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  Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 09:55 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-26 19:25 +0200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2014-05-26 19:02 +0100
      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 08:53 +1200
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:59 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:18 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 13:53 +1200
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 08:30 +0200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 19:01 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-05-28 19:34 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 10:06 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-28 09:06 +0000
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-05-28 12:30 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-29 08:58 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-03 16:59 +0200
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:24 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 08:50 +0200
                      Re: Kids react to old computers David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2014-06-04 08:11 +0100
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 19:19 +1200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-04 14:39 +0200
                          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 09:33 +1200
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2014-06-05 09:05 +0200
                Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:06 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 14:04 -0700
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-08 00:17 +0000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-08 14:36 -0600
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 01:12 +0000
                          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-08 21:22 -0400
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:40 +1200
                              Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 15:13 -0600
                                Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:34 +1200
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2014-07-09 08:03 -0600
                              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-10 09:18 +1200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-09 13:42 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:43 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 09:17 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:44 -0400
                      Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:59 +1000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-08 16:10 +1200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 19:05 +0100
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 13:53 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 17:23 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:09 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:19 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-26 22:23 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers bknight@conramp.net - 2014-05-26 16:48 -0500
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 15:10 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-05-27 08:43 +1000
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 18:08 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 13:31 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-27 05:14 +0000
          Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-05-27 17:04 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-27 15:38 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2014-05-27 23:58 +0100
    Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:14 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 13:49 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 14:12 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 17:57 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-26 18:07 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 18:39 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-26 20:20 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 22:23 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-07 20:13 -0700
              Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-07 20:31 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-07-14 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-15 10:19 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:19 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 17:24 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-26 22:16 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-27 08:41 +0100
          Re: Kids react to old computers TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-05-26 21:48 -0500
        Re: Kids react to old computers mortman <mortn@comcast.net> - 2014-05-26 21:12 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-26 21:00 -0500
          Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 19:35 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-27 16:08 +1200
            Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-26 22:00 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:06 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 18:16 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:22 -0500
            Re: Kids react to old computers Harry Mudd <Agent001@Section-31.org> - 2014-06-04 22:48 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-27 12:39 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-27 16:13 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 09:02 +1200
                Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-27 18:15 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 17:10 +1200
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-05-28 15:44 +0000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-31 07:47 -0700
                Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:41 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 21:50 -0700
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-28 18:11 +1200
      Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:20 -0500
    Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-27 01:17 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-05-27 10:18 -0500
      Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:17 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 09:36 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-05-27 09:47 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-05-27 12:27 -0700
    Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-27 16:40 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-28 00:25 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-31 11:12 -0400
          Re: Kids react to old computers Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-06-01 14:45 +0000
            Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 09:24 +1200
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-02 14:45 +1200
    Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 19:42 +0200
      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-01 14:01 -0400
        Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:01 +0200
          Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-02 11:29 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-06 06:14 +0200
              Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 01:33 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-05 23:22 -0700
                  Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-06 02:36 -0400
                    Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-06 02:41 -0400
                      Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:21 +0200
                        Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-06 00:00 -0700
                    Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:20 +0200
                      Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:52 +1000
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 04:08 +0000
                          Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:48 +1000
                        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-07 23:43 -0700
                          Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 19:36 +1000
                            Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-08 03:09 -0700
                              Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 07:15 +1000
                      Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 10:13 -0400
                Re: Kids react to old computers Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:18 +0200
                  Re: Kids react to old computers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-07 18:03 +0100
                    Re: Kids react to old computers News <News@Group.Post> - 2014-06-07 14:08 -0400
                  Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-08 11:51 +1000
                  Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-07 13:46 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-06 18:36 +1200
        Re: Kids react to old computers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-07 13:51 +1000
      Re: Kids react to old computers Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-01 21:54 -0400
    Re: Kids react to old computers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-07-07 09:05 -0400
      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 06:58 -0700
        Re: Kids react to old computers Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-09 07:01 -0700
          Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:02 -0700
            Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 12:24 -0400
            Re: Kids react to old computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-09 18:00 +0000
            Re: Kids react to old computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-09 16:01 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-09 16:21 -0400
              Re: Kids react to old computers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-09 13:40 -0700
      Re: Kids react to old computers Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-09 07:04 -0700

