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| Started by | Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> |
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| First post | 2014-02-27 16:53 +0100 |
| Last post | 2014-03-08 20:38 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 181 — 35 participants |
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Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 16:53 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 17:00 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Another John <lalaw44@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-27 18:27 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 19:50 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:13 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-02-28 14:08 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-02-27 11:39 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> - 2014-02-27 18:41 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 18:35 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-02-27 23:26 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 18:34 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-27 13:03 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 21:22 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2014-03-03 17:53 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-04 15:37 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-04 22:20 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-05 12:51 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-05 22:33 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-05 17:50 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-05 23:59 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-06 07:40 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-06 18:49 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-06 17:06 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 02:54 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 11:41 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-06 17:03 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-05 16:54 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 01:20 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-06 17:01 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-07 16:35 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-08 14:25 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-02-27 23:26 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:53 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-28 17:58 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-02-27 20:50 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-27 21:44 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:36 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 00:49 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-02-27 20:45 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 10:43 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:52 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 06:41 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-01 15:29 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-01 11:42 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 18:09 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:38 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 17:28 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:40 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 12:23 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-03-02 18:17 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 19:28 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-03 18:39 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 13:25 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 00:47 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:29 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:11 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 16:52 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-03 04:06 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-04 12:02 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-03 18:38 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-04 12:55 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-03 19:51 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-04 01:32 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-03-05 12:33 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-05 18:11 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-04 00:18 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-03-04 06:43 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-04 17:04 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-04 17:59 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-05 12:49 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Kit <kitzyme@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-03-04 14:55 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-04 17:05 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-05 12:49 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dob@trwxxa-2.local (David Blanchard) - 2014-03-09 18:16 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-09 21:56 -0400
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dob@trwxxa-2.local (David Blanchard) - 2014-03-10 16:45 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 18:08 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 17:28 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:50 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 18:21 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-02 12:16 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-28 11:02 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-28 17:25 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-28 18:38 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-28 20:47 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-02-28 18:37 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ronnie Bateman <OurOwnRonnieBateman@earthlinc.net> - 2014-02-28 13:09 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-28 21:57 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:52 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-01 08:08 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-28 20:49 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:50 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-01 13:29 +1100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:48 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-02-28 21:23 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:50 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-01 06:40 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-01 09:31 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2014-03-01 19:24 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-03-01 19:44 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 23:38 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 17:51 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-03-02 11:25 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 05:21 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 01:59 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 02:39 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 07:49 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-02 21:34 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 17:59 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 13:25 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:14 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 17:05 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:12 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:22 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-03 04:29 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 20:02 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 03:17 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 03:47 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 23:02 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 05:12 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-03 00:39 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-03-03 07:27 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-03 01:29 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-03-04 06:51 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-03 04:11 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-03 04:27 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 05:09 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 16:16 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-03 16:29 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-03 12:35 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-03 20:28 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-03-04 22:51 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-04 22:19 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-01 23:38 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-02 01:56 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 02:39 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 07:50 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-02 08:05 -0700
