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Linus rant on HFS+

Started byJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
First post2015-01-25 20:46 -0500
Last post2015-03-25 14:30 -0700
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  Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-25 20:46 -0500
    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 02:00 +0000
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-26 12:30 -0500
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 17:40 +0000
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 17:45 +0000
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 17:47 +0000
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2015-01-27 20:52 -0800
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 21:11 -0800
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:01 +0000
            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> - 2015-01-29 08:14 +0000
              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 15:17 +0000
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-27 22:39 -0800
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 14:59 +0000
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-01-28 12:21 -0500
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 17:32 +0000
    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-25 21:13 -0500
    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jerry Bishop <jerry.bishop@nowhere.nohow.com> - 2015-01-26 14:52 -0500
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-27 09:27 +1300
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-01-26 15:36 -0500
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 13:45 -0800
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-28 13:52 -0800
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-28 22:14 +0000
            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 18:53 -0800
              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 10:47 +0000
                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-02-20 11:53 -0800
                  Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-20 22:37 +0000
                    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-02-21 09:41 -0800
                      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-21 23:18 +0000
                        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-22 09:23 +0000
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-02-22 11:23 +0100
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-22 16:34 +0000
                  Re: Linus rant on HFS+ android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-22 05:39 +0100
                    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-22 10:05 +0000
                      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ android <here@there.was> - 2015-02-22 15:05 +0100
                        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-22 18:38 +0000
                      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-22 11:11 -0500
                        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-22 13:30 -0500
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-22 13:32 -0500
                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-25 19:01 -0500
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-22 18:40 +0000
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-22 20:55 +0000
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Matt Simpson <usenet@news.jmatt.net> - 2015-02-25 14:59 +0000
                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-02-25 12:33 -0500
                        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-03-25 08:01 -0400
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 14:11 -0700
                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-25 17:16 -0400
                              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-03-25 17:31 -0400
                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-25 17:40 -0400
                                  Re: Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-25 18:31 -0400
                                    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-25 22:39 +0000
                                      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-25 19:23 -0400
                                        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-26 04:00 +0000
                                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 22:37 -0700
                                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-26 19:53 +1200
                                              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-03-26 09:37 +0100
                                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-26 23:07 +1300
                                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-27 20:39 -0700
                                                  Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-27 23:42 -0400
                                                    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-03-30 10:10 +0200
                                                      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-30 09:27 -0400
                                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 03:08 -0400
                                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-27 00:14 +0000
                                              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-27 20:29 -0700
                                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 06:18 +0000
                                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 21:05 +0000
                                    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-25 18:41 -0400
                              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 14:32 -0700
                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-25 17:40 -0400
                                  Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 14:45 -0700
                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-25 17:34 -0400
                              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 14:41 -0700
                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-25 21:56 +0000
                                Re: Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-25 18:33 -0400
                                  Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 19:44 -0700
                      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-22 16:22 +0000
                      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-25 18:54 -0500
                        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-26 07:56 +0000
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 07:57 -0500
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-26 07:58 -0500
                            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-26 17:24 +0000
                              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-26 13:25 -0500
                              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-02 10:07 -0500
                        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-02-26 07:28 -0800
                          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-03-02 10:08 -0500
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-26 16:38 -0800
    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 14:30 -0700

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#72103

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-03-26 03:08 -0400
Message-ID<260320150308267535%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#72099
In article <mf05v3$oep$2@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> > True, though I think it is 1000 charges OR 5 years. That is, even
> > with a low charge cycle count, the battery will lose as much as 20%
> > efficacy after 5 years.
> 
> lots of hand waving and blah blah blah
> 
> 1000 charges
> what about discharges

you have to discharge before you can charge. duh.

> and what's the definition of a charge
> or a discharge

more duh.

> and why would aapple ever replace a battery free of charge (pun)
> are some defective and overly free of charge to a fault
> are aapple so kind/generous that they just feel need to give back
> does the batt supplier suck up the loss

they warrant defects.

> it's all rather odd 
> i smell a cover up

then you're an idiot.

