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  Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 19:21 -0700
    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-30 14:35 +1200
      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 22:03 -0700
        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-30 17:55 +1200
          Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 00:26 -0700
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2014-07-30 12:21 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:10 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 07:57 -0700
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:06 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 07:58 -0700
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 15:25 +0000
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 18:03 -0700
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 01:56 +0000
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:23 +0000
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:13 +0000
    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 02:36 +0000
      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 22:10 -0700
        Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:16 +0000
          Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:46 -0700
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:48 +0000
            Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 00:40 +0000
              Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 12:57 +0200
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 07:04 -0400
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 13:42 +0200
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 12:52 +0000
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 09:00 -0400
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-02 13:36 +0000
                    Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-02 13:48 -0400
                      Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-08-03 08:43 +1000
                Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 12:48 +0000
                  Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-02 15:37 +0200

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#62615 — Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite

I have another domain that accesses a POP3 server.  I can't receive
mail from that account, running Yosemite; I can receive mail from that
account on my iPad and iPhone (iOS 7.1.2).  I've checked and
double-checked the password.

It's only this one account; I can receive mail from another POP3 server
at a different domain.

Any relevant suggestions?

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#62616

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> I have another domain that accesses a POP3 server.  I can't receive
> mail from that account, running Yosemite; I can receive mail from that
> account on my iPad and iPhone (iOS 7.1.2).  I've checked and
> double-checked the password.
> 
> It's only this one account; I can receive mail from another POP3 server
> at a different domain.
> 
> Any relevant suggestions?

Assuming Yosemite's Mail has the same diagnostic features as earlier
versions (I haven't looked), go to the Window menu, choose Connection
Doctor, click the Show Detail button, then the Check Again button. The
output in the panel at the bottom has details of the connection with all
servers, but they are interleaved so you need to look for matching
socket/thread values to string together communication with a particular
server. (You can copy the text out and paste it into something else like
TextWrangler for easier browsing.)

Passwords are not displayed in the text, but other information like
account names and server names are visible, so you may prefer not to
post it publically in raw form.

That might provide clues as to why this particular POP3 account is not
working.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#62624

In article <1lplph4.1aa6riw3b6xzeN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> Assuming Yosemite's Mail has the same diagnostic features as earlier
> versions (I haven't looked), go to the Window menu, choose Connection
> Doctor, click the Show Detail button, then the Check Again button. The
> output in the panel at the bottom has details of the connection with all
> servers, but they are interleaved so you need to look for matching
> socket/thread values to string together communication with a particular
> server. (You can copy the text out and paste it into something else like
> TextWrangler for easier browsing.)
> 
> Passwords are not displayed in the text, but other information like
> account names and server names are visible, so you may prefer not to
> post it publically in raw form.
> 
> That might provide clues as to why this particular POP3 account is not
> working.

There's just too much there for me to winnow out what is relevant.

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#62627

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <1lplph4.1aa6riw3b6xzeN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> 
> > Assuming Yosemite's Mail has the same diagnostic features as earlier
> > versions (I haven't looked), go to the Window menu, choose Connection
> > Doctor, click the Show Detail button, then the Check Again button. The
> > output in the panel at the bottom has details of the connection with all
> > servers, but they are interleaved so you need to look for matching
> > socket/thread values to string together communication with a particular
> > server. (You can copy the text out and paste it into something else like
> > TextWrangler for easier browsing.)
> > 
> > Passwords are not displayed in the text, but other information like
> > account names and server names are visible, so you may prefer not to
> > post it publically in raw form.
> > 
> > That might provide clues as to why this particular POP3 account is not
> > working.
> 
> There's just too much there for me to winnow out what is relevant.

Here is a better method, which was new in Mavericks so I hadn't tried it
yet. At the bottom of the Connection Doctor window check the "Log
Connection Activity" option, then click "Check Again", then uncheck "Log
Connection Activity", then click "Show Logs", which opens Mail's Logs
folder in Finder. (The "Show Detail" state doesn't matter.)

This separates out the communication dialogue with each server into a
separate log file, each of which has a name starting with a UUID, then a
hyphen, then the server domain name, ending with ".txt". If you leave
logging enabled, they will keep accumulating subsequent connections.

Look for a file with a name ending with the domain name of the offending
mail server, then open that in your favourite text editor.

The important details:

Lines showing actions taken by Mail start with an action description,
then a date and time, host, port, socket and thread fields.

Other non-blank lines are either text written to or read from the
server. The direction can be identfied by whether they follow a READ or
WROTE action line.

What you should see is this pattern:

INITIATING CONNECTION

CONNECTED

READ, showing the initial prompt from the server.

WROTE, showing the first POP3 command sent to the server. This is
probably CAPA, which asks for server capabilities.

READ, showing the capability list, ending with a "." line.

WROTE, sending the USER command.

READ, showing the response to that command.

WROTE, sending the PASS command (assuming the simplest protocol
variant).

READ, showing the response to that command. If the username and password
were accepted, this should start with "+OK".

WROTE, sending the QUIT command.

READ, showing the response to that command.