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-03 13:25 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-01 21:13 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-02 05:20 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-02 10:07 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-02 16:28 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-03 09:13 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-28 17:23 +0100
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Ronnie Bateman <OurOwnRonnieBateman@earthlinc.net> - 2014-02-28 13:07 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:49 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:30 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-28 12:04 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:40 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-28 19:48 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-03-01 12:22 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:54 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-02 11:59 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:31 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 12:20 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-06 09:39 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-06 10:57 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 19:05 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-03-06 11:41 -0800
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-07 12:12 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 02:47 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 03:13 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 09:38 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 14:43 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 07:50 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 14:45 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 11:24 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-07 16:39 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-03-07 16:43 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 18:06 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-08 03:37 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-07 15:04 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-03-07 19:37 +1300
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-07 18:38 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 19:21 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-08 00:31 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-07 19:36 -0500
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-03-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-03-08 14:25 -0600
Re: Snow Leopard retires.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-08 20:38 +0000
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-03-02 05:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlh5fsr.r7d.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #57325 |
In message <1lhugji.1ysshjwc4ilrgN%RonTheGuy@null.invalid> Ron <RonTheGuy@null.invalid> wrote: > bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote: >> In article <slrnlgvn8c.k04.g.kreme@oswin.local>, >> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >> > In message <530fcc16$0$17118$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> >> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> > > On 14-02-27 16:44, Király wrote: >> > >> Apple supported Snow Leopard >> > >> for much longer than it did any prevous version of OS X. >> > >> > > This may be the case when referencing how many releases of OS since Snow >> > > Leopard. But is this truly the came when referencing time ? >> > >> > > As the article stated, with annual changes to the OS, the versions >> > > numbers now change much faster. >> > >> > > What I would like to know (which I am sure Apple won't reveal) is >> > > whether Apple has unbiased data on why people are still on Snow Leopard. >> > >> > Of course they do. >> > >> > The vast majority are on 10.6 because they cannot update to 10.7 or >> > later. >> >> Some of us are still on 10.6 because it does everything we need it to, >> it's familiar, and no features of later versions have sounded compelling >> enough to upgrade. Now that support for 10.6 is being dropped I'll have >> to reconsider. I'm loath to go to Mavericks, though, because I >> understand it will break my newsreader and possibly some other older >> apps I keep around. > Is the upgrade from SL to Mavericks free? I haven't seen that mentioned > in this thread. Mavericks is free, period. -- "I'm not bad; I'm just drawn that way."
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-02 10:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-86B9E5.10072502032014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57340 |
In article <slrnlh5fsr.r7d.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Mavericks is free, period. But the collateral damage is very expensive. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-02 16:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bnh4hhF37q6U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57359 |
On 2014-03-02, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnlh5fsr.r7d.g.kreme@amelia.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> Mavericks is free, period. > > But the collateral damage is very expensive. Only for those too bullheaded to accept change. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-03 09:13 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-F991C4.09130803032014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57368 |
In article <bnh4hhF37q6U6@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-03-02, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > In article <slrnlh5fsr.r7d.g.kreme@amelia.local>, > > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > >> Mavericks is free, period. > > > > But the collateral damage is very expensive. > > Only for those too bullheaded to accept change. $$ are $$. I would have to replace too much software for, in my opinion, an unimportant "up"grade. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-28 17:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <leqd6l$o9t$1@tota-refugium.de> |
| In reply to | #57220 |
On 2/28/14 1:49 AM, Lewis wrote: > In message <530fcc16$0$17118$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> On 14-02-27 16:44, Király wrote: >> What I would like to know (which I am sure Apple won't reveal) is >> whether Apple has unbiased data on why people are still on Snow Leopard. > > Of course they do. > Apple does not care a penny on people who want to stay on Snow Leopard. They want to sell hardware. Ideally a new one each year... -- One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round. One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)
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| From | Ronnie Bateman <OurOwnRonnieBateman@earthlinc.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-28 13:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <OurOwnRonnieBateman-4A57D1.13074128022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57220 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Of course they do. > > The vast majority are on 10.6 because they cannot update to 10.7 or > later. I'm on it for exactly one reason: My older version of Photoshop isn't supported by 10.7. If/when I can get my hands on a newer version....
