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| Started by | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| First post | 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400 |
| Last post | 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 160 — 16 participants |
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Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:25 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:31 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:44 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 11:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:24 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 12:49 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:10 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 13:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:39 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 22:24 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 19:32 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 12:05 +1000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:15 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:00 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 00:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 22:03 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:23 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:07 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 23:18 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:49 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:26 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:01 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 16:14 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:53 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 22:54 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:46 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:05 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:33 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 16:48 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:27 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:39 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:44 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +1200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:30 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:12 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-19 23:47 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:00 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 17:09 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:39 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:32 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:29 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:54 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 02:29 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:28 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 19:34 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 15:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:06 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:26 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:48 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:57 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:45 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:08 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:12 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 10:36 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-22 16:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 20:24 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:24 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 23:15 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:39 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:00 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:09 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:43 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-24 15:35 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:42 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-23 14:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 07:46 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-24 12:06 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 18:40 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 03:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:19 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 21:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 06:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 15:59 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 17:25 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 22:45 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 20:47 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:43 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-20 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:15 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:21 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-25 07:41 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 17:25 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-25 18:34 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 14:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 19:55 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 15:32 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 20:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-26 17:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-26 19:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 04:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 04:48 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 22:04 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:36 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 10:34 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-29 15:11 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-27 07:59 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 22:08 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:11 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-28 22:22 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 14:46 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:01 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 20:36 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:46 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 23:13 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 21:54 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 21:40 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 02:12 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-30 02:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 13:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 19:51 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 16:07 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-01 13:16 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-01 08:19 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:12 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-27 04:19 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-28 20:35 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-26 14:42 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400 |
| Subject | Unwanted Focus switches |
| Message-ID | <L8ednfYEBIHKYj_OnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. Irritating. I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 11:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lnuve6$7o0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61121 |
On 6/19/14, 11:18 AM, Alan Browne wrote: > > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > > Irritating. > > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. > > Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > It used to be that if I was focused on A and went to the dock to bring B forward, if I quit B, the focus would revert to A. I think it was after I went to 10.9.3 that for a few days, if I quit B, the focus would go to Mail. Now it goes to Finder. I don't get it.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 11:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <RoudnfNQccfAnz7OnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61122 |
On 2014.06.19, 11:25 , J Burns wrote: > On 6/19/14, 11:18 AM, Alan Browne wrote: >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >> >> Irritating. >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? >> > It used to be that if I was focused on A and went to the dock to bring B > forward, if I quit B, the focus would revert to A. > > I think it was after I went to 10.9.3 that for a few days, if I quit B, > the focus would go to Mail. Now it goes to Finder. I don't get it. I don't mean during user operations with the mouse (or perhaps kbd commands) but right out of the blue while typing in a particular app. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 11:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lnv0hq$gb0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61124 |
On 6/19/14, 11:31 AM, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2014.06.19, 11:25 , J Burns wrote: >> On 6/19/14, 11:18 AM, Alan Browne wrote: >>> >>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >>> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >>> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >>> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >>> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >>> >>> Irritating. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >>> >>> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? >>> >> It used to be that if I was focused on A and went to the dock to bring B >> forward, if I quit B, the focus would revert to A. >> >> I think it was after I went to 10.9.3 that for a few days, if I quit B, >> the focus would go to Mail. Now it goes to Finder. I don't get it. > > I don't mean during user operations with the mouse (or perhaps kbd > commands) but right out of the blue while typing in a particular app. > I saw your problem was different, but it brought mine to mind. Did yours start recently? If it reverts to Finder and I have no Finder window open, the focus will appear to be A, until I type or use a keyboard command.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 11:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620141151405415%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61121 |
In article <L8ednfYEBIHKYj_OnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > > Irritating. > > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. > > Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? it's a longstanding bug in os x. i see it the most with itunes and safari. sometimes the app that forces itself frontmost steals focus and other times the hidden app retains it and you are flying blind. i've even seen windows pop up during drag events, such as moving files in finder and then something else blasts itself in front, and if you let go of the icons you were dragging, you have no idea where they'll end up.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 12:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <TIqdnVYnbLI-kz7OnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #61128 |
