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Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal

Started bybilly@MIX.COM
First post2014-06-03 16:01 +0000
Last post2014-06-10 20:02 +0000
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  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 16:01 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-03 17:00 +0000
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 19:12 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-04 18:10 +1200
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:41 +0000
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 04:25 +1200
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 17:31 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 05:37 +1200
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-04 19:01 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 07:21 +1200
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:26 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 06:04 +1200
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-05 23:13 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-06 14:26 +1200
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:26 +0200
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-11 09:25 +1200
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-05 08:38 +1000
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-04 21:33 -0400
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 03:50 +0000
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 18:40 +1200
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 14:13 +0000
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 15:32 +0000
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:01 -0700
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 09:31 -0700
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-05 18:40 +0200
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:06 -0700
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 18:37 +0000
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 18:59 -0700
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:16 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-05 22:56 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 03:20 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-05 23:53 -0500
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-06 08:19 -0700
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 08:45 -0700
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-06 15:10 +0000
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 05:44 +1200
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-05 18:09 +0000
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:58 +0000
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 19:21 +0000
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 08:36 -0700
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 09:00 -0700
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:04 -0700
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 09:23 -0700
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 17:47 +0100
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:09 -0700
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:16 -0700
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:22 -0700
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-05 14:30 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 18:45 -0700
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-05 21:57 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 18:43 +0000
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:06 -0700
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-05 23:46 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 23:35 -0700
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 09:03 +0200
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 04:55 -0700
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-06 13:07 +0100
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-06 08:23 -0700
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-06 23:31 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 15:40 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 04:45 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:48 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 15:00 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:46 +0200
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 08:40 -0700
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam@ab-katrinedal.dk (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2014-06-06 18:04 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 09:20 -0700
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 16:01 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:30 -0700
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:33 -0700
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:52 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam@ab-katrinedal.dk (Niels Jørgen Kruse) - 2014-06-07 10:46 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-07 10:02 -0700
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-06 09:15 -0700
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-06 19:30 -0400
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-05 11:04 -0700
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-06 05:55 +1200
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:28 -0400
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 15:58 -0700
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 16:49 -0700
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:38 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-06-18 22:40 +0200
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:25 -0400
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 18:27 -0400
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:13 +0000
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 16:47 -0400
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-06 19:02 -0500
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-06 20:24 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 01:57 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-06 18:36 -0700
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 02:42 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:50 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 02:41 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-07 12:47 -0500
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 17:49 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:19 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-08 22:44 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:03 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 09:18 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 16:39 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 18:56 +0200
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 21:16 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:44 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:25 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-09 22:12 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:46 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-09 09:08 +1000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-09 00:15 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-09 10:42 +1000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 05:36 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-09 04:17 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:19 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:35 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:39 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:44 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 12:30 -0500
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:32 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-10 11:04 +1000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:06 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 00:43 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:00 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-07 06:36 -0700
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 23:40 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-07 22:02 -0700
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-08 17:38 +1200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-08 18:03 +1200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 08:12 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 14:50 +0200
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 09:03 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 15:24 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 13:47 +1200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 08:05 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:54 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 00:44 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:05 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 21:33 +0000
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:01 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:18 -0700
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:44 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:57 -0700
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:42 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 10:01 -0700
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 16:47 -0500
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-09 03:25 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:20 -0500
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-08 20:46 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:17 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 09:32 -0700
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-12 20:24 -0400
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-12 18:33 -0700
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:06 -0400
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 17:56 -0400
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-16 16:31 -0700
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-17 19:00 -0400
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-18 06:57 -0700
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 19:41 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-09 08:48 +1200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 19:58 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:27 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:38 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:14 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-07-14 07:25 +0200
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-07-14 21:11 -0500
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-08-05 08:20 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 19:39 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 19:35 -0700
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:40 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:11 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 18:17 +1200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:43 -0500
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:01 -0400
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 17:41 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 14:53 +1000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 06:58 +0000
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 19:20 +1000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 17:18 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 18:52 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 06:30 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 13:41 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-08 11:20 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 22:00 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:36 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 15:31 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 16:32 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:02 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:17 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-11 02:01 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-11 16:10 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 22:35 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-12 01:10 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-12 07:15 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-12 17:41 -0400
                                Unmasking A Complete, Total Dickwad (was: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 04:17 +0000
                                  Re: Unmasking A Complete, Total Dickwad (was: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-16 14:42 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 04:28 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:43 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 14:00 +0000
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:35 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:50 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:22 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-08 22:44 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 12:37 +1200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:58 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:16 -0700
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:40 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-08 07:54 -0700
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:40 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:28 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:24 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-09 10:10 -0700
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 08:19 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:55 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 18:01 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:08 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 16:31 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-12 05:52 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 16:45 +0000
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 13:35 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-13 18:00 +0000
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 21:57 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 08:51 +1000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 11:51 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 00:00 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 14:10 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 09:49 +1000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 00:28 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:38 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-15 14:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:34 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 04:23 -0400
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 17:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 23:36 -0400
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 07:42 -0400
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 14:57 -0500
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 22:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 17:40 -0500
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 18:41 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 21:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 21:52 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:03 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 19:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:40 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 23:18 +0100
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-13 21:06 -0400
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 17:50 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 19:06 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-14 17:39 -0400
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 18:36 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 18:57 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-16 15:08 +1200
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 16:48 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-16 16:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 17:14 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-17 07:53 +1200
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 12:25 +1200
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:11 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:33 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:36 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:10 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 02:33 +0000
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 17:15 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:27 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:49 +0000
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:21 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:25 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:33 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 21:51 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:16 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:25 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-08 20:31 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:50 -0400
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-06 07:29 +0200
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:52 +0000
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:21 -0400
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 17:44 +0100
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-06-05 09:48 -0700
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-05 18:55 +0100
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:43 +0200
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:14 +0000
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 20:14 +0200
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:11 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-10 19:50 +0200
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:02 +0000