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-28 19:49 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-7A546D.19491528022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57210 |
In article <530fcc16$0$17118$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-02-27 16:44, Király wrote: > > Apple supported Snow Leopard > > for much longer than it did any prevous version of OS X. > > This may be the case when referencing how many releases of OS since Snow > Leopard. But is this truly the came when referencing time ? > > As the article stated, with annual changes to the OS, the versions > numbers now change much faster. > > > What I would like to know (which I am sure Apple won't reveal) is > whether Apple has unbiased data on why people are still on Snow Leopard. They like it better than what the "up"grade offers 8-) -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-01 12:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dfritzin-CFCD27.12301601032014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57266 |
In article <drache-7A546D.19491528022014@news.eternal-september.org>, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <530fcc16$0$17118$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > On 14-02-27 16:44, Király wrote: > > > Apple supported Snow Leopard > > > for much longer than it did any prevous version of OS X. > > > > This may be the case when referencing how many releases of OS since Snow > > Leopard. But is this truly the came when referencing time ? > > > > As the article stated, with annual changes to the OS, the versions > > numbers now change much faster. > > > > > > What I would like to know (which I am sure Apple won't reveal) is > > whether Apple has unbiased data on why people are still on Snow Leopard. > > They like it better than what the "up"grade offers 8-) In my case, it lets me use one PPC program that is not available for a Intel-based Macs. Indeed, I am keeping ML on my most frequently used Mac because the upgrade to Mavericks lost support for an important program for me, EndNoteX4. I am running Mavericks on my laptop, but have SL partitions on both machines.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-02-28 12:04 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lhry0g.v9fwuf1dl9uj3N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #57181 |
John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:53:54 +0100, Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> > wrote: > > >http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246609/Apple_retires_Snow_Leopard > >_from_support_leaves_1_in_5_Macs_vulnerable_to_attacks > > Well, I guess that answers my question, posed in a different thread. > It is typical of Apple, though. Microsoft gave WinXP users five years > or so of warning, including a couple of extensions, before pulling the > plug; Apple? Well Apple tells us "Hey, guys, by the way, SL went > obsolete last year. Didn't we tell you?" I agree that Apple should have a published policy about how long they supply security updates for old versions of OS X. Apple's policy appears to be designed to push OS version upgrades, if you want to get security fixes for a reasonable lifetime for your Mac. If you never upgrade the OS which came with the Mac, you might get as little as two years of security updates. If you do upgrade the OS, you should get at least five years of security updates, and in most cases at least six years. (The only recent case under five years was the last PowerMac G5 models, discontinued August 2006 and had their final possible security update in July 2011.) The timing has been similar for recent OS X versions, so there shouldn't be any surprises if you have been paying attention. 10.3: introduced October 2003, final security update November 2007. 10.4: introduced April 2005, final security update September 2009. 10.5: introduced October 2007, final security update June 2011 (there was also a special Flashback update in May 2012). 10.6: introduced August 2009, final security update September 2013. 10.7: introduced July 2011, still getting security updates. 10.8: introduced July 2012, still getting security updates. 10.9: introduced October 2013, getting minor version updates. The general pattern is that each version is supported with security updates (including those in the initial minor version updates) for about four years after it was released. The cutoff is around the time a subsequent major version is released, so the "about four years" varies by a few months. 10.3: final security update was one month after the release of 10.5. 10.4: final security update was one month after the release of 10.6. 10.5: final security update was one month before the release of 10.7. 10.6: final security update was one month before the release of 10.9. It used to be the case that security updates continued until the second subsequent version was released, but because Apple went to roughly annual releases after 10.7, 10.6 got security updates until the third subsequent version, and if the timing pattern continues, 10.7 and later should get security updates until the fourth subsequent version is released, i.e. 10.7 should get security updates until about late 2015, 10.8 until about late 2016, etc. Until the release of 10.9.2 and associated security updates, we didn't know whether Snow Leopard was going to get a reprieve and be supported for longer than was the case for earlier versions. It turned out to be the same timing as Leopard (relative to when a subsequent new version was released about four years later). It is also worth noting that at the point each of 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 got their final security update, they were being used by 18% to 22% of Mac users according to web usage stats from marketshare.hitslink.com (more like 15% to 19% by the time they missed out on a susbsequent round of updates, which is the danger point). Given the even lower usage level of 10.7 (below 16% as of last month), Apple might change their unpublished policy and only supply security updates for about 3 years for 10.7 and later, i.e. stop updating Lion around late 2014. That would be sufficient to supply at least five years of security updates to the newest Macs unable to upgrade to 10.8 (Mac Mini bought around Feb 2009), assuming that OS version upgrades are installed. 10.8 might get even less than 3 years, because 10.9 is free and didn't drop support for any models, and because 10.8's usage level is already below 20%. 10.9's web usage level is likely to reach 50% of Macs in either the February or March stats. 10.7 and 10.8 didn't quite make it to 50% before the next version came out, but 10.5 and 10.6 did (each got to 70%, but they had twice as long to do it). -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-27 18:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <530fcd01$0$49615$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #57202 |
On 14-02-27 18:04, David Empson wrote: > Apple's policy appears to be designed to push OS version upgrades, if > you want to get security fixes for a reasonable lifetime for your Mac. You use the word "upgrade". If Snow Leopard to Lion had been an "upgrade" I would have agreed. Bit Lion and successors are not really upgrades since there is loss of functionlity, and major changes on UI. When Apple did not have annual changes to the OS, it perhaps had more time to ensure thsoe changes were true upgrades. But with yearly changes, I doubt they have the time to ensure this is truly an upgrade especially since many changes are done just for the sake of changing stuff. (Removing Save AS is one such bonehead moves).
