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  Replace system fonts in Yosemite Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-07 08:26 -0500
    Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite - updated Contrast, iTunes issue Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-07 10:37 -0500
    Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-08-07 16:03 +0000
      Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-07 12:35 -0400
        Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-07 12:08 -0500
          Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-07 12:19 -0500
            Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-07 13:42 -0400
            Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-08 09:05 +1200
              Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-07 16:49 -0500
          Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-07 13:42 -0400
        Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-08-08 18:45 +0000
      Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-08-07 20:50 -0700
        Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-08 16:20 +1200
          Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-08 07:45 -0500
            Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-08 12:19 -0400
            Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-09 10:21 +1200
    Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-08 07:39 -0500

#63077 — Replace system fonts in Yosemite

Being of the stubborn version of person, I decided that since Apple 
thinks they need a new upgraded OS with shitty fonts that certainly 
someone figgered out a way to replace them.

So I reinstalled Yosemite beta and then found this :
https://github.com/jenskutilek/FiraSystemFontReplacement

Looks better and is on a per user basis, simple to implement too!!

Give it a whirl and see what you think.

Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!

-- 
Lloyd

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#63082 — Re: Replace system fonts in Yosemite - updated Contrast, iTunes issue

On 2014-08-07 13:26:26 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> Being of the stubborn version of person, I decided that since Apple 
> thinks they need a new upgraded OS with shitty fonts that certainly 
> someone figgered out a way to replace them.
> 
> So I reinstalled Yosemite beta and then found this :
> https://github.com/jenskutilek/FiraSystemFontReplacement
> 
> Looks better and is on a per user basis, simple to implement too!!
> 
> Give it a whirl and see what you think.
> 
> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!

I've been playing around with this all morning.  Finally found areas 
that can be changed to make Yosemite tolerable if not excellent in 
Accessibility inside the System Preferences on non-retina displays.

Changed Display Contrast a bit and things got much better.  Played with 
the desktop backgrounds and found a few that make things much more to 
my liking.

I also tried 'reduced transparency' but found that looks better to me 
with that not selected after I changed the Display Contrast, same goes 
for the 'increase contrast' checkbox.  Unchecked looks better to me.

One thing I did find out was with iTunes.  Once you go to Yosemite and 
get the iTunes 12 beta, the library .itl file gets changed and will not 
work with iTunes 11.x.  For those that have their iTunes library on the 
same drive as everything else and did a clone backup, that won't be an 
issue.  In my case it was as my iTunes library is on the drive attached 
to my TimeCapsule.

-- 
Lloyd

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#63083

Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!

Figger out your NDA first.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#63084

In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> > Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
> 
> Figger out your NDA first.

apple has relaxed their nda and talking about yosemite or ios 8 is not
only allowed, but encouraged.

what you can't do is post screen shots or review it yet because it
might change between now and final.

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#63085

On 2014-08-07 16:35:43 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>>> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
>> 
>> Figger out your NDA first.
> 
> apple has relaxed their nda and talking about yosemite or ios 8 is not
> only allowed, but encouraged.
> 
> what you can't do is post screen shots or review it yet because it
> might change between now and final.

Yeah they did that when they released the public beta.  Frankly I think 
it was because of the issues being raised over the UI changes.

The Yosemite beta is being discussed all over the 'net these days.

-- 
Lloyd

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#63086

On 2014-08-07 17:08:44 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> On 2014-08-07 16:35:43 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
>>> 
>>> Figger out your NDA first.
>> 
>> apple has relaxed their nda and talking about yosemite or ios 8 is not
>> only allowed, but encouraged.
>> 
>> what you can't do is post screen shots or review it yet because it
>> might change between now and final.
> 
> Yeah they did that when they released the public beta.  Frankly I think 
> it was because of the issues being raised over the UI changes.
> 
> The Yosemite beta is being discussed all over the 'net these days.

Seems it is even being discussed some in the official Apple forums:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5522398

-- 
Lloyd

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#63088

In article <c4hqpgFgd1eU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> > The Yosemite beta is being discussed all over the 'net these days.
> 
> Seems it is even being discussed some in the official Apple forums:
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5522398

yep. discussion is not only allowed, but it's encouraged.

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#63089

In article <c4hqpgFgd1eU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2014-08-07 17:08:44 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
> > On 2014-08-07 16:35:43 +0000, nospam said:
> >> In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, Kirˆ°ly <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
> >>> 
> >>> Figger out your NDA first.
> >> 
> >> apple has relaxed their nda and talking about yosemite or ios 8 is not
> >> only allowed, but encouraged.
> >> 
> >> what you can't do is post screen shots or review it yet because it
> >> might change between now and final.
> > 
> > Yeah they did that when they released the public beta.  Frankly I think 
> > it was because of the issues being raised over the UI changes.
> > 
> > The Yosemite beta is being discussed all over the 'net these days.
> 
> Seems it is even being discussed some in the official Apple forums:
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5522398

That's where you're meant to discuss it since that is more likely to be
where someone from Apple actually reads, rather than the various other
newsgroups and web-forums.

