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  Can't Eject a Volume nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid (Nick Naym) - 2014-02-18 14:32 -0500
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 14:48 -0500
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-18 19:52 +0000
      Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-02-22 12:05 -0800
        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:25 +0000
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-02-22 21:03 -0800
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-18 20:13 +0000
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 20:18 +0000
      Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:13 +0000
        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 21:07 +0000
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-20 21:52 +0000
            Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 06:27 -0500
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 16:53 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 13:07 -0500
                  Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 12:38 -0500
                    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:24 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-21 22:51 +0000
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-21 01:35 +0000
            Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 06:27 -0500
            Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 17:02 +0000
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-21 17:10 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 17:21 +0000
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 13:07 -0500
              Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 13:07 -0500
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 19:14 +0000
                  Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-21 14:49 -0500
                    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-21 22:13 +0000
                      Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 00:29 -0500
                        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-02-25 16:49 +1100
                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-21 18:28 -0500
                  Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 00:29 -0500
                    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 10:02 -0500
                      Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 10:22 -0500
                        Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 17:01 +0000
                          Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 12:13 -0500
                            Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 17:16 +0000
                              Re: Can't Eject a Volume Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 12:34 -0500
                                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:23 +0000
                                Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 21:46 +0000
                                  Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:53 +0000
                      Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 17:00 +0000
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2014-02-18 20:37 -0500
      Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 02:13 +0000
        Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 21:42 -0500
          Re: Can't Eject a Volume Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-19 04:21 +0000
            Re: Can't Eject a Volume nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-18 23:35 -0500
    Re: Can't Eject a Volume Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-20 15:13 +0000

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#56854

On 2014-02-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <-9KdnQ05Sfk3QpXOnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> I do use Safari to watch Netflix now as Chrome doesn't play perfect with 
>> Netflix for some content.  (I pipe the Mac to the Apple TV to the big 
>> screen and use the Apple keyboard and mouse (bluetooth) to control the 
>> mac from that room.  Kinda nifty really).
>
> You use you mac to watch netflix that you send to your appletv?
>
> Why not use netflix on the AppleTV?

That does seem strange. Maybe he meant something else? 

In my house, we use an AppleTV to watch Netflix in the living room, but
have an old Mac mini connected to an LCD display in another room, and
watch Netflix through a web browser there. 

Netflix and ISPs have largely failed to manage Netflix throughput
properly (which has gotten much worse during the past year or so here).
Also, Netflix's idea of "choice" content is pretty dismal. We've been
considering getting rid of Netflix altogether lately. 

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#56827

In message <JLSdnQC9T8meIZXOnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.22, 00:29 , nospam wrote:
>> In article <frydnZ7hS4i0fJrOnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>> To expand on this, force quitting an application can cause any file that
>>>>> the application currently has open to become corrupt, since it does not
>>>>> give the application a chance to finish updating the file in question
>>>>> and close it before quitting. Applications may have their own preference
>>>>> files open, or other files on your startup volume. If an application's
>>>>> preference file becomes malformed or corrupt, it can cause the
>>>>> application in question to behave in unpredictable ways on subsequent
>>>>> launches.
>>>>
>>>> that's possible, but very unlikely because files are written atomically.
>>>>
>>>> you might lose changes you made since the last save, but that's about
>>>> it. it's extremely unlikely that anything will be corrupted.
>>>
>>> I have to agree with J-R although we don't usually agree on very much.
>>>
>>> Apps only do as the programmer programmed.  I've written apps where
>>> files remain open for weeks - that includes random access read/writeable
>>> files (simple flat databases, if you will).  Certainly data recorders
>>> with files open for hours or even days at a time.  No ill came from it
>>> (DOS, Windows).
>>
>> lots of apps leave files open. that is not the problem.
>>
>> the issue is what happens on a force-quit and almost always, the only
>> data that is lost is anything changed since the last save.

> What I wrote was in reply your claim:
> "... very unlikely because files are written atomically."

> Some are.  Some are not.  lsof your system disk with some general apps 
> open.  Oops.  Correction: many are not.

It's funny how wrong he is, considering he never admits it.


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#56686

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<1lh9o11.jdr30za7497aN%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, Nick
Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> I have a 2TB WD "My Book Essential" (read that as "cheap piece of crap")
> external drive on which I created two 1TB partitions. Initially, I used
> one simply as a place to store selected (drag & dropped) folders from my
> internal drive; the other for a SuperDuper clone. I got the thing a
> couple of years ago when my previous iMac's HD was failing, simply to
> have an additional (to my TM and clone backups on two external LaCie d2
> Quadras) backup.
> 
> Recently, I erased the one that contained the dragged & dropped folders
> and used it to create a second SuperDuper clone.
> 
> When I plug the drive in (that's right, there's no on/off switch...you
> turn it on/off by plugging/un[plugging it into the AC), both volumes
> appear on the desktop, and both can be accessed. Oddly, however,
> virtually any time I attempt to unmount/eject the volumes, the one
> containing the second SuperDuper clone refuses to eject: I receive the
> alert "The disk [name of volume] wasn't ejected because one or more
> programs may be using it." Besides Finder, nothing is running, and Disk
> Utility can't find any problems.The only way I can unmount/eject it is
> by force-ejection or by shutting down my iMac and unplugging the drive.
> 
> Any ideas?