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#59729

On 2014-05-27 01:39:52 +0000, Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> said:

> In article <vilain-0959DE.18075326052014@news.individual.net>,
>  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
>> I kept the Pickett Slide Rule my father proudly gave me for a high
>> school graduation present. Once the HP45 came down in price, I never
>> touched it again.
> 
> A, B, C, D, S, T, LL1, LL2, LL3. So much fun.
> 
>> --
>> DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
> 
> DeeDee don't lose that newsgroup.
> It's the only one that hasn't plonked you.

Press to arm, release to detonate.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#62074

In article <vilain-0959DE.18075326052014@news.individual.net>,
 Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <2014052617572585979-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-05-26 20:49:12 +0000, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> said:
> > 
> > > In article
> > > <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >  Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> In article <260520140955077061%michelle@michelle.org>,
> > >> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > >>> 
> > >>> -- Michelle
> > >>> 
> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > >> 
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> > >> 
> > >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > > 
> > > I haven't seen NOS since my 2nd job in 1981.  And yes, it was on a CDC
> > > machine.  60-bit machine. Last 2 registers to read/write to memory.
> > > Very strange.
> > 
> > My initiation into FORTRAN was on two NCR machines, a Century 100 and a 
> > Century 200. That got me moving beyond the abacus & slide rule, though 
> > there has never really been anything to replace those two. I still have 
> > two, at ;east 50 year old, yellowing slide rules in my aging artifact 
> > pile.
> 
> I kept the Pickett Slide Rule my father proudly gave me for a high 
> school graduation present. Once the HP45 came down in price, I never 
> touched it again.

If you ever have children you could tell them that in the old daze you 
had to do arithmetic by rubbing two sticks together.

-- 
Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.

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#62077

In article <proto-CA00EF.22235607072014@news.panix.com>,
 Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:

> In article <vilain-0959DE.18075326052014@news.individual.net>,
>  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <2014052617572585979-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> >  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 2014-05-26 20:49:12 +0000, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> said:
> > > 
> > > > In article
> > > > <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > >  Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> In article <260520140955077061%michelle@michelle.org>,
> > > >> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > > >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> -- Michelle
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > > >> 
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> > > >> 
> > > >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't seen NOS since my 2nd job in 1981.  And yes, it was on a CDC
> > > > machine.  60-bit machine. Last 2 registers to read/write to memory.
> > > > Very strange.
> > > 
> > > My initiation into FORTRAN was on two NCR machines, a Century 100 and a 
> > > Century 200. That got me moving beyond the abacus & slide rule, though 
> > > there has never really been anything to replace those two. I still have 
> > > two, at ;east 50 year old, yellowing slide rules in my aging artifact 
> > > pile.
> > 
> > I kept the Pickett Slide Rule my father proudly gave me for a high 
> > school graduation present. Once the HP45 came down in price, I never 
> > touched it again.
> 
> If you ever have children you could tell them that in the old daze you 
> had to do arithmetic by rubbing two sticks together.

That's differential calculus not arithmetic.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.

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#62078

On 2014-07-08 02:23:56 +0000, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> said:

> In article <vilain-0959DE.18075326052014@news.individual.net>,
>  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
>> In article <2014052617572585979-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2014-05-26 20:49:12 +0000, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> said:
>>> 
>>>> In article
>>>> <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <260520140955077061%michelle@michelle.org>,
>>>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
>>>>>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Michelle
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
>>>>> 
>>>>> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't seen NOS since my 2nd job in 1981.  And yes, it was on a CDC
>>>> machine.  60-bit machine. Last 2 registers to read/write to memory.
>>>> Very strange.
>>> 
>>> My initiation into FORTRAN was on two NCR machines, a Century 100 and a
>>> Century 200. That got me moving beyond the abacus & slide rule, though
>>> there has never really been anything to replace those two. I still have
>>> two, at ;east 50 year old, yellowing slide rules in my aging artifact
>>> pile.
>> 
>> I kept the Pickett Slide Rule my father proudly gave me for a high
>> school graduation present. Once the HP45 came down in price, I never
>> touched it again.
> 
> If you ever have children you could tell them that in the old daze you
> had to do arithmetic by rubbing two sticks together.