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#60490

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-08 10:35 -0400
Message-ID<RdSdncEvkPYj6QnOnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60484
On 2014.06.08, 10:00 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <GqidnfUBT_IJ9QnOnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.06.07, 13:41 , Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to him)
>>>> there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era.
>>>
>>> You are being intellectually dishonest.
>
>> You're the one claiming there is no usenet for Mac.  Talk about
>> intellectually dishonest!
>
> Seems accurate to me. There is not a single application for the Mac that
> I would consider even a passable USENET client. The best GUI option is
> ThunderBird, which is not a *Mac* application. There are CLI options,
> but again those are not *Mac* applications.

While TB may not be the perfect usenet client it is compiled for OS X 
and therefore a Mac app.

Believe it or not a lot of apps run on a lot of platforms.  So they may 
not conform to the particular target in all ways - OTOH, they don't 
conform to any specific target in any way.  AFAIK TB is available for OS 
X, Windows and Linux (possibly other Unix').

When you pause to think (recommended) that is how apps _should_ be 
written so that they can be deployed on more platforms and thereby 
reduce s/w development and maintenance cost.

A very good example is Photoshop.  It is almost identical in every 
function and UI on OS X and Windows.  (Yes, it is well funded too). 
It's original design may not have been that way - but they turned the 
ship quickly enough.

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#60515

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-08 17:50 +0000
Message-ID<ln27oe$thr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60490
For your reference, records indicate that 
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> While TB may not be the perfect usenet client it is compiled for OS X 
> and therefore a Mac app.

Your bar is set too low.  Eclipse is not a Mac app, as I loathe to experience
every time I have to do Java/Android development.  Nor is Audacity, or tons
of other software that come to the Mac in the form of ports.  It’s nice that
we can run it, when there is nothing else to get the job done, but nobody who
buys a Mac for the Mac experience does so because they think Mac apps and
ports are the same thing.  That is the heart of why your argument is so
obviously flawed that, for you to make it, is intellectually dishonest.

> When you pause to think (recommended) that is how apps _should_ be 
> written so that they can be deployed on more platforms and thereby 
> reduce s/w development and maintenance cost.

Only bean counters think that way.  Every professional software developer I
know puts the *user’s* benefit before their own.  If I have to maintain a
separate code base for Android and iOS because that results in the best user
experience, that’s what I do.  Mac developers and users, having been underdogs
for so long, understand this.  It is a rookie mistake to value the developer’s
time more than the user’s time, because the number of users for most software
dwarfs the number of developers.


