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| Started by | billy@MIX.COM |
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| First post | 2014-06-03 16:01 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-06-10 20:02 +0000 |
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Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 16:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-03 17:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 19:12 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-04 18:10 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 04:25 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 17:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 05:37 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-04 19:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 07:21 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:26 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 06:04 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-05 23:13 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-06 14:26 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:26 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-11 09:25 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-05 08:38 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-04 21:33 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 03:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 18:40 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 14:13 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 15:32 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:01 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 09:31 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-05 18:40 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:06 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 18:37 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 18:59 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:16 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-05 22:56 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 03:20 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-05 23:53 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-06 08:19 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 08:45 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-06 15:10 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 05:44 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:58 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 08:36 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 09:00 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:04 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 09:23 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 17:47 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:09 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:16 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:22 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-05 14:30 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 18:45 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-05 21:57 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 18:43 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:06 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-05 23:46 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 23:35 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 09:03 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 04:55 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-06 13:07 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-06 08:23 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-06 23:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 15:40 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 04:45 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:48 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 15:00 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:46 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 08:40 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam@ab-katrinedal.dk (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2014-06-06 18:04 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 09:20 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 16:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:30 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:33 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:52 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam@ab-katrinedal.dk (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2014-06-07 10:46 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-07 10:02 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:15 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-06 19:30 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:04 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 05:55 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:28 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 15:58 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 16:49 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:38 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-06-18 22:40 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:25 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:27 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:13 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-06 19:02 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 20:24 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 01:57 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 18:36 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 02:42 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 02:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-07 12:47 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 17:49 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-08 22:44 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:03 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 09:18 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 16:39 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 18:56 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 21:16 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:44 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 22:12 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:46 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-09 09:08 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-09 00:15 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-09 10:42 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 05:36 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-09 04:17 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:35 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:39 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:44 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 12:30 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:32 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-10 11:04 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:06 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 00:43 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:00 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-07 06:36 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 23:40 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-07 22:02 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-08 17:38 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-08 18:03 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 08:12 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 14:50 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 09:03 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 15:24 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 13:47 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 08:05 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:54 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 00:44 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:05 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 21:33 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:01 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:18 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:44 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:57 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:42 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 10:01 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 16:47 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-09 03:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:20 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-08 20:46 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:17 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 09:32 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-12 20:24 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-12 18:33 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:06 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 17:56 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-16 16:31 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-17 19:00 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-18 06:57 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-09 08:48 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 19:58 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:27 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:38 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:14 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-07-14 07:25 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-07-14 21:11 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-08-05 08:20 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 19:39 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 19:35 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:40 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:11 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 18:17 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:43 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:01 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 14:53 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 06:58 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 19:20 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 17:18 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 18:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 06:30 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 13:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-08 11:20 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 22:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:36 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 15:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 16:32 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:02 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:17 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-11 02:01 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-11 16:10 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 22:35 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-12 01:10 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-12 07:15 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-12 17:41 -0400
Unmasking A Complete, Total Dickwad (was: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 04:17 +0000
