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What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer?

Started byAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
First post2014-02-23 12:19 -0500
Last post2014-02-24 19:28 -0800
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  What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 12:19 -0500
    Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 17:25 +0000
    Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-24 03:19 +0000
      Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:28 -0500
      Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-27 17:26 +0100
    Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 04:27 +0000
      Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-24 01:28 -0800
      Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-24 11:19 -0500
        Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-24 12:12 -0500
          Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-15 10:14 -0400
      Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:30 -0500
        Re: What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer? Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-02-24 19:28 -0800

#56905 — What does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer?

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-23 12:19 -0500
SubjectWhat does "QUIET ENJOYMENT" mean in a software disclaimer?
Message-ID<IbKdnQv96Y8vsJfOnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>
Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.

<s>
  * The Original Code and all software distributed under the License are
  * distributed on an 'AS IS' basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
  * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND APPLE HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES,
  * INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
  * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT.
<s>
  * @APPLE_LICENSE_HEADER_END@

http://opensource.apple.com/source/Security/Security-55471/libsecurity_ssl/lib/sslKeyExchange.c

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#56907

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-02-23 17:25 +0000
Message-ID<bmup7lF5utbU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#56905
On 2014-02-23, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.
>
><s>
>   * The Original Code and all software distributed under the License are
>   * distributed on an 'AS IS' basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
>   * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND APPLE HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES,
>   * INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
>   * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT.
><s>
>   * @APPLE_LICENSE_HEADER_END@
>
> http://opensource.apple.com/source/Security/Security-55471/libsecurity_ssl/lib/sslKeyExchange.c
>

Cute. : D

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#56940

Fromme@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
Date2014-02-24 03:19 +0000
Message-ID<leedoc$1kk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56905
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.

It means that if their software makes you scream, you still can't sue 
them.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#57004

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 17:28 -0500
Message-ID<dsudnSbCO_HrWpbOnZ2dnUVZ8i4AAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#56940
On 2014.02.23, 22:19 , Király wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.
>
> It means that if their software makes you scream, you still can't sue
> them.


Of course!


-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#57171

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-02-27 17:26 +0100
Message-ID<0j54ua-5pi1.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#56940
On 2014-02-24, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.
>
> It means that if their software makes you scream, you still can't sue 
> them.

:-)

Oh.  I thought it meant that they won't take responsibility for the 
passenger next to you on the train/plane/bus playing their iThing too
loud.

Or singing off key to the music they are listening to.  :-)

-- 
Paul Sture

How many Linux users does it take to change a lightbulb? 20. 1 to change it
and 19 others to install new sockets do it their own way.

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#56949

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-02-24 04:27 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlgligk.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#56905
In message <IbKdnQv96Y8vsJfOnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.

> <s>
>   * The Original Code and all software distributed under the License are
>   * distributed on an 'AS IS' basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
>   * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND APPLE HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES,
>   * INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
>   * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT.
> <s>
>   * @APPLE_LICENSE_HEADER_END@

> http://opensource.apple.com/source/Security/Security-55471/libsecurity_ssl/lib/sslKeyExchange.c

It's one of those weird bits of legalese.

<http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Quiet+enjoyment>

-- 
"He is a self-made man and worships his creator." - John Bright

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#56959

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2014-02-24 01:28 -0800
Message-ID<lef3am$n7t$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56949
In article <slrnlgligk.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <IbKdnQv96Y8vsJfOnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.
> 
> > <s>
> >   * The Original Code and all software distributed under the License are
> >   * distributed on an 'AS IS' basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
> >   * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND APPLE HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES,
> >   * INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
> >   * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT.
> > <s>
> >   * @APPLE_LICENSE_HEADER_END@
> 
> > http://opensource.apple.com/source/Security/Security-55471/libsecurity_ssl/l
> > ib/sslKeyExchange.c
> 
> It's one of those weird bits of legalese.

You say that as though you think there's such a thing as "not weird" 
legalese...

