The latter often crosspost. Then someone, 
> usually in the busier group, a.u.e, will either drop the 
> crossposting or set a follow-up, and the result is equivalent to 
> double-posting, which I assume we can all agree is a no-no.

In my case, I needed to specify a single newsgroup, where discussions 
for Usenet Death Penalties were to take place.  That this newsgroup, 
news.admin.net-abuse.policy, was under the watchful 'eye' of a 
mod-bot, and, by charter, allowed no cross-posts, I posted a 
notification of the discussion in multiple pertinent newsgroups.  
These included unmoderated groups in n.a.n-a.*, selected regional and 
ISP specific groups, with followups set to n.a.n-a.policy.  I'd 
include brief notes, requesting that the Followup-To be honored and 
noting that trying to cross-post into n.a.n-a.policy would result in 
the article being dropped.

When I then posted the identical RFD message to the moderated 
n.a.n-a.policy, I'd include a References header, which consisted of 
the M-ID of the more widely distributed Request For Discussion.  By 
doing so, all following discussion threaded by References.

That the discussion remained in a single, moderated newsgroup allowed 
discussion to go forward, without x-post trolls disrupting it.  This 
methodology worked admirably for several years.  While I acted in the 
capacity of a UDP cooridinator, not a single 'udpcancel' was issued.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 "This isn't a win/lose kind of thing.  If there's a UDP, we all lose.
  If the abuse stops, we all win."                      - Jeremy Nixon

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#70554 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1503051524110.52934@mako.ath.cx>,
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> In my case, I needed to specify a single newsgroup, where discussions 
> for Usenet Death Penalties were to take place.  That this newsgroup, 
> news.admin.net-abuse.policy, was under the watchful 'eye' of a 
> mod-bot, and, by charter,

[... snip, but only for brevity]

Those were the days. Does anyone take Usenet that seriously anymore? 
Whatever happened to that Chris Lewis dork?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70557 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

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On Thursday, 05 March 2015 19:24 -0500, 
 in article <54f8f3ae$0$14824$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>, 
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1503051524110.52934@mako.ath.cx>,
> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>> In my case, I needed to specify a single newsgroup, where 
>> discussions for Usenet Death Penalties were to take place.  That 
>> this newsgroup, news.admin.net-abuse.policy, was under the watchful 
>> 'eye' of a mod-bot, and, by charter,

> [... snip, but only for brevity]

> Those were the days.

Those were the good old/bad old days.

> Does anyone take Usenet that seriously anymore?

I don't, although I still enjoy seeing anvils dropped from low earth 
orbit, from time to time.

These days, groups.google.com is probably the largest spam spigot in 
the text hierarchies.  Google's "spam is whatever our users say it is" 
may work -- FSVO work -- for their email recipients.  They remain clue 
impervious on the Usenet side of things.  They've had individual 
spammers spewing for more than a decade.

> Whatever happened to that Chris Lewis dork?

Chris is alive, well and doing his best to keep spam out of your 
inbox and your network secure.

I still visit the news.admin.net-abuse.* humor page, once in a while, 
mostly to revisit Andrew Nellis' wonderfully imaginative stories.

    <http://www.panix.com/~tori/abuse-humor.html>

They don't make ko0ks like they used to, but Archie Pu pops up in 
n.a.n-a.misc, once in a while, claiming forgery^W frogery, which lead 
to more forehead2keyboard moments, than outright laughter.

    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_celebrity>

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 "There is nothing worse than having a spare couple of hours and you
  can't find an open server to abuse."      - Tim Thorne - 26 Dec 1998

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#70569 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1503051854580.88471@mako.ath.cx>,
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Chris is alive, well and doing his best to keep spam out of your 
> inbox and your network secure.

I have Google for my mail and a very secure network. I remember, Lewis 
said that he (and the other operators) had the right to censor the 
newsfeed because it was hosted on his machine which was his property 
that belonged to him. Which would have been fine, except that if someone 
else who  also owned a machine and also hosted news didn't honour his 
cancels he'd throw a little bitch fit. I remember calling him a 
"sanctimonious c...sucker" once, and I wasn't even breaking any of his 
rules.

Then along came [spit] Burnore. Oh oh, he probably greps the spool 
looking for his name kibo kibo kibo ...
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#74968 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

As an FYI:

moving from 10.10.1 to 10.10.3 left iPhoto'09 (8.1.2) on the disk.
However, the OS refuses to launch it telling me to fetch a later version
of iPhoto on the App Store.

If I am to have incoompatible software between my main desktop (Snow
Leopard) and laptop, I might as well go with that new Photos thing. I'll
have to experiment to see what it can do and I guess USB keys are now
required to exchange photos between both woth manual import/export.

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#75007 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

followup:

10.10.3 won't let me launch iPhoto 09, but the new "Photos" app was able
to extract from the iPhoto 09 library.

However, it created albums that had been deleted with no pictures in
them in iPhoto. I will end up zapping everything. The laptop only
carries a subset of images that I might need during a trip for instance.
So much of the photos there may not be needed for next trip.


the new iTunes was able to connect to Snow Leopard iTunes to bring in
missing music thta was added since last sync.

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#75057 — Re: X-Posts and Followup-To (was Re: Apple releases OS X 10.10.3 beta with new Photos app)

In message <554a49e6$0$58716$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> As an FYI:

> moving from 10.10.1 to 10.10.3 left iPhoto'09 (8.1.2) on the disk.
> However, the OS refuses to launch it telling me to fetch a later version
> of iPhoto on the App Store.

Because iPhoto 8.1 is years out of date, having been release about 5
years ago.

-- 
It is the business of the future to be dangerous.

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