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| Started by | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
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| First post | 2015-02-08 21:47 -0600 |
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Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-02-08 21:47 -0600
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-08 20:37 -0800
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-08 21:37 -0700
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2015-02-09 14:05 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 09:19 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-09 13:01 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-02-10 10:55 +0100
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 14:00 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-02-10 20:08 +0100
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-10 14:42 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 20:03 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-10 16:05 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 21:17 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-10 19:51 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 20:54 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 21:18 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 22:37 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 00:04 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-11 12:37 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:07 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:16 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-11 08:32 -0700
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:53 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-11 08:24 -0700
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-11 15:27 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:53 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-11 12:22 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 18:00 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-12 01:51 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 14:11 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-12 14:52 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 15:11 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-12 15:38 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 16:03 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-14 11:00 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-14 19:44 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-14 10:58 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-14 16:47 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-15 01:10 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-15 01:39 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-15 09:24 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-15 14:56 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-15 11:13 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-15 16:53 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-15 18:01 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-16 01:38 +0000
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-16 12:04 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 09:21 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-02-09 14:05 -0600
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 15:32 -0500
Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-09 20:58 +0000
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 21:47 -0600 |
| Subject | Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User |
| Message-ID | <cjqoubF4fg7U1@mid.individual.net> |
I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and then attempt to reconnect. Many thanks for replies! -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 20:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mb9der$33j$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69610 |
In article <cjqoubF4fg7U1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: > I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is > the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, > myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the > internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I > noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time > Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must > be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. > > My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will > have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately > disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and > then attempt to reconnect. > > Many thanks for replies! From the Mac it's wired to, I'd kill the wireless on the TC to blow him off his current connection, change the password, then restart the capsule's wireless. Don't forget to update the other users with the new PW... :) -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-02-08 21:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <080220152137586688%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #69610 |
In article <cjqoubF4fg7U1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: > My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will > have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately > disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and > then attempt to reconnect. Before doing anything else, make sure that the unknown user is not one of your peripherals or mobile devices. Change the password, and then disconnect the time machine from its power. (Make sure that no one is accessing the built-in hard disk at the time, though.)
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| From | Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-09 14:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjrt5jFd7oeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69610 |
On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: > I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is > the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, > myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the > internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I > noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time > Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must > be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. > > My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will > have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately > disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and > then attempt to reconnect. > > Many thanks for replies! > Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your other users to fiddle with their configurations.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-09 09:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <m8adnZdi-a6cX0XJnZ2dnUU7-fWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69618 |
On 2015.02.09 09:05 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>> I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is
>> the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users,
>> myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the
>> internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I
>> noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time
>> Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must
>> be someone close enough to connect wirelessly.
>>
>> My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will
>> have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately
>> disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and
>> then attempt to reconnect.
>>
>> Many thanks for replies!
>>
> Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use
> the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the
> offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your
> other users to fiddle with their configurations.
If that user knows the password he can switch to another device.
In the case at hand I'd also check if an authorized (valid) user is
using more than one device to access that network.
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-09 13:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <090220151301232729%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #69618 |
In article <cjrt5jFd7oeU1@mid.individual.net>, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is > > the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, > > myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the > > internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I > > noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time > > Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must > > be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. > > > > My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will > > have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately > > disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and > > then attempt to reconnect. > > > > Many thanks for replies! > > > Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use > the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the > offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your > other users to fiddle with their configurations. that only works up until the person changes their mac address to one that's not blocked, likely one that's currently in use which will bump a legitimate user offline. mac address blocking has its uses, however, securing a network is not one of them, as it's trivially bypassed. if it truly is a rogue user, then changing the password of the network and rebooting the router will resolve it and be sure to use a very good passphrase.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 10:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <t51pqb-vls.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #69618 |