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| From | erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-28 19:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <drache-4574A5.19482128022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57213 |
In article <530fcd01$0$49615$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-02-27 18:04, David Empson wrote: > > > Apple's policy appears to be designed to push OS version upgrades, if > > you want to get security fixes for a reasonable lifetime for your Mac. > > You use the word "upgrade". If Snow Leopard to Lion had been an > "upgrade" I would have agreed. Bit Lion and successors are not really > upgrades since there is loss of functionlity, and major changes on UI. > > When Apple did not have annual changes to the OS, it perhaps had more > time to ensure thsoe changes were true upgrades. But with yearly > changes, I doubt they have the time to ensure this is truly an upgrade > especially since many changes are done just for the sake of changing stuff. > > (Removing Save AS is one such bonehead moves). I haven't seen an OS "upgrade" in years that didn't lose me a lot more than I gained--IF I gained anything. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
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| From | David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-01 12:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dfritzin-DB6CC1.12222701032014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57181 |
In article <q09vg919386r92ekq8b23r4fjgmmgupk9c@4ax.com>, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:53:54 +0100, Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> > wrote: > > >http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246609/Apple_retires_Snow_Leopard > >_from_support_leaves_1_in_5_Macs_vulnerable_to_attacks > > Well, I guess that answers my question, posed in a different thread. > It is typical of Apple, though. Microsoft gave WinXP users five years > or so of warning, including a couple of extensions, before pulling the > plug; Apple? Well Apple tells us "Hey, guys, by the way, SL went > obsolete last year. Didn't we tell you?" > I suppose it's just as well I'll never need nor want another > computer. > J. Of course, a couples of the reason MS had to keep supporting XP was that Vista was so bad that no one wanted to adopt it, and that companies are pretty much against changing OSs when the old one seemed to work fine. Since Windows has been designed for corporate clients, they had no choice but to keep supporting it.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-03-02 11:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <R6Sdnbz0Pv6q_47OnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #57287 |
On 2014.03.01, 12:22 , David Fritzinger wrote:
> In article <q09vg919386r92ekq8b23r4fjgmmgupk9c@4ax.com>,
> John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:53:54 +0100, Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246609/Apple_retires_Snow_Leopard
>>> _from_support_leaves_1_in_5_Macs_vulnerable_to_attacks
>>
>> Well, I guess that answers my question, posed in a different thread.
>> It is typical of Apple, though. Microsoft gave WinXP users five years
>> or so of warning, including a couple of extensions, before pulling the
>> plug; Apple? Well Apple tells us "Hey, guys, by the way, SL went
>> obsolete last year. Didn't we tell you?"
>> I suppose it's just as well I'll never need nor want another
>> computer.
>> J.
>
> Of course, a couples of the reason MS had to keep supporting XP was that
> Vista was so bad that no one wanted to adopt it, and that companies are
> pretty much against changing OSs when the old one seemed to work fine.
> Since Windows has been designed for corporate clients, they had no
> choice but to keep supporting it.
--
Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
- Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.
Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
people are not trained to perform.
- Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.
... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
for the services these companies offer. What they really
want is to have us "on the leash."
-David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-03-02 11:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <e9OdnQd3N_n-_o7OnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #57287 |
On 2014.03.01, 12:22 , David Fritzinger wrote:
> Of course, a couples of the reason MS had to keep supporting XP was that
> Vista was so bad that no one wanted to adopt it,
Indeed Vista spurred my jump to Mac.