> 
> <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Quiet+enjoyment>

-- 
Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q

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#56970

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2014-02-24 11:19 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-7C9A20.11190124022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56949
In article <slrnlgligk.fcb.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <IbKdnQv96Y8vsJfOnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.
> 
> > <s>
> >   * The Original Code and all software distributed under the License are
> >   * distributed on an 'AS IS' basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
> >   * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND APPLE HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES,
> >   * INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
> >   * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT.
> > <s>
> >   * @APPLE_LICENSE_HEADER_END@
> 
> > http://opensource.apple.com/source/Security/Security-55471/libsecurity_ssl/l
> > ib/sslKeyExchange.c
> 
> It's one of those weird bits of legalese.
> 
> <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Quiet+enjoyment>

It's especially weird to use it in a software license, since that 
definition refers specifically to use of real estate. They're 
disclaiming a warranty of quiet enjoyment, but it seems like there 
wouldn't be an implied covenant of it in the first place.

I guess it's just some boilerplate that lawyers throw into all their 
licenses. Presumably there's no harm in disclaiming something that 
wasn't assumed.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#56973

FromKurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
Date2014-02-24 12:12 -0500
Message-ID<_dadnQahF7YJ4JbOnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#56970
In article <barmar-7C9A20.11190124022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> 
> I guess it's just some boilerplate that lawyers throw into all their 
> licenses. Presumably there's no harm in disclaiming something that 
> wasn't assumed.

I am convinced that some lawyers are paid by the word.  That is the only 
reason I can find for some of the more convoluted requirements of 
hospital privacy policies....
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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#58553

FromWalter Bushell <proto@panix.com>
Date2014-04-15 10:14 -0400
Message-ID<proto-76E008.10142215042014@news.panix.com>
In reply to#56973
In article <_dadnQahF7YJ4JbOnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <barmar-7C9A20.11190124022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I guess it's just some boilerplate that lawyers throw into all their 
> > licenses. Presumably there's no harm in disclaiming something that 
> > wasn't assumed.
> 
> I am convinced that some lawyers are paid by the word.  That is the only 
> reason I can find for some of the more convoluted requirements of 
> hospital privacy policies....

They don't want the victim to understand what they are signing, and if 
you need medical care now, it's tough to get a lawyer to go over it in 
real time.

-- 
Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.

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#57006

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-24 17:30 -0500
Message-ID<gvadnaTPDuVuWpbOnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#56949
On 2014.02.23, 23:27 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <IbKdnQv96Y8vsJfOnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.
>
>> <s>
>>    * The Original Code and all software distributed under the License are
>>    * distributed on an 'AS IS' basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
>>    * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND APPLE HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES,
>>    * INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
>>    * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT.
>> <s>
>>    * @APPLE_LICENSE_HEADER_END@
>
>> http://opensource.apple.com/source/Security/Security-55471/libsecurity_ssl/lib/sslKeyExchange.c
>
> It's one of those weird bits of legalese.
>
> <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Quiet+enjoyment>

Clearly boilerplate, but I'm wondering who in their right mind would add 
it to a source code disclaimer.

-- 
    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#57045

FromMartin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid>
Date2014-02-24 19:28 -0800
Message-ID<mybnxv7tvx.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
In reply to#57006
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes:

> On 2014.02.23, 23:27 , Lewis wrote:
> > In message <IbKdnQv96Y8vsJfOnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>
> >    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Just curious - sounds a bit bizarre to me.
> >
> >> <s>
> >>    * The Original Code and all software distributed under the License are
> >>    * distributed on an 'AS IS' basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
> >>    * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AND APPLE HEREBY DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES,
> >>    * INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
> >>    * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUIET ENJOYMENT OR NON-INFRINGEMENT.
> >> <s>
> >>    * @APPLE_LICENSE_HEADER_END@
> >
> >> http://opensource.apple.com/source/Security/Security-55471/libsecurity_ssl/lib/sslKeyExchange.c
> >
> > It's one of those weird bits of legalese.
> >
> > <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Quiet+enjoyment>
> 
> Clearly boilerplate, but I'm wondering who in their right mind would add 
> it to a source code disclaimer.

Duh!  The folks that got sued on that basis.

Martin

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