On 2015-02-09, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: >> I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is >> the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, >> myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the >> internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I >> noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time >> Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must >> be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. >> >> My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will >> have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately >> disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and >> then attempt to reconnect. >> >> Many thanks for replies! >> > Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use > the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the > offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your > other users to fiddle with their configurations. I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. Can an Airport do that? -- 1972 - IBM begins development on its last tape drive (3480) ever because of the declining cost of disk drives.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 14:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjuh8oF3snbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69643 |
On 2015-02-10, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2015-02-09, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: >>> I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is >>> the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, >>> myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the >>> internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I >>> noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time >>> Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must >>> be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. >>> >>> My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will >>> have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately >>> disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and >>> then attempt to reconnect. >>> >>> Many thanks for replies! >>> >> Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use >> the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the >> offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your >> other users to fiddle with their configurations. > > I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging > to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. > > Can an Airport do that? Yup. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 20:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8j1qqb-cpu.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #69648 |
On 2015-02-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-02-10, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: >> On 2015-02-09, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: >>>> I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is >>>> the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, >>>> myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the >>>> internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I >>>> noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time >>>> Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must >>>> be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. >>>> >>>> My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will >>>> have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately >>>> disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and >>>> then attempt to reconnect. >>>> >>>> Many thanks for replies! >>>> >>> Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use >>> the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the >>> offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your >>> other users to fiddle with their configurations. >> >> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. >> >> Can an Airport do that? > > Yup. Thanks. -- 1972 - IBM begins development on its last tape drive (3480) ever because of the declining cost of disk drives.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 14:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <100220151442069286%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #69643 |
In article <t51pqb-vls.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > > Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use > > the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the > > offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your > > other users to fiddle with their configurations. > > I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging > to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. > > Can an Airport do that? it can but it's a complete waste of time.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 20:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjv6gkF8af0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69652 |
On 2015-02-10, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <t51pqb-vls.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture ><nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > >> > Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use >> > the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the >> > offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your >> > other users to fiddle with their configurations. >> >> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. >> >> Can an Airport do that? > > it can but it's a complete waste of time. That's a blanket statement that doesn't tell the whole truth though. If someone wants to discourage casual connections from computers that aren't authorized to connect, it can certainly be somewhat useful. Granted, it can be bypassed by changing the MAC address of the connecting device or computer; but not all users know how to do that, and not all devices and systems allow it. So I'd say a more correct statement is that it's somewhat useful, but doesn't enhance security substantially. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 16:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <100220151605198824%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #69653 |
In article <cjv6gkF8af0U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use > >> > the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the > >> > offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your > >> > other users to fiddle with their configurations. > >> > >> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging > >> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. > >> > >> Can an Airport do that? > > > > it can but it's a complete waste of time. > > That's a blanket statement that doesn't tell the whole truth though. If > someone wants to discourage casual connections from computers that > aren't authorized to connect, it can certainly be somewhat useful. > Granted, it can be bypassed by changing the MAC address of the > connecting device or computer; but not all users know how to do that, > and not all devices and systems allow it. So I'd say a more correct > statement is that it's somewhat useful, but doesn't enhance security > substantially. it might stop a casual user or someone who is mistakenly connecting to the wrong network but they're not the ones to worry about. someone with ill intent *will* connect if the only thing securing a network is mac address filtering. the way to secure a wireless network is with a good passphrase.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 21:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjvaqbFarplU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69658 |
On 2015-02-10, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <cjv6gkF8af0U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> That's a blanket statement that doesn't tell the whole truth though. If >> someone wants to discourage casual connections from computers that >> aren't authorized to connect, it can certainly be somewhat useful. >> Granted, it can be bypassed by changing the MAC address of the >> connecting device or computer; but not all users know how to do that, >> and not all devices and systems allow it. So I'd say a more correct >> statement is that it's somewhat useful, but doesn't enhance security >> substantially. > > it might stop a casual user or someone who is mistakenly connecting to > the wrong network but they're not the ones to worry about. I don't think it's your job to decide who everyone on the planet should worry about. ; ) > someone with ill intent *will* connect if the only thing securing a > network is mac address filtering. Nobody is saying that MAC filtering should be used to secure anything. > the way to secure a wireless network is with a good passphrase. Yep, and everyone should do that. And MAC filtering can augment that good security by disallowing connections from unknown devices/computers. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 19:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <juidnbfQjasROkfJnZ2dnUU7-T2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69659 |
On 2015.02.10 16:17 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> Yep, and everyone should do that. And MAC filtering can augment that
> good security by disallowing connections from unknown devices/computers.
Some musings ...
In addition to strong passwords ...
At a company level, if one suspects they're a hacking target, then one
could:
- set the SSIDs to something misleading such as variations on
a neighboring SSID (an adjacent company).
- set up a "bait" SSID on a router. The SSID announces the company.
(A cheap dual band router can output 4 "good looking" SSID's - 2
principal, and 2 "guest"). This router connects to nothing else.
- set up a "bait" hidden SSID on another router to keep the hackers
busy - naturally this one would also use a name associated with your
co. so they'll think they're on to something. This router connects
to nothing else.
- set up an otherwise useless computer to try to hookup (probe) to the
"bait" hidden SSID so the hackers can find it... It would use the
wrong password so it would keep trying to hook up. (A little
scripting may be needed here so the bait probe keeps getting
broadcast for the hackers to find).
- taking this further, allow the hidden bait computer to get hooked
into. Accesses huge files such as "Engineering-backup.ZIP",
"Q4-Financial-backup.zip" etc. ... (encrypted garbage).
All in fun of course ...
