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| Started by | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| First post | 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400 |
| Last post | 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 160 — 16 participants |
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Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:25 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:31 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:44 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 11:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:24 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 12:49 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:10 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 13:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:39 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 22:24 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 19:32 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 12:05 +1000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:15 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:00 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 00:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 22:03 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:23 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:07 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 23:18 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:49 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:26 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:01 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 16:14 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:53 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 22:54 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:46 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:05 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:33 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 16:48 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:27 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:39 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:44 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +1200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:30 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:12 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-19 23:47 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:00 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 17:09 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:39 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:32 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:29 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:54 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 02:29 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:28 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 19:34 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 15:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:06 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:26 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:48 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:57 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:45 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:08 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:12 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 10:36 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-22 16:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 20:24 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:24 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 23:15 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:39 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:00 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:09 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:43 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-24 15:35 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:42 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-23 14:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 07:46 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-24 12:06 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 18:40 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 03:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:19 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 21:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 06:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 15:59 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 17:25 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 22:45 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 20:47 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:43 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-20 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:15 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:21 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-25 07:41 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 17:25 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-25 18:34 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 14:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 19:55 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 15:32 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 20:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-26 17:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-26 19:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 04:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 04:48 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 22:04 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:36 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 10:34 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-29 15:11 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-27 07:59 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 22:08 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:11 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-28 22:22 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 14:46 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:01 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 20:36 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:46 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 23:13 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 21:54 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 21:40 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 02:12 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-30 02:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 13:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 19:51 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 16:07 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-01 13:16 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-01 08:19 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:12 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-27 04:19 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-28 20:35 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-26 14:42 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-27 01:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53ad0613$0$55629$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #61442 |
On 14-06-26 20:47, Alan Browne wrote: > The whole thing is an inconsistent mess. Apple should not care how we > store our passwords, but urge us to encryption with apps such as 1Password. Application gets a "paste event". Application chooses how to handle it. Consider a clipboard that contains an image and you try to paste it into an editor that is currently in text-only mode. The OS doesn't know about it, the application knows if it can accept the paste event or not. Paste a .EPS clipboard into a text editor and you will see the postscript code (text). Paste it into Photoshop and photoshop will render the .EPS into an image. Applications are very involved in accepting paste events (even if a toolkit/API makes it easy to implement).
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-27 06:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <JeudnaOkrYEk1zDOnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61457 |