The problem is likely because Spotlight is busy indexing the disk. Go
to Spotlight's Privacy settings and exclude that disk.

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#56689

On 2014-02-19, M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:
> In article
><1lh9o11.jdr30za7497aN%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, Nick
> Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2TB WD "My Book Essential" (read that as "cheap piece of crap")
>> external drive on which I created two 1TB partitions. Initially, I used
>> one simply as a place to store selected (drag & dropped) folders from my
>> internal drive; the other for a SuperDuper clone. I got the thing a
>> couple of years ago when my previous iMac's HD was failing, simply to
>> have an additional (to my TM and clone backups on two external LaCie d2
>> Quadras) backup.
>> 
>> Recently, I erased the one that contained the dragged & dropped folders
>> and used it to create a second SuperDuper clone.
>> 
>> When I plug the drive in (that's right, there's no on/off switch...you
>> turn it on/off by plugging/un[plugging it into the AC), both volumes
>> appear on the desktop, and both can be accessed. Oddly, however,
>> virtually any time I attempt to unmount/eject the volumes, the one
>> containing the second SuperDuper clone refuses to eject: I receive the
>> alert "The disk [name of volume] wasn't ejected because one or more
>> programs may be using it." Besides Finder, nothing is running, and Disk
>> Utility can't find any problems.The only way I can unmount/eject it is
>> by force-ejection or by shutting down my iMac and unplugging the drive.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>
> The problem is likely because Spotlight is busy indexing the disk. Go
> to Spotlight's Privacy settings and exclude that disk.

Save yourself some mystery and potential time, and don't bother doing
this until you use the lsof command to see what's using it. It's best to
know what the problem is *before* you try to fix it. ; )

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#56693

In article <bmiiacFi6mfU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > The problem is likely because Spotlight is busy indexing the disk. Go
> > to Spotlight's Privacy settings and exclude that disk.
> 
> Save yourself some mystery and potential time, and don't bother doing
> this until you use the lsof command to see what's using it. It's best to
> know what the problem is *before* you try to fix it. ; )

it's very likely it's spotlight and if turning it off fixes it, then
that's what the problem was. plus, spotlight should be off for a
superduper clone anyway.

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#56700

On 2014-02-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <bmiiacFi6mfU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > The problem is likely because Spotlight is busy indexing the disk. Go
>> > to Spotlight's Privacy settings and exclude that disk.
>> 
>> Save yourself some mystery and potential time, and don't bother doing
>> this until you use the lsof command to see what's using it. It's best to
>> know what the problem is *before* you try to fix it. ; )
>
> it's very likely it's spotlight and if turning it off fixes it, then
> that's what the problem was. plus, spotlight should be off for a
> superduper clone anyway.

LOL! You really are a fuck tard. You yourself suggested running lsof in
a reply in this very thread. The only reason you're popping your head
out of your ass now is to start yet another pointless argument because
you have a hard stick up your ass for me since I call you out on your
stupid weasel games time and again. If you think that's not crystal
clear for anyone with an IQ greater than a watermelon to see, you're
just plain fucking delusional. Idiot. Anyway, feel free to carry on your
pathetic argument on your own, because I won't be participating past
this point. Enjoy, loser!

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#56703

In article <bmipquFjsegU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > The problem is likely because Spotlight is busy indexing the disk. Go
> >> > to Spotlight's Privacy settings and exclude that disk.
> >> 
> >> Save yourself some mystery and potential time, and don't bother doing
> >> this until you use the lsof command to see what's using it. It's best to
> >> know what the problem is *before* you try to fix it. ; )
> >
> > it's very likely it's spotlight and if turning it off fixes it, then
> > that's what the problem was. plus, spotlight should be off for a
> > superduper clone anyway.
> 
> LOL! You really are a fuck tard. You yourself suggested running lsof in
> a reply in this very thread. 

yes i did, but i also didn't think about spotlight, which is almost
certainly the cause.

> The only reason you're popping your head
> out of your ass now is to start yet another pointless argument because
> you have a hard stick up your ass for me since I call you out on your
> stupid weasel games time and again.

don't flatter yourself. i don't give a flying fuck what you do. 

my reason for posting was to help the original poster, but then you
decided to turn this into a flame fest and demonstrate just how much of
utter an asshole you can be.

it's a lot easier to turn off spotlight and see if it fixes the problem
rather than wade through the output of lsof, but if that doesn't solve
the problem, then use lsof.

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#56748

In message <1lh9o11.jdr30za7497aN%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> 
  Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> When I plug the drive in (that's right, there's no on/off switch...you
> turn it on/off by plugging/un[plugging it into the AC), both volumes
> appear on the desktop, and both can be accessed. Oddly, however,
> virtually any time I attempt to unmount/eject the volumes, the one
> containing the second SuperDuper clone refuses to eject: I receive the
> alert "The disk [name of volume] wasn't ejected because one or more
> programs may be using it." Besides Finder, nothing is running, and Disk
> Utility can't find any problems.The only way I can unmount/eject it is
> by force-ejection or by shutting down my iMac and unplugging the drive.

When this happens, open up Terminal.app

lsof /Volumes/Drivename

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