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Unwanted Focus switches

Started byAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
First post2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
Last post2014-06-27 18:26 +1000
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  Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:25 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:31 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:44 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 11:51 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:24 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 12:49 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:10 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 13:22 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:39 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 22:24 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 19:32 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:08 +0000
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:59 -0400
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 12:05 +1000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:27 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:15 +0100
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:00 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 00:16 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 22:03 +0100
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:23 +0100
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:07 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 23:18 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:49 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:26 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:10 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:01 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 16:14 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:20 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:53 -0400
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:16 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 22:54 -0400
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:41 +0000
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:46 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:51 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:05 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:33 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 16:48 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:27 +0200
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:39 +0200
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:44 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +1200
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:30 +0200
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:12 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-19 23:47 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:00 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 17:09 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:39 +0200
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:32 +0200
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:20 +0000
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:29 -0700
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:54 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 02:29 -0700
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:28 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 19:34 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 15:59 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:06 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:26 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:52 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:48 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:57 +0200
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:45 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:08 -0700
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:12 +0200
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 10:36 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-22 16:20 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:22 -0400
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 20:24 +0000
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:24 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 23:15 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:39 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:00 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:09 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:43 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-24 15:35 +0200
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:42 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-23 14:41 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 07:46 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-24 12:06 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 18:40 -0400
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 03:16 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:19 -0400
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 21:16 +0000
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 06:52 -0400
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 15:59 +0000
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 17:25 -0400
                                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 22:45 +0000
                                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 20:47 -0400
                                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:50 -0400
                                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:43 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-20 17:50 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:15 +0200
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:03 -0400
    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:21 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-25 07:41 -0400
      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 17:25 +0000
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-25 18:34 +0100
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 14:51 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 19:55 +0000
        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 15:32 -0400
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 20:02 +0000
            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-26 17:27 +0000
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-26 19:08 +0000
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 04:41 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 04:48 +0000
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:20 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 22:04 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:36 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 10:34 +0000
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-29 15:11 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:59 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:27 +0000
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-27 07:59 -0700
                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 22:08 -0400
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:11 -0400
                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-28 22:22 -0700
                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 14:46 -0400
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:01 -0700
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 20:36 +0000
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:46 -0700
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 23:13 +0000
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 21:54 +0000
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 21:40 -0400
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 02:12 +0000
                                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-30 02:27 +0000
                                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 13:52 -0400
                                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 19:51 +0000
                                        Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 16:07 -0400
                                          Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 02:52 +0000
                                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:08 +0000
                                            Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-01 13:16 -0400
                              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-01 08:19 -0400
                                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:12 +0000
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-27 04:19 +0000
                    Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
                      Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-28 20:35 +0000
              Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-26 14:42 -0400
                Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
                  Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000

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#61121 — Unwanted Focus switches

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
SubjectUnwanted Focus switches
Message-ID<L8ednfYEBIHKYj_OnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome 
address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of 
the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the 
menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as 
I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.

Irritating.

I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.

Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#61122

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-06-19 11:25 -0400
Message-ID<lnuve6$7o0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61121
On 6/19/14, 11:18 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>
> Irritating.
>
> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>
> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>
It used to be that if I was focused on A and went to the dock to bring B 
forward, if I quit B, the focus would revert to A.

I think it was after I went to 10.9.3 that for a few days, if I quit B, 
the focus would go to Mail.  Now it goes to Finder.  I don't get it.

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#61124

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-19 11:31 -0400
Message-ID<RoudnfNQccfAnz7OnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#61122
On 2014.06.19, 11:25 , J Burns wrote:
> On 6/19/14, 11:18 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>
>> Irritating.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>
>> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>>
> It used to be that if I was focused on A and went to the dock to bring B
> forward, if I quit B, the focus would revert to A.
>
> I think it was after I went to 10.9.3 that for a few days, if I quit B,
> the focus would go to Mail.  Now it goes to Finder.  I don't get it.