If something is going wrong, it may fail to connect at all (in which
case you won't get a CONNECTED), or one of the early messages READ from
the server may indicate the problem. Mail should be showing some kind of
error message if it fails to connect, but who knows what new bugs have
been introduced in Mail for Yosemite.

You can delete the log files once you've finished investigating this.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#62629

In article <1lply2v.1mjc5fa8wj48aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> Here is a better method, which was new in Mavericks so I hadn't tried it
> yet. At the bottom of the Connection Doctor window check the "Log
> Connection Activity" option, then click "Check Again", then uncheck "Log
> Connection Activity", then click "Show Logs", which opens Mail's Logs
> folder in Finder.

Here is the result; I replaced the name of domain with "placeholder". 
It says "wrong password", but I know that it is the correct password.

INITIATING CONNECTION Jul 30 00:19:23.242 host:mail.placeholder.com --
port:995 -- socket:0x0 -- thread:0x610000469880

CONNECTED Jul 30 00:19:23.440 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
thread:0x610000469880

READ Jul 30 00:19:23.472 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
thread:0x610000469880
+OK <421.1406704763@pop.secureserver.net>

WROTE Jul 30 00:19:23.475 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
thread:0x610000469880
CAPA

READ Jul 30 00:19:23.508 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
thread:0x610000469880
-ERR authorization first

WROTE Jul 30 00:19:23.509 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
thread:0x610000469880
APOP michelle@placeholder.com 738fc6587a45a10d411867f34f4df289

READ Jul 30 00:19:23.596 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
thread:0x610000469880
warning: auth_error: authorization failed (authorization failed wrong
password)

READ Jul 30 00:19:23.628 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
thread:0x610000469880
-ERR authorization failed  Check your server settings.

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#62631

In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Here is the result; I replaced the name of domain with "placeholder". 

> +OK <421.1406704763@pop.secureserver.net>

You almost changed it.

Best advice I can give is turn off the SSL on that account and try it
plain on port 110.

If it seems to work, go back and turn the SSL back on. Then see what
happens.

It could be a cert issue with Yosemite that connection doctor is reporting
back a password issue, but it's not.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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#62633

On 2014-07-30, Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> Here is the result; I replaced the name of domain with "placeholder". 
>
>> +OK <421.1406704763@pop.secureserver.net>
>
> You almost changed it.
>
> Best advice I can give is turn off the SSL on that account and try it
> plain on port 110.
>
> If it seems to work, go back and turn the SSL back on. Then see what
> happens.
>
> It could be a cert issue with Yosemite that connection doctor is reporting
> back a password issue, but it's not.

Yeah, but don't leave SSL turned off, as that will reduce the security
of your email transmissions. 

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JR

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#62637

In article <lrao10$n2n$1@remote5bge0.ripco.com>, Bruce Esquibel
<bje@ripco.com> wrote:

> > Here is the result; I replaced the name of domain with "placeholder". 
> 
> > +OK <421.1406704763@pop.secureserver.net>
> 
> You almost changed it.

That's not my domain; it's one of GoDaddy's domains.

> Best advice I can give is turn off the SSL on that account and try it
> plain on port 110.

Didn't help.  *sigh*

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#62632

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <1lply2v.1mjc5fa8wj48aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
><dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
>> Here is a better method, which was new in Mavericks so I hadn't tried it
>> yet. At the bottom of the Connection Doctor window check the "Log
>> Connection Activity" option, then click "Check Again", then uncheck "Log
>> Connection Activity", then click "Show Logs", which opens Mail's Logs
>> folder in Finder.
>
> Here is the result; I replaced the name of domain with "placeholder". 
> It says "wrong password", but I know that it is the correct password.
>
> INITIATING CONNECTION Jul 30 00:19:23.242 host:mail.placeholder.com --
> port:995 -- socket:0x0 -- thread:0x610000469880
>
> CONNECTED Jul 30 00:19:23.440 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
>
> READ Jul 30 00:19:23.472 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> +OK <421.1406704763@pop.secureserver.net>
>
> WROTE Jul 30 00:19:23.475 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> CAPA
>
> READ Jul 30 00:19:23.508 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> -ERR authorization first
>
> WROTE Jul 30 00:19:23.509 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> APOP michelle@placeholder.com 738fc6587a45a10d411867f34f4df289
>
> READ Jul 30 00:19:23.596 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> warning: auth_error: authorization failed (authorization failed wrong
> password)
>
> READ Jul 30 00:19:23.628 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> -ERR authorization failed  Check your server settings.

The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#62638

In article <c3s8uvFhmuU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.

Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
one.

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#62639

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On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c3s8uvFhmuU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.
>
> Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
> one.

Not according to the log you listed.

Have you tried contacting your email service provider for assistance?
Surely they can tell you which settings you should be using.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#62653

In article <c3sh36F287aU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.
> >
> > Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
> > one.
> 
> Not according to the log you listed.
> 
> Have you tried contacting your email service provider for assistance?
> Surely they can tell you which settings you should be using.

I took an easier way out; I'm switching from godaddy to hostmonster. 
This will dump that POP3 server in favor of an IMAP server and
consolidate both of my domains with the same registrar and hosting
service.  It's something that I've been thinking of doing for quite a
while anyway, and this problem got me off my inertia.

