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  10.9.2 is out, by the way... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:36 -0500
    Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 20:01 -0500
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 19:57 -0600
        Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:50 +0000
          Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 21:10 -0600
            Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 04:11 +0000
              Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-26 17:32 +1300
                Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 04:37 +0000
              Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 13:56 +0000
                Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 16:34 +0000
                  Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-02-26 21:15 -0800
              Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-26 09:39 -0600
                Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 16:35 +0000
                  Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-26 12:11 -0500
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2014-02-25 22:39 -0500
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... jimchance99@gmail.com - 2014-02-26 06:26 -0800
    Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:49 +0000
    Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-02-25 20:58 -0800
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-26 09:12 -0500
        Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-26 16:42 +0000
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-26 08:43 -0600
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-26 15:09 -0500
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-02-26 21:17 -0800
    Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-27 16:42 +0000
    Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2014-02-27 10:57 -0600
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-27 17:08 +0000
        Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-02-27 20:54 +0000
          Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-27 21:21 +0000
          Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:38 -0500
          Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-28 12:04 +1300
          Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-27 23:21 +0000
            Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-27 18:43 -0500
              Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-28 01:16 +0000
                Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Antti Talsta <atalsta@criss.dyndns.org> - 2014-02-28 03:33 +0200
                Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-28 02:58 +0000
                  Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-28 04:03 +0000
                    Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-28 04:36 +0000
                  Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 10:49 +0000
                    Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-28 16:40 +0000
                  Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-28 22:25 -0500
                Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-28 23:44 +0000
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Kaltsas, Alexander G <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-27 15:16 -0600
      Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:11 -0500
        Re: 10.9.2 is out, by the way... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-28 12:20 +1300

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#57132

On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:58:22 -0800, Kevin McMurtrie 
<mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> In article <g46dnU6v66y2qpDOnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1725 (        if you're at 10.9.1)
>> 
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1726 (Combo - if you're at 10.9.0)
>
> My laptop at work booted with both the internal and external monitor 
> backlights completely off.  A forced reboot didn't fix it and the 
> brightness keys didn't work.  I had to unplug the external monitor and 
> shine a light through the Apple logo to log in.  The backlight keys 
> then worked after login finished.

Well, duh.  You forgot the goat sacrifice.

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#57142

On 2014.02.25, 23:58 , Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> In article <g46dnU6v66y2qpDOnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1725 (        if you're at 10.9.1)
>>
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1726 (Combo - if you're at 10.9.0)
>
> My laptop at work booted with both the internal and external monitor
> backlights completely off.  A forced reboot didn't fix it and the
> brightness keys didn't work.  I had to unplug the external monitor and
> shine a light through the Apple logo to log in.

ROFL - actually I'm delighted you thought of doing that.  Wouldn't work 
with my iMac - but probably with the MBA and MBP here.

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#57162

Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> writes:

> In article <g46dnU6v66y2qpDOnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1725 (        if you're at 10.9.1)
> > 
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1726 (Combo - if you're at 10.9.0)
> 
> My laptop at work booted with both the internal and external monitor 
> backlights completely off.  A forced reboot didn't fix it and the 
> brightness keys didn't work.  I had to unplug the external monitor and 
> shine a light through the Apple logo to log in.  The backlight keys then 
> worked after login finished.

Ah, so that's why they put the logo there!

Martin

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#57167

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1725 (        if you're at 10.9.1)
> 
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1726 (Combo - if you're at 10.9.0)

There was a big parental controls bug for me. I tried setting up a 
managed account so that the only restriction was two apps were blocked. 
The result was that every app except Finder was blocked. I'm not sure if 
this is 10.9.2 related or not because I didn't try it before 10.9.2. 

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57168

In article <g46dnU6v66y2qpDOnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1725 (        if you're at 10.9.1)
> 
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1726 (Combo - if you're at 10.9.0)

And for those procrastinators like me who are still running 10.8.5 Š?

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#57169

Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:
> And for those procrastinators like me who are still running 10.8.5 ??

Any reason why you're still there?

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57182

On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:08:01 UTC, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) 
wrote:

> Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > And for those procrastinators like me who are still running 10.8.5 ??
> 
> Any reason why you're still there?
 
