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  When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-28 21:54 -0800
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-28 23:58 -0700
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-28 23:31 -0800
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 09:00 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-30 13:45 -0600
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 04:34 -0500
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-30 00:37 +1300
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 15:12 +0000
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 17:51 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 22:58 +0000
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:24 -0500
                    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 23:34 +0000
                    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:05 -0500
                      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-31 01:08 +0000
                        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-30 20:17 -0500
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-12-29 23:26 +0000
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:09 +0000
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:26 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 18:32 -0500
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 23:36 +0000
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:55 -0500
                    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 19:08 -0500
                      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:08 -0500
                        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-30 20:03 -0500
                          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 01:45 +0000
                            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-12-30 22:29 -0500
                              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 00:58 -0500
                                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 13:56 +0000
                                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 16:50 -0500
                                    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 22:10 +0000
                                      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 17:44 -0500
                                        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-01 00:16 +0000
                                          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-01 01:07 -0500
                                            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-01 16:10 +0000
                                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-01 22:04 -0500
                                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-02 03:24 +0000
                            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-31 00:56 -0500
                              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-31 14:01 +0000
                    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 00:25 +0000
                      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 21:07 -0500
                        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 03:32 +0000
                          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-30 09:41 +0000
                            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 16:42 +0000
                      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 21:15 -0500
                        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-30 03:37 +0000
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-30 02:36 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 11:53 -0500
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-12-30 00:37 +1300
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2014-12-29 11:40 -0500
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 02:18 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:28 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 15:11 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 08:43 -0800
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 16:59 +0000
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-12-29 09:22 -0800
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-12-29 12:32 -0800
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 21:13 +0000
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 10:41 -0700
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-12-28 23:51 -0800
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 08:59 +0000
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 06:34 -0800
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 06:45 -0800
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-12-29 10:31 -0500
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 09:24 -0700
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 08:48 -0800
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 10:42 -0700
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 11:57 -0800
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 20:09 +0000
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-12-29 12:55 -0800
                  Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-12-29 17:51 -0700
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 17:53 -0500
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-12-29 12:59 -0500
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:14 +0000
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-12-29 17:47 -0500
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 22:56 +0000
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:16 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-12-29 18:03 -0800
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-12-30 18:41 +1300
              Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 14:47 +0000
                Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:53 -0500
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-29 23:11 +0000
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:54 -0800
          Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-31 08:23 -0800
            Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-12-31 17:43 +0000
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-12-29 09:16 -0500
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-12-29 10:05 -0500
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-12-29 15:09 +0000
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Piso Mojado <conserje@trapeador.net> - 2014-12-29 17:42 -0500
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2014-12-29 18:57 -0800
        Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Piso Mojado <conserje@trapeador.net> - 2014-12-30 08:41 -0500
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 11:27 -0800
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-01-01 15:52 -0600
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-01 23:37 +0000
    Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-02 17:50 -0800
      Re: When will Yosemite be safe to use? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-02 20:55 -0500

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#67947

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On 2014-12-29 00:59:47 -0800, Lewis said:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> was 
> all, like:
>> When will Yosemite be safe to use?
> 
> When it was released.
> 
>> So it appears that Yosemite is still too dangerous to use.
> 
> If that is what you choose to beleive based on 500 out of... 20,000,000?
> Go right ahead.

It's not 500 our of 20 million.  So far it's 256 out of 579 that rated 
Yosemite with one star out of five, which is over 50 percent of 
reviewers who gave it a one-star score.  

There are many laments among the reviews, such as "worst OS ever" and 
people writing that they had reverted to a previous OS or withing that 
they were able to.

Of course there are always complaints about new operating systems, but 
it seems this one in particular is being loathed by many.

Obviously, the Apple Web site's Yosemite download page is not the only 
center for customer reviews on Yosemite.  There are thousands of other 
centers for feedback where people are also likely giving similarly 
preponderantly negative feedback.

And are you sure the Yosemite Web page it's a very inaccurate overview 
of cusomer sentiment?  I'm self-employed and I get feedback from my 
customers all the time.  In terms of negative or positive feedback, the 
feedback I get is almost 100 percent positive all the time (close to a 
five-star rating) -- both by email and verbally.  I find that if my 
customers love my products, many of them will enthusiastically express 
that feeling to me.  

So I've postponed my own 'upgrade'.
> 
> Your loss.

