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Snow Leopard retires..

Started byStephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl>
First post2014-02-27 16:53 +0100
Last post2014-03-08 20:38 +0000
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  Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 16:53 +0100
    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 17:00 +0100
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Another John <lalaw44@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-27 18:27 +0000
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 19:50 +0100
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:13 -0500
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-02-28 14:08 -0800
    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-02-27 11:39 -0500
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 18:41 +0100
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 18:35 +0000
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-02-27 23:26 +0000
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 18:34 +0000
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-27 13:03 -0600
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 21:22 +0000
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2014-03-03 17:53 +0000
          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-04 15:37 -0600
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-04 22:20 +0000
              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-05 12:51 -0600
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-05 22:33 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-05 17:50 -0500
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-05 23:59 +0000
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-06 07:40 -0500
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-06 18:49 +0000
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-06 17:06 -0600
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 02:54 +0000
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 11:41 -0600
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-06 17:03 -0600
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-05 16:54 -0600
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 01:20 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-06 17:01 -0600
          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-07 16:35 -0500
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-08 14:25 -0600
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-02-27 23:26 +0000
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:53 -0600
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 17:58 -0800
    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-02-27 20:50 +0000
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-27 21:44 +0000
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:36 -0500
          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 00:49 +0000
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-02-27 20:45 -0800
              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 10:43 +0000
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:52 -0600
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 06:41 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-01 15:29 +0000
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-01 11:42 -0500
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 18:09 +0000
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:38 -0500
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 17:28 +1300
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:40 -0500
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 12:23 -0500
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-03-02 18:17 -0600
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 19:28 -0500
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-03 18:39 -0500
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 13:25 +1300
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 00:47 +0000
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:29 -0500
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:11 +0000
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 16:52 +1300
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-03 04:06 -0500
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-04 12:02 +1300
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-03 18:38 -0500
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-04 12:55 +1300
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-03 19:51 -0500
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-04 01:32 +0000
                                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-03-05 12:33 -0500
                                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-05 18:11 +0000
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-04 00:18 -0500
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-03-04 06:43 -0800
                                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-04 17:04 +0000
                                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-04 17:59 -0500
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-05 12:49 +1300
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Kit <kitzyme@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-03-04 14:55 +0000
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-04 17:05 +0000
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-05 12:49 +1300
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dob@trwxxa-2.local (David Blanchard) - 2014-03-09 18:16 +0000
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-09 21:56 -0400
                                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dob@trwxxa-2.local (David Blanchard) - 2014-03-10 16:45 +0000
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 18:08 +0000
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 17:28 +1300
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:50 -0500
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 18:21 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-02 12:16 -0500
              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-28 11:02 -0500
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-28 17:25 +0100
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-28 18:38 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-28 20:47 -0500
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-02-28 18:37 -0800
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ronnie Bateman <OurOwnRonnieBateman@earthlinc.net> - 2014-02-28 13:09 -0800
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-28 21:57 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:52 -0600
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-01 08:08 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-28 20:49 -0500
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:50 -0600
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-01 13:29 +1100
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:48 -0500
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-02-28 21:23 -0800
              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:50 -0600
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 06:40 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-01 09:31 -0500
              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2014-03-01 19:24 -0800
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-03-01 19:44 -0800
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 23:38 -0500
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 17:51 +1300
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-03-02 11:25 -0800
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 05:21 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 01:59 -0500
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 02:39 -0500
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 07:49 +0000
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 21:34 +1300
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 17:59 +0000
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 13:25 +1300
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:14 +0000
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 17:05 +1300
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:12 -0500
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:22 +0000
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-03 04:29 +0000
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:02 -0500
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:17 +0000
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 03:47 +0000
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 23:02 -0500
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 05:12 +0000
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-03 00:39 -0500
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-03-03 07:27 +0100
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-03 01:29 -0500
                                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-03-04 06:51 +0100
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-03 04:11 -0500
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-03 04:27 +0000
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 05:09 +0000
                              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 16:16 +0000
                                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 16:29 +0000
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-03 12:35 -0500
                                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 20:28 +0000
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-03-04 22:51 +0100
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-04 22:19 +0000
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 23:38 -0500
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 01:56 -0500
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 02:39 -0500
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 07:50 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 08:05 -0700
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 13:25 +1300
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-01 21:13 -0800
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 05:20 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-02 10:07 -0600
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 16:28 +0000
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-03 09:13 -0600
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-28 17:23 +0100
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ronnie Bateman <OurOwnRonnieBateman@earthlinc.net> - 2014-02-28 13:07 -0800
          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:49 -0600
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:30 -0500
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-28 12:04 +1300
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:40 -0500
          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:48 -0600
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:22 -0500
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:54 -0500
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:59 -0500
    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:31 -0500
    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 12:20 +0000
      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-06 09:39 -0800
        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-06 10:57 -0800
          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 19:05 +0000
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-06 11:41 -0800
            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-07 12:12 +1300
              Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 02:47 +0000
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 03:13 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 09:38 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 14:43 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 07:50 -0500
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 14:45 +0000
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 11:24 -0500
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 16:39 +0000
                          Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-07 16:43 -0500
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 18:06 -0500
                            Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-08 03:37 +0000
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 15:04 +0000
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-07 19:37 +1300
                Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-07 18:38 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 19:21 -0500
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-08 00:31 +0000
                      Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 19:36 -0500
                        Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-08 01:35 +0000
                  Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-08 14:25 -0600
                    Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-08 20:38 +0000

