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  ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-02-06 12:06 -0500
    Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-06 10:04 -0800
    Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-07 14:26 +1300
      Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-02-06 20:46 -0800
        Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-07 18:12 +1300
          Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-02-07 06:17 -0800
            Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-02-07 10:16 -0500
              Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-02-07 10:32 -0800
              Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-07 19:40 +0000
              Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-08 09:33 +1300
                Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-07 13:29 -0800
                  Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-07 22:37 +0000
            Re: ? Replacing Flash with HTML5? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-07 15:56 +0000

#69539 — ? Replacing Flash with HTML5?

Forgive my ignorance, but the details of using and dumping Flash is just 
something I'm not familiar with. I'm trying to help a small non-profit 
dump Flash from their website. Is it as simple as just doing a 'Save As 
HTML5' in your website construction app? What if the webpage has a 
Flash-based video? Does it have to be somehow 'translated' to HTML5 
independently?

Also, there have been assertions/discussions that HTML5 will do 
_virtually_ everything Flash will do except some very high-end, rarified 
operations. Could someone tell me exactly what these operations are so I 
can say to an organization 'oh, you're not doing that so Flash isn't 
needed'. Thanks very much for your help.

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#69541

In article <mb2s96$rkk$1@dont-email.me>, Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> Forgive my ignorance, but the details of using and dumping Flash is just 
> something I'm not familiar with. I'm trying to help a small non-profit 
> dump Flash from their website. Is it as simple as just doing a 'Save As 
> HTML5' in your website construction app? What if the webpage has a 
> Flash-based video? Does it have to be somehow 'translated' to HTML5 
> independently?

Flash can do other things than just show a movie. If you just want to show a 
movie, you have to have the movie in an acceptable format (mostly MP4 and/or 
OGG). From http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_video.asp

<video width="320" height="240" autoplay>
    <source src="movie.mp4" type="video/mp4">
    <source src="movie.ogg" type="video/ogg">
    Your browser does not support the video tag.
</video>

To control the movie you need some javascript. You can do a very rudimentary 
interface (start, stop, restart), to fancier like time bar, click to position, 
speed control, volume control, etc.

Same site as above:

<div style="text-align:center"> 
  <button onclick="playPause()">Play/Pause</button> 
  <button onclick="makeBig()">Big</button>
  <button onclick="makeSmall()">Small</button>
  <button onclick="makeNormal()">Normal</button>
  <br> 
  <video id="video1" width="420">
    <source src="mov_bbb.mp4" type="video/mp4">
    <source src="mov_bbb.ogg" type="video/ogg">
    Your browser does not support HTML5 video.
  </video>
</div> 

<script> 
var myVideo = document.getElementById("video1"); 
function playPause() { 
    if (myVideo.paused) myVideo.play(); else myVideo.pause(); 
} 
function makeBig() { myVideo.width = 560; } 
function makeSmall() { myVideo.width = 320; } 
function makeNormal() { myVideo.width = 420; } 
</script> 

> Also, there have been assertions/discussions that HTML5 will do 
> _virtually_ everything Flash will do except some very high-end, rarified 
> operations. Could someone tell me exactly what these operations are so I 
> can say to an organization 'oh, you're not doing that so Flash isn't 
> needed'. Thanks very much for your help.

I don't know.

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#69552

In article <mb2s96$rkk$1@dont-email.me>, Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org>
wrote:
> 
> Forgive my ignorance, but the details of using and dumping Flash is just 
> something I'm not familiar with. I'm trying to help a small non-profit 
> dump Flash from their website. Is it as simple as just doing a 'Save As 
> HTML5' in your website construction app? What if the webpage has a 
> Flash-based video? Does it have to be somehow 'translated' to HTML5 
> independently?

That depends on what software you're using to create Flash and website
content, and what the Flash content is being used for. Some Adobe
applications can Save As / Export Flash content as HTML5 and there are
some websites that claim to be able to convert between the two ... how
successful either of those does will depend on how complicated the
Flash content is.



> Also, there have been assertions/discussions that HTML5 will do 
> _virtually_ everything Flash will do except some very high-end, rarified 
> operations. Could someone tell me exactly what these operations are so I 
> can say to an organization 'oh, you're not doing that so Flash isn't 
> needed'. Thanks very much for your help.