Hostmonster is charging me only for a one-year extension of the
registration ($11.99).

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#62654

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.apps.]
On 2014-07-31, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c3sh36F287aU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.
>> >
>> > Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
>> > one.
>> 
>> Not according to the log you listed.
>> 
>> Have you tried contacting your email service provider for assistance?
>> Surely they can tell you which settings you should be using.
>
> I took an easier way out; I'm switching from godaddy to hostmonster. 
> This will dump that POP3 server in favor of an IMAP server and
> consolidate both of my domains with the same registrar and hosting
> service.  It's something that I've been thinking of doing for quite a
> while anyway, and this problem got me off my inertia.
>
> Hostmonster is charging me only for a one-year extension of the
> registration ($11.99).

That'll do!  I doubt you would get very effective help from GoDaddy
anyway. They are pretty much bottom of the barrel. : D

-- 
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JR

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#62720

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:58:16 -0700 <300720140758168260%michelle@michelle.org>
> In article <c3s8uvFhmuU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> The email server says you supplied the incorrect password.

> Yes, I know that's what it says, but I know that I supplied the correct
> one.

Yes, but the SERVER says it was wrong, so... nothing you can do about
it. Copy and paste the password from cleartext into to different
connection types, Mail.app and something that works. Then file a bug
report detailing what you did (and the real name of the server you are
connecting to).

-- 
Love is strange and you have to learn to take the crunchy with the
smooth I suppose

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#62634

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <1lply2v.1mjc5fa8wj48aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
><dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> Here is the result; I replaced the name of domain with "placeholder". 
> It says "wrong password", but I know that it is the correct password.
>
[snip]
>
> WROTE Jul 30 00:19:23.509 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_0] --
> host:mail.placeholder.com -- port:995 -- socket:0x6080006a2d60 --
> thread:0x610000469880
> APOP michelle@placeholder.com 738fc6587a45a10d411867f34f4df289

You are using Authenticated POP, which some server configurations do not
support. You might try changing Mail Preferences > Accounts > (Your
Account) > Advanced > Authentication to "Password" rather than APOP.

Your email service provider should tell you which settings you should be
using.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#62617

On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> I have another domain that accesses a POP3 server.  I can't receive
> mail from that account, running Yosemite; I can receive mail from that
> account on my iPad and iPhone (iOS 7.1.2).  I've checked and
> double-checked the password.
>
> It's only this one account; I can receive mail from another POP3 server
> at a different domain.
>
> Any relevant suggestions?

I take it you are using Apple's Mail client? Have you checked the
Activity and Connection Doctor windows to see what the email server
returns when you attempt to connect?

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#62625

In article <c3r41rFnr2fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > I have another domain that accesses a POP3 server.  I can't receive
> > mail from that account, running Yosemite; I can receive mail from that
> > account on my iPad and iPhone (iOS 7.1.2).  I've checked and
> > double-checked the password.
> >
> > It's only this one account; I can receive mail from another POP3 server
> > at a different domain.
> >
> > Any relevant suggestions?
> 
> I take it you are using Apple's Mail client? 

Yes.

> Have you checked the Activity and Connection Doctor windows to see
> what the email server returns when you attempt to connect?

The activity window flashes text and the blue progress bar and clears
itself immediately.

The Connection Doctor has too much stuff in it to let me find anything
relevant.

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#62717

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:10:48 -0700 <290720142210483265%michelle@michelle.org>
> In article <c3r41rFnr2fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> > I have another domain that accesses a POP3 server.  I can't receive
>> > mail from that account, running Yosemite; I can receive mail from that
>> > account on my iPad and iPhone (iOS 7.1.2).  I've checked and
>> > double-checked the password.
>> >
>> > It's only this one account; I can receive mail from another POP3 server
>> > at a different domain.
>> >
>> > Any relevant suggestions?
>> 
>> I take it you are using Apple's Mail client? 

> Yes.

>> Have you checked the Activity and Connection Doctor windows to see
>> what the email server returns when you attempt to connect?

> The activity window flashes text and the blue progress bar and clears
> itself immediately.

> The Connection Doctor has too much stuff in it to let me find anything
> relevant.

If there is an error, it will show up with a bit stop sign (or
something). So it is trivial to scroll through the list and see which
(if any) connection is failing.

BTW, I would never ever ever check a pop account with beta software,
since you have 0 recovery options if there is a problem.

-- 
All great truths begin as blasphemies.

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#62736

In article <slrnltnbrd.1to1.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> BTW, I would never ever ever check a pop account with beta software,
> since you have 0 recovery options if there is a problem.

I have options set to keep the message on the server for one week.

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On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <slrnltnbrd.1to1.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
><g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> BTW, I would never ever ever check a pop account with beta software,
>> since you have 0 recovery options if there is a problem.
>
> I have options set to keep the message on the server for one week.

I can certainly imagine a scenario where a bug in Yosemite Mail causes
that setting to get ignored, resulting in messages being deleted from
the server in one instant! I think the point was there are legitimate
risks. : )

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