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  Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-11 09:31 -0500
    Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 14:51 +0000
      Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-11 10:05 -0500
        Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 15:32 +0000
          Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-11 11:53 -0500
            Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 17:01 +0000
              Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-11 12:19 -0500
              Re: Curious - SMS / Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-11 14:06 -0500
              Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-11 19:30 +0000
                Re: Curious - SMS / Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-11 14:49 -0500
                Re: Curious - SMS / Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-01-12 10:14 +1300
                  Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 21:46 +0000
                  Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-11 23:14 +0000
                  Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-11 18:59 -0500
                    Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-12 01:17 +0000
            Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-11 19:30 +0000
        Re: Curious - SMS / Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-11 10:51 -0500
          Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 16:02 +0000
            Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-01-11 10:01 -0800
              Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 18:03 +0000
                Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 18:19 +0000
                Re: Curious - SMS / Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-11 13:42 -0500
              Re: Curious - SMS / Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-11 13:42 -0500
              Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-11 19:28 +0000
    Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2015-01-11 13:45 -0500
      Re: Curious - SMS / Mac jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-01-12 08:12 +1300
      Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-11 18:50 -0500
        Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2015-01-12 10:44 -0500
          Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-12 14:15 -0500
    Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-01-13 09:28 +0100
      Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-13 08:49 -0500
        Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-01-13 14:15 +0000
        Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-13 16:25 +0000
          Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-14 08:05 -0500
            Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-14 08:11 -0500
            Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-14 14:52 +0000
              Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-14 19:24 -0500
        Re: Curious - SMS / Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-13 22:13 +0000

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#68239 — Curious - SMS / Mac

I forgot my iPhone at work on Friday.  It's still there.

But I can still do SMS via Message on my Mac.

Does that mean, since the iPhone is connected to the WiFi at work, that 
messages are flowing to/from the iPhone via the internet which then does 
the SMS traffic?

More specifically via iCloud?

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#68242

On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> I forgot my iPhone at work on Friday.  It's still there.
>
> But I can still do SMS via Message on my Mac.
>
> Does that mean, since the iPhone is connected to the WiFi at work, that 
> messages are flowing to/from the iPhone via the internet which then does 
> the SMS traffic?
>
> More specifically via iCloud?

Yes, although the timing might not be immediate.

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#68244

On 2015.01.11 09:51 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I forgot my iPhone at work on Friday.  It's still there.
>>
>> But I can still do SMS via Message on my Mac.
>>
>> Does that mean, since the iPhone is connected to the WiFi at work, that
>> messages are flowing to/from the iPhone via the internet which then does
>> the SMS traffic?
>>
>> More specifically via iCloud?
>
> Yes, although the timing might not be immediate.

Thx.

Whatever delays are added are well below human perception while 
exchanging some texts.  eg: this am with a friend of mine (Android) 
there was no feeling of delay at all - even with short "When?" / "Today" 
/ "OK" type exchanges.

Rough path:
	My Mac -> Apple (Xing international border; cc: CSIS, NSA)
	Apple -> my iPhone (Xing international border; cc: NSA, CSIS)
	my iPhone (SMS) -> my cellco.
	my cellco -> his cellco.
	his cellco -> his android.

Add to that all the little bits of protocol/encryption/decryption, etc.

The seamlessness is getting almost spooky.

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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#68246

On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.01.11 09:51 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I forgot my iPhone at work on Friday.  It's still there.
>>>
>>> But I can still do SMS via Message on my Mac.
>>>
>>> Does that mean, since the iPhone is connected to the WiFi at work, that
>>> messages are flowing to/from the iPhone via the internet which then does
>>> the SMS traffic?
>>>
>>> More specifically via iCloud?
>>
>> Yes, although the timing might not be immediate.
>
> Thx.
>
> Whatever delays are added are well below human perception while 
> exchanging some texts.  eg: this am with a friend of mine (Android) 
> there was no feeling of delay at all - even with short "When?" / "Today" 
> / "OK" type exchanges.
>
> Rough path:
> 	My Mac -> Apple (Xing international border; cc: CSIS, NSA)
> 	Apple -> my iPhone (Xing international border; cc: NSA, CSIS)
> 	my iPhone (SMS) -> my cellco.
> 	my cellco -> his cellco.
> 	his cellco -> his android.
>
> Add to that all the little bits of protocol/encryption/decryption, etc.
>
> The seamlessness is getting almost spooky.

Yep, it's quite nice to be able to pick up your phone and continue a
conversation you were having on your computer (or vice versa).