On 2014.06.19, 11:51 , nospam wrote: > In article <L8ednfYEBIHKYj_OnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >> >> Irritating. >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > > it's a longstanding bug in os x. Indeed? > > i see it the most with itunes and safari. > > sometimes the app that forces itself frontmost steals focus and other > times the hidden app retains it and you are flying blind. The app focus doesn't change - just the window I'm in is no longer the focus window. This seems to be more frequent over the last few months than ever before. > > i've even seen windows pop up during drag events, such as moving files > in finder and then something else blasts itself in front, and if you > let go of the icons you were dragging, you have no idea where they'll > end up. Something like that happened last week - all the files ended up on the desktop but under another window so it wasn't clear where they went until I spotlighted. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 12:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620141249434379%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61130 |
In article <TIqdnVYnbLI-kz7OnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > >> > >> Irritating. > >> > >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. > >> > >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > > > > it's a longstanding bug in os x. > > Indeed? yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. > > i see it the most with itunes and safari. > > > > sometimes the app that forces itself frontmost steals focus and other > > times the hidden app retains it and you are flying blind. > > The app focus doesn't change - just the window I'm in is no longer the > focus window. it depends. there are two manifestations of it. > This seems to be more frequent over the last few months than ever before. you're now doing something that makes it more likely to happen. some people rarely see it, if ever. others see it quite frequently. > > i've even seen windows pop up during drag events, such as moving files > > in finder and then something else blasts itself in front, and if you > > let go of the icons you were dragging, you have no idea where they'll > > end up. > > Something like that happened last week - all the files ended up on the > desktop but under another window so it wasn't clear where they went > until I spotlighted. it's ludicrous how anyone can pretend this is a good thing, yet that's what apple does. "works as designed", they say, which is their standard cop-out answer.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 17:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61133 |
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <TIqdnVYnbLI-kz7OnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne ><alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >> >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >> >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >> >> >> >> Irritating. >> >> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? >> > >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. >> >> Indeed? > > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it to be a feature). -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 13:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620141322121341%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61137 |
In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > >> >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > >> >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > >> >> > >> >> Irritating. > >> >> > >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. > >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? > >> > > >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. > >> > >> Indeed? > > > > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. > > Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it > to be a feature). i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.' it is incomprehensible that someone would intentionally design it so that another app could interrupt the user's work with the potential of data loss. i've had windows pop up in the middle of finder drags and even with menus pulled down! usually it's just a window forcing itself forward, sometimes stealing focus and sometimes not.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 17:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c0glj7Fh7a5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61138 |
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >> >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >> >> >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >> >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >> >> >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >> >> >> >> >> >> Irritating. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >> >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? >> >> > >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. >> >> >> >> Indeed? >> > >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. >> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it >> to be a feature). > > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up, which is why I am asking for evidence now. The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X? > i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.' The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620141750266967%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61139 |
In article <c0glj7Fh7a5U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. > >> >> > >> >> Indeed? > >> > > >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. > >> > >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it > >> to be a feature). > > > > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to > > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. > > I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up, > which is why I am asking for evidence now. > > The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there > is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your > assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X? it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss. that's a bug. > > i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.' > > The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response > does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug > report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about > this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. 'works as designed' means it's considered to be a feature and will not be fixed. nobody designs something to have a bug. > You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion. incorrect.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 22:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c0h695FkromU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61148 |
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c0glj7Fh7a5U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. >> >> >> >> >> >> Indeed? >> >> > >> >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. >> >> >> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it >> >> to be a feature). >> > >> > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to >> > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. >> >> I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up, >> which is why I am asking for evidence now. >> >> The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there >> is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your >> assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X? > > it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss. > > that's a bug. So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X - just your opinion. >> > i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.' >> >> The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response >> does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug >> report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about >> this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. > > 'works as designed' means it's considered to be a feature and will not > be fixed. Since you haven't shown us the bug report in question, then we only have your word that this is considered to be a feature. You have given zero evidence of this assertion. > nobody designs something to have a bug. You still have not proven your assertions that (a) this is actually a bug, (b) it's a bug in OS X, or (c) that Apple considers this supposed bug in OS X to be a feature. >> You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion. > > incorrect. It's perfectly clear for anyone reading this to see that you have provided no evidence of your assertions. Saying it isn't so changes nothing. Continuing to insist that you are right without giving a shred of evidence to back up your claims is very typical behavior for you, and is pretty lame. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 19:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620141932264155%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61149 |
In article <c0h695FkromU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Indeed? > >> >> > > >> >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. > >> >> > >> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it > >> >> to be a feature). > >> > > >> > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to > >> > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. > >> > >> I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up, > >> which is why I am asking for evidence now. > >> > >> The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there > >> is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your > >> assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X? > > > > it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss. > > > > that's a bug. > > So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X - > just your opinion. it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug> A software bug is an error, flaw, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that causes it to produce an incorrect or unexpected result, or to behave in unintended ways. any time a window forces itself forward obscuring what the user was working on and potentially causing data loss fits that definition. it's a bug.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 00:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61152 |
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c0h695FkromU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Indeed? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. >> >> >> >> >> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it >> >> >> to be a feature). >> >> > >> >> > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to >> >> > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. >> >> >> >> I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up, >> >> which is why I am asking for evidence now. >> >> >> >> The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there >> >> is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your >> >> assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X? >> > >> > it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss. >> > >> > that's a bug. >> >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X - >> just your opinion. > > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug: Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence". -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620142156071379%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61159 |
In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X - > >> just your opinion. > > > > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug: > > Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence". apparently you just like to argue.
