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Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw

Started byTed Lee <tmplee@gmail.com>
First post2014-02-22 12:56 -0600
Last post2014-03-01 21:53 +0000
Articles 20 on this page of 197 — 21 participants

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  Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 12:56 -0600
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 14:15 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 14:47 -0500
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:30 +0000
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 19:04 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 00:36 +0000
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 09:48 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:41 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 12:05 -0500
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 17:22 +0000
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-24 02:15 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 03:57 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:25 -0500
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 08:16 +0000
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:50 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 07:51 -0800
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 11:23 -0500
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 15:05 -0800
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 20:01 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 04:21 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-24 04:35 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 06:00 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-24 16:52 -0500
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-24 21:54 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:44 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:19 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:26 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:40 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:46 -0500
                                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:57 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:43 -0500
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:19 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:29 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:40 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:45 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:57 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 05:04 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 06:00 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 16:10 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-24 12:15 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 22:33 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:47 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-25 13:41 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-25 09:06 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 19:14 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 20:42 +0100
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 21:32 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 17:12 -0600
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 17:24 -0600
                                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:38 +0000
                                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 21:03 -0600
                                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 04:19 +0000
                                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-02-28 11:29 -0500
                                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-28 12:48 -0600
                                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-26 01:44 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 21:59 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 22:33 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 23:13 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:45 -0500
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 23:17 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:28 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-24 23:16 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-24 21:17 -0800
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 21:03 +0100
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 21:00 +0100
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 22:02 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 08:11 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 16:47 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-25 17:03 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:45 -0500
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:05 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 20:57 +0100
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-02-26 09:52 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-06 02:36 +0200
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 21:24 +0100
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 20:43 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:40 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:47 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 15:37 -0800
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 20:08 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 01:15 +0000
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 18:45 -0800
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 02:52 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 19:01 -0800
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 04:23 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 22:10 +0100
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 22:21 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:27 -0500
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:27 -0500
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-24 21:05 -0800
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:34 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 21:58 +0100
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:04 -0500
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 02:44 +0000
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 01:14 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 04:11 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:36 -0500
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 08:20 +0000
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 17:00 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 20:05 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 21:31 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-25 19:13 -0800
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 04:35 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-26 06:42 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-01 21:57 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 23:29 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-13 15:06 -0400
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-04-13 21:11 +0000
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-15 17:03 -0400
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-16 09:29 +1200
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:29 -0500
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-26 00:49 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:59 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-26 02:03 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 22:13 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-26 14:03 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 23:42 +0000
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:03 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:47 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:10 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-13 15:11 -0400
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-13 15:43 -0400
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:42 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-13 15:08 -0400
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-13 15:41 -0400
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:18 -0500
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 23:39 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:09 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 13:03 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-23 01:32 +0000
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:07 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-06 02:44 +0200
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 17:49 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 19:07 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 22:23 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 03:49 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:12 -0500
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:42 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:38 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:11 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:38 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-24 10:42 -0800
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:07 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-02-22 23:01 -0800
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:38 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-24 01:46 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-01 21:52 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 00:05 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 22:24 +0100
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw mcarels@xs4all.nl (Maarten Carels) - 2014-02-24 10:43 +0100
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:39 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:16 -0500
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 14:18 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-22 13:43 -0600
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 14:52 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-22 20:05 +0000
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 15:16 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-22 21:10 +0000
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 16:25 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-22 22:13 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 22:19 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 18:55 -0500
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 09:38 +0000
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:17 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 15:42 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:45 -0500
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 17:09 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 13:51 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 20:07 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 15:14 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 15:20 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-24 02:18 +0000
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 17:51 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 17:55 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 21:50 +0000
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 19:09 -0500
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-02-22 12:35 -0800
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 16:59 -0500
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 22:14 +0000
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 17:53 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 18:01 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 18:22 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 18:29 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 23:33 +0000
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 18:23 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 01:08 +0000
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 21:49 +0000
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-02-22 22:57 -0800
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:36 +0000
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 11:58 -0500
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:35 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 21:03 +0000
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#56950

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-24 04:35 +0000
Message-ID<CF307C7C.42D8D%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
In reply to#56947
On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>  if bar(foo) then
>>    begin
>>      brat (tat);
>>      stat (a,v)
>>    end
>>  else
>>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
> 
> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
> 
>   if bar(foo) {
>     brat(tat);
>     stat(a,v);
>   } else {
>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>   }
> 
> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
> 
> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.