Tom Evans

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#67948

On 2014-12-29 06:34:14 -0800, Tom Evans said:

> On 2014-12-29 00:59:47 -0800, Lewis said:
> 
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> was 
>> all, like:
>>> When will Yosemite be safe to use?
>> 
>> When it was released.
>> 
>>> So it appears that Yosemite is still too dangerous to use.
>> 
>> If that is what you choose to beleive based on 500 out of... 20,000,000?
>> Go right ahead.
> 
> It's not 500 our of 20 million.  So far it's 256 out of 579 that rated 
> Yosemite with one star out of five, which is over 50 percent of 
> reviewers who gave it a one-star score.
> 
> There are many laments among the reviews, such as "worst OS ever" and 
> people writing that they had reverted to a previous OS or withing that 
> they were able to.
> 
> Of course there are always complaints about new operating systems, but 
> it seems this one in particular is being loathed by many.
> 
> Obviously, the Apple Web site's Yosemite download page is not the only 
> center for customer reviews on Yosemite.  There are thousands of other 
> centers for feedback where people are also likely giving similarly 
> preponderantly negative feedback.
> 
> And are you sure the Yosemite Web page it's a very inaccurate overview 
> of cusomer sentiment?  I'm self-employed and I get feedback from my 
> customers all the time.  In terms of negative or positive feedback, the 
> feedback I get is almost 100 percent positive all the time (close to a 
> five-star rating) -- both by email and verbally.  I find that if my 
> customers love my products, many of them will enthusiastically express 
> that feeling to me.
> 
> So I've postponed my own 'upgrade'.
>> 
>> Your loss.
> 
> Tom Evans

And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their 
love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved 
Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on 
the Yosemite download page.

There are far more one-star reviews than five-star reviews on that 
page.  There are 150 one-star reviews out of 579, which is less than 
one in four, and only a small percentage gave a four- or three-star 
raview.

Tom 

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#67953

Tom Evans:
> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their 
> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved 
> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on 
> the Yosemite download page.

> There are far more one-star reviews than five-star reviews on that 
> page.  There are 150 one-star reviews out of 579, which is less than 
> one in four, and only a small percentage gave a four- or three-star 
> raview.

You're giving weight to a meaningless sample. That small number of
raters is in no way representative of the wider cohort of Yosemite
users. Maybe if one could poll all Yosemite users 98% would hate it,
vice versa--I don't know. But I know that the sample you're dwelling on
is meaningless.

And I know that Yosemite works just fine on five of my Macs of various
ages.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#67955

In article <2014122906453132177-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their 
> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved 
> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on 
> the Yosemite download page.

Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.

People who don't like something are more prone to complain about it
than people who like it are prone to go out of their way to praise it.

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#67958

On 2014-12-29 08:24:11 -0800, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <2014122906453132177-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
>> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their
>> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved
>> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on
>> the Yosemite download page.
> 
> Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
> or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.

What I referred to was the Mac app store, which leads to the Yosemite 
download page, which also contains the user reviews on the same page as 
the download link.

> People who don't like something are more prone to complain about it
> than people who like it are prone to go out of their way to praise it.

True.

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#67963

In article <2014122908480924527-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> >> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their
> >> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved
> >> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on
> >> the Yosemite download page.
> > 
> > Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
> > or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.
> 
> What I referred to was the Mac app store, which leads to the Yosemite 
> download page, 

Huh?  When I upgraded to Yosemite, it was done all within the Mac App
Store; it didn't lead me to any download page.

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#67966

On 2014-12-29 09:42:56 -0800, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <2014122908480924527-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
>>>> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their
>>>> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved
>>>> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on
>>>> the Yosemite download page.
>>> 
>>> Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
>>> or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.
>> 
>> What I referred to was the Mac app store, which leads to the Yosemite
>> download page,
> 
> Huh?  When I upgraded to Yosemite, it was done all within the Mac App
> Store; it didn't lead me to any download page.

When I type apple.ca and then search on the resulting page for 
Yosemite, this page appears:
http://www.apple.com/ca/search/?q=yosemite

When I click on the top link, titled "Yosemite", this page appears:
http://www.apple.com/ca/osx/?cid=jm.