-- 
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#60716

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-10 16:22 -0400
Message-ID<DOqdndymrp2d9ArOnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60515
On 2014.06.08, 13:50 , Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> While TB may not be the perfect usenet client it is compiled for OS X
>> and therefore a Mac app.
>
> Your bar is set too low.

It's fricking usenet.  It doesn't need to be set very high.

>
>> When you pause to think (recommended) that is how apps _should_ be
>> written so that they can be deployed on more platforms and thereby
>> reduce s/w development and maintenance cost.
>
> Only bean counters think that way.  Every professional software developer I
> know puts the *user’s* benefit before their own.  If I have to maintain a
> separate code base for Android and iOS because that results in the best user
> experience, that’s what I do.  Mac developers and users, having been underdogs
> for so long, understand this.  It is a rookie mistake to value the developer’s
> time more than the user’s time, because the number of users for most software
> dwarfs the number of developers.

Tell that to Adobe.


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#60548

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-06-08 22:44 +0000
Message-ID<ln2p0j$rof$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#60490
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> A very good example is Photoshop.  It is almost identical in every 
> function and UI on OS X and Windows.  (Yes, it is well funded too). 
> It's original design may not have been that way - but they turned the 
> ship quickly enough.

They did?

Adobe UI Gripes
http://adobegripes.tumblr.com

As I recall, this guy's been publishing this stuff for a long time.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#60555

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2014-06-09 12:37 +1200
Message-ID<1lmz4ah.1r0mbby11qidrtN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#60548
<billy@MIX.COM> wrote:

> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > A very good example is Photoshop.  It is almost identical in every 
> > function and UI on OS X and Windows.  (Yes, it is well funded too).
> > It's original design may not have been that way - but they turned the
> > ship quickly enough.
> 
> They did?
> 
> Adobe UI Gripes
> http://adobegripes.tumblr.com
> 
> As I recall, this guy's been publishing this stuff for a long time.
> 
> Billy Y..

Love that blog - been following it for years :-D I loath Abobe simply
because of their Flash bullshit (googling about that is how I found this
blog), but when I see the posts about the UI issues with their
professional apps, I shudder (as well as laugh a whole lot, and thank my
stars I've never needed more than GraphicConverter).
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#60729

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-10 16:58 -0400
Message-ID<bLCdnUAjmNb-7ArOnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60548
On 2014.06.08, 18:44 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> A very good example is Photoshop.  It is almost identical in every
>> function and UI on OS X and Windows.  (Yes, it is well funded too).
>> It's original design may not have been that way - but they turned the
>> ship quickly enough.
>
> They did?
>
> Adobe UI Gripes
> http://adobegripes.tumblr.com
>
> As I recall, this guy's been publishing this stuff for a long time.

Bitcher and moaner (but I agree, PS can be a bit mysterious at times).

My point was really about the x-platform identical(ish)ness.


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#60487

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-06-08 07:16 -0700
Message-ID<080620140716344832%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#60482
In article <GqidnfUBT_IJ9QnOnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to him)
> >> there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era.
> >
> > You are being intellectually dishonest.
> 
> You're the one claiming there is no usenet for Mac.  Talk about 
> intellectually dishonest!

As JR said, you're taking a marketing slogan way too literally!  Relax,
go to Washington state and have a toke.

-- Michelle

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#60491

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-08 10:40 -0400
Message-ID<c-mdnXLPfJtF6AnOnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60487
On 2014.06.08, 10:16 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <GqidnfUBT_IJ9QnOnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to him)
>>>> there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era.
>>>
>>> You are being intellectually dishonest.
>>
>> You're the one claiming there is no usenet for Mac.  Talk about
>> intellectually dishonest!
>
> As JR said, you're taking a marketing slogan way too literally!  Relax,
> go to Washington state and have a toke.

That alone wouldn't get my dander up - it's the whole stinking pile.

Since weed is all but legal here (you have to be really out there to 
even get fined for possesion) I don't have to waste any airmiles to 
toke.  Not that I do.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#60493

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-06-08 07:54 -0700
Message-ID<080620140754472434%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#60491
In article <c-mdnXLPfJtF6AnOnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.06.08, 10:16 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article <GqidnfUBT_IJ9QnOnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to him)
> >>>> there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era.
> >>>
> >>> You are being intellectually dishonest.
> >>
> >> You're the one claiming there is no usenet for Mac.  Talk about
> >> intellectually dishonest!
> >
> > As JR said, you're taking a marketing slogan way too literally!  Relax,
> > go to Washington state and have a toke.
> 
> That alone wouldn't get my dander up - it's the whole stinking pile.