How does this grab you?

if bar(foo) then
   brat(tat);
   stat(a,v);
else
   faggetaboutit("I object!");
end if;

-- 
Bill Findlay
with blueyonder.co.uk;
use  surname & forename;

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#56954

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-02-24 06:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlglnv0.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#56950
In message <CF307C7C.42D8D%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> 
  Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>  if bar(foo) then
>>>    begin
>>>      brat (tat);
>>>      stat (a,v)
>>>    end
>>>  else
>>>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
>> 
>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>> 
>>   if bar(foo) {
>>     brat(tat);
>>     stat(a,v);
>>   } else {
>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>   }
>> 
>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>> 
>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.

> How does this grab you?

> if bar(foo) then
>    brat(tat);
>    stat(a,v);
> else
>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
> end if;

It's ok, but it looks like it's missing braces to me :)

-- 
The way I see it, the longer I put it off, the better it'll end up
being. Heck, school doesn't start for another 43 minutes.

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#56987

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-02-24 16:52 -0500
Message-ID<530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#56950
On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:

> How does this grab you?
> 
> if bar(foo) then
>    brat(tat);
>    stat(a,v);
> else
>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
> end if;


The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
error in this one :-)

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#56989

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-24 21:54 +0000
Message-ID<CF31700D.42E86%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
In reply to#56987
On 24/02/2014 21:52, in article
530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:
> 
>> How does this grab you?
>> 
>> if bar(foo) then
>>    brat(tat);
>>    stat(a,v);
>> else
>>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
>> end if;
> 
> 
> The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
> error in this one :-)

But the OS X Ada 2012 compiler is perfectly happy with it.  8-)

-- 
Bill Findlay
with blueyonder.co.uk;
use  surname & forename;

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#57012

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 17:44 -0500
Message-ID<Ls-dnW01lJP-VpbOnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#56989
On 2014.02.24, 16:54 , Bill Findlay wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 21:52, in article
> 530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:
>>
>>> How does this grab you?
>>>
>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>     brat(tat);
>>>     stat(a,v);
>>> else
>>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>> end if;
>>
>>
>> The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
>> error in this one :-)
>
> But the OS X Ada 2012 compiler is perfectly happy with it.  8-)

Doesn't Ada require begin/end after the then, since there are two 
statements?

(I tool an Ada course about 25 years ago, so it's not fresh in my noggin)

-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
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#57028

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-25 00:19 +0000
Message-ID<1028711886414980134.989923yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net>
In reply to#57012
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.24, 16:54 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>> On 24/02/2014 21:52, in article
>> 530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:
>>> 
>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>> 
>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>     brat(tat);
>>>>     stat(a,v);
>>>> else
>>>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>> end if;
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
>>> error in this one :-)
>> 
>> But the OS X Ada 2012 compiler is perfectly happy with it.  8-)
> 
> Doesn't Ada require begin/end after the then, since there are two statements?
> 

No.  All statement sequences have explicit terminators, so no role for
compound statements.
begin ... end is used only for blocks (scopes).

-- 
Bill Findlay

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#57030

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 19:26 -0500
Message-ID<O5OdnbPwcpq-fpbOnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#57028
On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.24, 16:54 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2014 21:52, in article
>>> 530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>>>
>>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>>      brat(tat);
>>>>>      stat(a,v);
>>>>> else
>>>>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>> end if;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
>>>> error in this one :-)
>>>
>>> But the OS X Ada 2012 compiler is perfectly happy with it.  8-)
>>
>> Doesn't Ada require begin/end after the then, since there are two statements?
>>
>
> No.  All statement sequences have explicit terminators, so no role for
> compound statements.
> begin ... end is used only for blocks (scopes).

