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  Mail insecurity Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-09 15:06 -0500
    Re: Mail insecurity Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-09 12:19 -0800
      Re: Mail insecurity Jerry Bishop <jerry.bishop@nowhere.nohow.com> - 2015-01-12 11:07 -0500
        Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-12 16:15 +0000
        Re: Mail insecurity Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-12 12:06 -0800
    Re: Mail insecurity Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-01-09 15:55 -0500
      Re: Mail insecurity Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-10 08:33 -0500
        Re: Mail insecurity Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-01-10 06:30 -0800
        Re: Mail insecurity Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-01-11 09:48 -0500
    Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-09 21:32 +0000
      Re: Mail insecurity android <here@there.was> - 2015-01-11 09:10 +0100
        Re: Mail insecurity Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-11 00:39 -0800
          Re: Mail insecurity android <here@there.was> - 2015-01-11 10:09 +0100
            Re: Mail insecurity Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-11 01:14 -0800
              Re: Mail insecurity android <here@there.was> - 2015-01-11 10:41 +0100
                Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 14:28 +0000
                Re: Mail insecurity Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-11 11:48 -0800
                  Re: Mail insecurity android <here@there.was> - 2015-01-11 20:56 +0100
                    Re: Mail insecurity Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-11 12:04 -0800
                      Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 20:09 +0000
                      Re: Mail insecurity android <here@there.was> - 2015-01-11 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Mail insecurity Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-01-11 12:28 -0800
                        Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 21:49 +0000
                        Re: Mail insecurity Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-11 23:16 +0000
            Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 14:27 +0000
          Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 14:27 +0000
        Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 14:26 +0000
          Re: Mail insecurity android <here@there.was> - 2015-01-11 15:42 +0100
            Re: Mail insecurity Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 14:58 +0000
              Re: Mail insecurity android <here@there.was> - 2015-01-11 16:16 +0100
              Re: Mail insecurity Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-11 19:01 -0500
    Re: Mail insecurity Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2015-01-11 13:19 -0500

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#68273

In article <m8ul0r$kal$1@news.datemas.de>,
 Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> On 2015-01-11 19:56:20 +0000, android said:
> 
> > In article <m8uk37$imf$1@news.datemas.de>,
> >  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> If what you're saying is that when you open an email in html format and
> >> display the images contained within it, that you are them starting a
> >> conversation with a remote server that will then know that you read the
> >> email and a few unimportant details about the system from which you
> >> read it, that's correct.
> > 
> > That wasn't that hard to admit, was it? :-))
> 
> What did I "admit" that I hadn't already said.
> 
> "Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept
> inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p"
> 
> "all the mails": wrong.

All the mails that were tagged... Yes.
> 
> "receipts": Yes. When you preview an html email using Spotlight, 
> someone knows you saw it.

Are you sure that it's supposed to be "an html email" and not "a html 
email"? ;-)
> 
> BFD.
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#68274

On 2015-01-11 20:24:58 +0000, android said:

> In article <m8ul0r$kal$1@news.datemas.de>,
>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-01-11 19:56:20 +0000, android said:
>> 
>>> In article <m8uk37$imf$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If what you're saying is that when you open an email in html format and
>>>> display the images contained within it, that you are them starting a
>>>> conversation with a remote server that will then know that you read the
>>>> email and a few unimportant details about the system from which you
>>>> read it, that's correct.
>>> 
>>> That wasn't that hard to admit, was it? :-))
>> 
>> What did I "admit" that I hadn't already said.
>> 
>> "Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept
>> inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p"
>> 
>> "all the mails": wrong.
> 
> All the mails that were tagged... Yes.

You said that receipts are sent out for all the email...

...and that's wrong.

>> 
>> "receipts": Yes. When you preview an html email using Spotlight,
>> someone knows you saw it.
> 
> Are you sure that it's supposed to be "an html email" and not "a html
> email"? ;-)

You're just a dick.

Goodbye.

>> 
>> BFD.

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#68280

On 2015-01-11, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <m8ul0r$kal$1@news.datemas.de>,
>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-11 19:56:20 +0000, android said:
>> 
>> > In article <m8uk37$imf$1@news.datemas.de>,
>> >  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> If what you're saying is that when you open an email in html format and
>> >> display the images contained within it, that you are them starting a
>> >> conversation with a remote server that will then know that you read the
>> >> email and a few unimportant details about the system from which you
>> >> read it, that's correct.
>> > 
>> > That wasn't that hard to admit, was it? :-))
>> 
>> What did I "admit" that I hadn't already said.
>> 
>> "Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept
>> inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p"
>> 
>> "all the mails": wrong.
>
> All the mails that were tagged... Yes.