Re: Unmasking A Complete, Total Dickwad (was: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-16 14:42 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 04:28 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:43 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 14:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:35 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:22 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 22:44 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 12:37 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:58 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:16 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:40 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:54 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:40 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:28 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:24 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-09 10:10 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 08:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:55 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 18:01 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:08 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 16:31 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-12 05:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 16:45 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 13:35 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-13 18:00 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 21:57 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 08:51 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 11:51 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 00:00 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 14:10 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 09:49 +1000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 00:28 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:38 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:34 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 04:23 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 17:19 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 23:36 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 07:42 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:30 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 14:57 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 17:40 -0500
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 18:41 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 21:34 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 21:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:03 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 19:15 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:40 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 23:18 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-13 21:06 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 17:50 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 19:06 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-14 17:39 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 18:36 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 18:57 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-16 15:08 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 16:48 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-16 16:55 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:03 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 17:14 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-17 07:53 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:10 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 12:25 +1200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:11 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:33 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:36 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:10 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 02:33 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 17:15 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:27 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:49 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:21 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:33 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 21:51 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:16 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:25 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-08 20:31 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:50 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 07:29 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:52 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:21 -0400
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 17:44 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:48 -0700
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 18:55 +0100
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:43 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:14 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:14 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:11 +0000
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 19:50 +0200
Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:02 +0000
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1lmun6e.1hy52mn123prf9N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #60296 |
Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > > > Every single example you provided is understood perfectly without > > accents and extended characters. > > Certainly. But you and I have been able to post here in, and send each > other e-mails in, straight ASCII since — what? the early '90s? Isn't it > time to move on? > > We can communicate by grunting and gesticulating, too. Isn't a little > more refinement a good thing? After all, we are Mac users, and we've > been able to touch-type all this stuff from day 1 :-) > > Paul Magnussen Once again I say that it would be silly to avoid Unicode in a brand new client. I simply fail to see how full Unicode support can be more important than almost any key feature of MT-NW or MacSOUP. The only posts in this thread that have unreadable content for me with MacSOUP's partial support, are those written to deliberately showcase Unicode support. That tells me something :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Hc2dnQIg3_NmtQ_OnZ2dnUVZ_rYAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #60296 |
On 2014.06.05, 18:58 , Paul Magnussen wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > >> Every single example you provided is understood perfectly without >> accents and extended characters. > > Certainly. But you and I have been able to post here in, and send each > other e-mails in, straight ASCII since — what? the early '90s? Isn't it > time to move on? Thunderbird (as an example) shows accents and other characters quite well. That's beyond ASCII... è é ô ø î ï ö ... ≠ ± The OP went to some length to show how "broken" clients were with his opening sentence: I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working ... yet, in the same post, he manages to post "I've" w/o issue in the 2nd paragraph: I've done my best... He is being dishonest about there being no Mac solution for usenet: "Bring Usenet Back to the Mac" Why say that when there are several Mac solutions? he's also planting false evidence for a non-existent crisis. By all means make a new usenet reader, but don't fly false flags to justify it, or to get people to participate in a fund raiser. If it's really worthwhile, he should publish the reader and seek contributions or license fees. -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 16:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <UKednZOJZtJxnAzOnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #60258 |
Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > Every single example you provided is understood perfectly without > accents and extended characters. But, my dear chap, consider the tennis-player Albert Montañés! Every day the poor bugger has to listen to the commentators calling him monTARnes — and can you blame them, when his name is spelt wrongly on the scoreboard? (Well yes, because it's their job to get these things right, but that's another story.) Paul Magnussen
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| From | Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 15:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lmsn9e$ilo$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60300 |
For your reference, records indicate that Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> wrote: > But, my dear chap, consider the tennis-player Albert Montañés! Every > day the poor bugger has to listen to the commentators calling him > monTARnes and can you blame them, when his name is spelt wrongly on > the scoreboard? I also have a feeling that Stephen Colbert has more going on with his last name than the common spelling suggests . . . :-) -- dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ
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| From | Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-18 22:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lnstg2$pjf$1@tota-refugium.de> |
| In reply to | #60300 |
On 06.06.2014 01:49, Paul Magnussen wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > >> Every single example you provided is understood perfectly without >> accents and extended characters. > > But, my dear chap, consider the tennis-player Albert Montañés! Every > day the poor bugger has to listen to the commentators calling him > monTARnes — and can you blame them, when his name is spelt wrongly on > the scoreboard? > And it makes no fun to see it unwillingly transcripted to Monta??s If I use UTF-8 to express something, I dont want my stuff to be garbled by a crappy incapacitated software. It's a matter of politeness to quote correctly. -- One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round. One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 18:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <zOmdnRjcH-LGcw3OnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #60235 |
On 2014.06.05, 11:36 , Paul Magnussen wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > >> Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet >> users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99% >> of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII. > > For American Usenet users, possibly, as Americans seem to disdain > accented characters (even in names like San José). > > For the rest of us who use words like résumé, café, Ångström, première, > etc. it is not irrelevant. Even for this poor thunderbird user, those accents come through perfectly. Not sure about: ≠ ± which show on the screen when typing... -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-05 18:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <zOmdnRvcH-Ihcw3OnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #60291 |
On 2014.06.05, 18:25 , Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2014.06.05, 11:36 , Paul Magnussen wrote:
>> Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>>
>>> Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet
>>> users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99%
>>> of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII.
>>
>> For American Usenet users, possibly, as Americans seem to disdain
>> accented characters (even in names like San José).
>>
>> For the rest of us who use words like résumé, café, Ångström, première,
>> etc. it is not irrelevant.
>
> Even for this poor thunderbird user, those accents come through perfectly.
>
> Not sure about: ≠ ± which show on the screen when typing...
Yep. They're okay reading too.