I don't mean during user operations with the mouse (or perhaps kbd 
commands) but right out of the blue while typing in a particular app.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#61126

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2014-06-19 11:44 -0400
Message-ID<lnv0hq$gb0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#61124
On 6/19/14, 11:31 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2014.06.19, 11:25 , J Burns wrote:
>> On 6/19/14, 11:18 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>>> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>>> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>>> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>>> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>>
>>> Irritating.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>>
>>> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>>>
>> It used to be that if I was focused on A and went to the dock to bring B
>> forward, if I quit B, the focus would revert to A.
>>
>> I think it was after I went to 10.9.3 that for a few days, if I quit B,
>> the focus would go to Mail.  Now it goes to Finder.  I don't get it.
>
> I don't mean during user operations with the mouse (or perhaps kbd
> commands) but right out of the blue while typing in a particular app.
>
I saw your problem was different, but it brought mine to mind.  Did 
yours start recently? If it reverts to Finder and I have no Finder 
window open, the focus will appear to be A, until I type or use a 
keyboard command.

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#61128

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-19 11:51 -0400
Message-ID<190620141151405415%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61121
In article <L8ednfYEBIHKYj_OnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome 
> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of 
> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the 
> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as 
> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
> 
> Irritating.
> 
> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
> 
> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?

it's a longstanding bug in os x. 

i see it the most with itunes and safari.

sometimes the app that forces itself frontmost steals focus and other
times the hidden app retains it and you are flying blind.

i've even seen windows pop up during drag events, such as moving files
in finder and then something else blasts itself in front, and if you
let go of the icons you were dragging, you have no idea where they'll
end up.

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#61130

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-19 12:24 -0400
Message-ID<TIqdnVYnbLI-kz7OnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#61128
On 2014.06.19, 11:51 , nospam wrote:
> In article <L8ednfYEBIHKYj_OnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>
>> Irritating.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>
>> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>
> it's a longstanding bug in os x.

Indeed?

>
> i see it the most with itunes and safari.
>
> sometimes the app that forces itself frontmost steals focus and other
> times the hidden app retains it and you are flying blind.

The app focus doesn't change - just the window I'm in is no longer the 
focus window.

This seems to be more frequent over the last few months than ever before.


>
> i've even seen windows pop up during drag events, such as moving files
> in finder and then something else blasts itself in front, and if you
> let go of the icons you were dragging, you have no idea where they'll
> end up.

Something like that happened last week - all the files ended up on the 
desktop but under another window so it wasn't clear where they went 
until I spotlighted.


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#61133

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-19 12:49 -0400
Message-ID<190620141249434379%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61130
In article <TIqdnVYnbLI-kz7OnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
> >> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
> >> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
> >>
> >> Irritating.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
> >>
> >> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
> >
> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
> 
> Indeed?

yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.

> > i see it the most with itunes and safari.
> >
> > sometimes the app that forces itself frontmost steals focus and other
> > times the hidden app retains it and you are flying blind.
> 
> The app focus doesn't change - just the window I'm in is no longer the 
> focus window.

it depends. there are two manifestations of it.

> This seems to be more frequent over the last few months than ever before.

you're now doing something that makes it more likely to happen.

some people rarely see it, if ever. others see it quite frequently.

> > i've even seen windows pop up during drag events, such as moving files
> > in finder and then something else blasts itself in front, and if you
> > let go of the icons you were dragging, you have no idea where they'll
> > end up.
> 
> Something like that happened last week - all the files ended up on the 
> desktop but under another window so it wasn't clear where they went 
> until I spotlighted.

it's ludicrous how anyone can pretend this is a good thing, yet that's
what apple does.

"works as designed", they say, which is their standard cop-out answer.

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#61137

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-19 17:10 +0000
Message-ID<c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61133
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <TIqdnVYnbLI-kz7OnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
><alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>> >> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>> >> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>> >>
>> >> Irritating.
>> >> 
>> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>> >> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>> >
>> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
>> 
>> Indeed?
>
> yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.

Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
to be a feature).

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#61138

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-19 13:22 -0400
Message-ID<190620141322121341%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61137
In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
> >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
> >> >> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
> >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
> >> >> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Irritating.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
> >> >> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
> >> >
> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
> >> 
> >> Indeed?
> >
> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
> 
> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
> to be a feature).

i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 

i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.'

it is incomprehensible that someone would intentionally design it so
that another app could interrupt the user's work with the potential of
data loss. 

i've had windows pop up in the middle of finder drags and even with
menus pulled down! usually it's just a window forcing itself forward,
sometimes stealing focus and sometimes not.

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#61139

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-19 17:39 +0000
Message-ID<c0glj7Fh7a5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61138
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>> >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>> >> >> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>> >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>> >> >> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Irritating.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>> >> >> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>> >> >
>> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
>> >> 
>> >> Indeed?
>> >
>> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
>> 
>> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
>> to be a feature).
>
> i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
> look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 

I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
which is why I am asking for evidence now.