--
Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
- Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-27 18:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <530fcad7$0$32713$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #57163 |
On 14-02-27 10:53, Stephen wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246609/Apple_retires_Snow_Leopard > _from_support_leaves_1_in_5_Macs_vulnerable_to_attacks Considering Snow Leopard was the last version to have a true server version, (and support for Xserves), I find it disapointing that they would not have 5 year support for servers.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 12:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlhgq03.2m6h.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #57163 |
In message <gratefuldead-F3D5B4.16535327022014@newszilla.xs4all.nl> Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > Sort of... > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246609/Apple_retires_Snow_Leopard_from_support_leaves_1_in_5_Macs_vulnerable_to_attacks BTW, this article was written by a known anti-Apple agitator and bears no relationship to actual facts. Snow Leopard is still purchasable from Apple, and there is no indication that there will not be any further updates for it. -- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
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| From | bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 09:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <billvan-805BC9.09393206032014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57654 |
In article <slrnlhgq03.2m6h.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <gratefuldead-F3D5B4.16535327022014@newszilla.xs4all.nl> > Stephen <gratefuldead@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > Sort of... > > > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246609/Apple_retires_Snow_Leopard_fr > > om_support_leaves_1_in_5_Macs_vulnerable_to_attacks > > BTW, this article was written by a known anti-Apple agitator and bears > no relationship to actual facts. > > Snow Leopard is still purchasable from Apple, and there is no indication > that there will not be any further updates for it. There is one pretty good indication: Updates for Snow Leopard have ceased completely since shortly after Mavericks came out. In the past week there have been security updates for Safari on later operation systems, but not for Snow Leopard. -- bill
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| From | bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 10:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <billvan-F77431.10570706032014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57666 |
In article <billvan-805BC9.09393206032014@news.eternal-september.org>, bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote: > In article <slrnlhgq03.2m6h.g.kreme@amelia.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > > Snow Leopard is still purchasable from Apple, and there is no indication > > that there will not be any further updates for it. > > There is one pretty good indication: Updates for Snow Leopard have > ceased completely since shortly after Mavericks came out. In the past > week there have been security updates for Safari on later operation > systems, but not for Snow Leopard. operating systems, that is. -- bill
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 19:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlhhhoe.2ok2.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #57672 |
In message <billvan-F77431.10570706032014@news.eternal-september.org> bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote: > In article <billvan-805BC9.09393206032014@news.eternal-september.org>, > bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote: >> In article <slrnlhgq03.2m6h.g.kreme@amelia.local>, >> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >> > Snow Leopard is still purchasable from Apple, and there is no indication >> > that there will not be any further updates for it. >> >> There is one pretty good indication: Updates for Snow Leopard have >> ceased completely since shortly after Mavericks came out. In the past >> week there have been security updates for Safari on later operation >> systems, but not for Snow Leopard. > operating systems, that is. Do those security updates for Safari have any relevance for Snow Leopard? -- and I lift my glass to the Awful Truth / which you can't reveal to the Ears of Youth / except to say it isn't worth a dime
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| From | bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 11:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <billvan-520587.11410706032014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57673 |
In article <slrnlhhhoe.2ok2.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <billvan-F77431.10570706032014@news.eternal-september.org> > bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote: > > In article <billvan-805BC9.09393206032014@news.eternal-september.org>, > > bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote: > > >> In article <slrnlhgq03.2m6h.g.kreme@amelia.local>, > >> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> > >> > Snow Leopard is still purchasable from Apple, and there is no indication > >> > that there will not be any further updates for it. > >> > >> There is one pretty good indication: Updates for Snow Leopard have > >> ceased completely since shortly after Mavericks came out. In the past > >> week there have been security updates for Safari on later operation > >> systems, but not for Snow Leopard. > > > operating systems, that is. > > Do those security updates for Safari have any relevance for Snow > Leopard? Can't say, although it seems likely. But there hasn't been a software update of any kind for Snow Leopard since mid-December. Before that, there were at least several a week, without fail. You said there had been "no indication". I think the lack of software updates for nearly three months screams "indication". -- bill
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