Regardless, I think you are way way overreacting.

> Since weed is all but legal here (you have to be really out there to 
> even get fined for possesion) I don't have to waste any airmiles to 
> toke. 

Ah.  I wasn't sure what the situation was there regarding weed.

> Not that I do.

Waste air miles?

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#60500

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-08 12:40 -0400
Message-ID<48udnWqjyMxuDAnOnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60493
On 2014.06.08, 10:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <c-mdnXLPfJtF6AnOnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.06.08, 10:16 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>> In article <GqidnfUBT_IJ9QnOnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to him)
>>>>>> there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are being intellectually dishonest.
>>>>
>>>> You're the one claiming there is no usenet for Mac.  Talk about
>>>> intellectually dishonest!
>>>
>>> As JR said, you're taking a marketing slogan way too literally!  Relax,
>>> go to Washington state and have a toke.
>>
>> That alone wouldn't get my dander up - it's the whole stinking pile.
>
> Regardless, I think you are way way overreacting.

You're entitled to think anything you like.  In many ways I believe the 
OP is overreacting with his presentation that there is no "Mac solution" 
to using usenet with a Mac.

>
>> Since weed is all but legal here (you have to be really out there to
>> even get fined for possesion) I don't have to waste any airmiles to
>> toke.
>
> Ah.  I wasn't sure what the situation was there regarding weed.

Quebec is probably the most tolerant province - BC might be moreso. 
Quebec also has its own provincial police force where most other 
provinces (not all) rely on the RCMP who respond more to the desires of 
the federal government - currently led by George Bush Jr. (aka Stephen 
Harper).    Ontario has its own police - but apparently are stiff on pot.

Quebec governments are socially liberal (no matter who gets in) and 
cracking down on pot is really not a concern unless it is criminal gang 
related (Hells Angels, Unorganized Crime (the Italian mob), the Irish 
mob, etc.).  And that's not so much about the pot as the surrounding 
business policies and practices.

The police here (provincial or municipal stopped wasting resources on 
petty possession a long time ago.  They don't bust low level sellers 
(unless its an included offense for something else) - they prefer to go 
after the organizations.  Fewer, bigger busts.

Med mari is growing quickly too but under very strict fed oversight.

>
>> Not that I do.
>
> Waste air miles?

Both.  My last toke (which was probably my 10th, more or less) was about 
30 years ago.  That stuff wasn't as potent as today's better stuff.

I have nothing against it and I've entertained doing it again on 
occasion, but when offered I tend to decline.  One day...

Airmiles have piled up in several accounts.  I've used more of them to 
fly other people hither and yonder than myself come to think of it.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#60531

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-08 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<bvjvbbFfjjaU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#60500
On 2014-06-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.06.08, 10:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Regardless, I think you are way way overreacting.
>
> You're entitled to think anything you like.  In many ways I believe the 
> OP is overreacting with his presentation that there is no "Mac solution" 
> to using usenet with a Mac.

That's a flat-out lie. He never said that.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#60601

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-09 16:24 +0000
Message-ID<ln4n4n$j3t$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60531
For your reference, records indicate that 
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > On 2014.06.08, 10:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >>
> >> Regardless, I think you are way way overreacting.
> >
> > You're entitled to think anything you like.  In many ways I believe the 
> > OP is overreacting with his presentation that there is no "Mac solution" 
> > to using usenet with a Mac.
> 
> That's a flat-out lie. He never said that.

I’ve said a number of times that Unison is out there, but Alan refuses to
hear it because it makes him look foolish for parsing my tag line the way
he did (nevermind that he continually looks foolish for *not* admitting he
went overboard in taking offense at it).  To my thinking, the sticking point
for Unison is that it wants everyone to pay to use it.  I think a newsreader
pretty much as to end up being free at this point.  Therein lies the paradox
of having to pay for something new to be free.

