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Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?

Started byDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
First post2014-04-27 17:25 -0700
Last post2014-05-02 19:48 -0400
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  Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-27 17:25 -0700
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-27 20:29 -0400
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-04-27 18:05 -0700
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-04-27 18:10 -0700
      Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-27 18:53 -0700
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-28 16:47 +0000
      Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-28 11:32 -0700
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? android <here@there.was> - 2014-04-28 21:30 +0200
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 09:17 +1200
          Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 03:02 +0000
            Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 17:04 -0400
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-28 22:22 +0000
          Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-28 19:23 -0400
            Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-28 18:32 -0700
              Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:38 -0400
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 03:00 +0000
          POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-29 08:36 +0200
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 19:10 +1200
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-29 10:49 +0200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-30 09:21 +1200
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:23 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 17:27 +0000
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-04-30 15:28 +0100
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:52 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:28 -0400
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:39 -0400
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-29 03:18 -0400
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 19:22 +1200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-29 10:05 +0100
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-04-29 10:23 -0400
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-30 09:16 +1200
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-29 17:28 -0400
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:28 -0400
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 20:47 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-29 20:27 -0500
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-29 21:42 -0400
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:19 +0000
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-30 17:50 -0500
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 23:36 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-30 17:50 -0700
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-01 13:13 +1200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-30 21:15 -0700
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-01 18:22 +1200
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:11 +0000
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:09 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-30 08:41 +0200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-30 03:17 -0400
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-30 09:47 +0200
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-30 04:54 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-30 11:32 +0200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-04-30 06:51 -0700
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-01 09:27 +1200
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 18:00 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-05-02 10:00 +0200
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-02 09:48 +0100
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 10:07 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:16 +0000
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:09 +0000
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:14 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:14 +0000
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-04-30 19:18 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 17:06 -0400
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-05-01 18:56 -0400
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-02 12:23 +1200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-05-02 10:34 -0400
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2014-05-01 18:25 -0600
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 01:46 +0000
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 05:48 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-02 03:20 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-02 10:50 +0200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-02 06:04 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-02 12:14 +0200
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:39 +0000
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 18:32 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-02 10:55 -0500
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 16:50 +0000
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-03 11:30 -0500
                              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-03 16:45 +0000
                                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-04 11:43 -0500
                                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-05 20:41 +0000
                                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-06 12:32 -0500
                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-06 17:41 +0000
                                        Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-07 12:25 -0500
                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-08 00:10 +0000
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-07 20:32 -0400
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-05-08 04:29 +0000
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid - 2014-05-08 14:40 +0000
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-10 07:16 -0700
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 16:14 -0500
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-08 21:42 +0000
                                                Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-09 12:15 -0500
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 18:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-10 16:42 -0500
                                                      Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 01:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 16:40 -0500
                                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-11 17:52 -0700
                                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-12 11:39 -0500
                                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-05-11 21:25 -0400
                                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-12 11:53 -0500
                                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 10:29 +0000
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-09 03:45 +0000
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-09 09:30 -0400
                                                Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-09 18:17 -0400
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-09 19:28 -0400
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-10 13:30 +1200
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-05-12 00:12 +0000
                                                Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-05-11 21:32 -0400
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-12 04:00 -0700
                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-05-08 11:42 +0200
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 16:33 -0500
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-09 03:43 +0000
                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-07 19:27 +0000
                                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 15:55 -0500
                                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-08 22:16 +0000
                                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-09 11:35 -0500
                                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 16:20 +0000
                                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-10 13:43 -0500
                                              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 04:20 +0000
                                                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 15:01 -0500
                                                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 14:27 +0000
                                                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-12 17:24 +0100
                                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 17:38 +0000
                                                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 20:58 +0000
                                                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 21:33 +0000
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 17:17 +0000
                            Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-03 12:10 -0500
                              Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-03 23:13 +0000
                              Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-08 03:49 +0000
                                Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-09 09:22 +1200
                                  Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 01:20 +0000
                                    Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-09 11:43 -0500
                                      Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 18:36 +0000
                                        Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-10 17:47 +0000
                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-11 19:38 +0100
                                            Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 19:05 +0000
                                              Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-11 20:13 +0100
                                                Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 23:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-12 10:01 +0100
                                                    Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 10:48 +0000
                                                      Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 15:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-12 17:22 +0100
                                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 20:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 20:57 +0000
                                                Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 02:20 +0000
                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 15:14 -0500
                                        Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-10 13:53 -0500
                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-10 20:29 +0000
                                            Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 16:21 -0500
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-04 20:08 +0200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 13:17 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 22:08 +0000
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 18:35 -0400
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-03 00:02 +0000
                              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-03 09:37 -0400
                                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-03 17:09 +0000
                                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-03 13:23 -0400
                                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 13:30 -0700
                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP John White <jccw@comcast.net> - 2014-05-05 16:41 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 13:55 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-02 16:10 +0200
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-05-02 10:37 -0400
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 10:48 -0400
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 11:09 -0400
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 17:06 +0000
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 17:23 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:34 +0000
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-03 12:01 +1200
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid - 2014-05-02 17:00 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 13:19 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid - 2014-05-03 16:29 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-03 12:46 -0400
          Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:35 -0400
            Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:27 +0000
              Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 17:41 -0400
                Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 22:14 +0000
                  Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 18:46 -0400
                  Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-05-02 23:33 +0000
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#59084 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