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#72146

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-03-27 00:14 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmh988i.9nl.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#72099
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> was all, like:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:00:00 +0000 (UTC)
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> True, though I think it is 1000 charges OR 5 years. That is, even
>> with a low charge cycle count, the battery will lose as much as 20%
>> efficacy after 5 years.

> lots of hand waving and blah blah blah

> 1000 charges
> what about discharges
> and what's the definition of a charge
> or a discharge

These are well-defined. Your ignorance can easily be solved with use of google.

[Still unable to post properly, I see. What a dipshit]

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for gold; The Arctic trails have their secret tales/That would make your
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queerest they ever did see Was the night on the marge of Lake Lebarge/
When I cremated Sam McGee

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#72192

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2015-03-27 20:29 -0700
Message-ID<mf577v$ell$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72146
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 00:14:22 +0000 (UTC)
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> These are well-defined. Your ignorance can easily be solved with use
> of google.

Ok.

> 
> [Still unable to post properly, I see. What a dipshit]

you deteriorate so quickly into personal attacks and foul
language like many others here

it's embarassing to witness and it's expected from a losing position
lashing out in fear or something





















 



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#72209

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-03-28 06:18 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmhchv4.195g.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#72192
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> was all, like:
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 00:14:22 +0000 (UTC)
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> These are well-defined. Your ignorance can easily be solved with use
>> of google.

> Ok.
 
>> [Still unable to post properly, I see. What a dipshit]

> you deteriorate so quickly into personal attacks and foul
> language like many others here

Its not a personal attack. You've ha this pointed out to you many times
by different people. You still haven't figured it out.

[20+ lines of shit removed]

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don't expect them to be.

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#72255

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-03-28 21:05 +0000
Message-ID<cnojc2F5h8sU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#72192
On 2015-03-28, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 00:14:22 +0000 (UTC)
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> [Still unable to post properly, I see. What a dipshit]
>
> you deteriorate so quickly into personal attacks and foul
> language like many others here

When someone does something that is considered rude, over and over
again, despite multiple people asking them to stop, you should expect
people to be upset. If you dislike it, change your bad behavior. Every
single post you make has tons of empty lines that people must actively
trim whenever they reply to you. It's rude. It's stupid. If you dislike
the reactions you are getting, make a change.

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#72078

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-03-25 18:41 -0400
Message-ID<250320151841393114%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#72072
In article <55133741$0$44744$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > the batteries are rated to last 5 years with 80% capacity. most people
> > replace their computer every 3-4 years. 
> 
> That is rather optimistic. lithium ion battery chemistry degrades over
> time.  Apple still has to live within the rules of physics and chemistry.

it's what apple states the user can expect and real world experience
matches it.

> My MacBookPro had severely degraded after 4 years. Not even close to
> having kept 80% over 5 years.

it's an average. just because *your* battery didn't doesn't mean they
all will. some batteries might not last as long while others will last
longer than expected. *most* people will have 5 year lifetime.

> > plus, it's not just apple with internal batteries either. 
> > it's a complete non-issue.
>
> Which is why there is no point in making unreal claims about Apple's
> batteries lasting longer than lithium ion batteries. Everyone on same
> footing here.

apple's batteries *are* lithium ion batteries or lithium polymer.

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#72061

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2015-03-25 14:32 -0700
Message-ID<mev9h4$jo2$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72056
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:16:00 -0400
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> the batteries will outlast the laptop so it makes no difference.

see the other thread about batt. replacement
seems to contradict you


















 

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#72064

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-03-25 17:40 -0400
Message-ID<250320151740373413%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#72061
In article <mev9h4$jo2$5@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> > the batteries will outlast the laptop so it makes no difference.
> 
> see the other thread about batt. replacement
> seems to contradict you

what other thread?

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#72067

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2015-03-25 14:45 -0700
Message-ID<meva97$jo2$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72064
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:40:37 -0400
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> what other thread?

not this one and not one that doesn't mention batt. replacemebt















 


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#72062

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-03-25 17:34 -0400
Message-ID<551329f3$0$64441$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#72055
On 15-03-25 17:11, Electric Comet wrote:

> my big worry with these new laptops is changing out batteries, etc.
> does it require special tools or can I DIY

www.ifixit.com provides you with a source for parts AND detailed
instructions for what you need to do to replace parts, and what tools
you need.