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#68249

On 2015.01.11 10:32 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015.01.11 09:51 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I forgot my iPhone at work on Friday.  It's still there.
>>>>
>>>> But I can still do SMS via Message on my Mac.
>>>>
>>>> Does that mean, since the iPhone is connected to the WiFi at work, that
>>>> messages are flowing to/from the iPhone via the internet which then does
>>>> the SMS traffic?
>>>>
>>>> More specifically via iCloud?
>>>
>>> Yes, although the timing might not be immediate.
>>
>> Thx.
>>
>> Whatever delays are added are well below human perception while
>> exchanging some texts.  eg: this am with a friend of mine (Android)
>> there was no feeling of delay at all - even with short "When?" / "Today"
>> / "OK" type exchanges.
>>
>> Rough path:
>> 	My Mac -> Apple (Xing international border; cc: CSIS, NSA)
>> 	Apple -> my iPhone (Xing international border; cc: NSA, CSIS)
>> 	my iPhone (SMS) -> my cellco.
>> 	my cellco -> his cellco.
>> 	his cellco -> his android.
>>
>> Add to that all the little bits of protocol/encryption/decryption, etc.
>>
>> The seamlessness is getting almost spooky.
>
> Yep, it's quite nice to be able to pick up your phone and continue a
> conversation you were having on your computer (or vice versa).

Well, we had that before with the Message service - as long as the other 
party was using a Mac or iOS device.  Now the inclusion of SMS (as long 
as you have an SMSing iPhone) is the really nice part.

Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!

But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I 
could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't 
work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on 
the MBA at work.

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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#68250

On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!

It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
forth. That would be really handy.

> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I 
> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't 
> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on 
> the MBA at work.

They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.

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#68252

On 2015.01.11 12:01 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!
>
> It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
> forth. That would be really handy.
>
>> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I
>> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't
>> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on
>> the MBA at work.
>
> They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.

Makes sense.  But the other should be feasible - but could have some 
messy time delay issues.

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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#68261

On 15-01-11 12:01, Jolly Roger wrote:

> They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.

Phone would have to take the GSM phone call, convert it to Facetime,
send it to Apple, Apple then sends it to your desktop. latency would be
an issue with the long hops to the Apple servers, especially overseas if
the servers at in the USA.

Since voice is done in-LAN, this is why I originally though that the SMS
to iMessage was also done in-LAN. But there, latency is not an issue and
it can hop around the world before returning to the device right next to it.

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#68266

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like:
> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!

> It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
> forth. That would be really handy.

>> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I 
>> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't 
>> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on 
>> the MBA at work.

> They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.

No, just physically close to each other.

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#68269

On 15-01-11 14:30, Lewis wrote:

>> They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.
> 
> No, just physically close to each other.


Bluetooth ?

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#68277

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all,
> like:
> > On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!
> 
> > It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
> > forth. That would be really handy.
> 
> >> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I
> >> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't
> >> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on
> >> the MBA at work.
> 
> > They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.
> 
> No, just physically close to each other.

For phone calling, they have to be on the same network. The iPhone
requires Wi-Fi to transfer the call to another device running iOS 8 or
Yosemite. Apple doesn't clarify whether the Mac can be on Ethernet
(bridged to the Wi-Fi network the iPhone is using) and I don't think I
have tried, but I expect this will be fine, as it really just requires a
local network connection.

For some reason phone calling doesn't use the Handoff or Instant Hotspot
method of establishing the connection via Bluetooth then creating a
point-to-point Wi-Fi network on demand.

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT6337

One piece of evidence is that the Wi-Fi calling mechanism is supported
on all iPhone models which run iOS 8, including the iPhone 4S which
doesn't have Bluetooth 4.0. It also works will all Macs that run
Yosemite, not just those which have Bluetooth 4.0 (and which Apple has
deemed worthy to support the Continuity features which require
Bluetooth).

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT6555

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#68279

On 2015-01-11, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all,
>> like:
>> > On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!
>> 
>> > It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
>> > forth. That would be really handy.
>> 
>> >> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I
>> >> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't
>> >> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on
>> >> the MBA at work.
>> 
>> > They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.
>> 
>> No, just physically close to each other.
>
> For phone calling, they have to be on the same network. The iPhone
> requires Wi-Fi to transfer the call to another device running iOS 8 or
> Yosemite.

That's what I figured. Thanks for clarifying.

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#68286

Okay, so one time? In band camp? David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> was all, like:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all,
>> like:
>> > On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!
>> 
>> > It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
>> > forth. That would be really handy.
>> 
>> >> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I
>> >> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't
>> >> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on
>> >> the MBA at work.
>> 
>> > They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.
>> 
>> No, just physically close to each other.

> For phone calling, they have to be on the same network. The iPhone
> requires Wi-Fi to transfer the call to another device running iOS 8 or
> Yosemite. Apple doesn't clarify whether the Mac can be on Ethernet
> (bridged to the Wi-Fi network the iPhone is using) and I don't think I
> have tried, but I expect this will be fine, as it really just requires a
> local network connection.

> For some reason phone calling doesn't use the Handoff or Instant Hotspot
> method of establishing the connection via Bluetooth then creating a
> point-to-point Wi-Fi network on demand.

Ah, thanks for posting that. I thought it *did* use the adhoc hotspot to
transfer the call, and I was sure I'd done that with my phone in the
past.

