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  Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-25 20:46 -0500
    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 02:00 +0000
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-26 12:30 -0500
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 17:40 +0000
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 17:45 +0000
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-26 17:47 +0000
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2015-01-27 20:52 -0800
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 21:11 -0800
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 15:01 +0000
            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> - 2015-01-29 08:14 +0000
              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-29 15:17 +0000
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-27 22:39 -0800
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 14:59 +0000
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-01-28 12:21 -0500
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 17:32 +0000
    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-25 21:13 -0500
    Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Jerry Bishop <jerry.bishop@nowhere.nohow.com> - 2015-01-26 14:52 -0500
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-27 09:27 +1300
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-01-26 15:36 -0500
        Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 13:45 -0800
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-28 13:52 -0800
          Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-28 22:14 +0000
            Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 18:53 -0800
              Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-29 10:47 +0000
      Re: Linus rant on HFS+ Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-26 16:38 -0800

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#68978 — Linus rant on HFS+

Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever

> http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probably-the-worst-file-system-ever.html


His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.

Aside from Linus "slight" bias against Apple and HFS+, is there anything
that supports his rant that case insensitive makes for bad file system ?

The only thing I could think of is the overhead of having to store the
file name in a normalised fashion (for lookups) and the original
case-preserved filename which is displayed.  (I assume this is how it
works).

Is this significant ?

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#68981

On 2015-01-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever
>
>> http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probably-the-worst-file-system-ever.html
>
>
> His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.
>
> Aside from Linus "slight" bias against Apple and HFS+, is there anything
> that supports his rant that case insensitive makes for bad file system ?
>
> The only thing I could think of is the overhead of having to store the
> file name in a normalised fashion (for lookups) and the original
> case-preserved filename which is displayed.  (I assume this is how it
> works).
>
> Is this significant ?

If you have to ask...

The author of the article asserts that case insensitivity "causes a lot
of problems", but I have yet to see these supposed problems in the
almost 30 years of using HFS in Mac OS. How has it "caused problems" for
you?

Useless troll. Good work.

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#69025

On 15-01-25 21:00, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Useless troll. Good work.


Do you ever have an intelligent conversation or are you only good at
insulting people ?

*I* did not make that rant, Linus Torvalds did. So why call me a troll ?

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#69026

On 2015-01-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-01-25 21:00, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Useless troll. Good work.
>
> Do you ever have an intelligent conversation or are you only good at
> insulting people ?

I'll answer your question with another question: Do you ever have
intelligent conversations where you are not doing what you can to shed
Apple in unfavorable light, or are you only good at posting FUD? So far,
very few, if any, of your posts are anything but obvious trolls and FUD.

> *I* did not make that rant, Linus Torvalds did. So why call me a troll ?

It's what you do. You post FUD, ask pointed questions, and suggest that
Apple is doomed over and over again. While Apple does occasionally do
good things, I can't recall the last time I have seen you post anything
but FUD about Apple. 

Feel free to show me example posts of yours where you have said or asked
anything at all that was not on the FUD side of the scale. 

I respect those who give balanced opinions. You just don't fit that
mold. You'll get more respect from me once you've earned it, and not a
moment sooner.

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#69027

On 2015-01-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-01-25 21:00, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> If you have to ask...
>>
>> The author of the article asserts that case insensitivity "causes a lot
>> of problems", but I have yet to see these supposed problems in the
>> almost 30 years of using HFS in Mac OS. How has it "caused problems" for
>> you?
>>
>> Useless troll. Good work.
>
> Do you ever have an intelligent conversation or are you only good at
> insulting people ?
>
> *I* did not make that rant, Linus Torvalds did. So why call me a troll ?

I notice you didn't bother to answer my question above, which is a
perfect example of your complete unwillingness to say anything that is
not disparaging of Apple. The fact is case insensitivity does not cause
the overwhelming majority of Apple customers. You, being you, wouldn't
want to admit that in public because it would doesn't fit your modus
operandi. The entire purpose of your post is to cast bad light. If you
think what you are doing is not completely obvious to others, you're
sorely mistaken. The rest of the world ain't that dumb.