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#57534

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2014-03-04 12:55 +1300
Message-ID<1lhzi26.13quop3d55pwuN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#57531
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.03.02, 19:25 , David Empson wrote:
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014.03.01, 23:28 , David Empson wrote:
> >>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2014.03.01, 10:29 , Király wrote:
> >>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> You'll be hard pressed to find much beyond NewsWatcher that will
> >>>>>>>> break.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Lie.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No it's not, you fucking troll.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a *lot* of software that works in Snow Leopard that will not
> >>>>> work in Mavericks. For instance, anything PowerPC.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you run "Rosetta" OS X under Fusion/Parallels?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, by running Snow Leopard Server in the virtual machine.
> >>
> >> Or ordinary Rosetta'd OS X ... perhaps w/o obeying license terms?
> >
> > Are you suggesting adding Rosetta to 10.7 or later?
> 
> No - I meant install Mavericks (for example) and also Snow Leopard (for
> example) under virtualization so that one could run the PPC programs there.
> 
> I do recall there being some license restrictions of some kinds against
> running some OS X under virtualization - but I don't recall the details
> - or if Fusion or Parallels prevent it..

The virtual machine products won't let you install Leopard or Snow
Leopard, which can be worked around but it is fiddly and there isn't any
point wasting time on it.

Apple sells Snow Leopard Server for the same price as Snow Leopard
(about US$20), and it is allowed to be used in a virtual machine.

You can set up Snow Leopard Server with most of its server functionality
disabled, and once configured, using it is almost indistinguishable from
Snow Leopard. It has Rosetta.

I have this arrangement set up on my Late 2013 MacBook Pro (I had
installed it on my previous MacBook Pro and it was migrated to this
one), via VMware Fusion. I only use that particular VM on rare
occasions, either to test something specific to Snow Leopard, or to run
a PowerPC application.

Incidentally, I also had a Leopard Server VM, and it stopped working
(the VM kernel panics during startup). I don't need it any more so I
haven't investigated whether it is compatibility problem introduced in a
VMware Fusion upgrade, or something got damaged inside the VM, or some
other explanation.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#57539

