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  Back to Mavericks!! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-05 19:38 -0500
    Re: Back to Mavericks!! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-06 01:28 +0000
      Re: Back to Mavericks!! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-05 20:48 -0500
        Re: Back to Mavericks!! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-06 15:31 +1200
          Re: Back to Mavericks!! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-06 04:52 +0000
        Re: Back to Mavericks!! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-05 21:22 -0700
          Re: Back to Mavericks!! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-06 07:13 -0500
            Re: Back to Mavericks!! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-06 12:00 -0700
              Re: Back to Mavericks!! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-06 14:09 -0500
    Re: Back to Mavericks!! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-08-05 20:48 -0500
      Re: Back to Mavericks!! Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-05 20:55 -0500

#63049 — Back to Mavericks!!

My eyes just sent me the nicest thank you for trashing the horrid visual that is the Yosemite UI!!

Enough is enough.  From poor font selections to the sadly pale, pale colorings, Yosemite as it exists in the beta just isn't meant for my old eyes.

Mavericks is truly a fine sight for old eyes!

--


Lloyd
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#63050

On 2014-08-06, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> My eyes just sent me the nicest thank you for trashing the horrid visual that is the Yosemite UI!!
>
> Enough is enough.  From poor font selections to the sadly pale, pale colorings, Yosemite as it exists in the beta just isn't meant for my old eyes.
>
> Mavericks is truly a fine sight for old eyes!

Did you tell Apple about this? I mean that's the whole point of a public
beta...

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JR

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#63051

> On 2014-08-06, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> My eyes just sent me the nicest thank you for trashing the horrid visual that is the Yosemite UI!!
>>
>> Enough is enough.  From poor font selections to the sadly pale, pale colorings, Yosemite as it exists in the beta just isn't meant for my old eyes.
>>
>> Mavericks is truly a fine sight for old eyes!
>
> Did you tell Apple about this? I mean that's the whole point of a public
> beta...
>
> --
> E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
> I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
>
> JR
>
Absolutely, I gave the feedback and told them I was going back to Mavericks.

Unfortunately from reading in various forums it seems I'm in a minority position.  I guess most are younger or have better eyes.  For me it was painful to view.


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Lloyd
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#63054

In article <c4dfr0Fj4g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-08-06, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> My eyes just sent me the nicest thank you for trashing the horrid visual
> >> that is the Yosemite UI!!
> >>
> >> Enough is enough.  From poor font selections to the sadly pale, pale
> >> colorings, Yosemite as it exists in the beta just isn't meant for my old
> >> eyes.
> >>
> >> Mavericks is truly a fine sight for old eyes!
> >
> > Did you tell Apple about this? I mean that's the whole point of a public
> > beta...
> 
> Absolutely, I gave the feedback and told them I was going back to Mavericks.
> 
> Unfortunately from reading in various forums it seems I'm in a minority
> position.  I guess most are younger or have better eyes.  For me it was
> painful to view.

You're not in the minority. Many people hate the silly "new look". It
was horrible on iOS and it's horrible on OS X. Unfortunately it's
doubtful that it will change Johnny Ive's fixated mindset and the only
way either OS will get back to looking decent and usable is when he is
no longer allowed to screw about with the software ... which could well
be too long.  :-(

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#63056

On 2014-08-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> You're not in the minority. Many people hate the silly "new look". It
> was horrible on iOS and it's horrible on OS X. Unfortunately it's
> doubtful that it will change Johnny Ive's fixated mindset and the only
> way either OS will get back to looking decent and usable is when he is
> no longer allowed to screw about with the software ... which could well
> be too long.  :-(

Meh. Apple did add settings to iOS to address most of my concerns. I
suspect similar things will happen for OS X. These little issues are
hardly show stoppers for me.

-- 
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JR

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#63055

In article <c4dfr0Fj4g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately from reading in various forums it seems I'm in a minority
> position.  I guess most are younger or have better eyes.  For me it was
> painful to view.

If I'm younger, it's not by much; I'm approaching my 72nd birthday.  My
eyes might be better than yours because of my cataract surgery about
six months ago.  But I don't find the problems with Yosemite that you
do.

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#63058

On 2014-08-06 04:22:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <c4dfr0Fj4g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunately from reading in various forums it seems I'm in a minority
>> position.  I guess most are younger or have better eyes.  For me it was
>> painful to view.
> 
> If I'm younger, it's not by much; I'm approaching my 72nd birthday.  My
> eyes might be better than yours because of my cataract surgery about
> six months ago.  But I don't find the problems with Yosemite that you
> do.

You're a little older than me.  I had my cataract surgery last summer 
and it really helped in distance and clarity, but close up is still an 
issue for me.  Doesn't help that I'm slightly color blind.