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#69028

On 2015-01-26, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-01-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 15-01-25 21:00, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> If you have to ask...
>>>
>>> The author of the article asserts that case insensitivity "causes a lot
>>> of problems", but I have yet to see these supposed problems in the
>>> almost 30 years of using HFS in Mac OS. How has it "caused problems" for
>>> you?
>>>
>>> Useless troll. Good work.
>>
>> Do you ever have an intelligent conversation or are you only good at
>> insulting people ?
>>
>> *I* did not make that rant, Linus Torvalds did. So why call me a troll ?
>
> I notice you didn't bother to answer my question above, which is a
> perfect example of your complete unwillingness to say anything that is
> not disparaging of Apple. The fact is case insensitivity does not cause

*problems for*

> the overwhelming majority of Apple customers. You, being you, wouldn't
> want to admit that in public because it would doesn't fit your modus
> operandi. The entire purpose of your post is to cast bad light. If you
> think what you are doing is not completely obvious to others, you're
> sorely mistaken. The rest of the world ain't that dumb.

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#69198

In article <cilld1Fd18aU3@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever
> >
> >> http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probabl
> >> y-the-worst-file-system-ever.html
> >
> >
> > His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.
> >
> > Aside from Linus "slight" bias against Apple and HFS+, is there anything
> > that supports his rant that case insensitive makes for bad file system ?
> >
> > The only thing I could think of is the overhead of having to store the
> > file name in a normalised fashion (for lookups) and the original
> > case-preserved filename which is displayed.  (I assume this is how it
> > works).
> >
> > Is this significant ?
> 
> If you have to ask...
> 
> The author of the article asserts that case insensitivity "causes a lot
> of problems", but I have yet to see these supposed problems in the
> almost 30 years of using HFS in Mac OS. How has it "caused problems" for
> you?
> 
> Useless troll. Good work.

You don't see any problems because you're totally incapable of 
researching, or even believing that MacOS bugs exist.

Back when Apple made servers, case insensitivity and numerous unicode 
bugs were found to an actively exploited vulnerability.  Most servers 
have a blacklist for files that may contain sensitive data in a public 
access area.  For example, .htaccess, WEB-INF, .git, .svn, and 
.DS_Store.  Reading or writing those paths with a different case was all 
it took to bypass blacklists.  Even when blacklists were made case 
insensitive, unicode bugs in HFS+ could be exploited with the same 
outcome.


Modern server software will ask the OS to resolve a path and then 
compare that with the original request to see if it has changed, but 
that's not an exact solution.  It's quite complex when you have a mix of 
valid and invalid unicode transformations happening.  Linus was recently 
cursing about these exploits that took advantage of DOS support in 
Windows and unicode bugs in HFS+ to bypass GIT's file blacklists:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1853266

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#69205

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:52:18 -0800
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> You don't see any problems because you're totally incapable of 
> researching, or even believing that MacOS bugs exist.

I dunno "Jolly Roger" just posted the info about yoazemite 10.10.2
and the long list of CVEs. (wow just now apple are fixing the bash
vulns)

> 
> Back when Apple made servers, case insensitivity and numerous unicode 
> bugs were found to an actively exploited vulnerability.  Most servers 
> have a blacklist for files that may contain sensitive data in a
> public access area.  For example, .htaccess, WEB-INF, .git, .svn, and 
> .DS_Store.  Reading or writing those paths with a different case was
> all it took to bypass blacklists.  Even when blacklists were made
> case insensitive, unicode bugs in HFS+ could be exploited with the
> same outcome.

what a mess, will it only get worse
you'd think with 18 Billion profit apple could spend a few to fix some


> 
> 
> Modern server software will ask the OS to resolve a path and then 
> compare that with the original request to see if it has changed, but 
> that's not an exact solution.  It's quite complex when you have a mix
> of valid and invalid unicode transformations happening.  Linus was
> recently cursing about these exploits that took advantage of DOS
> support in Windows and unicode bugs in HFS+ to bypass GIT's file
> blacklists:

sad thing is the end-user usually suffers the most when the vendor
deserves it the most
end-user just trying to get stuff done and the vendor's just trying
to pay their "shareholders" or sail two yachts or wtf