I'm still on 10.8.5 because there were enough gripes here about 
Mavericks that I thought I'd wait for 10.9.1. Then when it came out 
there were more gripes so I decided to wait for 10.9.2. Has the time
come upgrade? When/if I download will I get 10.9.2, and if I don't 
is there a combo update?

-- 
John Varela

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#57186

On 2014-02-27, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:08:01 UTC, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) 
> wrote:
>
>> Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > And for those procrastinators like me who are still running 10.8.5 ??
>> 
>> Any reason why you're still there?
>  
> I'm still on 10.8.5 because there were enough gripes here about 
> Mavericks that I thought I'd wait for 10.9.1. Then when it came out 
> there were more gripes so I decided to wait for 10.9.2. Has the time
> come upgrade? When/if I download will I get 10.9.2, and if I don't 
> is there a combo update?

I'm sure if you want, you can find gripes about *every single release
ever*. Meanwhile, plenty of us are happily using the latest version.
Perhaps it's all about your perspective.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#57198

On 2014.02.27, 15:54 , John Varela wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:08:01 UTC, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
> wrote:
>
>> Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> And for those procrastinators like me who are still running 10.8.5 ??
>>
>> Any reason why you're still there?
>
> I'm still on 10.8.5 because there were enough gripes here about
> Mavericks that I thought I'd wait for 10.9.1. Then when it came out
> there were more gripes so I decided to wait for 10.9.2. Has the time
> come upgrade? When/if I download will I get 10.9.2, and if I don't
> is there a combo update?

Given the various bits of rash I and others have seen with 10.9.2 - I'd 
wait another month or so for 10.9.3


-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#57200

John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:08:01 UTC, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) 
> wrote:
> 
> > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > And for those procrastinators like me who are still running 10.8.5 ??
> > 
> > Any reason why you're still there?
>  
> I'm still on 10.8.5 because there were enough gripes here about 
> Mavericks that I thought I'd wait for 10.9.1. Then when it came out 
> there were more gripes so I decided to wait for 10.9.2. Has the time
> come upgrade? When/if I download will I get 10.9.2, and if I don't 
> is there a combo update?

If you upgrade to Mavericks now via the App Store, you will go straight
to 10.9.2.

If you had previously downloaded an older Mavericks installer and use
that now, it will probably try to download the 10.9.2 installer anyway.
If it can't and you end up with 10.9 or 10.9.1, you can then use
Software Update in App Store to update directly to 10.9.2, or you can
download the 10.9.2 combo update from Apple's download support site.

As for the gripe level: after one day, I've noticed several improvements
over 10.9.1, but I haven't had time yet to hunt down whether there are
still annoying gremlins which affect me.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#57205

John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> I'm still on 10.8.5 because there were enough gripes here about 
> Mavericks that I thought I'd wait for 10.9.1. Then when it came out 
> there were more gripes so I decided to wait for 10.9.2.

There are gripes about every release of OS X every time.

It's a free upgrade; you have nothing to lose. If you find it's not to 
your liking you can always restore 10.8.5 from backup.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57214

On 14-02-27 18:21, Király wrote:

> It's a free upgrade; you have nothing to lose. If you find it's not to 
> your liking you can always restore 10.8.5 from backup.

When time is money, this is not a free upgrade. When you have had a Snow
Leopard system that was tuned to your liking with all the various
customizations (such as enabling various unix services such as telnet,
X11 etc), then moving to Mavericks involves a lot of time and testing to
get your environment bacvk to what it was before, espewcially whjen you
have to do research to revert many of the undesirable changes.

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#57223

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> When time is money, this is not a free upgrade. When you have had a Snow
> Leopard system that was tuned to your liking with all the various
> customizations (such as enabling various unix services such as telnet,
> X11 etc), then moving to Mavericks involves a lot of time and testing to
> get your environment bacvk to what it was before, espewcially whjen you
> have to do research to revert many of the undesirable changes.

Enable telnet? I've never had to do that. It has always been included 
and always worked.

telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

Yup, still works.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57224

On 2014-02-28, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:

> Enable telnet? I've never had to do that. It has always been included 
> and always worked.