Don't need no stinkin' Unicode for Usenet.
--
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 02:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlp28tf.1isd.g.kreme@Amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #60292 |
In message <zOmdnRvcH-Ihcw3OnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.06.05, 18:25 , Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2014.06.05, 11:36 , Paul Magnussen wrote:
>>> Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unicode support is mostly irrelevant for the vast majority of Usenet
>>>> users who spend their time in English language only groups where 99.99%
>>>> of posts are easily expressed in only ASCII.
>>>
>>> For American Usenet users, possibly, as Americans seem to disdain
>>> accented characters (even in names like San José).
>>>
>>> For the rest of us who use words like résumé, café, Ångström, première,
>>> etc. it is not irrelevant.
>>
>> Even for this poor thunderbird user, those accents come through perfectly.
>>
>> Not sure about: ≠ ± which show on the screen when typing...
> Yep. They're okay reading too.
> Don't need no stinkin' Unicode for Usenet.
Then why are you posting in UTF-8, Hmmm?
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hoist(self,petard);
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You know a thorn can main / But a lover does the same / A gem will
reflect light / And a Fool will marvel at the sight / A fool such as me,
/Who sees not the gold, but the beauty of the shine
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Hc2dnQMg3_N6tQ_OnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #60309 |
On 2014.06.05, 22:13 , Lewis wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > hoist(self,petard); Doh! Thanks for proving the general point, however, Lewis: Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to him) there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era. Of course that is plain BS. While TB and others are not perfect, they do the job fine for most people. He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right". -- I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 19:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlp4ljq.dfr.timmcn@sugaree.local> |
| In reply to | #60378 |
On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:47:35 -0400, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to > him) there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era. > > Of course that is plain BS. > > While TB and others are not perfect, they do the job fine for most > people. Not for people used to using a good newsreader. > He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or > license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right". Why? Is he breaking some kind of law doing it the way he's doing it? If you're not going to put money into it because you're happy with Thunderbird or MacSOUP or some other outdated, unsupported newsreader or quasi-current expensive one that's fine. Don't chip in rather than being some sort of self-appointed arbiter of what he should or shouldn't do. The market will speak sufficiently. I think Doc has set the goal much too high but hopefully I will be wrong and that you can't stop the signal.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 20:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <LrydnUwBzpI0xg_OnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #60387 |
On 2014.06.06, 20:02 , Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:47:35 -0400, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to
>> him) there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era.
>>
>> Of course that is plain BS.
>>
>> While TB and others are not perfect, they do the job fine for most
>> people.
>
> Not for people used to using a good newsreader.
I've used many and TB fills my needs more than adequately. I hesitate
to imagine how much I'd have to use usenet for me to believe TB to be
not good.
>> He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or
>> license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right".
>
> Why? Is he breaking some kind of law doing it the way he's doing it?
Of course not. However given that he's presenting with deception rather
than truth, I'd be very wary.
Claim 1 that he makes:
"Bring Usenet Back to the Mac"
There is nothing to bring back. It never left - there are various
clients available and they do more that enough.
Claim 2 that he makes in an underhanded way: In his first post the OP
went to some length to show how "broken" clients were with his opening
sentence which I'll quote here:
I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working ...
yet, in the same post, he manages to post "I've" w/o issue in the 2nd
paragraph (quoted again):
I've done my best...
So why did it break in his contrived first para, but not in his other
para. Did he forget to insert the widdle bug string?
> The market will speak sufficiently. I think Doc has set the goal
> much too high but hopefully I will be wrong and that you can't stop the
> signal.
If he reaches that goal then I hope he delivers for those who pony up.
The goal he set is more along the lines of someone developing a bit of
hardware and where some tooling or material orders are needed which is
usually how these campaigns go.
(Yes I have pledged to such in the past and I got a widget out of it at
half the retail price).