Got it. I tried to install Ada a couple years ago.  Either it wouldn't 
install or it wouldn't compile - don't recall which.  I would like to 
try it again.

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   people are not trained to perform.
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#57033

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-25 00:40 +0000
Message-ID<2116066512414981581.610674yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net>
In reply to#57030
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.02.24, 16:54 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>> On 24/02/2014 21:52, in article
>>>> 530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
>>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>      brat(tat);
>>>>>>      stat(a,v);
>>>>>> else
>>>>>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>> end if;
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
>>>>> error in this one :-)
>>>> 
>>>> But the OS X Ada 2012 compiler is perfectly happy with it.  8-)
>>> 
>>> Doesn't Ada require begin/end after the then, since there are two statements?
>>> 
>> 
>> No.  All statement sequences have explicit terminators, so no role for
>> compound statements.
>> begin ... end is used only for blocks (scopes).
> 
> Got it. I tried to install Ada a couple years ago.  Either it wouldn't
> install or it wouldn't compile - don't recall which.  I would like to try it again.

Try here http://libre.adacore.com/download/

-- 
Bill Findlay

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#57036

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 19:46 -0500
Message-ID<zdednaiYZ4FmepbOnZ2dnUVZ_tsAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#57033
On 2014.02.24, 19:40 , Bill Findlay wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.02.24, 16:54 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>> On 24/02/2014 21:52, in article
>>>>> 530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
>>>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>>       brat(tat);
>>>>>>>       stat(a,v);
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>>> end if;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
>>>>>> error in this one :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> But the OS X Ada 2012 compiler is perfectly happy with it.  8-)
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't Ada require begin/end after the then, since there are two statements?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.  All statement sequences have explicit terminators, so no role for
>>> compound statements.
>>> begin ... end is used only for blocks (scopes).
>>
>> Got it. I tried to install Ada a couple years ago.  Either it wouldn't
>> install or it wouldn't compile - don't recall which.  I would like to try it again.
>
> Try here http://libre.adacore.com/download/

That's where I got it.  Say... Do I have to install that from the Admin 
account and not my usual user account?
I seem to recall a really long install script running...


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#57039

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-25 00:57 +0000
Message-ID<673423828414982474.699869yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net>
In reply to#57036
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.24, 19:40 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2014.02.24, 16:54 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/02/2014 21:52, in article
>>>>>> 530bbf06$0$1415$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei"
>>>>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14-02-23 23:35, Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>>>       brat(tat);
>>>>>>>>       stat(a,v);
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>>>> end if;
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The C compiler would get a field day insulting you with error after
>>>>>>> error in this one :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But the OS X Ada 2012 compiler is perfectly happy with it.  8-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Doesn't Ada require begin/end after the then, since there are two statements?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No.  All statement sequences have explicit terminators, so no role for
>>>> compound statements.
>>>> begin ... end is used only for blocks (scopes).
>>> 
>>> Got it. I tried to install Ada a couple years ago.  Either it wouldn't
>>> install or it wouldn't compile - don't recall which.  I would like to try it again.
>> 
>> Try here http://libre.adacore.com/download/
> 
> That's where I got it.  Say... Do I have to install that from the Admin
> account and not my usual user account?
> I seem to recall a really long install script running...
> 

That is what I would do.

-- 
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#57011

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 17:43 -0500
Message-ID<Ls-dnXI1lJNnV5bOnZ2dnUVZ_oMAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#56950
On 2014.02.23, 23:35 , Bill Findlay wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>   if bar(foo) then
>>>     begin
>>>       brat (tat);
>>>       stat (a,v)
>>>     end
>>>   else
>>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>
>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>
>>    if bar(foo) {
>>      brat(tat);
>>      stat(a,v);
>>    } else {
>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>    }
>>
>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>
>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>
> How does this grab you?
>
> if bar(foo) then
>     brat(tat);
>     stat(a,v);
> else
>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
> end if;

Not Pascal compliant, that's for sure.  Compiler would quit on the else 
as there is no begin for it.