> 
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1853266
> 
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I know google's a top spammer but the others I haven't heard of.
yes I had a hiatus from usenet

lately I've noticed lots of "gmail" accounts replying to 15-20 year
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#69223

On 2015-01-28, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:52:18 -0800
> Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>
>> You don't see any problems because you're totally incapable of 
>> researching, or even believing that MacOS bugs exist.
>
> I dunno "Jolly Roger" just posted the info about yoazemite 10.10.2
> and the long list of CVEs. (wow just now apple are fixing the bash
> vulns)

He's trolling, and lying about me. Lame.
 
>> Back when Apple made servers, case insensitivity and numerous unicode 
>> bugs were found to an actively exploited vulnerability.  Most servers 
>> have a blacklist for files that may contain sensitive data in a
>> public access area.  For example, .htaccess, WEB-INF, .git, .svn, and 
>> .DS_Store.  Reading or writing those paths with a different case was
>> all it took to bypass blacklists.  Even when blacklists were made
>> case insensitive, unicode bugs in HFS+ could be exploited with the
>> same outcome.
>
> what a mess, will it only get worse

If anything it will get better, as Apple does make improvements over
time.

> you'd think with 18 Billion profit apple could spend a few to fix some

It boils down to business decisions. How many Mac users do you think are
effected by this issue? I doubt many.

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#69307

On 2015-01-28, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
[...]
> It boils down to business decisions. How many Mac users do you think are
> effected by this issue? I doubt many.

None. 

A non-zero number are affected though.

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#69312

On 2015-01-29, Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> wrote:
> On 2015-01-28, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> It boils down to business decisions. How many Mac users do you think are
>> effected by this issue? I doubt many.
>
> None. 
>
> A non-zero number are affected though.

Funny, and yet still I doubt hardly the majority are affected. ; ) 

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#69206

On 2015-01-28 04:52:18 +0000, Kevin McMurtrie said:

> In article <cilld1Fd18aU3@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-01-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever
>>> 
>>>> http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probabl
>>>> y-the-worst-file-system-ever.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.
>>> 
>>> Aside from Linus "slight" bias against Apple and HFS+, is there anything
>>> that supports his rant that case insensitive makes for bad file system ?
>>> 
>>> The only thing I could think of is the overhead of having to store the
>>> file name in a normalised fashion (for lookups) and the original
>>> case-preserved filename which is displayed.  (I assume this is how it
>>> works).
>>> 
>>> Is this significant ?
>> 
>> If you have to ask...
>> 
>> The author of the article asserts that case insensitivity "causes a lot
>> of problems", but I have yet to see these supposed problems in the
>> almost 30 years of using HFS in Mac OS. How has it "caused problems" for
>> you?
>> 
>> Useless troll. Good work.
> 
> You don't see any problems because you're totally incapable of
> researching, or even believing that MacOS bugs exist.
> 
> Back when Apple made servers, case insensitivity and numerous unicode
> bugs were found to an actively exploited vulnerability.  Most servers
> have a blacklist for files that may contain sensitive data in a public
> access area.  For example, .htaccess, WEB-INF, .git, .svn, and
> .DS_Store.  Reading or writing those paths with a different case was all
> it took to bypass blacklists.  Even when blacklists were made case
> insensitive, unicode bugs in HFS+ could be exploited with the same
> outcome.

That's a problem of how you construct a blacklist in the context of a 
case insensitive file system, not of the filesytem itself.