Then, when I click on either of the "Upgrdade Now" buttons, the page 
with the Download button button at the top and the reviews appear below 
the first screen-full.  That page doesn't have a URL bar, so I can't 
give the URL

Tom

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#67967

On 2014-12-29, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On 2014-12-29 09:42:56 -0800, Michelle Steiner said:
>
>> In article <2014122908480924527-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
>> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their
>>>>> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved
>>>>> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on
>>>>> the Yosemite download page.
>>>> 
>>>> Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
>>>> or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.
>>> 
>>> What I referred to was the Mac app store, which leads to the Yosemite
>>> download page,
>> 
>> Huh?  When I upgraded to Yosemite, it was done all within the Mac App
>> Store; it didn't lead me to any download page.
>
> When I type apple.ca

That's in a web browser. We are talking about the App Store. You can
access it from the Apple menu.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#67969

On 12/29/14   PDT 11:57 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
> On 2014-12-29 09:42:56 -0800, Michelle Steiner said:
>
>> In article <2014122908480924527-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
>> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their
>>>>> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved
>>>>> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on
>>>>> the Yosemite download page.
>>>>
>>>> Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
>>>> or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.
>>>
>>> What I referred to was the Mac app store, which leads to the Yosemite
>>> download page,
>>
>> Huh?  When I upgraded to Yosemite, it was done all within the Mac App
>> Store; it didn't lead me to any download page.
>
> When I type apple.ca and then search on the resulting page for Yosemite,
> this page appears:
> http://www.apple.com/ca/search/?q=yosemite
>
> When I click on the top link, titled "Yosemite", this page appears:
> http://www.apple.com/ca/osx/?cid=jm.
>
> Then, when I click on either of the "Upgrdade Now" buttons, the page
> with the Download button button at the top and the reviews appear below
> the first screen-full.  That page doesn't have a URL bar, so I can't
> give the URL
>
I reached the page- had but three reviews on it:

<https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=915041082&mt=12&ls=1>

There is probably a link to other reviews but did not see it.

The first was written by a moron who couldn't figure out how to download 
it, and has major problems with everything. It was one star.

There were two others, both with four stars.

Where is the page of over 100 bad reviews?

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#67991

In article <2014122911573239560-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> >>>> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their
> >>>> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved
> >>>> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on
> >>>> the Yosemite download page.
> >>> 
> >>> Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
> >>> or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.
> >> 
> >> What I referred to was the Mac app store, which leads to the Yosemite
> >> download page,
> > 
> > Huh?  When I upgraded to Yosemite, it was done all within the Mac App
> > Store; it didn't lead me to any download page.
> 
> When I type apple.ca and then search on the resulting page for 
> Yosemite, this page appears:
> http://www.apple.com/ca/search/?q=yosemite
> 
> When I click on the top link, titled "Yosemite", this page appears:
> http://www.apple.com/ca/osx/?cid=jm.

You are not talking about the Mac App Store app; you are talking about
a web browser.

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#67974

On 14-12-29 12:42, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> Huh?  When I upgraded to Yosemite, it was done all within the Mac App
> Store; it didn't lead me to any download page.


As I recall, when you run the installation script, it spends a large
amount of time downloading stuff.

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#67964

On 2014-12-29 16:48:09 +0000, Tom Evans said:

> On 2014-12-29 08:24:11 -0800, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
>> In article <2014122906453132177-tomevans9890@yahooca>, Tom Evans
>> <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their
>>> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved
>>> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on
>>> the Yosemite download page.
>> 
>> Most of them simply use it, and don't even know about the comments page
>> or even the download page; they get it through the Mac App Store.
> 
> What I referred to was the Mac app store, which leads to the Yosemite 
> download page, which also contains the user reviews on the same page as 
> the download link.

On the same page, perhaps, but below the view of most, I'd guess, as my 
2888x1800 Retina display has it "below the fold" if you will.

So if they don't even see the reviews, how does the ordinary person 
even know that they can leave one?
> 
>> People who don't like something are more prone to complain about it
>> than people who like it are prone to go out of their way to praise it.
> 
> True.

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#67979

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> was all, like:
> On 2014-12-29 06:34:14 -0800, Tom Evans said:

>> On 2014-12-29 00:59:47 -0800, Lewis said:
>> 
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> was 
>>> all, like:
>>>> When will Yosemite be safe to use?
>>> 
>>> When it was released.
>>> 
>>>> So it appears that Yosemite is still too dangerous to use.
>>> 
>>> If that is what you choose to beleive based on 500 out of... 20,000,000?
>>> Go right ahead.
>> 
>> It's not 500 our of 20 million.  So far it's 256 out of 579 that rated 
>> Yosemite with one star out of five, which is over 50 percent of 
>> reviewers who gave it a one-star score.
>> 
>> There are many laments among the reviews, such as "worst OS ever" and 
>> people writing that they had reverted to a previous OS or withing that 
>> they were able to.
>> 
>> Of course there are always complaints about new operating systems, but 
>> it seems this one in particular is being loathed by many.
>> 
>> Obviously, the Apple Web site's Yosemite download page is not the only 
>> center for customer reviews on Yosemite.  There are thousands of other 
>> centers for feedback where people are also likely giving similarly 
>> preponderantly negative feedback.
>> 
>> And are you sure the Yosemite Web page it's a very inaccurate overview 
>> of cusomer sentiment?  I'm self-employed and I get feedback from my 
>> customers all the time.  In terms of negative or positive feedback, the 
>> feedback I get is almost 100 percent positive all the time (close to a 
>> five-star rating) -- both by email and verbally.  I find that if my 
>> customers love my products, many of them will enthusiastically express 
>> that feeling to me.
>> 
>> So I've postponed my own 'upgrade'.
>>> 
>>> Your loss.
>> 
>> Tom Evans

> And what the millions of the Mac addictts who love to express their 
> love of things that they love about Apple?  I think if they loved 
> Yoseimte, a larger percentage of them would write positive reviews on 
> the Yosemite download page.

Why? I have never once felt compelled to write a review for any Apple
product on the Mac App Store, except for a negative review for 10.8
Server.

Like most people, I am thousands of times more likely to leave a review
if I have a criticism to make, even if the overall review is positive:

"Really love this product, 4.5 stars, but it needs more cowbell."

-- 
I NO LONGER WANT MY MTV Bart chalkboard Ep. 3G02

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#67972

BTW, for a laptop, Yosemite compared to Snow Leopard gives an "Activity
Monitor" that is extremely useful in detecting power (electricity) users
at the process level.

Found out some innocusous temperature monitor was on of the biggest user
of power because it woke up every second. Adjusted its parameters and it
make quite a difference in power use.

Where Apple fails with its new versions is proper education of users on
how Apple expects them to change how they work. As a result, I suspect
few people make use of the new stuff and try to disable the new stuff.

I still gave no clue about Spaces/Mission Control/whatever not only what
it is capable of or how to use it and have no inclination to start a
archeological search on the internet to find a good web site to teach
me. So it goes unused.

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#67975

On 2014-12-29, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> I still gave no clue about Spaces/Mission Control/whatever not only what
> it is capable of or how to use it and have no inclination to start a
> archeological search on the internet to find a good web site to teach
> me. So it goes unused.

I am so happy I don't use that approach technology.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#67980

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like:
> On 2014-12-29, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I still gave no clue about Spaces/Mission Control/whatever not only what
>> it is capable of or how to use it and have no inclination to start a
>> archeological search on the internet to find a good web site to teach
>> me. So it goes unused.

> I am so happy I don't use that approach technology.

I find it fascinating that anyone needs a tutorial to hit F3.


-- 
Kid 1: What are the four horsemen of the apocalypse?
Dad: War, death, famine and pestilence.
Kid 2: You forgot flatulence!

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#67992

On 2014-12-29 22:47:50 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:

> BTW, for a laptop, Yosemite compared to Snow Leopard gives an "Activity
> Monitor" that is extremely useful in detecting power (electricity) users
> at the process level.
> 
> Found out some innocusous temperature monitor was on of the biggest user
> of power because it woke up every second. Adjusted its parameters and it
> make quite a difference in power use.
> 
> Where Apple fails with its new versions is proper education of users on
> how Apple expects them to change how they work. As a result, I suspect
> few people make use of the new stuff and try to disable the new stuff.
> 
> I still gave no clue about Spaces/Mission Control/whatever not only what
> it is capable of or how to use it and have no inclination to start a
> archeological search on the internet to find a good web site to teach
> me. So it goes unused.

Do you mean you haven't even tried *Spaces* on your OSX 10.6 Mac?
Personally I found *Spaces* very useful on SL and even though the 
implementation is slightly different with Mavericks & Yosemite, It is a 
valuable tool which helps clean up much screen clutter with open 
application windows, giving me multiple desktops.

On this Mac (OSX 10.10.1) I have 4 active *Spaces*, and the ability to 
add more as needed.
I have a photo editing space in which I have Photoshop and Lightroom 
running. Another space is used for internet, another for 
communications, email, etc., and one for other stuff such as Usenet.