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-03-03 19:51 -0500
Message-ID<H9WdnRBye8I9vojOnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#57534
On 2014.03.03, 18:55 , David Empson wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.03.02, 19:25 , David Empson wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014.03.01, 23:28 , David Empson wrote:
>>>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2014.03.01, 10:29 , Király wrote:
>>>>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You'll be hard pressed to find much beyond NewsWatcher that will
>>>>>>>>>> break.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it's not, you fucking troll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a *lot* of software that works in Snow Leopard that will not
>>>>>>> work in Mavericks. For instance, anything PowerPC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you run "Rosetta" OS X under Fusion/Parallels?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, by running Snow Leopard Server in the virtual machine.
>>>>
>>>> Or ordinary Rosetta'd OS X ... perhaps w/o obeying license terms?
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting adding Rosetta to 10.7 or later?
>>
>> No - I meant install Mavericks (for example) and also Snow Leopard (for
>> example) under virtualization so that one could run the PPC programs there.
>>
>> I do recall there being some license restrictions of some kinds against
>> running some OS X under virtualization - but I don't recall the details
>> - or if Fusion or Parallels prevent it..
>
> The virtual machine products won't let you install Leopard or Snow
> Leopard, which can be worked around but it is fiddly and there isn't any
> point wasting time on it.
>
> Apple sells Snow Leopard Server for the same price as Snow Leopard
> (about US$20), and it is allowed to be used in a virtual machine.
>
> You can set up Snow Leopard Server with most of its server functionality
> disabled, and once configured, using it is almost indistinguishable from
> Snow Leopard. It has Rosetta.

Thanks.

In effect, for $20 plus whatever Fusion|Parallels goes for, people are 
covered for their legacy s/w for quite a while while they look for 
alternates... or not.


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#57541

Fromme@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
Date2014-03-04 01:32 +0000
Message-ID<lf3ag4$c3b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#57539
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> In effect, for $20 plus whatever Fusion|Parallels goes for, people are 
> covered for their legacy s/w for quite a while while they look for 
> alternates... or not.

I used to have a Snow Leopard VM when I ran Parallels 7 under 10.8. It 
was useful for the handful of PowerPC apps I still have. Parallels 7 
broke under Mavericks and instead of spending the $50 to upgrade to 
Parallels 9 I just ditched the whole virtual machine thing and installed 
Snow Leopard on a small partition of my hard drive. I just reboot into 
it when I need to. It's a little less convenient than the virtual 
machine, but not $50 less convenient.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57620

From"M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com>
Date2014-03-05 12:33 -0500
Message-ID<lf7n59$gca$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#57541
On 3/3/14, 8:32 PM, Király wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> In effect, for $20 plus whatever Fusion|Parallels goes for, people are
>> covered for their legacy s/w for quite a while while they look for
>> alternates... or not.
>
> I used to have a Snow Leopard VM when I ran Parallels 7 under 10.8. It
> was useful for the handful of PowerPC apps I still have. Parallels 7
> broke under Mavericks and instead of spending the $50 to upgrade to
> Parallels 9 I just ditched the whole virtual machine thing and installed
> Snow Leopard on a small partition of my hard drive. I just reboot into
> it when I need to. It's a little less convenient than the virtual
> machine, but not $50 less convenient.
>
Same problem, same solution.  But I'm wondering, did you ever try 
installing Snow Leopard VM under Virtual Box? The User Manual (V 4.3.8) 
calls it experimental so I haven't tried it yet.

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#57621

Fromme@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
Date2014-03-05 18:11 +0000
Message-ID<lf7pd9$3ef$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#57620
M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
> Same problem, same solution.  But I'm wondering, did you ever try 
> installing Snow Leopard VM under Virtual Box? The User Manual (V 4.3.8) 
> calls it experimental so I haven't tried it yet.

No. I just used Parallels.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57544

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-03-04 00:18 -0500
Message-ID<53156238$0$17149$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#57534
On 14-03-03 18:55, David Empson wrote:

> The virtual machine products won't let you install Leopard or Snow
> Leopard, which can be worked around but it is fiddly and there isn't any
> point wasting time on it.

If you already have a disk or disk image of a Snow Leopard system
already installed, can't you just get the VM engine to load it up ?

In other words, is the retriction imposed at OS-X install time, or when
you configure the VM to load a particular OS instance ?