On 2014.06.27, 01:50 , JF Mezei wrote: > On 14-06-26 20:47, Alan Browne wrote: > >> The whole thing is an inconsistent mess. Apple should not care how we >> store our passwords, but urge us to encryption with apps such as 1Password. > > > Application gets a "paste event". Application chooses how to handle it. > Consider a clipboard that contains an image and you try to paste it > into an editor that is currently in text-only mode. The OS doesn't know > about it, the application knows if it can accept the paste event or not. Since I'm talking about pasting text to a an input that takes text, I'm not sure why you bring up this irrelevancy. Even if one pasted an image to the password input, and even if the image data got pasted, I don't think that would harm anything (it could / would be rejected). Indeed, you can paste the name and secret of a WEP2 WiFi device into those windows w/o issue, why not sys password dialogs? Pasting an image as a PW could be clever obfuscation as well. Paste an image into password, it accepts that stream as a password (encrypts it, etc.) and then it is the valid as a password in the future.... people could bang away for a very long w/o knowing the PW is really a very long string that is really the binary of some image ... -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 17:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lo2aan$qt6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61121 |
On 2014-06-19 15:18:44 +0000, Alan Browne said: > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the > Chrome address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly > out of the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app > (on the menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error > bings as I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to > continue. > > Irritating. > > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. > > Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? I've tried following this thread and a lot of it is beyond me, but I wanted to answer your question, because, Yes, it started happening maybe a month or two ago. In my case (unlike some of the possibilities posited below in the thread) it happens without me launching anything new or doing anything that would cause it to happen: I'm typing, say, in an email (Mail.app) and the focus jumps somewhere else. It's not just Mail.app, either. Could be TextEdit or any app, it seems. I haven't hit a modifier key either, or accidentally tapped the touchpad with the cursor outside the active window. One time I happened to notice the google drive icon in the menu bar had just turned gray and then reverted to black when it happened: a disconnect and reconnect, maybe, although I don't know why that occurred. I thought that might be the culprit so I disabled google drive for a while, but the jump still happened. Anyway, FWIW, that's my story. -- JoeWolfDee Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator, but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh. --WH Auden
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 09:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <v0of7b-u17.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61246 |
On 2014-06-20, Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> wrote: > On 2014-06-19 15:18:44 +0000, Alan Browne said: > >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the >> Chrome address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly >> out of the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app >> (on the menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error >> bings as I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to >> continue. >> >> Irritating. >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > > I've tried following this thread and a lot of it is beyond me, but I > wanted to answer your question, because, Yes, it started happening > maybe a month or two ago. > > In my case (unlike some of the possibilities posited below in the > thread) it happens without me launching anything new or doing anything > that would cause it to happen: I'm typing, say, in an email (Mail.app) > and the focus jumps somewhere else. It's not just Mail.app, either. > Could be TextEdit or any app, it seems. I haven't hit a modifier key > either, or accidentally tapped the touchpad with the cursor outside the > active window. > > One time I happened to notice the google drive icon in the menu bar had > just turned gray and then reverted to black when it happened: a > disconnect and reconnect, maybe, although I don't know why that > occurred. I thought that might be the culprit so I disabled google > drive for a while, but the jump still happened. > > Anyway, FWIW, that's my story. How many folks experiencing this problem are running Google software? Just a thought... -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 09:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPadnRsdfaA4HzjOnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61246 |
On 2014.06.20, 17:50 , Joe Wolf Dee wrote: > On 2014-06-19 15:18:44 +0000, Alan Browne said: > >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the >> Chrome address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly >> out of the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app >> (on the menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error >> bings as I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to >> continue. >> >> Irritating. >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > > I've tried following this thread and a lot of it is beyond me, but I > wanted to answer your question, because, Yes, it started happening maybe > a month or two ago. > > In my case (unlike some of the possibilities posited below in the > thread) it happens without me launching anything new or doing anything > that would cause it to happen: I'm typing, say, in an email (Mail.app) > and the focus jumps somewhere else. It's not just Mail.app, either. > Could be TextEdit or any app, it seems. I haven't hit a modifier key > either, or accidentally tapped the touchpad with the cursor outside the > active window. > > One time I happened to notice the google drive icon in the menu bar had > just turned gray and then reverted to black when it happened: a > disconnect and reconnect, maybe, although I don't know why that > occurred. I thought that might be the culprit so I disabled google drive > for a while, but the jump still happened. I have seen Google Drive mentioned in the context of Spaces switching from a space to another space. I am running GDrive and also the script that Martin provided. Maybe I'll trap what's going on.... -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 07:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <8cWdnQ1kqNddLTfOnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61121 |
On 2014.06.19, 11:18 , Alan Browne wrote: > > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > > Irritating. > > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. > > Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied. 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive. Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 07:41 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <loeci0$u42$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61402 |
On 2014-06-25 11:21:36 +0000, Alan Browne said: > On 2014.06.19, 11:18 , Alan Browne wrote: >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >> >> Irritating. >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > > > Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied. > > 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive > > 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive. > > Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out. That confirms my suspicion as well. After disabling it and not letting it reinitialize after a restart (which is apparently what happened before) I've had no problems with lost focus. Bye, GD Google Drive. -- JoeWolfDee Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator, but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh. --WH Auden
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 17:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <c10f02Fqn4mU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61402 |
On 2014-06-25, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.06.19, 11:18 , Alan Browne wrote: >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >> >> Irritating. >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > > > Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied. > > 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive > > 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive. > > Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out. That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and we all know he is never wrong about anything. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 18:34 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <ct1mq913seu5hnte5fb2hstthgu1aafvfo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61407 |
On 25 Jun 2014 17:25:23 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>On 2014-06-25, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.06.19, 11:18 , Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>>> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>>> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>>> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>>> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>>
>>> Irritating.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>>
>>> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known?