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60614

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-06-09 10:10 -0700
Message-ID<2014060910100962504-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#60601
On 2014-06-09 16:24:56 +0000, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> said:

> For your reference, records indicate that
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-06-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.06.08, 10:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Regardless, I think you are way way overreacting.
>>> 
>>> You're entitled to think anything you like.  In many ways I believe the
>>> OP is overreacting with his presentation that there is no "Mac solution"
>>> to using usenet with a Mac.
>> 
>> That's a flat-out lie. He never said that.
> 
> I’ve said a number of times that Unison is out there, but Alan refuses to
> hear it because it makes him look foolish for parsing my tag line the way
> he did (nevermind that he continually looks foolish for *not* admitting he
> went overboard in taking offense at it).  To my thinking, the sticking point
> for Unison is that it wants everyone to pay to use it.

Unison 1.8.1 is free, and knowing what I know now I would never have 
installed Unison 2. For the most part it sits gathering dust as I can't 
stand the UI. For now my client of choice is Unison 1.8.1.

> I think a newsreader
> pretty much as to end up being free at this point.  Therein lies the paradox
> of having to pay for something new to be free.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#60666

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2014-06-10 08:19 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlpdg5l.lgv.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#60601
In article <ln4n4n$j3t$6@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> > On 2014.06.08, 10:54 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Regardless, I think you are way way overreacting.
>> >
>> > You're entitled to think anything you like.  In many ways I believe the
>> > OP is overreacting with his presentation that there is no "Mac solution"
>> > to using usenet with a Mac.
>>
>> That's a flat-out lie. He never said that.
>
> I’ve said a number of times that Unison is out there, but Alan refuses to
> hear it because it makes him look foolish for parsing my tag line the way
> he did (nevermind that he continually looks foolish for *not* admitting he
> went overboard in taking offense at it).  To my thinking, the sticking point
> for Unison is that it wants everyone to pay to use it.  I think a newsreader
> pretty much as to end up being free at this point.  Therein lies the paradox
> of having to pay for something new to be free.

I would gladly pay for a worthy NT-NW successor, but I won't pledge on an 
indiegogo/kickstarter thing for one, unfortunately. When/if it's done, I'll 
gladly pay for it, if it's any good. :)


-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#60679

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-10 16:55 +0000
Message-ID<ln7da6$2gl$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60666
For your reference, records indicate that 
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> I would gladly pay for a worthy NT-NW successor, but I won't pledge on an 
> indiegogo/kickstarter thing for one, unfortunately. When/if it's done, I'll 
> gladly pay for it, if it's any good. :)

No, you won’t; you’ll get it for free, just like everyone else.  That’s the
whole point of the approach I’m taking.  All past evidence shows that
people will, in fact, *not* pay for newsreaders.  At least not in the
numbers that make a full-blown development effort worth the risk.  I’m
telling you flat-out that this is the way it is:  your promise to pay me
Tuesday (maybe, if it’s good enough) for an app I develop today is not
acceptable in this case.  If you don’t find the Indiegogo proposal
acceptable, unless you’re willing to offer a better compromise solution,
my development efforts are best directed elsewhere.

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60694

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2014-06-10 18:01 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlpei81.lgv.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#60679
In article <ln7da6$2gl$6@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

>> I would gladly pay for a worthy NT-NW successor, but I won't pledge on an
>> indiegogo/kickstarter thing for one, unfortunately. When/if it's done, I'll
>> gladly pay for it, if it's any good. :)
>
> No, you won’t; you’ll get it for free, just like everyone else.

Maybe I can't pay for it, but I *would* if it cost money. It's a bit of a 
difference. 

> That’s the whole point of the approach I’m taking.  All past evidence 
> shows that people will, in fact, *not* pay for newsreaders.

Well, Panic hasn't shut down Unison in a lot of years, and people seem to 
be using it. Maybe not a critical mass amount of people, but there 
certainly is room for a commercial usenet client that is good.

> At least not in the numbers that make a full-blown development effort 
> worth the risk.  I’m telling you flat-out that this is the way it is: 
> your promise to pay me Tuesday (maybe, if it’s good enough) for an app I 
> develop today is not acceptable in this case.  If you don’t find the 
> Indiegogo proposal acceptable, unless you’re willing to offer a better 
> compromise solution, my development efforts are best directed elsewhere.

Then go ahead. Like I said, I wouldn't invest in a future product that I 
can't test run. I'm sure Signal could be the mother of all usenet clients, 
or it could just as easily be really crap. I don't know, so I won't pay you 
today what you promise will be delivered on tuesday that maybe will be good 
enough.