As I said to Lewis, in my block I should have moved everything right a bit:

 >>>   if bar(foo) then
 >>>       begin
 >>>         brat (tat);
 >>>         stat (a,v)
 >>>       end
 >>>     else
 >>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");

So it's clear everything belongs to the if.

-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
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#57029

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-25 00:19 +0000
Message-ID<1029870320414980002.971581yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net>
In reply to#57011
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.23, 23:35 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>> On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>   if bar(foo) then
>>>>     begin
>>>>       brat (tat);
>>>>       stat (a,v)
>>>>     end
>>>>   else
>>>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>> 
>>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>> 
>>>    if bar(foo) {
>>>      brat(tat);
>>>      stat(a,v);
>>>    } else {
>>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>    }
>>> 
>>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>> 
>>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>> 
>> How does this grab you?
>> 
>> if bar(foo) then
>>     brat(tat);
>>     stat(a,v);
>> else
>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>> end if;
> 
> Not Pascal compliant, that's for sure.  Compiler would quit on the else
> as there is no begin for it.

There is life beyond Pascal, you know.  that is written in Pascal's beloved
daughter, Ada.

> 
> As I said to Lewis, in my block I should have moved everything right a bit:
> 
>>>>   if bar(foo) then
>>>>       begin
>>>>         brat (tat);
>>>>         stat (a,v)
>>>>       end
>>>>     else
>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
> 
> So it's clear everything belongs to the if.

As it is in Ada without playing about with whitespace.

-- 
Bill Findlay

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#57031

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 19:29 -0500
Message-ID<x5GdnQrGo8lDfpbOnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#57029
On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.23, 23:35 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>>     Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>    if bar(foo) then
>>>>>      begin
>>>>>        brat (tat);
>>>>>        stat (a,v)
>>>>>      end
>>>>>    else
>>>>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>
>>>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>>>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>>>
>>>>     if bar(foo) {
>>>>       brat(tat);
>>>>       stat(a,v);
>>>>     } else {
>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>     }
>>>>
>>>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>>>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>>>
>>> How does this grab you?
>>>
>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>      brat(tat);
>>>      stat(a,v);
>>> else
>>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>> end if;
>>
>> Not Pascal compliant, that's for sure.  Compiler would quit on the else
>> as there is no begin for it.
>
> There is life beyond Pascal, you know.  that is written in Pascal's beloved
> daughter, Ada.

My reply to an other post (Lewis) refers.

As I say elsewhere, I could not get the Ada compiler to actually 
install. (Or it wouldn't compile - I don't recall which).  Must try 
again. (GNAT).

>>
>> As I said to Lewis, in my block I should have moved everything right a bit:
>>
>>>>>    if bar(foo) then
>>>>>        begin
>>>>>          brat (tat);
>>>>>          stat (a,v)
>>>>>        end
>>>>>      else
>>>>>        faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>
>> So it's clear everything belongs to the if.
>
> As it is in Ada without playing about with whitespace.

I just meant in terms of sight reading the code without head-compiling.


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    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
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#57034