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#63092

> In article <c4hqpgFgd1eU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-08-07 17:08:44 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
>> > On 2014-08-07 16:35:43 +0000, nospam said:
>> >> In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, Kirˆ°ly <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
>> >>>
>> >>> Figger out your NDA first.
>> >>
>> >> apple has relaxed their nda and talking about yosemite or ios 8 is not
>> >> only allowed, but encouraged.
>> >>
>> >> what you can't do is post screen shots or review it yet because it
>> >> might change between now and final.
>> >
>> > Yeah they did that when they released the public beta.  Frankly I think
>> > it was because of the issues being raised over the UI changes.
>> >
>> > The Yosemite beta is being discussed all over the 'net these days.
>>
>> Seems it is even being discussed some in the official Apple forums:
>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5522398
>
> That's where you're meant to discuss it since that is more likely to be
> where someone from Apple actually reads, rather than the various other
> newsgroups and web-forums.
>
While I'm sure there are Apple folks there reading, they don't respond with identifying that.

Where they really want discussion is in the feedback app.  As I've found things that are wrong or I don't like, I've sent a feedback to them.  To be honest, I don't expect anything major like the UI fonts and skinny lines to actually be changed, one can always hope.


--


Lloyd
from SurfacePro via NewsgroupsRT

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#63087

In article <c4hq4sFg8kjU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> >>> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
> >> 
> >> Figger out your NDA first.
> > 
> > apple has relaxed their nda and talking about yosemite or ios 8 is not
> > only allowed, but encouraged.
> > 
> > what you can't do is post screen shots or review it yet because it
> > might change between now and final.
> 
> Yeah they did that when they released the public beta.  Frankly I think 
> it was because of the issues being raised over the UI changes.

actually it was well before the public beta, at wwdc.

all of the wwdc videos have been public and xcode 6 is available
*without* a paid account. that's all new.

> The Yosemite beta is being discussed all over the 'net these days.

everything is discussed on the 'net, nda or not. that's just how it is.
many web sites have anonymous email accounts for leaks. 

even when apple had an nda restricting things, it all got posted
anyway, including screen shots and release notes, and apple didn't do a
thing, which means they didn't actually care.

it's not possible to nda hundreds of thousands of people, who for $99
can find out the secrets.

they finally realized that, so now it's relaxed.

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#63102

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > Figger out your NDA first.
> 
> apple has relaxed their nda and talking about yosemite or ios 8 is not
> only allowed, but encouraged.

My mistake. I was looking at The original NDA available at 
https://appleseed.apple.com/agreements/EA1172_OSXBPA.pdf
which still hasn't been updated with the new info.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#63095

In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) 
wrote:

> Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
> 
> Figger out your NDA first.

Public betas are supposed to be discussed.  That's why they exist.

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#63096

In article <mcmurtrie-DD2E67.20504107082014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > > Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
> > 
> > Figger out your NDA first.
> 
> Public betas are supposed to be discussed.  That's why they exist.

Discussed, yes, although really it's meant to be discussed with Apple
so they can fix bugs, make changes they feel are warranted, etc.

Discussions in general public arenas depends on *what* parts you're
discussing ...

   "Those taking part in the scheme [OS X Mavericks Public Beta]
    may discuss information Apple chooses to reveal, but other 
    discussions must be limited to Apple's dedicated discussion 
    boards. This secrecy is reinforced by Apple's requirement 
    that members of the program must be of legal age, which means
    they can be prosecuted for breaking confidentiality. If you
    choose to sign up, you're asked to agree to share feedback
    with Apple using the Feedback Assistant app that appears in
    your Dock once you begin participating in the scheme."

Of cours, few of the dweebs signing up probably bothered to actually
read the agreement.

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#63099

On 2014-08-08 04:20:12 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <mcmurtrie-DD2E67.20504107082014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
> McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> 
>> In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
>>> 
>>> Figger out your NDA first.
>> 
>> Public betas are supposed to be discussed.  That's why they exist.
> 
> Discussed, yes, although really it's meant to be discussed with Apple
> so they can fix bugs, make changes they feel are warranted, etc.
> 
> Discussions in general public arenas depends on *what* parts you're
> discussing ...
> 
>    "Those taking part in the scheme [OS X Mavericks Public Beta]
>     may discuss information Apple chooses to reveal, but other
>     discussions must be limited to Apple's dedicated discussion
>     boards. This secrecy is reinforced by Apple's requirement
>     that members of the program must be of legal age, which means
>     they can be prosecuted for breaking confidentiality. If you
>     choose to sign up, you're asked to agree to share feedback
>     with Apple using the Feedback Assistant app that appears in
>     your Dock once you begin participating in the scheme."
> 
> Of cours, few of the dweebs signing up probably bothered to actually
> read the agreement.