I'm not questioning you as a developer or the project's prospects or 
anything, I'm just giving you my stance on what and where I would support 
software projects.

I'm a developer myself, and I develop things *I* need, and *I* use and if 
others wan't to use it or pay me money to use it, then win-win! :)


-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#60711

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-06-10 20:08 +0000
Message-ID<ln7oj6$hs$3@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#60694
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> Well, Panic hasn't shut down Unison in a lot of years, and people seem to 
> be using it. Maybe not a critical mass amount of people, but there 
> certainly is room for a commercial usenet client that is good.

The also sell access to what is now call Highwinds news service for
US$9 a month.  The network serving it is pretty good (very fast), too.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#60776

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-11 16:31 +0000
Message-ID<lna09h$ukb$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60694
For your reference, records indicate that 
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> Maybe I can't pay for it, but I *would* if it cost money. It's a bit of a 
> difference. 

I understand that but, as I noted, the historical evidence is not on the
side of successful commercial newsreaders.  Even a generous reading of
how the Indiegogo campaign is proceeding continues to support that point.
To make it clear: the fact that you are unwilling to even put in
an-almost-certainly-fully-refunded $10 makes me unwilling to believe in
your future business.

> Well, Panic hasn't shut down Unison in a lot of years, and people seem to 
> be using it. Maybe not a critical mass amount of people, but there 
> certainly is room for a commercial usenet client that is good.

Until evidence is available that shows it has at least broken even on
development costs, Unison can’t really be held up as a successful
newsreader.  Having paid for the 1.x version, I ended up getting the
impression that they don’t much care what their customer’s needs are
in a newsreader.  Strikes me more like a pet project with a price
tag than a commercial app.

> Then go ahead. Like I said, I wouldn't invest in a future product that I 
> can't test run. I'm sure Signal could be the mother of all usenet clients, 
> or it could just as easily be really crap. I don't know, so I won't pay you 
> today what you promise will be delivered on tuesday that maybe will be good 
> enough.

And that’s the thing.  As has been pointed out by others, everyone has
their own particular set of things they want from a newsreader.  I assert
that *no* app that is done simply as a product can initially meet all those
needs.  Only a project such as I have proposed, with long-term community
input, can hope to become what *you* want.  That being the case, I’d be a
fool to throw hours into developing features that people still won’t pay
for.  I’ve demoed my starting point; if you don’t see that as something to
build on, then just keep walking.

> I'm not questioning you as a developer or the project's prospects or 
> anything, I'm just giving you my stance on what and where I would support 
> software projects.

Not at all, it seems.  Projects are *living* things, not just something
you throw down a bill for and walk out of the store.

> I'm a developer myself, and I develop things *I* need, and *I* use and if 
> others wan't to use it or pay me money to use it, then win-win! :)

I do the same, but I also run a business that sees value in what *other*
people need and use and want.  Right now, I’m trying to see if they really
want a new newsreader.  Some do, some like you don’t, and some people appear
to have gone off the deep end.


-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60831

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2014-06-12 05:52 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlpig98.tbg.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#60776
In article <lna09h$ukb$4@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

>> Maybe I can't pay for it, but I *would* if it cost money. It's a bit of a
>> difference.
>
> I understand that but, as I noted, the historical evidence is not on the
> side of successful commercial newsreaders.  Even a generous reading of
> how the Indiegogo campaign is proceeding continues to support that point.
> To make it clear: the fact that you are unwilling to even put in
> an-almost-certainly-fully-refunded $10 makes me unwilling to believe in
> your future business.

Which is fine with me, I not here to convince anyone. I've paid for more 
shareware than most, I gather. 

>> Well, Panic hasn't shut down Unison in a lot of years, and people seem to
>> be using it. Maybe not a critical mass amount of people, but there
>> certainly is room for a commercial usenet client that is good.
>
> Until evidence is available that shows it has at least broken even on
> development costs, Unison can’t really be held up as a successful
> newsreader.

But that wasn't the topic, either. The topic was whether people are willing 
to pay for usenet software. A popular Windows client is Agent, which also 
costs money.

> Having paid for the 1.x version, I ended up getting the
> impression that they don’t much care what their customer’s needs are
> in a newsreader.  Strikes me more like a pet project with a price
> tag than a commercial app.

