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  Phone Wakes Tiger csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-05-20 15:39 -0700
    Re: Phone Wakes Tiger Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-20 23:38 +0000
      Re: Phone Wakes Tiger csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-05-20 23:51 -0700
        Re: Phone Wakes Tiger dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-21 19:12 +1200
        Re: Phone Wakes Tiger JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-21 04:59 -0400
        Re: Phone Wakes Tiger Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-21 14:03 +0000
        Re: Phone Wakes Tiger csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-05-21 23:50 -0700
          Re: Phone Wakes Tiger Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-22 15:42 +0000
    Re: Phone Wakes Tiger Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-05-21 01:03 +0000
      Re: Phone Wakes Tiger csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-05-20 23:51 -0700
        Re: Phone Wakes Tiger JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-21 05:05 -0400
    Re: Phone Wakes Tiger Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-21 13:37 +1200
      Re: Phone Wakes Tiger csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2014-05-20 23:51 -0700

#59553 — Phone Wakes Tiger

     I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?

     I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.


                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#59555

On 2014-05-20, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
>      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
> when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
>
>      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
> archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
> Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.

Disable this setting:

System Preferences > Energy Saver > Wake for Ethernet access

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#59568

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-05-20, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> >      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
> > when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
> >
> >      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
> > archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
> > Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.
> 
> Disable this setting:
> 
> System Preferences > Energy Saver > Wake for Ethernet access

     Many thanks. When looking for that I found another enabled setting
called "Wake when the modem detects a ring."I've disabled that one but
left the "Wake of Ethernet access" enabled. I'm not sure what "Ethernet
access" means (Help doesn't help) but I think I might want it when I try
to wirelessly connect another computer to the G4.

     I'll report the results of this experiment.

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#59572

Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-05-20, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > >      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
> > > when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
> > >
> > >      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
> > > archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
> > > Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.
> > 
> > Disable this setting:
> > 
> > System Preferences > Energy Saver > Wake for Ethernet access
> 
>      Many thanks. When looking for that I found another enabled setting
> called "Wake when the modem detects a ring."I've disabled that one but
> left the "Wake of Ethernet access" enabled. I'm not sure what "Ethernet
> access" means (Help doesn't help) but I think I might want it when I try
> to wirelessly connect another computer to the G4.

"Wake when the modem detects a ring" only applies to the built-in modem
in the G4, if you have the telephone line plugged directly into the G4
(e.g. if you are using a dial-up Internet connection, or you use the G4
to send or receive faxes).

The "Wake for Ethernet access" option refers to a mechanism supported by
many computers called a "Magic Packet", which is a specially formed
Ethernet packet that identifies a specific computer to be woken
(incorporating the globally unique hardware address of the Ethernet
interface, also known as the "MAC address", which Apple usually refers
to as the "Ethernet ID" in System Preferences).

If that packet is detected and the option is enabled, then the Mac will
wake up. It is typically used by "Wake on LAN" software, or recent
Airport base stations which support acting as a Bonjour sleep proxy and
can wake up a sleeping server when a connection attempt is made to a
service which the computer had advertised on the network prior to going
to sleep.

This packet would not be randomly appearing on your network (with the
correct checksum) just because the telephone rang. Something external
would have to be deliberately sending it. The DSL modem might have the
ability to send that packet (from its administrative user interface),
but I've never heard of one which does so automatically in response to a
ringing signal on the telephone line.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#59573

On 14-05-21 02:51, Charles H. Sampson wrote:

> left the "Wake of Ethernet access" enabled. I'm not sure what "Ethernet
> access" means (Help doesn't help) 


Wake on Ethernet is a setting that makes the ethernet card not sleep.
Upon receo]t of a specially crafted ETHERNET packet, the ethernet card
sends a signal to the machine to wakeup. You phone would not be sending
such a packet to that machine.

If your phone is left connected to your mac to recharge etc, it is
possible that when you wake up the phone, it wakes up the machine (and a
inbound call would wake up the phone).

You can test this fairly easily: when phone and computer are asleep,
just press the home button on the phone to wake it up and see if it
wakes up the computer.

Another possibility: if you have photos on the iphone, it may also start
the iPhone application when it wakes up.