> 
> 
> Modern server software will ask the OS to resolve a path and then
> compare that with the original request to see if it has changed, but
> that's not an exact solution.  It's quite complex when you have a mix of
> valid and invalid unicode transformations happening.  Linus was recently
> cursing about these exploits that took advantage of DOS support in
> Windows and unicode bugs in HFS+ to bypass GIT's file blacklists:
> 
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1853266

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#69222

On 2015-01-28, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <cilld1Fd18aU3@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever
>> >
>> >> http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probabl
>> >> y-the-worst-file-system-ever.html
>> >
>> >
>> > His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.
>> >
>> > Aside from Linus "slight" bias against Apple and HFS+, is there anything
>> > that supports his rant that case insensitive makes for bad file system ?
>> >
>> > The only thing I could think of is the overhead of having to store the
>> > file name in a normalised fashion (for lookups) and the original
>> > case-preserved filename which is displayed.  (I assume this is how it
>> > works).
>> >
>> > Is this significant ?
>> 
>> If you have to ask...
>> 
>> The author of the article asserts that case insensitivity "causes a lot
>> of problems", but I have yet to see these supposed problems in the
>> almost 30 years of using HFS in Mac OS. How has it "caused problems" for
>> you?
>> 
>> Useless troll. Good work.
>
> You don't see any problems because you're totally incapable of 
> researching, or even believing that MacOS bugs exist.

Anyone who pays attention here knows that to be false, since I often
discuss and post about Mac OS bugs in this very news group. So you are
trolling as well. You probably have your panties in a twist because I
call you out on your laborious and repetitive hyperbolic HFS rants.
That you feel the need to lie in retribution is just lame. 

> Back when Apple made servers, case insensitivity and numerous unicode 
> bugs were found to an actively exploited vulnerability. Most servers 
> have a blacklist for files that may contain sensitive data in a public 
> access area.  For example, .htaccess, WEB-INF, .git, .svn, and 
> .DS_Store.  Reading or writing those paths with a different case was all 
> it took to bypass blacklists.  Even when blacklists were made case 
> insensitive, unicode bugs in HFS+ could be exploited with the same 
> outcome.
>
>
> Modern server software will ask the OS to resolve a path and then 
> compare that with the original request to see if it has changed, but 
> that's not an exact solution.  It's quite complex when you have a mix of 
> valid and invalid unicode transformations happening.  Linus was recently 
> cursing about these exploits that took advantage of DOS support in 
> Windows and unicode bugs in HFS+ to bypass GIT's file blacklists:
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1853266

So the first and third issues listed are that Git developers assumed
that all file systems are case sensitive by storing/accessing a file of
the same name (where the only difference is case) in the same directory.
This is obviously a bad idea on case insensitive file systems. This is
clearly a bug in Git
- not Mac OS X.

The third issue suggests that HFS could apparently handle Unicode
better. I haven't done research into it, and am perfectly willing to
accept that this may be the case.

Wait a minute, didn't you just say I was *incapable* of believing bugs
exist in Mac OS (I assume you also mean HFS)? Am I to take it I you will
now likewise be *incapable* of believing that I just believed that HFS
Unicode support could be buggy? Lame.

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#69237

Kevin McMurtrie:
> You don't see any problems because you're totally incapable of 
> researching, or even believing that MacOS bugs exist.

If I have to dig into Google to learn that there are bugs in the Mac
OS, i.e., my wife and I are not seeing them in our daily use of our six
Macs, then for us I can only conclude that there are no serious issues
with the Mac OS. YMMV, of course.

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#69238

On 2015-01-28, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Kevin McMurtrie:
>> You don't see any problems because you're totally incapable of 
>> researching, or even believing that MacOS bugs exist.
>
> If I have to dig into Google to learn that there are bugs in the Mac
> OS, i.e., my wife and I are not seeing them in our daily use of our six
> Macs, then for us I can only conclude that there are no serious issues
> with the Mac OS. YMMV, of course.

Kevin has had a huge chip on his shoulder regarding HFS for many years.

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#68982

In article <54c59c6b$0$25069$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever

many people aren't all that impressed with linux or him for that matter.

> > http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probably-
> > the-worst-file-system-ever.html
> 
> His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.

that's a feature. case preserving is the correct way. 

> Aside from Linus "slight" bias against Apple and HFS+, is there anything
> that supports his rant that case insensitive makes for bad file system ?

absolutely no support at all. he's trying to justify not using unicode.

> The only thing I could think of is the overhead of having to store the
> file name in a normalised fashion (for lookups) and the original
> case-preserved filename which is displayed.  (I assume this is how it
> works).
> 
> Is this significant ?

nope.