Sure.

>> Then go ahead. Like I said, I wouldn't invest in a future product that I
>> can't test run. I'm sure Signal could be the mother of all usenet clients,
>> or it could just as easily be really crap. I don't know, so I won't pay you
>> today what you promise will be delivered on tuesday that maybe will be good
>> enough.
>
> And that’s the thing.  As has been pointed out by others, everyone has
> their own particular set of things they want from a newsreader.  I assert
> that *no* app that is done simply as a product can initially meet all those
> needs.

Of course not.

> Only a project such as I have proposed, with long-term community
> input, can hope to become what *you* want.  That being the case, I’d be a
> fool to throw hours into developing features that people still won’t pay
> for.  I’ve demoed my starting point; if you don’t see that as something to
> build on, then just keep walking.

Isn't that exactly what I'm doing? :)

>> I'm not questioning you as a developer or the project's prospects or
>> anything, I'm just giving you my stance on what and where I would support
>> software projects.
>
> Not at all, it seems.

Then it "seems" wrong to you. I've supported many software projects. I run 
a few myself, in fact.

> Projects are *living* things, not just something
> you throw down a bill for and walk out of the store.

Exactly.

>> I'm a developer myself, and I develop things *I* need, and *I* use and if
>> others wan't to use it or pay me money to use it, then win-win! :)
>
> I do the same, but I also run a business that sees value in what *other*
> people need and use and want.  Right now, I’m trying to see if they really
> want a new newsreader.  Some do, some like you don’t, and some people appear
> to have gone off the deep end.

Huh? I very much want a new newsreader. I am currently using slrn since 
MT-NW died. slrn is great, but I miss a lot of things in MT-NW. We're not 
discussing my needs of a good news reader, but rather whether or not I 
would pay someone money today on things they promise to deliver on tuesday.

It's the chicken and the egg - you won't develop without some money first, 
and some people don't want to give you money unless they see a more or less 
finnished version of the product. That's just... life :)


-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#60845

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-12 16:45 +0000
Message-ID<lnclef$uc3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60831
For your reference, records indicate that 
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> But that wasn't the topic, either. The topic was whether people are willing 
> to pay for usenet software. A popular Windows client is Agent, which also 
> costs money.

Windows was, and almost certainly still is, a much larger market than
the Mac.  iOS is a different story, but people also expect to pay less
for apps there, and generally still expect to pay nothing at all for
yet another social networking service.  It’s not just a question *that*
people are willing to pay, but that they’re willing to pay *enough* to
justify the development costs.  That’s why people saying they “might” be
willing to part with $20 after 1000 hours get sunk into an app just
isn’t going to motivate any sane developers.

> > I do the same, but I also run a business that sees value in what *other*
> > people need and use and want.  Right now, I’m trying to see if they really
> > want a new newsreader.  Some do, some like you don’t, and some people appear
> > to have gone off the deep end.
> 
> Huh? I very much want a new newsreader.

No, you don’t.  You say you do, but when push comes to shove you seem
unwilling to offer up even $10 to demonstrate how “very much” you want it.
Other people have not only demonstrated otherwise, but have done so with
the understanding that starting from square one means that Signal would
not come out of the door fully functional on day one.  If the contrast
there does not seem stark to you, I encourage you to be a bit more
introspective.

> We're not 
> discussing my needs of a good news reader, but rather whether or not I 
> would pay someone money today on things they promise to deliver on tuesday.

In the context of crowdfunding, at least as I see it, it is the best way
to vote with your wallet in the early stages of product development.  I did
my best to build in benefits for that kind of support.  I get that it’s not
for everyone, or maybe even most people.  If you prefer the certainty of
the commercial market, go buy Unison.

> It's the chicken and the egg - you won't develop without some money first, 

Exactly wrong.  I’ve already done significant development.  Watch the
campaign video.  I even took a screencast of me posting the root message
for this thread, if you want to see that.  And, of course, the ample posts
I’ve made since.  I can’t explain why people like you refuse to acknowledge
the ample evidence that is on display.

> and some people don't want to give you money unless they see a more or less 
> finnished version of the product. That's just... life :)

Life changes.  If people don’t change with it, they should not be surprised
if a project doesn’t turn into a product.

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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