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#57551

FromAnt <ant@zimage.comANT>
Date2014-03-04 06:43 -0800
Message-ID<5YGdnbcx-oPme4jOnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#57544
On 3/3/2014 9:18 PM PT, JF Mezei typed:

> If you already have a disk or disk image of a Snow Leopard system
> already installed, can't you just get the VM engine to load it up ?
>
> In other words, is the retriction imposed at OS-X install time, or when
> you configure the VM to load a particular OS instance ?

IIRC, Apple doesn't allow non-server 10.6 and earlier in VMs. Servers in 
VM are OK. Stupid, I know. :(
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#57554

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-03-04 17:04 +0000
Message-ID<bnmfc2F82teU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#57551
On 2014-03-04, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 3/3/2014 9:18 PM PT, JF Mezei typed:
>
>> If you already have a disk or disk image of a Snow Leopard system
>> already installed, can't you just get the VM engine to load it up ?
>>
>> In other words, is the retriction imposed at OS-X install time, or when
>> you configure the VM to load a particular OS instance ?
>
> IIRC, Apple doesn't allow non-server 10.6 and earlier in VMs. Servers in 
> VM are OK. Stupid, I know. :(

I have Mac OS X 10.6 (client, not server) installed in a VMware Fusion
VM right now. Works great. Go figure.

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#57585

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-03-04 17:59 -0500
Message-ID<53165ae5$0$46326$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#57551
On 14-03-04 09:43, Ant wrote:

> IIRC, Apple doesn't allow non-server 10.6 and earlier in VMs. Servers in 
> VM are OK. Stupid, I know. :(

Frankly, I don't care about what apple allows or doesn't allow for an OS
version it has stopped supporting.

I already run Snow Leopard, it is already setup and running. I much
prefer to .DMG that drive and boot it under a VM so I could run the apps
that no longer run in later versions of OS-X rather than having to setup
a totally new instance and re-install everything so it it is installed
on a "server" version.

I can understand the rules at the time SNow Leopard was current. But I
certaintly do not feel I would be breaking the spirit of the rules by
booting Snow Leopard from time to time to run an app that Apple no lnger
allows to run.

I'll give you an example: One slide looked fine, but with VueScan, I had
a very very hard time scanning it properly. I started up the unreliable
Nikon Scan 4 (PowerPC only) and it scanned that slide quite well.

Woudl Apple send lawyers after me if doing the exact same operation
involved booting up a VM instance of SL to run that app for a few minutes ?

Would I feel guilty doing it ? Not one bit.

Would SL actually boot on the VM, or are there restrictions in the OS at
boot time ? Or is it only at install time ?

Is there a way to convert a desktop instance to a server instance by
changing something in a .plist and entering a valid server license ?
(which I have).

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#57596

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2014-03-05 12:49 +1300
Message-ID<1li19t6.1v4xfwq13rztu4N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#57544
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-03-03 18:55, David Empson wrote:
> 
> > The virtual machine products won't let you install Leopard or Snow
> > Leopard, which can be worked around but it is fiddly and there isn't any
> > point wasting time on it.
> 
> If you already have a disk or disk image of a Snow Leopard system
> already installed, can't you just get the VM engine to load it up ?
> 
> In other words, is the retriction imposed at OS-X install time, or when
> you configure the VM to load a particular OS instance ?

The checks are done both at installation and at startup of the VM.

I've never bothered investigating the details or how to work around it,
as the server edition was cheap enough.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#57552

FromKit <kitzyme@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2014-03-04 14:55 +0000
Message-ID<2014030414553274394-kitzyme@yahoocouk>
In reply to#57534
On 2014-03-03 23:55:28 +0000, David Empson said:
> 
> Apple sells Snow Leopard Server for the same price as Snow Leopard
> (about US$20), and it is allowed to be used in a virtual machine.

Where do they sell it for that price?
Amazon have it for about £60
I can't find it listed at all in the Apple Store site either in the US or UK.