--
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-07 01:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bvf9srFgllqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60389 |
On 2014-06-07, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.06.06, 20:02 , Tim McNamara wrote: > >>> He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or >>> license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right". >> >> Why? Is he breaking some kind of law doing it the way he's doing it? > > Of course not. However given that he's presenting with deception rather > than truth, I'd be very wary. > > Claim 1 that he makes: > "Bring Usenet Back to the Mac" > > There is nothing to bring back. It never left - there are various > clients available and they do more that enough. I interpreted it more as a gimmicky marketing phrase stating that the application will give Mac users a great Usenet experience. You seem to be taking it *quite* literally instead. That's fine, I guess, but we all know marketing slogans are typically anything but literal, factual statements. So to me, it seems just a little disingenuous to take such a harsh stance based on such a literal interpretation of a marketing slogan. And in the end, really, who gives a flying fuck? I'm much more interested in the actual usability and performance of the final product than any silly marketing text about it. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-06-06 18:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <060620141836349082%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #60389 |
In article <LrydnUwBzpI0xg_OnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > The market will speak sufficiently. I think Doc has set the goal > > much too high but hopefully I will be wrong and that you can't stop the > > signal. > > If he reaches that goal then I hope he delivers for those who pony up. > The goal he set is more along the lines of someone developing a bit of > hardware and where some tooling or material orders are needed which is > usually how these campaigns go. With 25 days to go and only $380 pledged, he's not going to make that goal of twenty grand, and that's a shame.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-07 02:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bvfch3FgllqU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60394 |
On 2014-06-07, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <LrydnUwBzpI0xg_OnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne ><alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> > The market will speak sufficiently. I think Doc has set the goal >> > much too high but hopefully I will be wrong and that you can't stop the >> > signal. >> >> If he reaches that goal then I hope he delivers for those who pony up. >> The goal he set is more along the lines of someone developing a bit of >> hardware and where some tooling or material orders are needed which is >> usually how these campaigns go. > > With 25 days to go and only $380 pledged, he's not going to make that > goal of twenty grand, and that's a shame. It probably needs to be announced to a much larger audience to see that kind of community action. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-06-07 17:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lmvjd0$u2h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60397 |
For your reference, records indicate that Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-06-07, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > > With 25 days to go and only $380 pledged, he's not going to make that > > goal of twenty grand, and that's a shame. > > It probably needs to be announced to a much larger audience to see that > kind of community action. It may also just be too late for Usenet. People have become too used to selling themselves to advertisers for the simple ability to talk to each other. Still, I have high hopes that either the right crowd will see the value, or some entity with a modest budget and a great idea will. There’s plenty of time for that to happen. -- dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-07 02:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bvfce2FgllqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60389 |
On 2014-06-07, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.06.06, 20:02 , Tim McNamara wrote: > >>> He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or >>> license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right". >> >> Why? Is he breaking some kind of law doing it the way he's doing it? > > Of course not. However given that he's presenting with deception rather > than truth, I'd be very wary. > [snip] > > Claim 2 that he makes in an underhanded way: In his first post the OP > went to some length to show how "broken" clients were with his opening > sentence which I'll quote here: > > I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working ... > > yet, in the same post, he manages to post "I've" w/o issue in the 2nd > paragraph (quoted again): > > I've done my best... > > So why did it break in his contrived first para, but not in his other > para. Did he forget to insert the widdle bug string? You may not know this, but the Unicode right single quotation mark character (2019) that you are so upset about is actually the very same "smart quote" character that the default Mac OS X configuration automatically replaces whenever you type the ASCII apostrophe character in a Cocoa application. Given that his message was posted (and probably composed) within a brand-new alpha-quality application more than opens the possibility that the characters appeared due to Cocoa's built-in replacement mechanism, and may have experienced a use case where some of the ASCII apostrophe characters did not get replaced with smart quotes. Why on Earth someone would immediately jump to the conclusion that something nefarious is going on here is beyond me. Again, it seems fairly disingenuous to me, and makes me wonder why you are so dedicated to railing again what could be a net benefit for the Mac/iOS community. Very strange behavior to me... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-07 12:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlp6k0u.er9.timmcn@sugaree.local> |
| In reply to | #60389 |