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-25 00:40 +0000
Message-ID<1937809039414981444.812908yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net>
In reply to#57031
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.02.23, 23:35 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>> On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
>>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>>>     Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>    if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>      begin
>>>>>>        brat (tat);
>>>>>>        stat (a,v)
>>>>>>      end
>>>>>>    else
>>>>>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>>>>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>>>> 
>>>>>     if bar(foo) {
>>>>>       brat(tat);
>>>>>       stat(a,v);
>>>>>     } else {
>>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>     }
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>>>>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>>>> 
>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>> 
>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>      brat(tat);
>>>>      stat(a,v);
>>>> else
>>>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>> end if;
>>> 
>>> Not Pascal compliant, that's for sure.  Compiler would quit on the else
>>> as there is no begin for it.
>> 
>> There is life beyond Pascal, you know.  that is written in Pascal's beloved
>> daughter, Ada.
> 
> My reply to an other post (Lewis) refers.
> 
> As I say elsewhere, I could not get the Ada compiler to actually install.
> (Or it wouldn't compile - I don't recall which).  Must try again. (GNAT).
> 
>>> 
>>> As I said to Lewis, in my block I should have moved everything right a bit:
>>> 
>>>>>>    if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>        begin
>>>>>>          brat (tat);
>>>>>>          stat (a,v)
>>>>>>        end
>>>>>>      else
>>>>>>        faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>> 
>>> So it's clear everything belongs to the if.
>> 
>> As it is in Ada without playing about with whitespace.
> 
> I just meant in terms of sight reading the code without head-compiling.
> 

Sure.  I was just emphasising that the Ada syntax had been carefully
designed to completely avoid the problems that {} languages rush into
headlong.  

-- 
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#57035

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 19:45 -0500
Message-ID<zdednamYZ4EmepbOnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#57034
On 2014.02.24, 19:40 , Bill Findlay wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.02.23, 23:35 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>> On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
>>>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>>>>      Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>     if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>>       begin
>>>>>>>         brat (tat);
>>>>>>>         stat (a,v)
>>>>>>>       end
>>>>>>>     else
>>>>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>>>>>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      if bar(foo) {
>>>>>>        brat(tat);
>>>>>>        stat(a,v);
>>>>>>      } else {
>>>>>>        faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>>      }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>>>>>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>>>
>>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>>       brat(tat);
>>>>>       stat(a,v);
>>>>> else
>>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>> end if;
>>>>
>>>> Not Pascal compliant, that's for sure.  Compiler would quit on the else
>>>> as there is no begin for it.
>>>
>>> There is life beyond Pascal, you know.  that is written in Pascal's beloved
>>> daughter, Ada.
>>
>> My reply to an other post (Lewis) refers.
>>
>> As I say elsewhere, I could not get the Ada compiler to actually install.
>> (Or it wouldn't compile - I don't recall which).  Must try again. (GNAT).
>>
>>>>
>>>> As I said to Lewis, in my block I should have moved everything right a bit:
>>>>
>>>>>>>     if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>>         begin
>>>>>>>           brat (tat);
>>>>>>>           stat (a,v)
>>>>>>>         end
>>>>>>>       else
>>>>>>>         faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>
>>>> So it's clear everything belongs to the if.
>>>
>>> As it is in Ada without playing about with whitespace.
>>
>> I just meant in terms of sight reading the code without head-compiling.
>>
>
> Sure.  I was just emphasising that the Ada syntax had been carefully
> designed to completely avoid the problems that {} languages rush into
> headlong.

Yep - as part of the course I took, all the evils of such were discussed 
at the start (mystified half the engineers/programmers there who worked 
in assembler, fortran and BASIC).