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#57555

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-03-04 17:05 +0000
Message-ID<bnmfe0F82teU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#57552
On 2014-03-04, Kit <kitzyme@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2014-03-03 23:55:28 +0000, David Empson said:
>> 
>> Apple sells Snow Leopard Server for the same price as Snow Leopard
>> (about US$20), and it is allowed to be used in a virtual machine.
>
> Where do they sell it for that price?
> Amazon have it for about £60
> I can't find it listed at all in the Apple Store site either in the US or UK.

I don't see the need to purchase that. I've got 10.6 (client, not server)
running in a VMware Fusion VM, and it works great.

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#57595

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2014-03-05 12:49 +1300
Message-ID<1li194w.92msds1gsj2v2N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#57552
Kit <kitzyme@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2014-03-03 23:55:28 +0000, David Empson said:
> > 
> > Apple sells Snow Leopard Server for the same price as Snow Leopard
> > (about US$20), and it is allowed to be used in a virtual machine.
> 
> Where do they sell it for that price?

They aren't selling it via the online store, but there have been
numerous reports of people getting it by ringing Apple Sales (local
telephone number is listed on each online store page) and ordering it
for US$20, for about the last year.

Some had difficulty ordering the right product, as they were supplied
the non-server version by mistake, and had to arrange for it to be
exchanged with the server edition.

Mentioning the product code will help: MC588Z/A

> Amazon have it for about £60

That's where I got mine, for a similar price, shortly before I heard
about Apple's even cheaper option.

I bought mine in late February 2013, which means I've been aware of the
Apple store option since around March or April 2013.

I had intended to buy it for some time prior to that, but I hadn't found
a reasonable price until I noticed Amazon had it cheaper than usual, so
I jumped in case it was a short term special. I could have saved more by
waiting, but so be it.

The original retail price was US$499 and Amazon's only offerings were
over U$300, which I couldn't justify spending as I had other ways to run
PowerPC applications.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#57789

Fromdob@trwxxa-2.local (David Blanchard)
Date2014-03-09 18:16 +0000
Message-ID<lfib5p$aik$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#57534
In article <1lhzi26.13quop3d55pwuN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>You can set up Snow Leopard Server with most of its server functionality
>disabled, and once configured, using it is almost indistinguishable from
>Snow Leopard. It has Rosetta.

I did this recently using Parallels and wanted to do a Migration from my
Snow Leopard client to Snow Leopard Server. Migration Assistant is not
supported in Server.

So what is the best way to migrate a user? Zip the /User/[user] then unzip in the
Serve?

-db-

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#57826

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-03-09 21:56 -0400
Message-ID<531d1bc1$0$58619$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#57789
On 14-03-09 14:16, David Blanchard wrote:

> So what is the best way to migrate a user? Zip the /User/[user] then unzip in the
> Serve?


Create the user first with the workgroup manager app. Make sure the
GID/UID are the same as on your desktop machine. Then unzip the
/user/jdoe structure making sure it unzips with the same onwership details.

You could also use AFP to transfer the data.

If you create the directorioes first, I am not sure how workgroup
manager will behave when you create the account. I think it will work
though.

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#57848

Fromdob@trwxxa-2.local (David Blanchard)
Date2014-03-10 16:45 +0000
Message-ID<lfkq79$ova$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#57826
In article <531d1bc1$0$58619$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>On 14-03-09 14:16, David Blanchard wrote:
>
>> So what is the best way to migrate a user? Zip the /User/[user] then unzip in the
>> Serve?
>
>
>Create the user first with the workgroup manager app. Make sure the
>GID/UID are the same as on your desktop machine. Then unzip the
>/user/jdoe structure making sure it unzips with the same onwership details.

Thanks. Easy enough...

David

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#57292

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-03-01 18:08 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlh48h1.l4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#57282
In message <lesucr$4g8$1@dont-email.me> 
  Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> >> You'll be hard pressed to find much beyond NewsWatcher that will break.
>> 
>> > Lie.
>> 
>> No it's not, you fucking troll.

> There is a *lot* of software that works in Snow Leopard that will not 
> work in Mavericks. For instance, anything PowerPC. 

But I was talking about Mnt Lion to Mavericks.