The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?

> i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.'

The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response
does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug
report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about
this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. 

You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion.

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#61148

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
Message-ID<190620141750266967%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61139
In article <c0glj7Fh7a5U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Indeed?
> >> >
> >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
> >> 
> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
> >> to be a feature).
> >
> > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
> > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 
> 
> I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
> which is why I am asking for evidence now.
> 
> The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
> is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
> assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?

it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss.

that's a bug.

> > i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.'
> 
> The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response
> does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug
> report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about
> this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. 

'works as designed' means it's considered to be a feature and will not
be fixed.

nobody designs something to have a bug.

> You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion.

incorrect.

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#61149

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-19 22:24 +0000
Message-ID<c0h695FkromU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61148
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c0glj7Fh7a5U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Indeed?
>> >> >
>> >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
>> >> 
>> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
>> >> to be a feature).
>> >
>> > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
>> > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 
>> 
>> I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
>> which is why I am asking for evidence now.
>> 
>> The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
>> is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
>> assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?
>
> it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss.
>
> that's a bug.

So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X -
just your opinion.

>> > i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.'
>> 
>> The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response
>> does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug
>> report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about
>> this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. 
>
> 'works as designed' means it's considered to be a feature and will not
> be fixed.

Since you haven't shown us the bug report in question, then we only have
your word that this is considered to be a feature. You have given zero
evidence of this assertion.

> nobody designs something to have a bug.

You still have not proven your assertions that (a) this is actually a
bug, (b) it's a bug in OS X, or (c) that Apple considers this supposed
bug in OS X to be a feature.

>> You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion.
>
> incorrect.

It's perfectly clear for anyone reading this to see that you have
provided no evidence of your assertions. Saying it isn't so changes
nothing. Continuing to insist that you are right without giving a shred
of evidence to back up your claims is very typical behavior for you, and
is pretty lame.

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#61152

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-19 19:32 -0400
Message-ID<190620141932264155%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61149
In article <c0h695FkromU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Indeed?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
> >> >> to be a feature).
> >> >
> >> > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
> >> > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 
> >> 
> >> I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
> >> which is why I am asking for evidence now.
> >> 
> >> The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
> >> is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
> >> assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?
> >
> > it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss.
> >
> > that's a bug.
> 
> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X -
> just your opinion.

it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug>
  A software bug is an error, flaw, failure, or fault in a computer
  program or system that causes it to produce an incorrect or
  unexpected result, or to behave in unintended ways.

any time a window forces itself forward obscuring what the user was
working on and potentially causing data loss fits that definition.

it's a bug.

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#61159

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-20 00:08 +0000
Message-ID<c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61152
On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c0h695FkromU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Indeed?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
>> >> >> to be a feature).
>> >> >
>> >> > i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
>> >> > look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 
>> >> 
>> >> I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
>> >> which is why I am asking for evidence now.
>> >> 
>> >> The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
>> >> is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
>> >> assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?
>> >
>> > it is unexpected behaviour that in some cases, can result in data loss.
>> >
>> > that's a bug.
>> 
>> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X -
>> just your opinion.
>
> it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug:

Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence".

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#61166

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
Message-ID<190620142156071379%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#61159
In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X -
> >> just your opinion.
> >
> > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug:
> 
> Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence".

apparently you just like to argue.

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#61169

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-06-19 21:59 -0400
Message-ID<barmar-A71C69.21590319062014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#61166
In article <190620142156071379%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X -
> > >> just your opinion.
> > >
> > > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug:
> > 
> > Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence".
> 
> apparently you just like to argue.

Why else would he post to Usenet?

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#61171

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2014-06-20 12:05 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-1ABB9D.12054620062014@aioe.org>
In reply to#61169
In article <barmar-A71C69.21590319062014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <190620142156071379%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X -
> > > >> just your opinion.
> > > >
> > > > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug:
> > > 
> > > Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence".
> > 
> > apparently you just like to argue.
> 
> Why else would he post to Usenet?

I dispute this.