Newer macs may have fewer parts that user can replace.  For my
MacBookPro, I have replaced memory, battery and disk drive without any
problem.

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#72066

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2015-03-25 14:41 -0700
Message-ID<meva38$jo2$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72062
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:34:42 -0400
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> www.ifixit.com provides you with a source for parts AND detailed
> instructions for what you need to do to replace parts, and what tools
> you need.


anything get done that can't be undone
or in other words does it entail any permanent alterations


> Newer macs may have fewer parts that user can replace.  For my

a trend I don't like and not just with macs













 

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#72069

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-03-25 21:56 +0000
Message-ID<cngp8lF61vtU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#72066
On 2015-03-25, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:34:42 -0400
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> www.ifixit.com provides you with a source for parts AND detailed
>> instructions for what you need to do to replace parts, and what tools
>> you need.
>
> anything get done that can't be undone
> or in other words does it entail any permanent alterations

The web is your friend. Look for yourself on iFixit.

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#72074

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-03-25 18:33 -0400
Message-ID<551337cf$0$44744$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#72066
On 15-03-25 17:41, Electric Comet wrote:

> anything get done that can't be undone
> or in other words does it entail any permanent alterations

Not sure about newer MacBooks, but for my Pro, just some tiny phillips
screws, and one strange screw for the battery (used stright edge
screwdriver to get ot out, but I suspect ifixit probably sells that
screwdriver too).

No permanent damage. The unit is all done with screws, not glew, so
nicely maintanable.

Newer units, being more compact, may be less maintainable, but you
should see in iFixit when they do the teardown.

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#72086

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2015-03-25 19:44 -0700
Message-ID<mevrpl$560$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72074
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:33:50 -0400
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> No permanent damage. The unit is all done with screws, not glew, so
> nicely maintanable.

good to know
when I look at an air I really wonder how they come apart
haven't had to chance to look hard just of quick look at the store


> Newer units, being more compact, may be less maintainable, but you
> should see in iFixit when they do the teardown.

i will check that site










 

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#70101

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-02-22 16:22 +0000
Message-ID<ckue2hFc28uU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70089
On 2015-02-22, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2015-02-22, android <here@there.was> wrote:
>> In article <mc83jk$orj$1@dont-email.me>,
>>  Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29 Jan 2015 10:47:36 GMT
>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Sufficiently so that I bought one. Although I am hovering on the
>>> > threshold between between keeping it on MacOS for the automatic
>>> > updates & having someone else do the support and ditching MacOS for
>>> > Linux because I prefer it.
>>> 
>>> Are there firmware updates you would miss going to linux?
>>> Why not run macos in a vm
>>> 
>> You get a Mac because you can install software on it that's not 
>> available for Linux... 
>
> Actually, I got an Air because I needed a laptop and I loved the hardware.
> The O/S is OK, I guess, but only because there's an 'almost-Unix' hiding
> underneath.

No, Mac OS X is Unix. Period. You have a lot to learn.

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#70218

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2015-02-25 18:54 -0500
Message-ID<2PydnT4L6p8k_XPJnZ2dnUU7-UGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70089
On 2015.02.22 05:05 , Huge wrote:
> On 2015-02-22, android <here@there.was> wrote:
>> In article <mc83jk$orj$1@dont-email.me>,
>>   Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29 Jan 2015 10:47:36 GMT
>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sufficiently so that I bought one. Although I am hovering on the
>>>> threshold between between keeping it on MacOS for the automatic
>>>> updates & having someone else do the support and ditching MacOS for
>>>> Linux because I prefer it.
>>>
>>> Are there firmware updates you would miss going to linux?
>>> Why not run macos in a vm
>>>
>> You get a Mac because you can install software on it that's not
>> available for Linux...
>
> Actually, I got an Air because I needed a laptop and I loved the hardware.
> The O/S is OK, I guess, but only because there's an 'almost-Unix' hiding
> underneath.  If it wasn't for that, it would have had Linux on it like a shot.