...and don't forget to tell them that you can start a fire by rubbing 
two boy scouts together.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#62230

In article <2014070720313196220-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> ...and don't forget to tell them that you can start a fire by rubbing 
> two boy scouts together.

Well, NOW you can. As long as they're not adults.

-- 
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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#62261

In article <dfmanno-CBA3E1.17453314072014@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:

> > ...and don't forget to tell them that you can start a fire by rubbing 
> > two boy scouts together.
> 
> Well, NOW you can. As long as they're not adults.

Hilariously laughing.  I wonder how many people will get that.

-- Michelle

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#59711

In article
<chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> 
> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg

the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.

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#59715

In article <260520141819599430%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
> Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > > They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> > > reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> > 
> > While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> 
> the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.

Like it or no, some of us contributed to the nuclear test ban treaty. The US 
government developed software originally on Cray and CDC computers that allows 
an accurate simulation of nuclear processes that US decided it could trust 
supercomputer software simulation of storage rather than detonate a warhead 
every few years.

IBM S/360 is long dead, but that's why Motorola and Intel chips started with 8 
bit bytes instead of 6, 12, 7, 9, or some other number.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.

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#59725

On 14-05-26 20:24, Siri Crews wrote:

> IBM S/360 is long dead, but that's why Motorola and Intel chips started with 8 
> bit bytes instead of 6, 12, 7, 9, or some other number.

FYI, the architecture that started off as 360 is still alive and doing
well at IBM. It has evolved over the years with multiple iterations. I
believe IBM calls it System Z these days.

Not sure if the older OS on it still exists (DOS/VSE and perhaps older
ones). With VSAM, on DOS/VSE, a batch job had to specify track numbers
on a disk instead of a dataset name ! (circa 1983, I know Readers Digest
in USA and Canada still used it and they upgraded to VSAM to not only
support indexed files but also files !!!!

(VM/CMS did have filenames but only for the users within their own VM).

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#59740

In article <5383f599$0$59729$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-05-26 20:24, Siri Crews wrote:
> 
> > IBM S/360 is long dead, but that's why Motorola and Intel chips started
> > with 8 
> > bit bytes instead of 6, 12, 7, 9, or some other number.
> 
> FYI, the architecture that started off as 360 is still alive and doing
> well at IBM. It has evolved over the years with multiple iterations. I
> believe IBM calls it System Z these days.
> 
> Not sure if the older OS on it still exists (DOS/VSE and perhaps older
> ones). With VSAM, on DOS/VSE, a batch job had to specify track numbers
> on a disk instead of a dataset name ! (circa 1983, I know Readers Digest
> in USA and Canada still used it and they upgraded to VSAM to not only
> support indexed files but also files !!!!
> 
> (VM/CMS did have filenames but only for the users within their own VM).

But you could mount another user's disk and then see their files too.

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#59727

On 2014-05-27 00:24:31 +0000, Siri Crews said:

> IBM S/360 is long dead, but that's why Motorola and Intel chips started with 8
> bit bytes instead of 6, 12, 7, 9, or some other number.

Somehow this discussion of the IBM S/360 takes me back to the first 
computer I programmed back in 1960, the ANFSQ7, a huge vacuum tube 
monster built by IBM and which occupied a very large room and which I 
jokingly say probably didn't have as much computing power as one today 
finds in a Hallmark greeting card!    :-)

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#59720

On 5/26/2014 6:19 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article
> <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
> Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
>> > reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
>>
>> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
>
> the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
>
This is the way it was not that long ago.
  Hard to believe based upon what we can do today.
I wonder how  today's technology will be viewed 10-20 years from now 
(although some of us will never know).

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#59724

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
> Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
>>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>>> 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
>> 
>> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> 
> the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.

