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  iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-09 16:44 -0400
    Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-04-09 21:33 +0000
      Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-10 06:15 +0000
    Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-10 09:34 +1200
      Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-09 18:24 -0400
        Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-09 18:37 -0400
          Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-10 20:23 +0200
            Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-10 15:18 -0400
    Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-09 21:06 -0400
    Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-12 10:12 -0500
      Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-13 10:12 +1200
        Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-12 18:33 -0400
        Re: iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-12 19:12 -0400

#58430 — iPhone IOS7 design philospphy coming to OS-X

> http://9to5mac.com/2014/04/09/jony-ive-shakes-up-apples-software-design-group-iphone-interface-creator-greg-christie-departing/


This is an article about Jony Ive ousting Greg Christie who was the
Human Interface VP and moving that staff under his own industrial design
organisation. (in effect building his own empire instead of cooperating)

In that article is the revelation that OS-X 10.10 will adopt the "flat"
user interface introduced in IOS-7.

Goodbye buttons, hello 1980s's Lynx look with light blue text indicating
a clickable item.  "Back to MAC" still alive and well, unfortunatly.

More importantly, either Tim Cook is allowing Ive to become the next
Steve Jobs with control over all products, or Tim Cook isn't a good CEO
and can't manage internal wars and alloing empire building by Ive who is
becoming too important to fire ("too big to fail" in banking terms)

The thought has begun to cross my mind that perhaps it is time to fire
Ive now before he wrecks all of Apple with internal power fights and
gains so much control that he can't manage it all.

It was credible that they fired Forstall because he couldn't work with
Ive. But if a trend starts that a lot of people are being fired because
they can't work with Ive, perhaps the problem isn't wirth those people
but rather with Ive.

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#58431

On 2014-04-09, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> http://9to5mac.com/2014/04/09/jony-ive-shakes-up-apples-software-design-group-iphone-interface-creator-greg-christie-departing/
>
[typical load of doom-and-gloom speculation about Apple's future direction]

I guess it's a slow day for the "Apple is DOOMED" crowd... *yawn*

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#58448

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:

> [typical load of doom-and-gloom speculation about Apple's future direction]
> 
> I guess it's a slow day for the "Apple is DOOMED" crowd... *yawn*

I'm really happy with the IOSification of Safari.  Who needs tabs or
more windows when you can just swipe through pages?  Not me!  Heh.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#58432

In article <5345b125$0$33459$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >
> > http://9to5mac.com/2014/04/09/jony-ive-shakes-up-apples-software-design-grou
> > p-iphone-interface-creator-greg-christie-departing/
> 
> This is an article about Jony Ive ousting Greg Christie who was the
> Human Interface VP and moving that staff under his own industrial design
> organisation. (in effect building his own empire instead of cooperating)
> 
> In that article is the revelation that OS-X 10.10 will adopt the "flat"
> user interface introduced in IOS-7.
> 
> Goodbye buttons, hello 1980s's Lynx look with light blue text indicating
> a clickable item.  "Back to MAC" still alive and well, unfortunatly.
> 
> More importantly, either Tim Cook is allowing Ive to become the next
> Steve Jobs with control over all products, or Tim Cook isn't a good CEO
> and can't manage internal wars and alloing empire building by Ive who is
> becoming too important to fire ("too big to fail" in banking terms)
> 
> The thought has begun to cross my mind that perhaps it is time to fire
> Ive now before he wrecks all of Apple with internal power fights and
> gains so much control that he can't manage it all.
> 
> It was credible that they fired Forstall because he couldn't work with
> Ive. But if a trend starts that a lot of people are being fired because
> they can't work with Ive, perhaps the problem isn't wirth those people
> but rather with Ive.

Johnny Ive is a hardware designer ... he hasn't got the first clue
about software design, and it shows. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere
near iOS or OS X. The "fame" has obviously gone to his head.  :-(

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#58433

On 14-04-09 17:34, Your Name wrote:

> Johnny Ive is a hardware designer ... he hasn't got the first clue
> about software design, and it shows. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere
> near iOS or OS X. The "fame" has obviously gone to his head.  :-(

I wouldn't go that far. But it looks to me like Apple has always been
very "religious" about its beliefs in how software/hardware should
behave and that the religion came from one and only one leader. With the
departure of Steve Jobs, it may have left a void and Cook may want to
re-establish that "one leader" philosophy and give Ive the reigns.

One difference I see is that Jobs apparently allowed many idean to be
brought to him and would dismiss all or almost all of them and choose
what seems to be the least worse one, and sometimes would make his own
suggestions.

But for Ive, I get the impression it all comes from him instead of ideas
froming to him.  Just an impression, I have no facts to back this up.