Fromandroid <here@there.was>
Date2014-05-02 16:10 +0200
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<bshna2Fm1jnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#59082
In article <lk084v$f26$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes, quoting
> Jolly Roger:
> 
> > > Only for those who bullheadedly stick with POP when IMAP is available.
> > > for the rest of us, it's a time-saving feature, because if IMAP is
> > > supported by the server, we would naturally rather use IMAP than POP.
> > 
> > I use IMAP. However, I still feel the option to choose POP or IMAP
> > should be easy to access without requiring sneaky tricks.
> 
> The thing here is, some people (well, at least me, and I doubt I'm
> the only one) would like to look over a user agent's configuration
> options without having to enter a bogus username and password first,
> and then waiting for the authentication to time out and fail.  Not
> to mention some versions of Apple's Mail require more of a hack than
> just that.
> 
> Regarding another question downstream in this thread, I'm sure Apple
> wants it all to "just work," but they've carried this a bit too far.
> 
> Billy Y..

The refusal give the user and "advanced mode" speaks for itself... 
On Outlook 2011 OTOH you can't even see the email address of the sender 
in the preview pane list. That's why I'm still using Mail (4.5) as my 
primary mail client.
-- 
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http://tinyurl.com/androidphotography

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#59086 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromJohn Albert <j.albert@snet.net>
Date2014-05-02 10:37 -0400
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<5363adb4$0$45063$862e30e2@ngroups.net>
In reply to#59076
On 5/2/14 3:20 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
> I can see Apple wishing to transition to IMAP and eventually deprecate
> POP, just as they have NFS and now in process of moving away from AFP.
> So i can understand (but not agree with) their attempt to make it hard
> to find a way to configure POP.

I prefer POP and will -never- use IMAP -- just don't want 
anything to do with it. I have no IOS devices nor iPhone, 
and never will.

Further, I don't want ANY email left "in storage" on my 
ISP's servers. I want it removed as I download it.

If Mail.app ever reaches the point where 
establishing/maintaining a POP account is impossible, I'll 
switch to another email app immediately.

These are my needs, and I realize they may be different from 
others' posting here.

I thought using personal computers -- especially those from 
Apple -- was supposed to be about "choice" ??

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#59087 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-05-02 10:48 -0400
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<020520141048478126%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#59086
In article <5363adb4$0$45063$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> I prefer POP and will -never- use IMAP -- just don't want 
> anything to do with it. I have no IOS devices nor iPhone, 
> and never will.
> 
> Further, I don't want ANY email left "in storage" on my 
> ISP's servers. I want it removed as I download it.

you can do that with imap.

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#59088 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-05-02 11:09 -0400
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<8-SdnUcVU_6gKP7OnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59086
On 2014.05.02, 10:37 , John Albert wrote:
> On 5/2/14 3:20 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
>> I can see Apple wishing to transition to IMAP and eventually deprecate
>> POP, just as they have NFS and now in process of moving away from AFP.
>> So i can understand (but not agree with) their attempt to make it hard
>> to find a way to configure POP.
>
> I prefer POP and will -never- use IMAP -- just don't want anything to do
> with it. I have no IOS devices nor iPhone, and never will.

I use POP but I'd never say -never- 'cause there's no telling what 
tomorrow will bring (in my needs, in how mail servers go, and so on).

Using POP does not prevent me from getting my mail on my iPhone either.

> Further, I don't want ANY email left "in storage" on my ISP's servers. I
> want it removed as I download it.