On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 20:24:08 -0400, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.06.06, 20:02 , Tim McNamara wrote: >> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:47:35 -0400, Alan Browne >> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to >>> him) there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era. >>> >>> Of course that is plain BS. >>> >>> While TB and others are not perfect, they do the job fine for most >>> people. >> >> Not for people used to using a good newsreader. > > I've used many and TB fills my needs more than adequately. I hesitate > to imagine how much I'd have to use usenet for me to believe TB to be > not good. It's not about how much you use Usenet but how efficiently your newsreader lets you use Usenet. MT-NW was very efficient, TB was not (I've tried about five different versions over the years). Currently I am using slrn and am in particular delighted by how scoring works with it- I see almost 0 spam messages with a handful of scoring rules. >>> He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or >>> license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right". >> >> Why? Is he breaking some kind of law doing it the way he's doing it? > > Of course not. However given that he's presenting with deception > rather than truth, I'd be very wary. > > Claim 1 that he makes: > "Bring Usenet Back to the Mac" > > There is nothing to bring back. It never left - there are various > clients available and they do more that enough. The available newreaders don't do it to his satisfaction, nor for that matter to mine. While slrn is OK, it is Terminal based, doesn't have its own text editor and you have to learn to edit configuration files. I've got that tweaked right now to my satisfaction so I don't have to spend time editing those for the forseeable future. But a good newsreader aimed at reading the news (rather than looking for binaries of various types distributed through newsgroups) and having conversations is lacking on the Mac. There are some outdated newsreaders that are years behind the times and as far as I can tell many of those run more by luck than by meaningful ongoing development. > Claim 2 that he makes in an underhanded way: In his first post the OP > went to some length to show how "broken" clients were with his opening > sentence which I'll quote here: > > I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working ... > > yet, in the same post, he manages to post "I've" w/o issue in the 2nd > paragraph (quoted again): > > I've done my best... > > So why did it break in his contrived first para, but not in his other > para. Did he forget to insert the widdle bug string? That's whatcha got? Seriously? And this is evidence of fraud, deception and sociopathy? Seems like a lot of judgment hangning from a tiny thread. >> The market will speak sufficiently. I think Doc has set the goal >> much too high but hopefully I will be wrong and that you can't stop >> the signal. > > If he reaches that goal then I hope he delivers for those who pony up. > The goal he set is more along the lines of someone developing a bit of > hardware and where some tooling or material orders are needed which is > usually how these campaigns go. I've never met Doc but he is a few miles from where I live. Thinking about programmer salaries around here, he's scheduled about 750 hours of development time. If he's got bills to pay and mouths to feed, I guess that doesn't seem unreasonable to me if it takes that much time to develop the code, debug it and get it up to distribution quality. I don't want to be one of those interwebs folks who seems to believe that if someone else is making a decent living they must be ripping me off. I get a kick out of people bitching about $1.99 iOS apps as being "too expensive." However given the relative handful of people still using Usenet, even with the existence of Google Groups, I have great doubt that there is enough interest to hit the $20,000 mark and that the exercise will not succeed because of that. > (Yes I have pledged to such in the past and I got a widget out of it > at half the retail price). Sometimes it works.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-07 17:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <duOdneo_wKZOFQ7OnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #60427 |
On 2014.06.07, 13:47 , Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 20:24:08 -0400, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.06.06, 20:02 , Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:47:35 -0400, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to
>>>> him) there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era.
>>>>
>>>> Of course that is plain BS.
>>>>
>>>> While TB and others are not perfect, they do the job fine for most
>>>> people.
>>>
>>> Not for people used to using a good newsreader.
>>
>> I've used many and TB fills my needs more than adequately. I hesitate
>> to imagine how much I'd have to use usenet for me to believe TB to be
>> not good.
>
> It's not about how much you use Usenet but how efficiently your
> newsreader lets you use Usenet. MT-NW was very efficient, TB was not
> (I've tried about five different versions over the years). Currently I
> am using slrn and am in particular delighted by how scoring works with
> it- I see almost 0 spam messages with a handful of scoring rules.
It's more than efficient enough for my needs.
I launch it.
I visit those groups that are highlighted in bold ('new stuff').
I list by date and read the topics to see what was updated - or by who
updated them - there are some people I'll read no matter what the subject.
I blast my words out and get into tumbles. I filter the more obnoxious
idiots and even the odd thread.
What more would I need.
Note that a few years ago I'd download large files with TB or Unison (or
XNews for those who remember that OS from Redmond) but I don't download
such from usenet anymore. So TB is more than adequate to do what is
essentially fancy texting.
>>>> He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or
>>>> license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right".
>>>
>>> Why? Is he breaking some kind of law doing it the way he's doing it?
>>
>> Of course not. However given that he's presenting with deception
>> rather than truth, I'd be very wary.
>>
>> Claim 1 that he makes:
>> "Bring Usenet Back to the Mac"
>>
>> There is nothing to bring back. It never left - there are various
>> clients available and they do more that enough.
>
> The available newreaders don't do it to his satisfaction, nor for that
> matter to mine. While slrn is OK, it is Terminal based, doesn't have
> its own text editor and you have to learn to edit configuration files.