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#58434

On 14-04-09 18:24, JF Mezei wrote:

> But for Ive, I get the impression it all comes from him instead of ideas
> froming to him.  Just an impression, I have no facts to back this up.

Type: instead of ideas *flowing* to him.

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#58456

On 2014-04-09, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-04-09 18:24, JF Mezei wrote:
>
>> But for Ive, I get the impression it all comes from him instead of ideas
>> froming to him.  Just an impression, I have no facts to back this up.
>
> Type: instead of ideas *flowing* to him.

Thanks for the correction.  I thought you were making a reference to the
COME FROM statement.

P.S. For purely selfish reasons I welcome the much publicised return to
using GOTO in programming.  In my payroll debugging days I got rather
good at deciphering spaghetti code, so bring it on, I say :-) :-) :-)

-- 
Paul Sture

640K ought to be enough for anybody. -- Bill Gates, 1981 (allegedly apocryphal)
64k can contain a lot of valuable data -- 2014

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#58463

On 2014.04.10, 14:23 , Paul Sture wrote:
> P.S. For purely selfish reasons I welcome the much publicised return to
> using GOTO in programming.  In my payroll debugging days I got rather
> good at deciphering spaghetti code, so bring it on, I sa

Someco. decided to reward bug finders with $100 every time they found a 
bug in the source code.

Wonders be!  The programmers found far more bugs than the people in SQA...

The reward program was terminated the next month and the programmers had 
to find new sources of supplementary income...

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#58439

On 2014.04.09, 16:44 , JF Mezei wrote:

> The thought has begun to cross my mind that perhaps it is time to fire
> Ive now before he wrecks all of Apple with internal power fights and
> gains so much control that he can't manage it all.

I'm sure there will be a reply here soon.


-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#58493

On 4/9/14 3:44 PM, in article
5345b125$0$33459$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> http://9to5mac.com/2014/04/09/jony-ive-shakes-up-apples-software-design-group
>> -iphone-interface-creator-greg-christie-departing/
> 
> 
> This is an article about Jony Ive ousting Greg Christie who was the
> Human Interface VP and moving that staff under his own industrial design
> organisation. (in effect building his own empire instead of cooperating)
> 
> In that article is the revelation that OS-X 10.10 will adopt the "flat"
> user interface introduced in IOS-7.
> 
> Goodbye buttons, hello 1980s's Lynx look with light blue text indicating
> a clickable item.  "Back to MAC" still alive and well, unfortunatly.
> 
> More importantly, either Tim Cook is allowing Ive to become the next
> Steve Jobs with control over all products, or Tim Cook isn't a good CEO
> and can't manage internal wars and alloing empire building by Ive who is
> becoming too important to fire ("too big to fail" in banking terms)
> 
> The thought has begun to cross my mind that perhaps it is time to fire
> Ive now before he wrecks all of Apple with internal power fights and
> gains so much control that he can't manage it all.
> 
> It was credible that they fired Forstall because he couldn't work with
> Ive. But if a trend starts that a lot of people are being fired because
> they can't work with Ive, perhaps the problem isn't wirth those people
> but rather with Ive.
> 

Personally, I cannot stand the look or feel of IOS 7. It appears to be the
design and thought of a kindergartner just learning to draw and put thoughts
together. What drew me to OS-X was the "dimensionality" of the interface. If
it gets any more like IOS 7, I will stay away. My .02...

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#58501

In article <CF6EC21A.A9945%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Personally, I cannot stand the look or feel of IOS 7. 

Yep, it's awful, as is the partial "flattening" of mac OS X 10.9. If I
wanted an ugly, unusable OS, I'd buy a Windoze box.   :-(



> It appears to be the design and thought of a kindergartner just learning 
> to draw and put thoughts together. What drew me to OS-X was the 
> "dimensionality" of the interface. If it gets any more like IOS 7, I wil
> l stay away. My .02...

Someone has posted some *CONCEPT* images of what *THEY THINK* Mac OS X
10.10 might look like:
http://dribbble.com/shots/1465948-Mac-OS-X-Syrah-Concept/

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#58502

On 2014.04.12, 18:12 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <CF6EC21A.A9945%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I cannot stand the look or feel of IOS 7.
>
> Yep, it's awful, as is the partial "flattening" of mac OS X 10.9. If I
> wanted an ugly, unusable OS, I'd buy a Windoze box.   :-(

Pray tell how 10.9 is unusable?


-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#58503

On 14-04-12 18:12, Your Name wrote:

> Someone has posted some *CONCEPT* images of what *THEY THINK* Mac OS X
> 10.10 might look like:
> http://dribbble.com/shots/1465948-Mac-OS-X-Syrah-Concept/


I still don't understand the translucent cult within Apple. Why do they
insist on imposing this absolutelty useless concept which only reduces
ease of readability ?

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