Hmmm ... things that HTML5 can't do that Flash can do ... it can't
gobble up huge amounts of RAM, it can't leak RAM like a sieve, it can't
crash for no reason, it isn't as buggy or [reportedly] as complicated
to develop content in, it can't be as easily infected by malware, it's
not wholy owned by one greedy corporate, ...   ;-)

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#69556

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:26:42 +1300
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> complicated to develop content in, it can't be as easily infected by
> malware, it's not wholy owned by one greedy corporate, ...   ;-)

But isn't HTML5 commitee made up of corporations?

But I don't like Adobe or Flash and at least HTML5 is in a better
direction

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#69557

In article <mb45hm$900$2@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:26:42 +1300
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > complicated to develop content in, it can't be as easily infected by
> > malware, it's not wholy owned by one greedy corporate, ...   ;-)
> 
> But isn't HTML5 commitee made up of corporations?
> 
> But I don't like Adobe or Flash and at least HTML5 is in a better
> direction

The people behind HTML5 are probably from many organisations and
businesses ... but I said HTML5 is not owned by *one* greedy coporate.
:-)

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#69565

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 18:12:33 +1300
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The people behind HTML5 are probably from many organisations and
> businesses ... but I said HTML5 is not owned by *one* greedy coporate.
> :-)

it's owned by more than one, good point
wait I already said that







 

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#69567

In article <mb56v2$avb$2@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 18:12:33 +1300
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > The people behind HTML5 are probably from many organisations and
> > businesses ... but I said HTML5 is not owned by *one* greedy coporate.
> > :-)
> 
> it's owned by more than one, good point
> wait I already said that

But it's a critical difference. One corporation is a monopoly, they 
don't have to make compromises. A committee forces a give-and-take so 
that they'll come to agreement.

W3C probably also has some members from academia, too.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#69569

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:16:33 -0500
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> W3C probably also has some members from academia, too.

well than HTML5 will have impeccable integrity










 

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#69570

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> was all, like:
> In article <mb56v2$avb$2@dont-email.me>,
>  Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 18:12:33 +1300
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > The people behind HTML5 are probably from many organisations and
>> > businesses ... but I said HTML5 is not owned by *one* greedy coporate.
>> > :-)
>> 
>> it's owned by more than one, good point
>> wait I already said that

> But it's a critical difference. One corporation is a monopoly, they 
> don't have to make compromises. A committee forces a give-and-take so 
> that they'll come to agreement.

> W3C probably also has some members from academia, too.

And HTML (5 or not) is not owned by any of them.

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#69571

In article <barmar-B69660.10163307022015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <mb56v2$avb$2@dont-email.me>,
>  Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> > On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 18:12:33 +1300
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The people behind HTML5 are probably from many organisations and
> > > businesses ... but I said HTML5 is not owned by *one* greedy coporate.
> > > :-)
> > 
> > it's owned by more than one, good point
> > wait I already said that
> 
> But it's a critical difference. One corporation is a monopoly, they 
> don't have to make compromises. A committee forces a give-and-take so 
> that they'll come to agreement.
> 
> W3C probably also has some members from academia, too.

The problem is that even when you have a committee creating the
standards and rules ... some moronic big company often thinks they know
better and goes around making up their own "standards" and "rules",
creating a massive mess and confusion, and trying to force everyone
else to do it the same way. In the past that moronic company has been
Microsloth with their stupid non-standard Internet Explorer web
browser. I can see Adobe *potentially* doing the exact same thing here
with HTML5.

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#69572

In article <080220150933499651%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> browser. I can see Adobe *potentially* doing the exact same thing here
> with HTML5.

That will ruin Adobe's Creekside browser.

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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
Be sure not to operate heavy machinery whilst on usenet.

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#69573

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> was all, like:
> In article <080220150933499651%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> browser. I can see Adobe *potentially* doing the exact same thing here
>> with HTML5.

> That will ruin Adobe's Creekside browser.

Adobe doesn't have the clout that Netscape and Microshit had to ignore (sorry,
EXTEND) the standards. Also, people are far less tolerant of anyone ignoring
the standards.

-- 
"640K ought to be enough RAM for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981

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#69568

On 2015-02-07, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 18:12:33 +1300
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> The people behind HTML5 are probably from many organisations and
>> businesses ... but I said HTML5 is not owned by *one* greedy coporate.
>> :-)
>
> it's owned by more than one, good point
> wait I already said that

You're being very silly.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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