Since Apple showed off Yosemite so well at the WWDC keynote, which was 
very public, there's little you can't discuss that wasn't already 
showed.

The things that aren't being discussed much by those that got the 
public beta are those things that have to do with the 
interaction/sharing between the Mac and iOS devices since there isn't a 
public beta of iOS8.

Almost all that I have posted in public forums has to do with the UI 
and that was VERY prominent at the keynote.

One comment I see repeated in many places is that Yosemite looks great 
on retina devices and not so good on non-retina devices.  I'd agree 
with that with the exception that I don't think Yosemite looks great on 
anything, but it has a much better look and feel on a retina device.

The problem is that none of the iMacs have retina, and not all the laptops do.

-- 
Lloyd

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#63101

In article <c4jv39Ftti1U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> Since Apple showed off Yosemite so well at the WWDC keynote, which was 
> very public, there's little you can't discuss that wasn't already 
> showed.

anything publicly shown is not under nda at all, which includes the
keynote. ndas do not cover public information.

the sessions *after* the keynote were not public, and are subject to
the nda.

however, this year, they basically said talk all you want, just no
screen shots.

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#63103

In article <c4jv39Ftti1U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2014-08-08 04:20:12 +0000, Your Name said:
> 
> > In article <mcmurtrie-DD2E67.20504107082014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
> > McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <ls0809$tut$1@dont-email.me>, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kirˆ°ly)
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >>>> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!
> >>> 
> >>> Figger out your NDA first.
> >> 
> >> Public betas are supposed to be discussed.  That's why they exist.
> > 
> > Discussed, yes, although really it's meant to be discussed with Apple
> > so they can fix bugs, make changes they feel are warranted, etc.
> > 
> > Discussions in general public arenas depends on *what* parts you're
> > discussing ...
> > 
> >    "Those taking part in the scheme [OS X Mavericks Public Beta]
> >     may discuss information Apple chooses to reveal, but other
> >     discussions must be limited to Apple's dedicated discussion
> >     boards. This secrecy is reinforced by Apple's requirement
> >     that members of the program must be of legal age, which means
> >     they can be prosecuted for breaking confidentiality. If you
> >     choose to sign up, you're asked to agree to share feedback
> >     with Apple using the Feedback Assistant app that appears in
> >     your Dock once you begin participating in the scheme."
> > 
> > Of cours, few of the dweebs signing up probably bothered to actually
> > read the agreement.
> 
> Since Apple showed off Yosemite so well at the WWDC keynote, which was 
> very public, there's little you can't discuss that wasn't already 
> showed.

You could be surprised by what turns up in the final release ...
although Apple wouldn't be stupid enough to put such things in the
Public Beta anyway.




> The things that aren't being discussed much by those that got the 
> public beta are those things that have to do with the 
> interaction/sharing between the Mac and iOS devices since there isn't a 
> public beta of iOS8.
> 
> Almost all that I have posted in public forums has to do with the UI 
> and that was VERY prominent at the keynote.

You said: 
   "Public betas are supposed to be discussed. That's why they exist."

I'm simply telling you that there are limits to what you are allowed to
discuss and where. To find out what those are, you should have read the
agreement you 'signed" by joining up to the Beta test programme.




> One comment I see repeated in many places is that Yosemite looks great 
> on retina devices and not so good on non-retina devices.  I'd agree 
> with that with the exception that I don't think Yosemite looks great on 
> anything, but it has a much better look and feel on a retina device.
> 
> The problem is that none of the iMacs have retina, and not all the laptops do.

Yet. Eventually they will. Whether the rumoured Retina iMac is released
about the same time as Yosemite is a different question.

It's also possible that Apple will include a setting or auto-adjust
feature in the final release that helps with the problems on non-Retina
displays.

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#63098

On 2014-08-07 13:26:26 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> Being of the stubborn version of person, I decided that since Apple 
> thinks they need a new upgraded OS with shitty fonts that certainly 
> someone figgered out a way to replace them.
> 
> So I reinstalled Yosemite beta and then found this :
> https://github.com/jenskutilek/FiraSystemFontReplacement
> 
> Looks better and is on a per user basis, simple to implement too!!
> 
> Give it a whirl and see what you think.
> 
> Now I need to figger out some contrasty coloring!

After a few days with this new font set, I've found that for almost 
everything it is a much better look and very much easier to read.  But 
in some few areas the fonts get a little squirrely.

For instance in system preferences -->users & groups, if you want to 
make a change and click the lock, it prompts for a password, but the 
font is just garbage.  Fortunately the blank for the password is 
obvious.

So it isn't a perfect font set, but it is more than good enough right now.

-- 
Lloyd

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