JF wrote services. Telnet server.

-- 
Antti Talsta

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#57225

On 2014-02-28, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> When time is money, this is not a free upgrade. When you have had a Snow
>> Leopard system that was tuned to your liking with all the various
>> customizations (such as enabling various unix services such as telnet,
>> X11 etc), then moving to Mavericks involves a lot of time and testing to
>> get your environment bacvk to what it was before, espewcially whjen you
>> have to do research to revert many of the undesirable changes.
>
> Enable telnet? I've never had to do that. It has always been included 
> and always worked.
>
> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
>
> Yup, still works.

I'm betting he meant enabling the telnet daemon (not that that's hard to
do).

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#57226

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> I'm betting he meant enabling the telnet daemon (not that that's hard to
> do).

Well, in any case, we were talking about moving to 10.9 from 10.8; not 
from 10.6. For me, moving from 10.8 to 10.9 didn't disrupt anything.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57228

On 2014-02-28, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> I'm betting he meant enabling the telnet daemon (not that that's hard to
>> do).
>
> Well, in any case, we were talking about moving to 10.9 from 10.8; not 
> from 10.6. For me, moving from 10.8 to 10.9 didn't disrupt anything.

I've had occasional nuisances with various system updates - especially
with server type stuff; but I've come to expect that. In general,
though, it's been relatively smooth sailing.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#57234

In message <bnacb8Fki8kU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-28, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> When time is money, this is not a free upgrade. When you have had a Snow
>>> Leopard system that was tuned to your liking with all the various
>>> customizations (such as enabling various unix services such as telnet,
>>> X11 etc), then moving to Mavericks involves a lot of time and testing to
>>> get your environment bacvk to what it was before, espewcially whjen you
>>> have to do research to revert many of the undesirable changes.
>>
>> Enable telnet? I've never had to do that. It has always been included 
>> and always worked.
>>
>> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
>>
>> Yup, still works.

> I'm betting he meant enabling the telnet daemon (not that that's hard to
> do).

I've never enabled the telnet daemon in OS X. Heck, the last time I
enabled telent was under RedHat in... I don't even know, 1994? No, must
have been later than that. It was an early version of Redhat. Maybe '97?

I sometimes, though rarely, have to use telnet to talk to a really
stupid device (like a router), but most devices aren't that stupid
anymore and have either an icky webface or support ssh.

Mostly what I use telnet for is testing if the identd spoofer I wrote is
up and running.

<checks>

Yep, it's running.

-- 
You try to shape the world to what you want the world to be.  Carving
your name a thousand times won't bring you back to me.  Oh no, no I
might as well go and tell it to the trees. Go and tell it to the trees,
yeah.

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#57247

On 2014-02-28, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <bnacb8Fki8kU1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-28, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>> When time is money, this is not a free upgrade. When you have had a Snow
>>>> Leopard system that was tuned to your liking with all the various
>>>> customizations (such as enabling various unix services such as telnet,
>>>> X11 etc), then moving to Mavericks involves a lot of time and testing to
>>>> get your environment bacvk to what it was before, espewcially whjen you
>>>> have to do research to revert many of the undesirable changes.
>>>
>>> Enable telnet? I've never had to do that. It has always been included 
>>> and always worked.
>>>
>>> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
>>>
>>> Yup, still works.
>
>> I'm betting he meant enabling the telnet daemon (not that that's hard to
>> do).
>
> I've never enabled the telnet daemon in OS X. Heck, the last time I
> enabled telent was under RedHat in... I don't even know, 1994? No, must
> have been later than that. It was an early version of Redhat. Maybe '97?

Well some of us aren't so lucky.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#57276

On 14-02-27 21:58, Jolly Roger wrote:

> I'm betting he meant enabling the telnet daemon (not that that's hard to
> do).


Apple has changed how these things are done over the years, same with
other services such as NFS and others. And post Snow Leopard, enabling
NFS becomes more complicated, so it takes time to learn.

So while many thing continue to be available, the upgrade itself
requires a lot of time/research to re-enable stuff that are now done
diffently on teh new version, as well as disabling the new undesirable
stuff.

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