Things look something like this:
<https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1111.jpg>

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#68005

In article <2014122918033073423-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-12-29 22:47:50 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:
> > 
> > BTW, for a laptop, Yosemite compared to Snow Leopard gives an "Activity
> > Monitor" that is extremely useful in detecting power (electricity) users
> > at the process level.
> > 
> > Found out some innocusous temperature monitor was on of the biggest user
> > of power because it woke up every second. Adjusted its parameters and it
> > make quite a difference in power use.
> > 
> > Where Apple fails with its new versions is proper education of users on
> > how Apple expects them to change how they work. As a result, I suspect
> > few people make use of the new stuff and try to disable the new stuff.
> > 
> > I still gave no clue about Spaces/Mission Control/whatever not only what
> > it is capable of or how to use it and have no inclination to start a
> > archeological search on the internet to find a good web site to teach
> > me. So it goes unused.
> 
> Do you mean you haven't even tried *Spaces* on your OSX 10.6 Mac?
> Personally I found *Spaces* very useful on SL and even though the 
> implementation is slightly different with Mavericks & Yosemite, It is a 
> valuable tool which helps clean up much screen clutter with open 
> application windows, giving me multiple desktops.
> 
> On this Mac (OSX 10.10.1) I have 4 active *Spaces*, and the ability to 
> add more as needed.
> I have a photo editing space in which I have Photoshop and Lightroom 
> running. Another space is used for internet, another for 
> communications, email, etc., and one for other stuff such as Usenet.
> 
> Things look something like this:
> <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1111.jpg>

Very few people in the real world know things like Spaces, Mission
Control, etc. are even there*, let alone have any actual need for it.
Most people have *EXTREMELY* simply needs.

* Except when they accidently click on a Dock icon, press a keyboard
shortcut, or something and then wonder "What is this? How do I get out
of it?"

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#68071

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:41:17 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:

> In article <2014122918033073423-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-12-29 22:47:50 +0000, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:
> > > 
> > > BTW, for a laptop, Yosemite compared to Snow Leopard gives an "Activity
> > > Monitor" that is extremely useful in detecting power (electricity) users
> > > at the process level.
> > > 
> > > Found out some innocusous temperature monitor was on of the biggest user
> > > of power because it woke up every second. Adjusted its parameters and it
> > > make quite a difference in power use.
> > > 
> > > Where Apple fails with its new versions is proper education of users on
> > > how Apple expects them to change how they work. As a result, I suspect
> > > few people make use of the new stuff and try to disable the new stuff.
> > > 
> > > I still gave no clue about Spaces/Mission Control/whatever not only what
> > > it is capable of or how to use it and have no inclination to start a
> > > archeological search on the internet to find a good web site to teach
> > > me. So it goes unused.
> > 
> > Do you mean you haven't even tried *Spaces* on your OSX 10.6 Mac?
> > Personally I found *Spaces* very useful on SL and even though the 
> > implementation is slightly different with Mavericks & Yosemite, It is a 
> > valuable tool which helps clean up much screen clutter with open 
> > application windows, giving me multiple desktops.
> > 
> > On this Mac (OSX 10.10.1) I have 4 active *Spaces*, and the ability to 
> > add more as needed.
> > I have a photo editing space in which I have Photoshop and Lightroom 
> > running. Another space is used for internet, another for 
> > communications, email, etc., and one for other stuff such as Usenet.
> > 
> > Things look something like this:
> > <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1111.jpg>
> 
> Very few people in the real world know things like Spaces, Mission
> Control, etc. are even there*, let alone have any actual need for it.
> Most people have *EXTREMELY* simply needs.
> 
> * Except when they accidently click on a Dock icon, press a keyboard
> shortcut, or something and then wonder "What is this? How do I get out
> of it?"

With OS/2 I was a heavy user of the Spaces equivalent (I forget what
it was called in OS/2). When the time came that I decided I had to 
abandon OS/2 and move on, I was reluctant to move to Mac because 
10.4 didn't have a Spaces capability. However, when I learned that I
could have a second monitor attached to an iMac I decided to go 
ahead and found that with two monitors I could get along quite well 
without Spaces. Now I have a 27" iMac and a 19" aux monitor; with 
all that display real estate I don't find any need for Spaces and 
have never bothered to learn how to invoke it.

-- 
John Varela

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#68083

On 15-01-01 09:47, John Varela wrote:

> 10.4 didn't have a Spaces capability. However, when I learned that I
> could have a second monitor attached to an iMac I decided to go 
> ahead and found that with two monitors I could get along quite well 
> without Spaces. Now I have a 27" iMac and a 19" aux monitor; with 
> all that display real estate I don't find any need for Spaces and 
> have never bothered to learn how to invoke it.

I have 3 monitors (one being a 60" 1080p TV on wall which I often use to
read long documents).

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