> I've got that tweaked right now to my satisfaction so I don't have to
> spend time editing those for the forseeable future. But a good
> newsreader aimed at reading the news (rather than looking for binaries
> of various types distributed through newsgroups) and having
> conversations is lacking on the Mac. There are some outdated
> newsreaders that are years behind the times and as far as I can tell
> many of those run more by luck than by meaningful ongoing development.
I guess usenet's not that important to me. (From the number of posts I
make you'd think differently).
>> Claim 2 that he makes in an underhanded way: In his first post the OP
>> went to some length to show how "broken" clients were with his opening
>> sentence which I'll quote here:
>>
>> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working ...
>>
>> yet, in the same post, he manages to post "I've" w/o issue in the 2nd
>> paragraph (quoted again):
>>
>> I've done my best...
>>
>> So why did it break in his contrived first para, but not in his other
>> para. Did he forget to insert the widdle bug string?
>
> That's whatcha got? Seriously? And this is evidence of fraud,
> deception and sociopathy? Seems like a lot of judgment hangning from a
> tiny thread.
It isn't much but it sure twigged my suspicious neurons - coupled to a
$20 ask before committing. Doesn't pass the sniff test. Or mine anyway.
>
>>> The market will speak sufficiently. I think Doc has set the goal
>>> much too high but hopefully I will be wrong and that you can't stop
>>> the signal.
>>
>> If he reaches that goal then I hope he delivers for those who pony up.
>> The goal he set is more along the lines of someone developing a bit of
>> hardware and where some tooling or material orders are needed which is
>> usually how these campaigns go.
>
> I've never met Doc but he is a few miles from where I live. Thinking
> about programmer salaries around here, he's scheduled about 750 hours of
> development time. If he's got bills to pay and mouths to feed, I guess
> that doesn't seem unreasonable to me if it takes that much time to
> develop the code, debug it and get it up to distribution quality. I
> don't want to be one of those interwebs folks who seems to believe that
> if someone else is making a decent living they must be ripping me off.
> I get a kick out of people bitching about $1.99 iOS apps as being "too
> expensive."
I don't begrudge any reward to anyone for any work done. But the level
of amount asked by him is more typical of someone who also has to fork
out for material or tooling or some such.
Further, if the hew and cry to be saved from all these terrible usenet
apps is so loud, then he'd have no trouble covering it after release
under a donation/share/license model.
> However given the relative handful of people still using Usenet, even
> with the existence of Google Groups, I have great doubt that there is
> enough interest to hit the $20,000 mark and that the exercise will not
> succeed because of that.
>
>> (Yes I have pledged to such in the past and I got a widget out of it
>> at half the retail price).
>
> Sometimes it works.
Yep. I almost launched my own a couple years ago but found a lady doing
almost exactly the same.
--
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.
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| From | Darrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-06-08 19:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ln2d0g$lbt$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60427 |
For your reference, records indicate that Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > I've never met Doc but he is a few miles from where I live. Thinking > about programmer salaries around here, he's scheduled about 750 hours of > development time. Let me know where you can find competent Cocoa contractors for $27/hour. :-) Keep in mind that this isn’t all about just providing the 1.0.0 release in September, either. It’s (hopefully) about actually be able to give ongoing support for a number of 1.x revisions. If anybody thinks $20K is too high for the amount of effort required, you’re encouraged to simply fund or make use of something else. If Thunderbird is all you’ll pay for, then that’s all you’ll get. > I get a kick out of people bitching about $1.99 iOS apps as being "too > expensive." And that’s why I’m trying to find a path to “free”. > However given the relative handful of people still using Usenet, even > with the existence of Google Groups, I have great doubt that there is > enough interest to hit the $20,000 mark and that the exercise will not > succeed because of that. I expect you’re right, which saves me over $15K of future effort chasing a market that doesn’t exist. Still, what it costs is just a drop in the bucket for a lot for a lot of corporate projects I’ve worked on. It’ll be somewhat surprising if there is *nobody* with deep pockets that wants to do something in the cloud via Usenet. -- dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ
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| From | Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-08 22:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <bvk09gFgbbrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60518 |
Hi Darrin, On 2014-06-08 19:19:46 +0000, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary said: > dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ I don't know if you noticed that, but your things are not completely looking up. The "l" does not, at least not in Unison. -- cul8er Paul paul.foerster@gmx.net
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