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| First post | 2014-07-13 21:15 -0700 |
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High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-13 21:15 -0700
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-13 21:38 -0700
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-13 22:02 -0700
Re: High Heat David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-07-14 15:14 -0400
Re: High Heat Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-14 19:13 +1200
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:16 -0700
Re: High Heat Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-14 07:12 -0400
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 11:29 +0000
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:11 -0700
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 20:18 +0000
Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-15 08:01 +1000
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 22:23 +0000
Re: High Heat Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-14 23:27 +0100
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 22:35 +0000
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 16:22 -0700
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 23:50 +0000
Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-15 09:47 +1000
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-15 00:02 +0000
Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-15 10:31 +1000
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-15 01:02 +0000
Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-18 17:39 +1000
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-18 13:26 +0000
Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-19 10:02 +1000
Re: High Heat Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-20 05:44 +0000
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-20 14:04 +0000
Re: High Heat dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-21 10:54 +1000
Re: High Heat Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-22 01:15 +0000
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-22 14:52 +0000
Re: High Heat George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:27 -0500
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 16:21 -0700
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-14 23:50 +0000
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 21:08 -0700
Re: High Heat Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-15 05:23 +0000
Re: High Heat George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:23 -0500
Re: High Heat billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-14 15:06 +0000
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:14 -0700
Re: High Heat billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-14 17:29 +0000
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 11:59 -0700
Re: High Heat billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-14 21:54 +0000
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 16:18 -0700
Re: High Heat gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-14 10:18 -0700
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2014-07-13 21:15 -0700 |
| Subject | High Heat |
| Message-ID | <2014071321150331985-xxx@yyyzzz> |
My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the gills. I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of hours during *part* of this period. Analysis indicating no disc problems. I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this: http://grab.by/yxog I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature. It's 115. What should it be. I haven't done anything on the computer for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to TinyGrab and such. Nothing much. Any ideas on all this?
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2014-07-13 21:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2014071321383968005-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #62197 |
On 2014-07-14 04:15:03 +0000, gtr said: > My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a > kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of > response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of > waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. > > The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the > gills. I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of > hours during *part* of this period. Analysis indicating no disc > problems. I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the > S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this: > > http://grab.by/yxog > > I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature. > It's 115. What should it be. I haven't done anything on the computer > for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to > TinyGrab and such. Nothing much. > > Any ideas on all this? I'm not ripping a video DVD and it's up to 160 degrees and holding. CPU is obviously quite high and the temperature in the room is 80 degrees.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2014-07-13 22:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2014071322022227178-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #62198 |
On 2014-07-14 04:38:39 +0000, gtr said: > I'm no[w] ripping a video DVD and it's up to 160 degrees and holding. > CPU is obviously quite high and the temperature in the room is 80 > degrees. Should be NOW ripping... It just finished, while I was off erranding, and at 116 degrees. 79 degrees in here. Tomorrow predicted to be warm and sunny with or without humidity from a nearby marine layer that may or may not be laying.
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| From | David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 15:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dfritzin-364B03.15142114072014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #62198 |
In article <2014071321383968005-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2014-07-14 04:15:03 +0000, gtr said: > > > My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a > > kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of > > response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of > > waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. > > > > The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the > > gills. I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of > > hours during *part* of this period. Analysis indicating no disc > > problems. I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the > > S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this: > > > > http://grab.by/yxog > > > > I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature. > > It's 115. What should it be. I haven't done anything on the computer > > for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to > > TinyGrab and such. Nothing much. > > > > Any ideas on all this? > > I'm not ripping a video DVD and it's up to 160 degrees and holding. > CPU is obviously quite high and the temperature in the room is 80 > degrees. FWIW, on my iMac (mid-2010, 27", 3.6 GHz i5, running ML), the CPU temperature is about 125°F. This is its usual range, and I have had no problems like you describe.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 19:13 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <140720141913166498%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #62197 |
In article <2014071321150331985-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a
> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of
> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of
> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder.
<snip>
This may or may not have anything to do with the heat. There are some
people complaining about slow Macs with Mavericks, especially Finder
windows.