It's Unix.  Period.  And has been so-certified since 10.5 or thereabouts 
when on intel based Macs.

http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/certificates/1201p.pdf

-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#70234

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2015-02-26 07:56 +0000
Message-ID<cl81tqF8f2aU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70218
On 2015-02-25, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.02.22 05:05 , Huge wrote:
>> On 2015-02-22, android <here@there.was> wrote:
>>> In article <mc83jk$orj$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>   Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29 Jan 2015 10:47:36 GMT
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sufficiently so that I bought one. Although I am hovering on the
>>>>> threshold between between keeping it on MacOS for the automatic
>>>>> updates & having someone else do the support and ditching MacOS for
>>>>> Linux because I prefer it.
>>>>
>>>> Are there firmware updates you would miss going to linux?
>>>> Why not run macos in a vm
>>>>
>>> You get a Mac because you can install software on it that's not
>>> available for Linux...
>>
>> Actually, I got an Air because I needed a laptop and I loved the hardware.
>> The O/S is OK, I guess, but only because there's an 'almost-Unix' hiding
>> underneath.  If it wasn't for that, it would have had Linux on it like a shot.
>
> It's Unix.

Believe what you like, I don't give a shit.




-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 57th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem.  If you have a problem with my attitude,
                    that's your problem.

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#70235

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2015-02-26 07:57 -0500
Message-ID<54ef1821$0$46866$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#70234
In article <cl81tqF8f2aU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2015-02-25, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > On 2015.02.22 05:05 , Huge wrote:
> >> On 2015-02-22, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> >>> In article <mc83jk$orj$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>   Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 29 Jan 2015 10:47:36 GMT
> >>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sufficiently so that I bought one. Although I am hovering on the
> >>>>> threshold between between keeping it on MacOS for the automatic
> >>>>> updates & having someone else do the support and ditching MacOS for
> >>>>> Linux because I prefer it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there firmware updates you would miss going to linux?
> >>>> Why not run macos in a vm
> >>>>
> >>> You get a Mac because you can install software on it that's not
> >>> available for Linux...
> >>
> >> Actually, I got an Air because I needed a laptop and I loved the hardware.
> >> The O/S is OK, I guess, but only because there's an 'almost-Unix' hiding
> >> underneath.  If it wasn't for that, it would have had Linux on it like a 
> >> shot.
> >
> > It's Unix.
> 
> Believe what you like, I don't give a shit.

It's not about belief, sunshine.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70236

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2015-02-26 07:58 -0500
Message-ID<26-dnW80m_3hhXLJnZ2dnUU7-XWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70234
On 2015.02.26 02:56 , Huge wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>>> Actually, I got an Air because I needed a laptop and I loved the hardware.
>>> The O/S is OK, I guess, but only because there's an 'almost-Unix' hiding
>>> underneath.  If it wasn't for that, it would have had Linux on it like a shot.
>>
>> It's Unix.
>
> Believe what you like, I don't give a shit.

Fact - not belief.

And of course you give a shit, otherwise you would have replaced the 
"loved" hardware with Linux.  You know, the one that can't get Unix 
certification because the Bazaar does not lend itself to such.

-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

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#70254

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2015-02-26 17:24 +0000
Message-ID<cl9364Fhk0bU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70236
On 2015-02-26, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.02.26 02:56 , Huge wrote:
>> On 2015-02-25, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> Actually, I got an Air because I needed a laptop and I loved the hardware.
>>>> The O/S is OK, I guess, but only because there's an 'almost-Unix' hiding
>>>> underneath.  If it wasn't for that, it would have had Linux on it like a shot.
>>>
>>> It's Unix.
>>
>> Believe what you like, I don't give a shit.
>
> Fact - not belief.
>
> And of course you give a shit,

Don't tell me what I think.

*plonk*


-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 57th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem.  If you have a problem with my attitude,
                    that's your problem.

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