No, all of the mails that were *searched* for and *previewed* that
contained web bug images. In other words, not many at all, and nowhere
near "all the mails you've kept inside the Mail database".  You're
wrong, and your troll is lame.
 
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#68287

Okay, so one time? In band camp? android <here@there.was> was all, like:
> Are you sure that it's supposed to be "an html email" and not "a html 
> email"? ;-)

Yes, dumbshit.


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silence of our friends. -Martin Luther King, Jr

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#68237

On 2015-01-11, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <m8tcsj$uj1$1@news.datemas.de>,
>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-11 08:10:54 +0000, android said:
>> 
>> > In article <chavn3F2b8iU3@mid.individual.net>,
>> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> On 2015-01-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> <http://www.itworld.com/article/2867215/glitch-in-os-x-search-can-expose-
>> >>> private-details-of-apple-mail-users.html>
>> >>> 
>> >>> All one line, dat.
>> >> 
>> >> "Insecurity"? Hardly. Emails sent to you with tracking images are
>> >> displayed with the images. Trackers get to know you read an email they
>> >> sent you. The world won't stop spinning, and the security of your
>> >> computer is not compromised. Much ado about essentially nothing. In the
>> >> mean time, Apple will naturally fix it to honor your settings in the
>> >> Mail application.
>> > 
>> > Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept
>> > inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p
>> 
>> What is that other than idle speculation?
>
> You didn't read the article, did you?

You didn't comprehend the article.

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#68236

On 2015-01-11, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> On 2015-01-11 08:10:54 +0000, android said:
>
>> In article <chavn3F2b8iU3@mid.individual.net>,
>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-01-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <http://www.itworld.com/article/2867215/glitch-in-os-x-search-can-expose-
>>>> private-details-of-apple-mail-users.html>
>>>> 
>>>> All one line, dat.
>>> 
>>> "Insecurity"? Hardly. Emails sent to you with tracking images are
>>> displayed with the images. Trackers get to know you read an email they
>>> sent you. The world won't stop spinning, and the security of your
>>> computer is not compromised. Much ado about essentially nothing. In the
>>> mean time, Apple will naturally fix it to honor your settings in the
>>> Mail application.
>> 
>> Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept
>> inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p
>
> What is that other than idle speculation?

Pure bone-headedness fueled by ignorance and jealousy.

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#68235

On 2015-01-11, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <chavn3F2b8iU3@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ><http://www.itworld.com/article/2867215/glitch-in-os-x-search-can-expose-
>> > private-details-of-apple-mail-users.html>
>> >
>> > All one line, dat.
>> 
>> "Insecurity"? Hardly. Emails sent to you with tracking images are
>> displayed with the images. Trackers get to know you read an email they
>> sent you. The world won't stop spinning, and the security of your
>> computer is not compromised. Much ado about essentially nothing. In the
>> mean time, Apple will naturally fix it to honor your settings in the
>> Mail application.
>
> Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept 
> inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p

You clearly don't have a good understanding of the issue at hand.
Spotlight searches may contain email messages in the result sets.
Naturally, if you are searching for specific terms using Spotlight, your
result set won't include all mails in the database, since only a certain
number of them will match your search term. Furthermore, the mere
existence of messages in the result set isn't enough to trigger the
problem. You, the user, must then *select* a message in the Spotlight
results list to *preview* the message, which triggers the image to be
displayed within the preview. That means only a select few messages that
you specifically select and preview will trigger the problem. There's
essentially no way for all messages in the database to be previewed
using this mechanism in a real life scenario. Cute attempt at a troll,
but you've failed. ; )

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#68240

In article <chffh6F72aeU4@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-11, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> > In article <chavn3F2b8iU3@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-01-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ><http://www.itworld.com/article/2867215/glitch-in-os-x-search-can-expose-
> >> > private-details-of-apple-mail-users.html>
> >> >
> >> > All one line, dat.
> >> 
> >> "Insecurity"? Hardly. Emails sent to you with tracking images are
> >> displayed with the images. Trackers get to know you read an email they
> >> sent you. The world won't stop spinning, and the security of your
> >> computer is not compromised. Much ado about essentially nothing. In the
> >> mean time, Apple will naturally fix it to honor your settings in the
> >> Mail application.
> >
> > Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept 
> > inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p
> 
> You clearly don't have a good understanding of the issue at hand.
> Spotlight searches may contain email messages in the result sets.
> Naturally, if you are searching for specific terms using Spotlight, your
> result set won't include all mails in the database, since only a certain
> number of them will match your search term. Furthermore, the mere
> existence of messages in the result set isn't enough to trigger the
> problem. You, the user, must then *select* a message in the Spotlight
> results list to *preview* the message, which triggers the image to be
> displayed within the preview. That means only a select few messages that
> you specifically select and preview will trigger the problem. There's
> essentially no way for all messages in the database to be previewed
> using this mechanism in a real life scenario. Cute attempt at a troll,
> but you've failed. ; )