A couple of suggestions I've come across to try are:
- deleting ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist
(you may then need to reset some of your Finder preferences)
- commenting out a line in the /etc/auto_master
configuration file, which has to be done via Terminal
- open Terminal
- type: sudo nano /etc/auto_master
- you will see a line that says something like
/net -hosts -nobrowse,hidefromfinder,nosuid
- change that line by adding a # character at the
start (the # can be removed again later if you
want to)
- press Ctrl-O to save the changes
- press Ctrl-X to quit
- this stops Finder from potentially stalling when
checking for networked drives that aren't there,
which is apparently a bug in Mavericks
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 10:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2014071410161966723-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #62201 |
On 2014-07-14 07:13:16 +0000, Your Name said: > In article <2014071321150331985-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > >> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a >> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of >> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of >> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. > <snip> > > This may or may not have anything to do with the heat. There are some > people complaining about slow Macs with Mavericks, especially Finder > windows. > > A couple of suggestions I've come across to try are: > > - deleting ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist > (you may then need to reset some of your Finder preferences) > > - commenting out a line in the /etc/auto_master > configuration file, which has to be done via Terminal > - open Terminal > - type: sudo nano /etc/auto_master > - you will see a line that says something like > /net -hosts -nobrowse,hidefromfinder,nosuid > - change that line by adding a # character at the > start (the # can be removed again later if you > want to) > - press Ctrl-O to save the changes > - press Ctrl-X to quit > - this stops Finder from potentially stalling when > checking for networked drives that aren't there, > which is apparently a bug in Mavericks Thanks for the ideas, duly stashed.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 07:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_7KdnYBNC_6FJl7OnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #62197 |
On 2014.07.14, 00:15 , gtr wrote: > My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a > kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of > response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of > waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. > > The CPU doesn't seem to be labored, the memory isn't packed to the > gills. I have been doing some DVD writing and reading for a number of > hours during *part* of this period. Analysis indicating no disc > problems. I started fiddling with TechTool Pro and when I checked the > S.M.A.R.T thingee it showed me this: > > http://grab.by/yxog > > I turned on the element in iStats menus so I can see my temperature. > It's 115. What should it be. I haven't done anything on the computer What temperature? Is that F or C? > for hours, and write now I'm typing a post and uploading and image to > TinyGrab and such. Nothing much. > > Any ideas on all this? > Power down, then Reset the SMC by unplugging the power cord for 30 seconds. Plug in, re-start and see what you get. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 11:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2ht9kF3qrqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62197 |
On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a > kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of > response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of > waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time of the problem? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 10:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2014071410115775135-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #62205 |
On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said: > On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a >> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of >> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of >> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. > > Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during > these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time > of the problem? "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to insult my ability to parse system and console logs.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 20:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62210 |
On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said: > >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a >>> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of >>> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. >> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time >> of the problem? > > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to > insult my ability to parse system and console logs. Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult. You found zero errors in the logs? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 08:01 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-6C53BE.08014615072014@aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #62227 |
In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said: > > > >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a > >>> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of > >>> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of > >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. > >> > >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during > >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time > >> of the problem? > > > > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I > > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to > > insult my ability to parse system and console logs. > > Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult. > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? What's it like being you, JR? -- dorayme
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 22:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62232 |
On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >> > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said: >> > >> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >> >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a >> >>> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of >> >>> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of >> >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. >> >> >> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during >> >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time >> >> of the problem? >> > >> > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I >> > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to >> > insult my ability to parse system and console logs. >> >> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult. > > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it using correct grammar. > What's it like being you, JR? A lot of fun. : ) If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet, you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 23:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <140720142327039277%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #62234 |
In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > > In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>, > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > >> > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said: > >> > > >> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > >> >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a > >> >>> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of > >> >>> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of > >> >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. > >> >> > >> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during > >> >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time > >> >> of the problem? > >> > > >> > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I > >> > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to > >> > insult my ability to parse system and console logs. > >> > >> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult. > > > > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? > > Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it > using correct grammar. > > > What's it like being you, JR? > > A lot of fun. : ) > > If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet, > you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better > about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway. : ) You mean you're an airhead? -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 22:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2j4abFbeprU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62235 |