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 21:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-A71C69.21590319062014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #61166 |
In article <190620142156071379%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X - > > >> just your opinion. > > > > > > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug: > > > > Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence". > > apparently you just like to argue. Why else would he post to Usenet? -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 12:05 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-1ABB9D.12054620062014@aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #61169 |
In article <barmar-A71C69.21590319062014@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > In article <190620142156071379%nospam@nospam.invalid>, > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger > > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X - > > > >> just your opinion. > > > > > > > > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug: > > > > > > Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence". > > > > apparently you just like to argue. > > Why else would he post to Usenet? I dispute this. -- dorayme
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 16:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c0j5ngF2sr8U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61166 |
On 2014-06-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X - >> >> just your opinion. >> > >> > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug: >> >> Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence". > > apparently you just like to argue. that's rich, coming from you -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 00:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dbr6q9lo0ihj8j2qgv3batuhg7p94b4ecc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #61139 |
On 19 Jun 2014 17:39:51 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>>> >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>>> >> >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>>> >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>>> >> >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Irritating.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>> >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
>>> >>
>>> >> Indeed?
>>> >
>>> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
>>>
>>> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
>>> to be a feature).
>>
>> i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
>> look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either.
>
>I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
>which is why I am asking for evidence now.
>
>The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
>is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
>assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?
>
>> i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.'
>
>The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response
>does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug
>report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about
>this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise.
>
>You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion.
Truthfully, if you know where to look [I do not nor do I care to find
out] he has given sufficient information to track his claim down. Just
go to the archives of bug reports for OS X and look for his name or
some vague description of the issue.
It's far too much like work or I would do it, so I'll leave it to
someone with more time, energy and determination to prove him a liar.
It is of course always possible that nospam's description of the
"bug" was badly misinterpreted by Apple and what they *thought* he was
saying sounded to them like how the OS is supposed to work. Maybe if
he tried again, with a better description, they could see it *as* a
bug.
Some years ago, nospam could have been a newbie and may not have
known the correct terminology to describe what he was seeing in a
properly technically meaningful manner.
In short, he could be right, and wrong.
J.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 00:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c0hbs0FlupeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61150 |
On 2014-06-19, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > On 19 Jun 2014 17:39:51 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger >>><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome >>>> >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of >>>> >> >> the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the >>>> >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as >>>> >> >> I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Irritating. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. >>>> >> >> Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x. >>>> >> >>>> >> Indeed? >>>> > >>>> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature. >>>> >>>> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it >>>> to be a feature). >>> >>> i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to >>> look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. >> >>I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up, >>which is why I am asking for evidence now. >> >>The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there >>is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your >>assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X? >> >>> i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.' >> >>The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response >>does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug >>report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about >>this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. >> >>You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion. > > Truthfully, if you know where to look [I do not nor do I care to find > out] he has given sufficient information to track his claim down. Just > go to the archives of bug reports for OS X and look for his name or > some vague description of the issue. A bug report is not evidence that (a) it's a bug, nor (b) that the bug is in OS X, nor (c) that Apple considers it working as designed. > It's far too much like work or I would do it, so I'll leave it to > someone with more time, energy and determination to prove him a liar. You have made an unfortunately common fallacy. The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion. He made the assertion - not me. Therefore it is *his* job to provide evidence backing his assertion. My only responsibility in this matter is to ask for evidence proving his assertion. > It is of course always possible that nospam's description of the > "bug" was badly misinterpreted by Apple and what they *thought* he was > saying sounded to them like how the OS is supposed to work. Maybe if > he tried again, with a better description, they could see it *as* a > bug. Yep. > Some years ago, nospam could have been a newbie and may not have > known the correct terminology to describe what he was seeing in a > properly technically meaningful manner. > In short, he could be right, and wrong. Yep. And without any evidence, we will assume he is neither right or wrong, and simply talking out of his ass. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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