--
"Your net worth to the world is usually
determined by what remains after your
bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 20:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmdks1v.10qr.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #69643 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> was all, like: > On 2015-02-09, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: >>> I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is >>> the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, >>> myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the >>> internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I >>> noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time >>> Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must >>> be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. >>> >>> My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will >>> have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately >>> disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and >>> then attempt to reconnect. >>> >>> Many thanks for replies! >>> >> Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use >> the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the >> offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your >> other users to fiddle with their configurations. > I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging > to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. If you are relying on MAC filtering to prevent connections you are sadly mistaken. -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjvasbFarplU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69656 |
On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> was all, like: >> On 2015-02-09, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: >>>> I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is >>>> the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, >>>> myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the >>>> internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I >>>> noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time >>>> Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must >>>> be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. >>>> >>>> My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will >>>> have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately >>>> disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and >>>> then attempt to reconnect. >>>> >>>> Many thanks for replies! >>>> >>> Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use >>> the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the >>> offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your >>> other users to fiddle with their configurations. > >> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. > > If you are relying on MAC filtering to prevent connections you are > sadly mistaken. I don't think that's what he said. You do understand that MAC filtering and encryption are not mutually exclusive, right? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-02-10 22:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmdl22u.117m.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #69660 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: > On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> was all, like: >>> On 2015-02-09, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 2015-02-09, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: >>>>> I have an Apple Time Capsule managed from my iMac. The Time Capsule is >>>>> the prior model. At this time it is being shared by three users, >>>>> myself, and two others. Our primary use of the capsule is to access the >>>>> internet. Access to the Time Capsule requires the password. Today I >>>>> noted that there is a fourth user, unkknown, who is accessing the Time >>>>> Capsule. I have no idea who this user is but I'm assuming that it must >>>>> be someone close enough to connect wirelessly. >>>>> >>>>> My question now is how do I disconnect this user. I assume that I will >>>>> have to change the password. Will changing the password immediately >>>>> disconnect this unknown user or will that user have to sign off and >>>>> then attempt to reconnect. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks for replies! >>>>> >>>> Although not quite as effective as changing the password, you can use >>>> the Airport Utility app to enable access control to block the >>>> offending user's MAC address. At least that doesn't require your >>>> other users to fiddle with their configurations. >> >>> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >>> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. >> >> If you are relying on MAC filtering to prevent connections you are >> sadly mistaken. > I don't think that's what he said. You do understand that MAC filtering > and encryption are not mutually exclusive, right? "I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect." Hard to read that any other way but believing MAC whitelists prevent unregistered devices from connecting. -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-11 00:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cjvkl4Fde31U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69666 |
On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: >> On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> was all, like: >>>> >>>> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >>>> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. >>> >>> If you are relying on MAC filtering to prevent connections you are >>> sadly mistaken. > >> I don't think that's what he said. You do understand that MAC filtering >> and encryption are not mutually exclusive, right? > > "I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging > to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect." > > Hard to read that any other way but believing MAC whitelists prevent > unregistered devices from connecting. Nah. Nothing in that statement indicates that encryption isn't being used. Without knowing more, I wouldn't assume Paul isn't using encryption. And what he said is technically true. MAC address white lists *do* prevent devices with MAC addresses that are not on the list from connecting. Like I said, encryption and MAC address filtering are *not* mutually exclusive. Not only is it possible to do both at once, but there's also nothing at all wrong with doing both. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-02-11 12:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmdmj97.13ch.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #69667 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: > On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: >>> On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> was all, like: >>>>> >>>>> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >>>>> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. >>>> >>>> If you are relying on MAC filtering to prevent connections you are >>>> sadly mistaken. >> >>> I don't think that's what he said. You do understand that MAC filtering >>> and encryption are not mutually exclusive, right? >> >> "I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect." >> >> Hard to read that any other way but believing MAC whitelists prevent >> unregistered devices from connecting. > Nah. Nothing in that statement indicates that encryption isn't being > used. Without knowing more, I wouldn't assume Paul isn't using > encryption. The fact it wasn't mentioned? MAC address filtering is a waste of time and does *nothing* to protect a network. > And what he said is technically true. MAC address white lists *do* > prevent devices with MAC addresses that are not on the list from > connecting. But it is trivial to spoof a MAC address that IS on the list. > Like I said, encryption and MAC address filtering are *not* mutually > exclusive. Not only is it possible to do both at once, but there's also > nothing at all wrong with doing both. OK, but one is effective an one is not. -- http://2blog.kreme.com
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-02-11 15:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ck19ieFpnuqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69687 |
On 2015-02-11, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: >> On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: >>>> On 2015-02-10, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> was all, like: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >>>>>> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect. >>>>> >>>>> If you are relying on MAC filtering to prevent connections you are >>>>> sadly mistaken. >>> >>>> I don't think that's what he said. You do understand that MAC filtering >>>> and encryption are not mutually exclusive, right? >>> >>> "I'm not using an Airport but I whitelist the MAC addresses belonging >>> to my devices; any device not registered there cannot connect." >>> >>> Hard to read that any other way but believing MAC whitelists prevent >>> unregistered devices from connecting. > >> Nah. Nothing in that statement indicates that encryption isn't being >> used. Without knowing more, I wouldn't assume Paul isn't using >> encryption. > > The fact it wasn't mentioned? The absence of proof is not evidence is not evidence of absence. > MAC address filtering is a waste of time and does *nothing* to protect > a network. It prevents MAC addresses that are not on the list from connecting. >> And what he said is technically true. MAC address white lists *do* >> prevent devices with MAC addresses that are not on the list from >> connecting. > > But it is trivial to spoof a MAC address that IS on the list. It's not trivial for a lot of cases, because not everyone knows how, and not all devices (iOS devices are one example) allow the user to change the MAC address. >> Like I said, encryption and MAC address filtering are *not* mutually >> exclusive. Not only is it possible to do both at once, but there's also >> nothing at all wrong with doing both. > > OK, but one is effective an one is not. It's effective for what it does, and nothing more. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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