On 2014-07-14, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: >> > In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>, >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >> >> > On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said: >> >> > >> >> >> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >> >> >>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a >> >> >>> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of >> >> >>> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of >> >> >>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. >> >> >> >> >> >> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during >> >> >> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time >> >> >> of the problem? >> >> > >> >> > "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I >> >> > couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to >> >> > insult my ability to parse system and console logs. >> >> >> >> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult. >> > >> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? >> >> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it >> using correct grammar. >> >> > What's it like being you, JR? >> >> A lot of fun. : ) >> >> If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet, >> you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better >> about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway. : ) > > You mean you're an airhead? Gosh, you sure showed me! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 16:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <201407141622163017-xxx@yyyzzz> |
| In reply to | #62237 |
On 2014-07-14 22:35:55 +0000, Jolly Roger said: > On 2014-07-14, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger >> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: >>>> In article <c2is93Fae57U1@mid.individual.net>, >>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >>>>>> On 2014-07-14 11:29:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >>>>>>>> My mac's been running slow the past couple of days. Today I got a >>>>>>>> kernal panic, my first. Two days ago I had an incredible slowdown of >>>>>>>> response. I'd open a finder window and it would take 30 seconds of >>>>>>>> waiting before it displayed the contents of the folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has it occurred to you to examine the system and console logs during >>>>>>> these slowdowns to see what error messages are posted there at the time >>>>>>> of the problem? >>>>>> >>>>>> "Did I examine" would seem be less insulting. The answer is yes, but I >>>>>> couldn't find anything of note. That said, there are plenty of ways to >>>>>> insult my ability to parse system and console logs. >>>>> >>>>> Your inference is wrong. It was not an insult. >>>> >>>> I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? >>> >>> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it >>> using correct grammar. >>> >>>> What's it like being you, JR? >>> >>> A lot of fun. : ) >>> >>> If you think my life is significantly influenced by anything on Usenet, >>> you're mistaken. Jab away, though, if it helps you somehow feel better >>> about yourself. You're hitting nothing but pure air, anyway. : ) >> >> You mean you're an airhead? > > Gosh, you sure showed me! While everybody is still present and remembers the thread--thanks for the input!
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-14 23:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2j8mrFcrrvU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62241 |
On 2014-07-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > > While everybody is still present and remembers the thread--thanks for > the input! You're welcome. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 09:47 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-D67ED5.09473515072014@aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #62234 |
In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? > > Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it > using correct grammar. > Neatly avoiding the real point! About grammar and writing, dearie me, dearie me, (grammar points are in many ways the last refuge of the scoundrel), look past your holy nose. A question mark at the end of a sentence can indicate the way someone might say something in a questioning way, it is informal, it means what do you think about this! You can do better JR, if you just pause and think a little before replying. If you care to enrol in my classes on related matters, please indicate (there are fees involved). -- dorayme
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 00:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2j9c0FcrrvU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62242 |
On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? >> >> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it >> using correct grammar. > > Neatly avoiding the real point! If you have a point, you're certainly not making it very clearly, which leads me to wonder just how sincere you are being. If you have something to say to me, why don't you just say it plainly instead of beating around the bush or trying to disguise it as something it's not? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 10:31 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-7068D8.10310515072014@aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #62245 |
In article <c2j9c0FcrrvU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > > In article <c2j3jiFbeprU1@mid.individual.net>, > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> On 2014-07-14, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > > > >> > I thought you would not understand gtr's perfectly reasonable remark? > >> > >> Is that supposed to be a question? If so, you'll need to rephrase it > >> using correct grammar. > > > > Neatly avoiding the real point! > > If you have a point, you're certainly not making it very clearly, which > leads me to wonder just how sincere you are being. If you have something > to say to me, why don't you just say it plainly instead of beating > around the bush or trying to disguise it as something it's not? Sure, sometimes you are as thick as a brick. Look again at the thread and see what you said and gtr's reasonable objection. What is hard to understand about me saying that I thought you would not understand his point? -- dorayme
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-15 01:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c2jctoFcrrvU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #62246 |
On 2014-07-15, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > > Sure, sometimes you are as thick as a brick. Look again at the thread > and see what you said and gtr's reasonable objection. Reasonable? That's debatable. I asked if it had occurred to him to check the console and system logs. It's a legitimate question. He responded indicating he felt that asking if it had occurred to him was somehow an insult. You apparently think it was reasonable of him to feel insulted. The problem is, you're both wrong in your inference that I insulted gtr. I did no such thing. It turns out he says he had thought of it, but hadn't mentioned it, which we wouldn't know if I hadn't asked. And if I had not followed that up with additional questions, we would not know that he didn't know what to look for and didn't understand most of the log messages he read. We only know that now because I asked. And now that I've given him some information about what to look for specifically, we can find out if there are any pertinent errors posted to the log during his observed problem, which may help him resolve the issue. Insist otherwise all you want; I know what I meant by my question better than either of you, and it was no insult. > What is hard to understand about me saying that I thought you would > not understand his point? Oh, I understand it. It's just wrong. And your juvenile jabs and insults help nothing. Do you have anything of substance to add to this conversation, or are you just hell bent on slinging dirt my way in some misguided attempt to serve "justice" for gtr? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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