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#59580

In message <1llyxjr.1j2nvaz1k773y5N%csampson@inetworld.net> 
  Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2014-05-20, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
>> >      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
>> > when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
>> >
>> >      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
>> > archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
>> > Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.
>> 
>> Disable this setting:
>> 
>> System Preferences > Energy Saver > Wake for Ethernet access

>      Many thanks. When looking for that I found another enabled setting
> called "Wake when the modem detects a ring."I've disabled that one but
> left the "Wake of Ethernet access" enabled. I'm not sure what "Ethernet
> access" means (Help doesn't help) but I think I might want it when I try
> to wirelessly connect another computer to the G4.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN>

-- 
"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to
those of us who do." - Isaac Asimov

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#59605

Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-05-20, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > >      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
> > > when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
> > >
> > >      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
> > > archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
> > > Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.
> > 
> > Disable this setting:
> > 
> > System Preferences > Energy Saver > Wake for Ethernet access
> 
>      Many thanks. When looking for that I found another enabled setting
> called "Wake when the modem detects a ring."I've disabled that one but
> left the "Wake of Ethernet access" enabled. I'm not sure what "Ethernet
> access" means (Help doesn't help) but I think I might want it when I try
> to wirelessly connect another computer to the G4.
> 
>      I'll report the results of this experiment.
> 
     And here I am reporting. Based on one day's experience, disabling
"Wake when the modem detects a ring" solves my problem. The computer
slept happily today while the phone rang unceasingly. (We're in the
run-up to an election.)

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#59617

On 2014-05-22, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2014-05-20, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
>> > >      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
>> > > when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
>> > >
>> > >      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
>> > > archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
>> > > Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.
>> > 
>> > Disable this setting:
>> > 
>> > System Preferences > Energy Saver > Wake for Ethernet access
>> 
>>      Many thanks. When looking for that I found another enabled setting
>> called "Wake when the modem detects a ring."I've disabled that one but
>> left the "Wake of Ethernet access" enabled. I'm not sure what "Ethernet
>> access" means (Help doesn't help) but I think I might want it when I try
>> to wirelessly connect another computer to the G4.
>> 
>>      I'll report the results of this experiment.
>> 
>      And here I am reporting. Based on one day's experience, disabling
> "Wake when the modem detects a ring" solves my problem. The computer
> slept happily today while the phone rang unceasingly. (We're in the
> run-up to an election.)

Thanks for reporting back.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#59558

In article <1llybbo.i5p9ao169ieo2N%csampson@inetworld.net>,
Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
>
>     I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
>archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
>Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.sys.mac.system


Patty

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#59569

Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

> In article <1llybbo.i5p9ao169ieo2N%csampson@inetworld.net>,
> Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> >
> >     I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
> >archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
> >Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.sys.mac.system
> 
     Great! When I went to groups.google.com I was redirected to
groups.google.com/forum/#!overview. I see nothing on that page that
indicates how to get to the USENET archive. Now I know. Thanks.

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#59574

On 14-05-21 02:51, Charles H. Sampson wrote:

>      Great! When I went to groups.google.com I was redirected to
> groups.google.com/forum/#!overview. I see nothing on that page that
> indicates how to get to the USENET archive. Now I know. Thanks.

Google recently removed the "deja news" search page. It is still
possible to search, but not so obvious

groups.google.com

specify group:comp.sys.mac.system string   (where string is what you are
looking for).

Note that this does not work for all groups.  For instance, it won't
work for alt.cellular.fido  for this, you need to enter it manually with

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.cellular.fido

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#59559

In article <1llybbo.i5p9ao169ieo2N%csampson@inetworld.net>, Charles H.
Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:

>      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
> when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
> 
>      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
> archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
> Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.

Have you got line filters on the appropriate phoneline wall sockets?

Is the phone on the same desk and physically shaking it enough to move
the mouse and wake the computer?

Fax or answerphone software of some sort?

I can't think of any other reason why the ringing phone would wake a
computer.

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#59570

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <1llybbo.i5p9ao169ieo2N%csampson@inetworld.net>, Charles H.
> Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> 
> >      I have a G4 running Tiger with a DSL connection. If the phone rings
> > when it's asleep, it wakes up. Is there any way to stop this?
> > 
> >      I'd be quite happy to look this up in the comp.sys.mac.system
> > archive. Is there one somewhere? If the USENET archive still at Google
> > Groups, I haven't figured out how to find it.
> 
> Have you got line filters on the appropriate phoneline wall sockets?
> 
> Is the phone on the same desk and physically shaking it enough to move
> the mouse and wake the computer?
> 
> Fax or answerphone software of some sort?
> 
     Many thanks for your time but I had already considered all of
these. I wondered if I had a faulty filter that allow some of the voice
line information to leak into the DSL side. I've even tried putting the
mouse upside down thinking that a little jiggle might be causing the
problem. I made sure that the machine wasn't set to handle incoming FAX.

     I'm currently trying Jolly Roger's suggestion -- sort of -- and I
suspect that it will cure the problem.

                        Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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