Me too - though I put in a 24 hour delay in the client settings so the 
message is retained that long "just in case".

>
> If Mail.app ever reaches the point where establishing/maintaining a POP
> account is impossible, I'll switch to another email app immediately.
>
> These are my needs, and I realize they may be different from others'
> posting here.
>
> I thought using personal computers -- especially those from Apple -- was
> supposed to be about "choice" ??

Just like Henry Ford's original model T colour choices.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#59092 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-05-02 17:06 +0000
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<lk0jab$b5o$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#59086
John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> writes:

> Further, I don't want ANY email left "in storage" on my
> ISP's servers. I want it removed as I download it.

Taken to its natural end, you'd probaby be happier running
your own server.  Mail has to be "in storage" at your ISP
before they can offer it to you.

For example (since you posted with OS 10.8) -

https://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServeForMountainLion

And for Mavericks -

https://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServeForMavericks/

There are plenty of other ways to go, too.

Billy Y..
-- 
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#59101 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-05-02 17:23 +0000
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<bsi2k5FoeniU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#59092
On 2014-05-02, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:
> John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> writes:
>
>> Further, I don't want ANY email left "in storage" on my
>> ISP's servers. I want it removed as I download it.
>
> Taken to its natural end, you'd probaby be happier running
> your own server.  Mail has to be "in storage" at your ISP
> before they can offer it to you.

Yep. That's what I do. All of my mail is stored right here at home.

> For example (since you posted with OS 10.8) -
>
> https://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServeForMountainLion
>
> And for Mavericks -
>
> https://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServeForMavericks/
>
> There are plenty of other ways to go, too.

Indeed. I've used those products, and they work reasonably well. Apple's
Mavericks Server also has built-in support for running your own mail
service. And of course, you can roll your own with all of the same or
similar components, if desired. I've done all of the above, and am
currently using Mavericks Server. Like other solutions, it works
reasonably well, but has its own issues.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#59105 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-05-02 17:34 +0000
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<slrnlm7lo9.fag.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#59086
In message <5363adb4$0$45063$862e30e2@ngroups.net> 
  John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
> On 5/2/14 3:20 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
>> I can see Apple wishing to transition to IMAP and eventually deprecate
>> POP, just as they have NFS and now in process of moving away from AFP.
>> So i can understand (but not agree with) their attempt to make it hard
>> to find a way to configure POP.

> I prefer POP and will -never- use IMAP -- just don't want 
> anything to do with it. I have no IOS devices nor iPhone, 
> and never will.

> Further, I don't want ANY email left "in storage" on my 
> ISP's servers. I want it removed as I download it.

You seem to have a weird paranoia that reveals a basic misunderstanding
of how email works.

All your email goes through your ISP. All your email goes through a
'prism' where it is diverted to the NSA before it ever reaches your ISP.
All your email is available for snooping long before your ISP even
receives it.

If your concern is that your ISP will read your email, get a different
ISP. If your concern is that *anyone* can read your email, then you
should be encrypting all email and it doesn't matter where it is stored.

That said, it is *trivial* to use IMAP exactly like POP. Want to keep
your mail on your computer and not on the server? OK, IMAP does that
too.

-- 
Your letters they all say that you're beside me now. Then why do I feel
alone? I'm standing on a ledge and your fine spider web Is fastening my
ankle to a stone.

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#59119 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-05-03 12:01 +1200
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<030520141201512420%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#59076
On 14-05-02 01:48, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
> Only for those who bullheadedly stick with POP when IMAP is available.
> for the rest of us, it's a time-saving feature, because if IMAP is
> supported by the server, we would naturally rather use IMAP than POP.

The usual meaningless load of drivel. Thank God I killed this idiot,
now if only other people would stop replying to it.  :-\

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#59094 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

Fromdyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid
Date2014-05-02 17:00 +0000
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<lk0iuo$268$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>
In reply to#59074
On 2014-05-02, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote in 
<ljutei$est$1@reader2.panix.com>:

> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Mail first tests the mail server to discover which protocols it
>> supports. If it offers both POP and IMAP, Mail picks IMAP without giving
>> you a choice. To get around this, enter the wrong password for the
>> account. Mail should then go into a less automated setup mode in which
>> you can select POP (and enter the correct password). 
>
> Yes, this - asking for a username and password before allowing
> an account to be configured - is a bit of a pain.
>

I feel the same way, especially about the password. Since I can be too 
hasty at times, I have not stored the SMTP password in Mail on my iMac 
with Snow Leopard. That prompt is one more chance to cancel sending, and 
more foolproof because of the time it takes to type. :-) I'd like to keep 
my new MBA with Mavericks from remembering my password, but have been 
unsuccessful so far. It always remembers what I type in.