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#61204

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-20 16:27 +0000
Message-ID<c0j5ngF2sr8U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61166
On 2014-06-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c0hcbaFlupeU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> So far you have given no evidence that this is actually a bug in OS X -
>> >> just your opinion.
>> >
>> > it's not opinion. it's the very definition of a bug:
>> 
>> Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "evidence".
>
> apparently you just like to argue.

that's rich, coming from you

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#61150

FromJohn <Man@the.keyboard>
Date2014-06-20 00:15 +0100
Message-ID<dbr6q9lo0ihj8j2qgv3batuhg7p94b4ecc@4ax.com>
In reply to#61139
On 19 Jun 2014 17:39:51 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>>> >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>>> >> >> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>>> >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>>> >> >> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Irritating.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>> >> >> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Indeed?
>>> >
>>> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
>>> 
>>> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
>>> to be a feature).
>>
>> i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
>> look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 
>
>I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
>which is why I am asking for evidence now.
>
>The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
>is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
>assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?
>
>> i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.'
>
>The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response
>does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug
>report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about
>this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. 
>
>You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion.

 Truthfully, if you know where to look [I do not nor do I care to find
out] he has given sufficient information to track his claim down. Just
go to the archives of bug reports for OS X and look for his name or
some vague description of the issue. 
 It's far too much like work or I would do it, so I'll leave it to
someone with more time, energy and determination to prove him a liar. 
 It is of course always possible that nospam's description of the
"bug" was badly misinterpreted by Apple and what they *thought* he was
saying sounded to them like how the OS is supposed to work. Maybe if
he tried again, with a better description, they could see it *as* a
bug.
 Some years ago, nospam could have been a newbie and may not have
known the correct terminology to describe what he was seeing in a
properly technically meaningful manner. 
 In short, he could be right, and wrong.
                                         J.  
 

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#61154

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-20 00:00 +0000
Message-ID<c0hbs0FlupeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#61150
On 2014-06-19, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2014 17:39:51 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-06-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <c0gjrrFh164U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>>><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> >> Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome
>>>> >> >> address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of
>>>> >> >> the window that I'm in.  The app I'm in remains the front app (on the
>>>> >> >> menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as
>>>> >> >> I continue typing.  Have to mouse back into where I was to continue.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Irritating.
>>>> >> >> 
>>>> >> >> I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key.
>>>> >> >> Does this happen to anyone else?  Any causes known?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > it's a longstanding bug in os x.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Indeed?
>>>> >
>>>> > yes indeed and apple considers it to be a feature.
>>>> 
>>>> Citation please (of both it being an Apple bug and Apple considering it
>>>> to be a feature).
>>>
>>> i reported it to apple nearly 15 years ago in 10.1. i am not going to
>>> look up the radar# and i wasn't the first to have reported it either. 
>>
>>I've noticed you have been saying this for years without backing it up,
>>which is why I am asking for evidence now.
>>
>>The fact that you submitted a mysterious bug report does not mean there
>>is an actual bug in the OS. Do you have actual evidence of your
>>assertion that this is a long-standing bug in OS X?
>>
>>> i got their standard bullshit reply, 'works as designed.'
>>
>>The fact that they gave you the boilerplate "works as designed" response
>>does not necessarily mean that the behavior you described in the bug
>>report is "considered to be a feature". And without knowing more about
>>this supposed bug report, once legitimately can't claim otherwise. 
>>
>>You have so far given insufficient actual evidence of your assertion.
>
>  Truthfully, if you know where to look [I do not nor do I care to find
> out] he has given sufficient information to track his claim down. Just
> go to the archives of bug reports for OS X and look for his name or
> some vague description of the issue. 

A bug report is not evidence that (a) it's a bug, nor (b) that the bug
is in OS X, nor (c) that Apple considers it working as designed. 

>  It's far too much like work or I would do it, so I'll leave it to
> someone with more time, energy and determination to prove him a liar. 

You have made an unfortunately common fallacy. The burden of proof is on
the person making the assertion. He made the assertion - not me.
Therefore it is *his* job to provide evidence backing his assertion. My
only responsibility in this matter is to ask for evidence proving his
assertion.

>  It is of course always possible that nospam's description of the
> "bug" was badly misinterpreted by Apple and what they *thought* he was
> saying sounded to them like how the OS is supposed to work. Maybe if
> he tried again, with a better description, they could see it *as* a
> bug.

Yep.

>  Some years ago, nospam could have been a newbie and may not have
> known the correct terminology to describe what he was seeing in a
> properly technically meaningful manner. 
>  In short, he could be right, and wrong.

Yep. And without any evidence, we will assume he is neither right or
wrong, and simply talking out of his ass.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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