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#57038

FromBill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2014-02-25 00:57 +0000
Message-ID<31046789414982552.326960yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net>
In reply to#57035
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.24, 19:40 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.02.24, 19:19 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2014.02.23, 23:35 , Bill Findlay wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/02/2014 04:21, in article slrnlgli63.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local, "Lewis"
>>>>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>>>>>      Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>     if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>>>       begin
>>>>>>>>         brat (tat);
>>>>>>>>         stat (a,v)
>>>>>>>>       end
>>>>>>>>     else
>>>>>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>>>>>>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      if bar(foo) {
>>>>>>>        brat(tat);
>>>>>>>        stat(a,v);
>>>>>>>      } else {
>>>>>>>        faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>>>      }
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>>>>>>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How does this grab you?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>       brat(tat);
>>>>>>       stat(a,v);
>>>>>> else
>>>>>>       faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>>> end if;
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not Pascal compliant, that's for sure.  Compiler would quit on the else
>>>>> as there is no begin for it.
>>>> 
>>>> There is life beyond Pascal, you know.  that is written in Pascal's beloved
>>>> daughter, Ada.
>>> 
>>> My reply to an other post (Lewis) refers.
>>> 
>>> As I say elsewhere, I could not get the Ada compiler to actually install.
>>> (Or it wouldn't compile - I don't recall which).  Must try again. (GNAT).
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I said to Lewis, in my block I should have moved everything right a bit:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     if bar(foo) then
>>>>>>>>         begin
>>>>>>>>           brat (tat);
>>>>>>>>           stat (a,v)
>>>>>>>>         end
>>>>>>>>       else
>>>>>>>>         faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>> 
>>>>> So it's clear everything belongs to the if.
>>>> 
>>>> As it is in Ada without playing about with whitespace.
>>> 
>>> I just meant in terms of sight reading the code without head-compiling.
>>> 
>> 
>> Sure.  I was just emphasising that the Ada syntax had been carefully
>> designed to completely avoid the problems that {} languages rush into
>> headlong.
> 
> Yep - as part of the course I took, all the evils of such were discussed
> at the start (mystified half the engineers/programmers there who worked
> in assembler, fortran and BASIC).

8-)

-- 
Bill Findlay

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#56951

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-02-24 05:04 +0000
Message-ID<bn026nFe8lqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#56947
On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>  if bar(foo) then
>>    begin
>>      brat (tat);
>>      stat (a,v)
>>    end
>>  else
>>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
>
> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>
>   if bar(foo) {
>     brat(tat);
>     stat(a,v);
>   } else {
>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>   }
>
> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>
> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>
> That said, I can't stand writing in python because of its reliance of
> using white space for block control. That seems like the stupidest idea
> any language designer ever had.

White space isn't the enemy. Far from it.

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#56955

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-02-24 06:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlglo0i.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#56951
In message <bn026nFe8lqU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>  if bar(foo) then
>>>    begin
>>>      brat (tat);
>>>      stat (a,v)
>>>    end
>>>  else
>>>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>
>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>
>>   if bar(foo) {
>>     brat(tat);
>>     stat(a,v);
>>   } else {
>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>   }
>>
>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>
>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>>
>> That said, I can't stand writing in python because of its reliance of
>> using white space for block control. That seems like the stupidest idea
>> any language designer ever had.

> White space isn't the enemy. Far from it.

SIGNIFICANT white space is *an* enemy.

-- 
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T is for TITUS who flew into bits

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#56967

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-02-24 16:10 +0000
Message-ID<bn1988Fmd88U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#56955
On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <bn026nFe8lqU1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>  if bar(foo) then
>>>>    begin
>>>>      brat (tat);
>>>>      stat (a,v)
>>>>    end
>>>>  else
>>>>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>
>>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>>
>>>   if bar(foo) {
>>>     brat(tat);
>>>     stat(a,v);
>>>   } else {
>>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>   }
>>>
>>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>>
>>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>>>
>>> That said, I can't stand writing in python because of its reliance of
>>> using white space for block control. That seems like the stupidest idea
>>> any language designer ever had.
>
>> White space isn't the enemy. Far from it.
>
> SIGNIFICANT white space is *an* enemy.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your definition of
significant if it includes placing brackets on their own lines. And
that's okay. As I said earlier, getting developers to agree on minutia
is like herding cats. ; ) I'm happy we have the freedom of choice.

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#56974

FromKurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
Date2014-02-24 12:15 -0500
Message-ID<_dadnQGhF7aH45bOnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#56967
      While I have to admit to be fascinated by this, I have but one 
question. Please explain to a person whose only exposure to programming 
was a single FORTRAN class in the mid-70s, is this something I should be 
concerned about and, if so, WHEN should I be concerned about it?
-- 
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     but what they conceal is vital."
                       -- Aaron Levenstein

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