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#59100 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-05-02 13:19 -0400
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<fYWdnZmLaOo0Tv7OnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59094
On 2014.05.02, 13:00 , dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid wrote:
> On 2014-05-02, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote in
> <ljutei$est$1@reader2.panix.com>:
>
>> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Mail first tests the mail server to discover which protocols it
>>> supports. If it offers both POP and IMAP, Mail picks IMAP without giving
>>> you a choice. To get around this, enter the wrong password for the
>>> account. Mail should then go into a less automated setup mode in which
>>> you can select POP (and enter the correct password).
>>
>> Yes, this - asking for a username and password before allowing
>> an account to be configured - is a bit of a pain.
>>
>
> I feel the same way, especially about the password. Since I can be too
> hasty at times, I have not stored the SMTP password in Mail on my iMac
> with Snow Leopard. That prompt is one more chance to cancel sending, and
> more foolproof because of the time it takes to type. :-) I'd like to keep
> my new MBA with Mavericks from remembering my password, but have been
> unsuccessful so far. It always remembers what I type in.

If you "log off" your MBA or force account login password after 
screensaver or sleep, then the pw is nice and safe in the keychain.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#59124 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

Fromdyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid
Date2014-05-03 16:29 +0000
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<lk35hl$nl8$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>
In reply to#59100
On 2014-05-02, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in 
<fYWdnZmLaOo0Tv7OnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

> On 2014.05.02, 13:00 , dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid wrote:
>>
>> I feel the same way, especially about the password. Since I can be too
>> hasty at times, I have not stored the SMTP password in Mail on my iMac
>> with Snow Leopard. That prompt is one more chance to cancel sending, and
>> more foolproof because of the time it takes to type. :-) I'd like to keep
>> my new MBA with Mavericks from remembering my password, but have been
>> unsuccessful so far. It always remembers what I type in.
>
> If you "log off" your MBA or force account login password after 
> screensaver or sleep, then the pw is nice and safe in the keychain.
>
I'm sure this is what 99.9% of people would appreciate. But I want to type 
in the long password every time so that there is plenty of time to think 
about what I am sending.

This is probably only attainable with alpine. I have yet to install it on 
the MBA though!

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#59126 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-05-03 12:46 -0400
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<8NudnSkHNJz0gPjOnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59124
On 2014.05.03, 12:29 , dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid wrote:
> On 2014-05-02, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in
> <fYWdnZmLaOo0Tv7OnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>> On 2014.05.02, 13:00 , dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel the same way, especially about the password. Since I can be too
>>> hasty at times, I have not stored the SMTP password in Mail on my iMac
>>> with Snow Leopard. That prompt is one more chance to cancel sending, and
>>> more foolproof because of the time it takes to type. :-) I'd like to keep
>>> my new MBA with Mavericks from remembering my password, but have been
>>> unsuccessful so far. It always remembers what I type in.
>>
>> If you "log off" your MBA or force account login password after
>> screensaver or sleep, then the pw is nice and safe in the keychain.
>>
> I'm sure this is what 99.9% of people would appreciate. But I want to type
> in the long password every time so that there is plenty of time to think
> about what I am sending.

That must be peculiar to your thought processes and behaviour.  Most of 
us are either "in session" or not.  But it's true that we should take 
another 10 seconds to ask ourselves "should I really send this?" more 
often.  But using a password entering process is not (IMO) the best way 
to do that.  (Esp. in my case as I don't even know most of my passwords 
- I use 1Password to enter them).

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#59051

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-04-30 16:35 -0400
Message-ID<HMidnVgXwIEVw_zOnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59002
On 2014.04.28, 23:00 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <ljm6qb$69k$1@dont-email.me>
>    Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
>> In article <ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
>
>>> Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several
>>>> years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4
>>>> - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny
>>>> new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about
>>>> upgrading to something newer)
>>>
>>> Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -
>>>
>>> http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle
>>>
>>> Billy Y..
>
>> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK*
>> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me)
>> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
>
>> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any
>> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna
>> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and
>> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since
>> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall
>> somewhere between.
>
> IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
> things.