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#69032

On 2015-01-26 01:46:18 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever
> 
>> http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probably-the-worst-file-system-ever.html 
>> 
> 
> 
> His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.
> 
> Aside from Linus "slight" bias against Apple and HFS+, is there anything
> that supports his rant that case insensitive makes for bad file system ?
> 
> The only thing I could think of is the overhead of having to store the
> file name in a normalised fashion (for lookups) and the original
> case-preserved filename which is displayed.  (I assume this is how it
> works).
> 
> Is this significant ?

The only issue case-insensitivity ever caused for me was back several 
years ago when I ditched Linux as my main desktop OS (because I was 
just fucking sick and tired of always having to fuck with 
Linux/KDE/Gnome to get and/or keep it working right) and moved to OS X. 
 The transfer of my data from EFS to HFS+ had a couple burps cause I 
had a couple folders and files that differed only by the case of the 
letters in the names.  Easily caught and easily corrected.

Really, my only problem with HFS+ now is that is seems pretty slow 
compared to other file systems, especially on external USB media -- and 
REALLY REALLY slow if you encrypt the external volume (but that is 
actually understandable once you realize how USB drives are written to 
differently than magnetic media).

So, a rant based on architecture and optimization of data throughput 
might be useful to hear.  A rant on case sensitivity not so much.

OK, going back into my corner to eat paste, now. (thanks for the vivid 
imagery, Linus).

Jerry

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#69038

In article <54c69af7$0$19857$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>, Jerry
Bishop <jerry.bishop@nowhere.nohow.com> wrote:
> 
> The only issue case-insensitivity ever caused for me was back several 
> years ago when I ditched Linux as my main desktop OS (because I was 
> just fucking sick and tired of always having to fuck with 
> Linux/KDE/Gnome to get and/or keep it working right) and moved to OS X. 
>  The transfer of my data from EFS to HFS+ had a couple burps cause I 
> had a couple folders and files that differed only by the case of the 
> letters in the names.  Easily caught and easily corrected.
> 
> Really, my only problem with HFS+ now is that is seems pretty slow 
> compared to other file systems, especially on external USB media -- and 
> REALLY REALLY slow if you encrypt the external volume (but that is 
> actually understandable once you realize how USB drives are written to 
> differently than magnetic media).
> 
> So, a rant based on architecture and optimization of data throughput 
> might be useful to hear.  A rant on case sensitivity not so much.
> 
> OK, going back into my corner to eat paste, now. (thanks for the vivid 
> imagery, Linus).

I don't know that HFS+ itself is slow, but the Finder certainly is. I
often copy document files from my hard drive to a USB stick (mostly to
back them up), and at one point I did some tests. Using the Finder to
copy say 100MB+ in documents would take a few minutes, whereas using a
third-party sync software to do the same documents usually takes around
one minute. My guess is the Finder does some extra verification of the
copied file and updating the OS desktop files, while the sync sofware
doesn't bother.

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#69040

JF Mezei said:
> > Linus Torvalds: Apple's HFS+ is probably the worst file system ever

> >> http://www.itworld.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probabl
> >> y-the-worst-file-system-ever.html 

> > His hate of HFS+ seems to be focus on its case insensitive nature.

I'm trying to guess the percentage of Mac users who are bothered by
this. I suspect it's somewhere near zero. My advice to Torvalds is "If
you don't like the Mac OS, don't use it. You've got an OS named after
you and it's got the GIMP and a bunch of great server software. Revel
in that and ignore the moviemakers, the musicians, the artists."

Next problem?

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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#69264

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:36:47 -0500
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:


> I'm trying to guess the percentage of Mac users who are bothered by
> this. I suspect it's somewhere near zero. My advice to Torvalds is "If

I wonder how many.

> you don't like the Mac OS, don't use it. You've got an OS named after

I think he does use it.

> you and it's got the GIMP and a bunch of great server software. Revel
> in that and ignore the moviemakers, the musicians, the artists."

This is funny.


 



 

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