Most certainly not a troll... But if it was it would have been a 
successful one since you made four replies on one comment...
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#68243

On 2015-01-11, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <chffh6F72aeU4@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> You clearly don't have a good understanding of the issue at hand.
>> Spotlight searches may contain email messages in the result sets.
>> Naturally, if you are searching for specific terms using Spotlight, your
>> result set won't include all mails in the database, since only a certain
>> number of them will match your search term. Furthermore, the mere
>> existence of messages in the result set isn't enough to trigger the
>> problem. You, the user, must then *select* a message in the Spotlight
>> results list to *preview* the message, which triggers the image to be
>> displayed within the preview. That means only a select few messages that
>> you specifically select and preview will trigger the problem. There's
>> essentially no way for all messages in the database to be previewed
>> using this mechanism in a real life scenario. Cute attempt at a troll,
>> but you've failed. ; )
>
> Most certainly not a troll... But if it was it would have been a 
> successful one since you made four replies on one comment...

Only in a troll's mind is a completely untrue troll based on ignorance
and misunderstanding a "successful" troll. 

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#68245

You snipped this:

In article <chfgebF79iaU1@mid.individual.net>, android <here@there.was> 
wrote:

> In article <chffh6F72aeU4@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-01-11, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> > > In article <chavn3F2b8iU3@mid.individual.net>,
> > >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2015-01-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> ><http://www.itworld.com/article/2867215/glitch-in-os-x-search-can-expose
> > >> >-
> > >> > private-details-of-apple-mail-users.html>
> > >> >
> > >> > All one line, dat.
> > >> 
> > >> "Insecurity"? Hardly. Emails sent to you with tracking images are
> > >> displayed with the images. Trackers get to know you read an email they
> > >> sent you. The world won't stop spinning, and the security of your
> > >> computer is not compromised. Much ado about essentially nothing. In the
> > >> mean time, Apple will naturally fix it to honor your settings in the
> > >> Mail application.
> > >
> > > Until then your mail app sends out receipts on all the mails you've kept 
> > > inside the Mail database... Cute! :-p

In article <chfhciF72aeU10@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-11, android <here@there.was> wrote:
> > In article <chffh6F72aeU4@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You clearly don't have a good understanding of the issue at hand.
> >> Spotlight searches may contain email messages in the result sets.
> >> Naturally, if you are searching for specific terms using Spotlight, your
> >> result set won't include all mails in the database, since only a certain
> >> number of them will match your search term. Furthermore, the mere
> >> existence of messages in the result set isn't enough to trigger the
> >> problem. You, the user, must then *select* a message in the Spotlight
> >> results list to *preview* the message, which triggers the image to be
> >> displayed within the preview. That means only a select few messages that
> >> you specifically select and preview will trigger the problem. There's
> >> essentially no way for all messages in the database to be previewed
> >> using this mechanism in a real life scenario. Cute attempt at a troll,
> >> but you've failed. ; )
> >
> > Most certainly not a troll... But if it was it would have been a 
> > successful one since you made four replies on one comment...
> 
> Only in a troll's mind is a completely untrue troll based on ignorance
> and misunderstanding a "successful" troll.

You are "fixed", aren't you? If not: Talk about that simple and painless 
procedure with your family vet tomorrow! ;-p
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#68290

In article <chfhciF72aeU10@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Only in a troll's mind is a completely untrue troll based on ignorance
> and misunderstanding a "successful" troll. 

Tell Kibo that.
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Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
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#68257

On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:06:35 -0500, Warren Oates wrote
(in article <54b034cb$0$56564$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>):

> <http://www.itworld.com/article/2867215/glitch-in-os-x-search-can-expose-
> private-details-of-apple-mail-users.html>
> 
> All one line, dat.
> 

Little Snitch FTW!

-- 
Nelson

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