Most of which are not needed for a home user with a single main e-mail 
account.   POP does just fine.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#59104

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-05-02 17:27 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlm7lcu.fag.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#59051
In message <HMidnVgXwIEVw_zOnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.04.28, 23:00 , Lewis wrote:

>> IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
>> things.

> Most of which are not needed for a home user with a single main e-mail 
> account.   POP does just fine.

For a home user with one account and one computer who *never* needs (or
would find it useful) to have email on any other device, computer, or
location.

-- 
You too will get old. And when you do you'll fantasize that when you
were young prices where reasonable, politicians were noble, and children
respected their elders. Respect your elders.

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#59110

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-05-02 17:41 -0400
Message-ID<Ls6dnQnYhvmLjPnOnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59104
On 2014.05.02, 13:27 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <HMidnVgXwIEVw_zOnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.04.28, 23:00 , Lewis wrote:
>
>>> IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
>>> things.
>
>> Most of which are not needed for a home user with a single main e-mail
>> account.   POP does just fine.
>
> For a home user with one account and one computer who *never* needs (or
> would find it useful) to have email on any other device, computer, or
> location.

False.  I get my e-mails on my iPhone (without losing them) and I can 
webmail (without losing them) from anywhere.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#59113

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-05-02 22:14 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlm866m.11i1.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#59110
In message <Ls6dnQnYhvmLjPnOnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.05.02, 13:27 , Lewis wrote:
>> In message <HMidnVgXwIEVw_zOnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.04.28, 23:00 , Lewis wrote:
>>
>>>> IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
>>>> things.
>>
>>> Most of which are not needed for a home user with a single main e-mail
>>> account.   POP does just fine.
>>
>> For a home user with one account and one computer who *never* needs (or
>> would find it useful) to have email on any other device, computer, or
>> location.

> False.  I get my e-mails on my iPhone (without losing them) and I can 
> webmail (without losing them) from anywhere.

Really? Today I went to Home Depot to return some stuff. I thought I had
the physical receipt with me, but I had the wrong one. I opened up my
mail client on my phone and pulled the receipt (from two weeks ago) out
and was able to show it to the Returns desk.

Can you do that?

Or do you mean, "I can see the last few hours of emails on my phone"? Or
"I can see a random selection of email on my phone depending on how
consistently I checked mail on that device before my computer deleted
it."

Neither is acceptable.

Or earlier this week when I started an email on my ipad and then decided
I needed more time and wanted a keyboard, so finished the email a couple
of hours later on my laptop.

If you have one device, then POP/IMAP doesn't matter. Otherwise, there
*will* be issues because POP was designed around the assumption 1 person
= 1 email address = 1 physical location for mail.

POP worked fine when you logged in to the server to read your mail.
There was no need for IMAP then.

-- 
Thunder rolled...  It is said that the gods play games with the fates of
men. But what games, and why, and the identities of the actual pawns,
and what the game is, and what the rules are - who knows?  Best not to
speculate.  Thunder rolled...  It rolled a six. --Guards! Guards!

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#59115

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-05-02 18:46 -0400
Message-ID<fNCdnanKgfj9vfnOnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59113
On 2014.05.02, 18:14 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <Ls6dnQnYhvmLjPnOnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.05.02, 13:27 , Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <HMidnVgXwIEVw_zOnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>     Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.04.28, 23:00 , Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>>>> IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
>>>>> things.
>>>
>>>> Most of which are not needed for a home user with a single main e-mail
>>>> account.   POP does just fine.
>>>
>>> For a home user with one account and one computer who *never* needs (or
>>> would find it useful) to have email on any other device, computer, or
>>> location.
>
>> False.  I get my e-mails on my iPhone (without losing them) and I can
>> webmail (without losing them) from anywhere.
>
> Really? Today I went to Home Depot to return some stuff. I thought I had
> the physical receipt with me, but I had the wrong one. I opened up my
> mail client on my phone and pulled the receipt (from two weeks ago) out
> and was able to show it to the Returns desk.
>
> Can you do that?

Nope.  My e-mails on the ISP e-mail are deleted 24 hours after they are 
POP'd (as long as Apple Mail gets to connect, that is).  I could set it 
to longer if I like.