>>
>>
>> Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied.
>>
>> 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive
>>
>> 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive.
>>
>> Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out.
>
>That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and
>we all know he is never wrong about anything.
It *IS* a long-standing bug in Mac OS X, it doesn't co-operate very
well with GD.
See, he is still right.
Just to make sure ... :)
J.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 14:51 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <53ab1a34$0$50766$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #61407 |
On 14-06-25 13:25, Jolly Roger wrote: > That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and > we all know he is never wrong about anything. This is actually not contradictory. It is a design flaw of OS-X to allow one application to steal focus, a flaw that Google abuses.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <250620141504239878%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61409 |
In article <53ab1a34$0$50766$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and > > we all know he is never wrong about anything. > > This is actually not contradictory. It is a design flaw of OS-X to allow > one application to steal focus, a flaw that Google abuses. that's basically it in a nutshell.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 19:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <c10nq7FsjupU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61409 |
On 2014-06-25, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-06-25 13:25, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and >> we all know he is never wrong about anything. > > This is actually not contradictory. It is a design flaw of OS-X to allow > one application to steal focus, a flaw that Google abuses. Whether or not it is a design flaw is up for debate, and the fact remains that so far there has been zero evidence given to back the assertion that this is a longstanding bug in OS X that Apple considers working as designed. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <250620141504229823%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61407 |
In article <c10f02Fqn4mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > > Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied. > > > > 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive > > > > 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive. > > > > Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out. > > That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and > we all know he is never wrong about anything. focus stealing can still occur whether or not not google drive is there. it can happen with a variety of apps, commonly safari and itunes, but also many others. it is *not* just google drive nor is it caused by google drive and removing google drive will not eliminate the problem because it's in the system itself. it is without question, a bug in os x and it did not exist in mac os 9 and earlier.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 15:32 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <53ab23c3$0$22320$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #61410 |
On 14-06-25 15:04, nospam wrote: > it is without question, a bug in os x and it did not exist in mac os 9 > and earlier. Not a bug. Like translucency, it is an undesirable design problem.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <260620141222210548%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61413 |
In article <53ab23c3$0$22320$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > it is without question, a bug in os x and it did not exist in mac os 9 > > and earlier. > > Not a bug. Like translucency, it is an undesirable design problem. it's a bug because because focus stealing is unexpected and can potentially result in data loss. translucency is something that can be toggled on or off. it is never unexpected nor will it result in data loss. although it may be ugly and dumb, it's not a bug. they're very different.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-25 20:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <c10o6bFsjupU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61410 |
On 2014-06-25, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c10f02Fqn4mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied. >> > >> > 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive >> > >> > 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive. >> > >> > Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out. >> >> That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and >> we all know he is never wrong about anything. > > focus stealing can still occur whether or not not google drive is there. > > it can happen with a variety of apps, commonly safari and itunes, but > also many others. > > it is *not* just google drive nor is it caused by google drive and > removing google drive will not eliminate the problem because it's in > the system itself. > > it is without question, a bug in os x and it did not exist in mac os 9 > and earlier. Certainly not. It may be a difference in design between OS 9 and OS X, but that does not magically make it a bug - no matter how many times you repeat the lie. In all likelihood, Apple made a conscious decision regarding this difference in design, and problem with good reasons. Whether it is a good design decision is another discussion, and can be debated; but your claim that this is a longstanding bug in OS X is still absent of a shred of evidence. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <260620141222150148%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61415 |