I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
Apple Mac did.

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#59726

In article 
<815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>,
 Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
> > Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> >> 
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> >> 
> >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > 
> > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> 
> I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
> Apple Mac did.

The Apple 2 was a piece of crap compared to the personal computers of the day, 
like Apollo and all those neat toys at Xerox Parc, but it was the first widely 
available home computer that openned a new market. Z80 and 8080 boxes were ad 
hoc affairs; Apple 2 was packaged and somewhat supported. It spurred IBM and 
then Microsoft and the Clone Wars, with Apple coming back with the Mac.

Nostalgia can be a fun game, but I'll never go back to an O29 keypunch and 512 
printer.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.

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#59730

In article
<815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com>
, Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
> > Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> >> 
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> >> 
> >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > 
> > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> 
> I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
> Apple Mac did.

The Apple II was the start of the true desktop / "personal" computer
for normal people, rather than the kitset computers for electronics
hobbyists. It was only after the Apple II that IBM, Commodore, etc. all
started jumping on the bandwagon and making desktop computers.

Apple may not have been the first in all the various categories, but
Apple has certainly been the company that kickstarted many of them,
including personal computers, mouse-GUI interfaces, desktop laser
printers, desktop publishing, MP3 players, tablets, smartphones,
laptops, App Store, iTunes, manufacturer retail stores, etc.

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#59733

In article <270520141608063767%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The Apple II was the start of the true desktop / "personal" computer
> for normal people, rather than the kitset computers for electronics
> hobbyists. It was only after the Apple II that IBM, Commodore, etc. all
> started jumping on the bandwagon and making desktop computers.

The Apple ][, TRS 80 wand Commodore PET were release within a 3-month
period.  The first personal computer I ever saw was a Commodore PET at
a demonstration given by David Ahl 36 years ago this weekend.

The second one I ever saw was a TRS-80 a few weeks later.  I didn't see
an Apple ][ until a month or two after that.

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#59764

On 14-05-27 00:08, Your Name wrote:
> The Apple II was the start of the true desktop / "personal" computer
> for normal people, rather than the kitset computers for electronics
> hobbyists.

Pardon my faulty loading of memory from a casette, but which came first
to stores; the Commodore PET or Apple ][ ?


My casette loaded memory seems to recall the PET was more prominent in
those hobby computer stores. (but casette loaded memory has been known
to fail).


(just dawned on me: casette = small case !)

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#59773

In article <53850c7c$0$58583$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Pardon my faulty loading of memory from a casette, but which came first
> to stores; the Commodore PET or Apple ][ ?

Wikipedia has the answer.

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#59748

In article 
<815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com
>,
 Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
> > Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
> >>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
> >> 
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
> >> 
> >> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
> > 
> > the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
> 
> I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
> Apple Mac did.

Been there 8-)  My first computer experience was with an interactive 
language program on the UMinn system in 1975.  Second was an Apple //e a 
decade later.  Then there was my first Mac. WOW!

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#60194

On 5/27/2014 11:22 AM, erilar wrote:
> In article
> <815778184422848777.321206recliner2-news-yahoo.co.uk@news.btinternet.com
>> ,
>   Recliner <recliner2-news@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <chine.bleu-20BC42.12141526052014@news.eternal-september.org>, Siri
>>> Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They're using an Apple ][, but would have had essentially the same
>>>>> reaction if it had been a Commodore PET or TRS-80.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zk1zByXpBk
>>>>
>>>> While Wozniak was working on Apple 2, I was working on
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvLlfXZMBXg
>>>
>>> the apple ii changed the world, not what you were doing.
>>
>> I don't think the Apple II changed the world, but you could argue that the
>> Apple Mac did.
>
> Been there 8-)  My first computer experience was with an interactive
> language program on the UMinn system in 1975.  Second was an Apple //e a
> decade later.  Then there was my first Mac. WOW!
>
My first computer experience was a VIC 20, then a Commodore 64, 
followed by a Commodore 128, and then an >AMIGA<.  The Amiga was a 
*cool* computer...

-- 
Harry

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