Anything I bought in the last couple weeks, the paper receipt is in my 
wallet.  Then they go in the upper left hand drawer of my home office 
desk.  Habit is to get receipts when returning things.

> Or do you mean, "I can see the last few hours of emails on my phone"? Or
> "I can see a random selection of email on my phone depending on how
> consistently I checked mail on that device before my computer deleted
> it."

No.  From the time I pop an e-mail at home, the e-mail will stay on the 
server for at least 24 hours (I could set this to 30 days or whatever I 
want).  From the time of the first pop of a mail message, once 24 hours 
has gone by, the next POP event will clear that message.

> Neither is acceptable.

To you.  To me it's been fine for over 2 decades.  No issue.

>
> Or earlier this week when I started an email on my ipad and then decided
> I needed more time and wanted a keyboard, so finished the email a couple
> of hours later on my laptop.
>
> If you have one device, then POP/IMAP doesn't matter. Otherwise, there
> *will* be issues because POP was designed around the assumption 1 person
> = 1 email address = 1 physical location for mail.

I personally don't do mail on my iPhone much.  But I do use the notes 
feature to capture ideas or checklists - that is sync'd to the iCloud. 
Were I to do e-mail on an iPad it would likely be with Gmail - so I 
wouldn't lose anything there either.

Recent thing: A colleague and I have been brainstorming a project and 
we're both physically (and mentally to tell the truth) all over the 
place so we use Message to do the brainstorm.  Occasionally I copy and 
paste the whole stream from Message on my Mac and save it to a Word 
file.  Great way to document the proceedings - and we can go back to 
ideas to kick around.

>
> POP worked fine when you logged in to the server to read your mail.
> There was no need for IMAP then.

Nor for me, at present.  If there is a need for change I'll go that way. 
  There is no need at present.  Be clear - I'm talking about my personal 
accounts.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#59116

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2014-05-02 23:33 +0000
Message-ID<53642b35$0$52778$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#59113
In article <slrnlm866m.11i1.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
Lewis  <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <Ls6dnQnYhvmLjPnOnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: [re POP]
>
>> False.  I get my e-mails on my iPhone (without losing them) and I can 
>> webmail (without losing them) from anywhere.
>
>Really? Today I went to Home Depot to return some stuff. I thought I had
>the physical receipt with me, but I had the wrong one. I opened up my
>mail client on my phone and pulled the receipt (from two weeks ago) out
>and was able to show it to the Returns desk.
>
>Can you do that?

I can, and I use POP.

I could retrieve a message from last year if I needed to, if I
thought it was important enough to leave on the server.

I just opened up Mail on my iPad. It's displaying some mail from 
back to 2011. 


>Or do you mean, "I can see the last few hours of emails on my phone"? Or
>"I can see a random selection of email on my phone depending on how
>consistently I checked mail on that device before my computer deleted
>it."

Computers don't delete mail unless you tell them to. I have Eudora
set to "Leave mail on server." It stays there until I manually delete
it. I routinely leave receipts, timesheet information, etc. on the
server until I'm sure I no longer need them.


Patty

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#59117

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-05-02 19:48 -0400
Message-ID<8Z6dncn86Yd-s_nOnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59116
On 2014.05.02, 19:33 , Patty Winter wrote:
> In article <slrnlm866m.11i1.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
> Lewis  <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <Ls6dnQnYhvmLjPnOnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: [re POP]
>>
>>> False.  I get my e-mails on my iPhone (without losing them) and I can
>>> webmail (without losing them) from anywhere.
>>
>> Really? Today I went to Home Depot to return some stuff. I thought I had
>> the physical receipt with me, but I had the wrong one. I opened up my
>> mail client on my phone and pulled the receipt (from two weeks ago) out
>> and was able to show it to the Returns desk.
>>
>> Can you do that?
>
> I can, and I use POP.
>
> I could retrieve a message from last year if I needed to, if I
> thought it was important enough to leave on the server.
>
> I just opened up Mail on my iPad. It's displaying some mail from
> back to 2011.

Wouldn't work for me.  I don't recall what the limit is, but I'd reach 
the max within a few weeks and I'd have to clear some off the server 
before it would accept new e-mails from outside.  (This happened to me 
once back in the early 90's.  While I'm sure they give me more space now 
than then, it's also true the attachment sized have grown too).

So I have Mail set to delete messages older than 1 day.  7 days, 15, 30 
would probably work.  But 1 is not an issue.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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