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#57329

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2014-03-02 17:28 +1300
Message-ID<1lhvrew.18qyfdg1eu6kweN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#57292
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <lesucr$4g8$1@dont-email.me> 
>   Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> >> You'll be hard pressed to find much beyond NewsWatcher that will break.
> >> 
> >> > Lie.
> >> 
> >> No it's not, you fucking troll.
> 
> > There is a *lot* of software that works in Snow Leopard that will not
> > work in Mavericks. For instance, anything PowerPC. 
> 
> But I was talking about Mnt Lion to Mavericks.

That wasn't clear from anything you wrote previously. The thread is
about the retirement of Snow Leopard, and the post to which you
responded with the first comment above was talking about not wanting to
upgrade from 10.6 to 10.9.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#57291

FromDavid Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com>
Date2014-03-01 12:50 -0500
Message-ID<dfritzin-746924.12505201032014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#57233
In article <slrnlh0q3e.8ll.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <billvan-DF262C.20453427022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>   bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
> > In article <slrnlgvn8c.k04.g.kreme@oswin.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> In message <530fcc16$0$17118$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> 
> >>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >> > On 14-02-27 16:44, Király wrote:
> >> >> Apple supported Snow Leopard 
> >> >> for much longer than it did any prevous version of OS X. 
> >> 
> >> > This may be the case when referencing how many releases of OS since Snow
> >> > Leopard. But is this truly the came when referencing time ?
> >> 
> >> > As the article stated, with annual changes to the OS, the versions
> >> > numbers now change much faster.
> >> 
> >> > What I would like to know (which I am sure Apple won't reveal) is
> >> > whether Apple has unbiased data on why people are still on Snow Leopard.
> >> 
> >> Of course they do.
> >> 
> >> The vast majority are on 10.6 because they cannot update to 10.7 or
> >> later.
> 
> > Some of us are still on 10.6 because it does everything we need it to, 
> > it's familiar, and no features of later versions have sounded compelling 
> > enough to upgrade. Now that support for 10.6 is being dropped I'll have 
> > to reconsider. I'm loath to go to Mavericks, though, because I 
> > understand it will break my newsreader and possibly some other older 
> > apps I keep around.
> 
> You'll be hard pressed to find much beyond NewsWatcher that will break.

EndnoteX4, and whatever version of Acrobat Professional I am using.

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#57294

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-03-01 18:21 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlh498l.l4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#57291
In message <dfritzin-746924.12505201032014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnlh0q3e.8ll.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <billvan-DF262C.20453427022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>>   bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
>> > In article <slrnlgvn8c.k04.g.kreme@oswin.local>,
>> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>> >> In message <530fcc16$0$17118$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> 
>> >>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> >> > On 14-02-27 16:44, Király wrote:
>> >> >> Apple supported Snow Leopard 
>> >> >> for much longer than it did any prevous version of OS X. 
>> >> 
>> >> > This may be the case when referencing how many releases of OS since Snow
>> >> > Leopard. But is this truly the came when referencing time ?
>> >> 
>> >> > As the article stated, with annual changes to the OS, the versions
>> >> > numbers now change much faster.
>> >> 
>> >> > What I would like to know (which I am sure Apple won't reveal) is
>> >> > whether Apple has unbiased data on why people are still on Snow Leopard.
>> >> 
>> >> Of course they do.
>> >> 
>> >> The vast majority are on 10.6 because they cannot update to 10.7 or
>> >> later.
>> 
>> > Some of us are still on 10.6 because it does everything we need it to, 
>> > it's familiar, and no features of later versions have sounded compelling 
>> > enough to upgrade. Now that support for 10.6 is being dropped I'll have 
>> > to reconsider. I'm loath to go to Mavericks, though, because I 
>> > understand it will break my newsreader and possibly some other older 
>> > apps I keep around.
>> 
>> You'll be hard pressed to find much beyond NewsWatcher that will break.

> EndnoteX4, and whatever version of Acrobat Professional I am using.

A refusal to upgrade your software is rather different than software not
working. That said, I am happy to have nothing from Adobe on any
computer I have.

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because they're so vulnerable.

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