In article <c10o6bFsjupU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied. > >> > > >> > 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive > >> > > >> > 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive. > >> > > >> > Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out. > >> > >> That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and > >> we all know he is never wrong about anything. > > > > focus stealing can still occur whether or not not google drive is there. > > > > it can happen with a variety of apps, commonly safari and itunes, but > > also many others. > > > > it is *not* just google drive nor is it caused by google drive and > > removing google drive will not eliminate the problem because it's in > > the system itself. > > > > it is without question, a bug in os x and it did not exist in mac os 9 > > and earlier. > > Certainly not. It may be a difference in design between OS 9 and OS X, > but that does not magically make it a bug - no matter how many times you > repeat the lie. In all likelihood, Apple made a conscious decision > regarding this difference in design, and problem with good reasons. > Whether it is a good design decision is another discussion, and can be > debated; but your claim that this is a longstanding bug in OS X is still > absent of a shred of evidence. where's your evidence that it *isn't* a bug? under what circumstances can focus stealing be justified?? once again, the very definition of a software bug perfectly describes focus stealing: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug> A software bug is an error, flaw, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that causes it to produce an incorrect or unexpected result, or to behave in unintended ways. worst case, it can cause data loss and under no circumstances is data loss ever acceptable. it's without question, a bug.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 17:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <c133grFd1hhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61429 |
On 2014-06-26, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c10o6bFsjupU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> > Finally trapped the offender using the script that Martin supplied. >> >> > >> >> > 1. yesterday from Thunderbird: Google Drive >> >> > >> >> > 2. yesterday from QuickTime: Google Drive. >> >> > >> >> > Since I don't use GD much I'm kicking it out. >> >> >> >> That can't be right: nospam said this is a longstanding bug in OS X; and >> >> we all know he is never wrong about anything. >> > >> > focus stealing can still occur whether or not not google drive is there. >> > >> > it can happen with a variety of apps, commonly safari and itunes, but >> > also many others. >> > >> > it is *not* just google drive nor is it caused by google drive and >> > removing google drive will not eliminate the problem because it's in >> > the system itself. >> > >> > it is without question, a bug in os x and it did not exist in mac os 9 >> > and earlier. >> >> Certainly not. It may be a difference in design between OS 9 and OS X, >> but that does not magically make it a bug - no matter how many times you >> repeat the lie. In all likelihood, Apple made a conscious decision >> regarding this difference in design, and problem with good reasons. >> Whether it is a good design decision is another discussion, and can be >> debated; but your claim that this is a longstanding bug in OS X is still >> absent of a shred of evidence. > > where's your evidence that it *isn't* a bug? Since you made the claim that it is a bug, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 19:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <lohr2k$i1j$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #61432 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:
> Since you made the claim that it is a bug, the burden of proof rests on
> your shoulders.
Correct. And, citing Wikipedia isn't going to cut it, either.
The "proof" is most likely somewhere in here...
Window Programming Guide: Introduction
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/WinPanel/Introduction.html
Billy Y..
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped |
| Message-ID | <260620142203433390%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61434 |
In article <lohr2k$i1j$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: > > > Since you made the claim that it is a bug, the burden of proof rests on > > your shoulders. > > Correct. And, citing Wikipedia isn't going to cut it, either. it does, because that explains what a software bug *is* and focus stealing fits the definition perfectly. therefore, it's a bug. nobody has yet given any reason why it would ever be desirable, which of course, they can't, since there is a risk of data loss and that is *never* desirable under any circumstances. > The "proof" is most likely somewhere in here... > > Window Programming Guide: Introduction > > https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/WinPane > l/Introduction.html Users expect to see their actions on the keyboard and mouse take effect not only in a particular application, but also in a particular window of that application. Each user action is associated with a window by the window server and AppKit. Before acting, the user needs to know which window will be affected; there should be no surprises. note the last sentence: 'Before acting, the user needs to know which window will be affected; there should be no surprises.' since focus stealing is by definition a surprise and users won't know which window will be affected, then it is a bug. continuing on, To mark the key window for users, AppKit highlights its title bar. You can think of the highlighting as a kind of pointer for the keyboard. It shifts from window to window as the key window changes. Key-window status also moves from application to application as the active application changes. Only one window on the screen is marked at a time, and it is in the active application. There¹s just one key window on the Desktop. Even a system that has two screens, but only one keyboard, has at most one key window. since focus stealing can steal focus *without* altering the title bar, it's a bug by that description too.
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