-- 
Lloyd

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#63065

In article <lrt64j$jda$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2014-08-06 04:22:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
> > In article <c4dfr0Fj4g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
> > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Unfortunately from reading in various forums it seems I'm in a minority
> >> position.  I guess most are younger or have better eyes.  For me it was
> >> painful to view.
> > 
> > If I'm younger, it's not by much; I'm approaching my 72nd birthday.  My
> > eyes might be better than yours because of my cataract surgery about
> > six months ago.  But I don't find the problems with Yosemite that you
> > do.
> 
> You're a little older than me.  I had my cataract surgery last summer 
> and it really helped in distance and clarity, but close up is still an 
> issue for me.  Doesn't help that I'm slightly color blind.

I had monovision correction, so under normal conditions, I don't need
eyeglasses.  For small print and/or reading in bed, I do.  In dim
light, I do too, but I can usually use my iPhone as a flashlight to
overcome that.  (Reading in bed because I hold the book closer to my
face than I would while reading elsewhere.)

I also need distance glasses when driving at night once streetlights
and, especially, headlights come on.

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#63066

On 2014-08-06 19:00:32 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <lrt64j$jda$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-08-06 04:22:12 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>> 
>>> In article <c4dfr0Fj4g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
>>> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately from reading in various forums it seems I'm in a minority
>>>> position.  I guess most are younger or have better eyes.  For me it was
>>>> painful to view.
>>> 
>>> If I'm younger, it's not by much; I'm approaching my 72nd birthday.  My
>>> eyes might be better than yours because of my cataract surgery about
>>> six months ago.  But I don't find the problems with Yosemite that you
>>> do.
>> 
>> You're a little older than me.  I had my cataract surgery last summer
>> and it really helped in distance and clarity, but close up is still an
>> issue for me.  Doesn't help that I'm slightly color blind.
> 
> I had monovision correction, so under normal conditions, I don't need
> eyeglasses.  For small print and/or reading in bed, I do.  In dim
> light, I do too, but I can usually use my iPhone as a flashlight to
> overcome that.  (Reading in bed because I hold the book closer to my
> face than I would while reading elsewhere.)

I just got the single vision lenses inserted.  So its reading glasses 
for me!!  :)

I don't mind them at all and have 4 pair of differing strengths 
depending on what I'm doing.  For playing music I keep one pair at the 
organ, the computer has 2 and my bedroom has one pair.  I read in bed, 
but on a Nook lit e-ink device.

My biggest problem with the way the UI is on Yosemite is the use of 
shades of the same color to dilineate sections like the tabs in Safari. 
 The shading is just too close and I can't see the breaks.  And the 
very thinness of lines and font outlines is no joy either.

I've been using Mavericks today and my eyes are not nearly as tired as 
they get when I was using Yosemite.  For those that don't have these 
issues I suppose Yosemite will be fine, even if they don't actually 
like it.  For me, I not only do not like the look and feel, it is 
detrimental to my eyes.

> 
> I also need distance glasses when driving at night once streetlights
> and, especially, headlights come on.

Yeah, headlights give me some issues, enough so that I don't drive at 
night much these days.  Since I'm mostly a day person anyway that isn't 
an issue.

-- 
Lloyd

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#63052

On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 19:38:47 -0500, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> 
wrote:
> My eyes just sent me the nicest thank you for trashing the horrid 
> visual that is the Yosemite UI!!
>
> Enough is enough.  From poor font selections to the sadly pale, pale 
> colorings, Yosemite as it exists in the beta just isn't meant for my 
> old eyes.
>
> Mavericks is truly a fine sight for old eyes!

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>
> Lloyd
> from SurfacePro via NewsgroupsRT

Yes, I am delighted to hear that you tried Yosemite on your SurfacePro 
and sorry you didn't like how it looked.  Or were you confused and 
actually looking at Windows 8?  ;-)

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#63053

> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 19:38:47 -0500, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
> wrote:
>> My eyes just sent me the nicest thank you for trashing the horrid
>> visual that is the Yosemite UI!!
>>
>> Enough is enough.  From poor font selections to the sadly pale, pale
>> colorings, Yosemite as it exists in the beta just isn't meant for my
>> old eyes.
>>
>> Mavericks is truly a fine sight for old eyes!
>
> <snip separator>
>
>>
>> Lloyd
>> from SurfacePro via NewsgroupsRT
>
> Yes, I am delighted to hear that you tried Yosemite on your SurfacePro
> and sorry you didn't like how it looked.  Or were you confused and
> actually looking at Windows 8?  ;-)
>
Your smiley noted.

I use my Surface Pro when I'm watching TV from the recliner.  The size and layout is very good for that.  My MBPr is mostly a desktop replacement as the 13" size is too big for real lap use in the recliner, I know I've tried.

As to how Windows 8 looks, well it is one hell of a lot better looking than Yosemite imo.  Real contrast, real color instead of pale to washed out as Yosemite wants to present.  And lines and fonts that are actually readable.

The overall flatness of Yosemite isn't a concern.  I'm not fond of it, but it isn't enough to make me get all a dither about it.


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