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#68289

On 2015.01.11 16:14 , David Empson wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all,
>> like:
>>> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!
>>
>>> It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
>>> forth. That would be really handy.
>>
>>>> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I
>>>> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't
>>>> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on
>>>> the MBA at work.
>>
>>> They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.
>>
>> No, just physically close to each other.
>
> For phone calling, they have to be on the same network. The iPhone
> requires Wi-Fi to transfer the call to another device running iOS 8 or
> Yosemite. Apple doesn't clarify whether the Mac can be on Ethernet
> (bridged to the Wi-Fi network the iPhone is using) and I don't think I
> have tried, but I expect this will be fine, as it really just requires a
> local network connection.

Thanks David.

And yes: phone calls do handoff to my iMac via a wired ethernet 
connection when my iPhone is at home.


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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#68291

On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.01.11 16:14 , David Empson wrote:
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all,
>>> like:
>>>> On 2015-01-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also - picking up calls via the Mac is cool too!
>>>
>>>> It's neat, though I wish you could transfer in-progress calls back and
>>>> forth. That would be really handy.
>>>
>>>>> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I
>>>>> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.  So I guess it either doesn't
>>>>> work via the internet (LAN only?) and/or the call was being picked up on
>>>>> the MBA at work.
>>>
>>>> They probably both have to be on the same net/subnet.
>>>
>>> No, just physically close to each other.
>>
>> For phone calling, they have to be on the same network. The iPhone
>> requires Wi-Fi to transfer the call to another device running iOS 8 or
>> Yosemite. Apple doesn't clarify whether the Mac can be on Ethernet
>> (bridged to the Wi-Fi network the iPhone is using) and I don't think I
>> have tried, but I expect this will be fine, as it really just requires a
>> local network connection.
>
> Thanks David.
>
> And yes: phone calls do handoff to my iMac via a wired ethernet 
> connection when my iPhone is at home.

Same here. 

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#68265

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> was all, like:
> But - I just tried calling my iPhone (which is at the office) but I 
> could not pick up the call on my Mac here.

Call pickup requires proximity.



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#68247

On 15-01-11 10:05, Alan Browne wrote:

> Rough path:
> 	My Mac -> Apple (Xing international border; cc: CSIS, NSA)
> 	Apple -> my iPhone (Xing international border; cc: NSA, CSIS)
> 	my iPhone (SMS) -> my cellco.
> 	my cellco -> his cellco.
> 	his cellco -> his android.

Is it documented that the flow goes through the Apple servers instead of
the Mac connecting directly to the iPhone ?

I was thinking that the Mac and iPhone would get to know about each
other's IP address via Bonjour on the LAN and then exchange data directly.

However, if it worked with a phone outside of the LAN, I guess Apple is
involved in some way.

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#68248

On 2015-01-11, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-01-11 10:05, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Rough path:
>> 	My Mac -> Apple (Xing international border; cc: CSIS, NSA)
>> 	Apple -> my iPhone (Xing international border; cc: NSA, CSIS)
>> 	my iPhone (SMS) -> my cellco.
>> 	my cellco -> his cellco.
>> 	his cellco -> his android.
>
> Is it documented that the flow goes through the Apple servers instead of
> the Mac connecting directly to the iPhone ?
>
> I was thinking that the Mac and iPhone would get to know about each
> other's IP address via Bonjour on the LAN and then exchange data directly.
>
> However, if it worked with a phone outside of the LAN, I guess Apple is
> involved in some way.

It does go through Apple, and it is encrypted.

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#68254

On 1/11/2015 8:02 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

>>> Rough path:
>>> 	My Mac -> Apple (Xing international border; cc: CSIS, NSA)
>>> 	Apple -> my iPhone (Xing international border; cc: NSA, CSIS)
>>> 	my iPhone (SMS) -> my cellco.
>>> 	my cellco -> his cellco.
>>> 	his cellco -> his android.
>>
>> Is it documented that the flow goes through the Apple servers instead of
>> the Mac connecting directly to the iPhone ?
>>
>> I was thinking that the Mac and iPhone would get to know about each
>> other's IP address via Bonjour on the LAN and then exchange data directly.
>>
>> However, if it worked with a phone outside of the LAN, I guess Apple is
>> involved in some way.
>
> It does go through Apple, and it is encrypted.

But does Apple have access to them even with warrants?
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On 2015-01-11, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 1/11/2015 8:02 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>>> Rough path:
>>>> 	My Mac -> Apple (Xing international border; cc: CSIS, NSA)
>>>> 	Apple -> my iPhone (Xing international border; cc: NSA, CSIS)
>>>> 	my iPhone (SMS) -> my cellco.
>>>> 	my cellco -> his cellco.
>>>> 	his cellco -> his android.
>>>
>>> Is it documented that the flow goes through the Apple servers instead of
>>> the Mac connecting directly to the iPhone ?
>>>
>>> I was thinking that the Mac and iPhone would get to know about each
>>> other's IP address via Bonjour on the LAN and then exchange data directly.
>>>
>>> However, if it worked with a phone outside of the LAN, I guess Apple is
>>> involved in some way.
>>
>> It does go through Apple, and it is encrypted.
>
> But does Apple have access to them even with warrants?

<http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/27/apple-explains-exactly-how-secure-imessage-really-is/>

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