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Newsreaders

Started byMichelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org>
First post2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Last post2014-02-09 17:41 -0700
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  Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-16 15:20 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 10:09 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 13:20 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 14:04 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:10 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 14:35 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:39 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 15:30 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:35 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-27 22:10 -0400
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:59 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:37 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:16 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:38 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:49 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 18:59 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:01 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 02:59 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:50 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 04:16 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:36 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:34 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:04 +1300
            Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:18 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:34 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:48 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 21:50 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:57 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 16:04 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 23:24 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 12:41 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 15:51 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:28 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:55 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 17:01 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:53 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:27 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 04:50 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:04 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-10-30 12:11 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:27 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:56 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 19:28 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:56 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:07 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:29 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 16:01 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 21:37 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 14:17 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:20 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:01 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:27 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 21:25 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:41 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-29 00:36 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 05:00 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:14 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 13:42 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:49 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 22:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 13:56 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 14:24 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:19 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:30 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 17:37 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 23:00 +0100
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 18:36 -0400
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:32 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-01 10:39 -0500
                                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-02 10:00 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-01 16:43 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 11:02 -0400
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 16:23 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 10:41 -0500
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 17:09 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 11:02 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:34 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:13 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:14 -0700
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 14:08 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:33 +0000
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 19:26 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:32 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:06 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 07:45 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:48 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-30 13:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 15:05 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 13:00 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:36 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 13:18 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:09 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 20:51 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:29 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 22:07 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 12:07 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 11:17 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 11:40 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 16:12 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! billy@MIX.COM - 2013-10-31 16:42 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders =?UTF-8?Q?=21=C2=A1=21?= Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 16:41 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡!? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 11:55 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-11-02 13:22 +1100
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 05:41 +0100
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 14:23 +0100
                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 13:48 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 10:58 -0500
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:58 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:49 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:49 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 17:08 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 13:21 -0500
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:27 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:47 -0400
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:54 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 23:01 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 23:16 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:36 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 21:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:33 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 18:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 20:48 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:54 -0400
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 21:19 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-04 12:20 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:25 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 04:39 -0400
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 19:13 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 03:43 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 00:53 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:14 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-08 16:28 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-09 04:13 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-10 08:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-11 09:02 +0100
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:52 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:56 -0800
                                                  Re: Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-12 09:00 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:54 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 09:21 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-12 14:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:52 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-12 14:27 -0800
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-12 17:04 -0600
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 05:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:15 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-14 12:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:38 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:32 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:41 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:02 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:00 -0500
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-17 17:14 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-11 22:37 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 13:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 03:59 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 19:31 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:37 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-12 21:47 -0600
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 16:58 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:37 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-14 09:24 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:23 -0600
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 13:18 +1300
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 06:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:34 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Martin Trautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 05:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-16 11:07 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 08:26 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 19:40 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 00:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 13:36 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 02:59 +1300
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:11 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 11:49 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-14 02:03 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:30 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 05:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-15 18:23 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:36 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:54 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 21:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 04:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 13:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:19 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 07:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 17:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-15 12:21 -0800
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:32 -0600
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:30 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-15 13:26 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 22:09 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:48 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 03:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 07:59 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:54 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:04 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:21 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:09 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-11-16 13:33 -0600
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:47 +0100
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:36 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:49 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-18 06:52 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-16 07:58 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:50 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 11:10 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:50 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 17:48 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:40 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 05:37 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-17 15:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 16:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:16 +1300
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:09 +1300
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:23 +0100
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:27 +1300
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¬°! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 15:44 +1300
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 18:02 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:45 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:51 +0000
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:59 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:53 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-02 14:02 -0700
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-02 21:11 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 21:32 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-03 00:50 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:55 +0100
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:07 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:23 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:07 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 18:31 -0700
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:10 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:50 -0700
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 16:12 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:42 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:13 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:48 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:43 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:30 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-03 12:48 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:37 -0800
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:05 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:39 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-04 02:01 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:05 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:33 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 10:12 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:15 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:01 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-08 00:49 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-07 18:42 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:12 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 15:21 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 18:09 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:48 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 20:51 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-02-28 12:19 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 01:40 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:50 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:26 +0200
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 17:31 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:44 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 02:01 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 10:00 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:27 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:51 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 18:55 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:28 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:40 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 04:34 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:04 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:33 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-08 06:28 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 14:28 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:57 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-08 19:02 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 19:29 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-09 12:50 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-09 13:21 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:06 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:35 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 18:49 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:11 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 22:31 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-09 23:46 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:33 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:46 -0700
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:49 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 22:03 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 14:04 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:48 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-10 15:10 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:44 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 13:43 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-11 00:29 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 20:01 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 20:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-14 12:20 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 18:40 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 23:45 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-14 17:16 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-14 12:11 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:50 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 16:19 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:53 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 10:22 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 10:27 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 15:24 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 23:47 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:21 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-09 11:22 -0600
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 22:23 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:08 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:37 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:59 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 06:40 +1100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:01 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:40 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:40 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 22:45 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 22:07 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:38 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 16:58 +1100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:06 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 17:02 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 16:28 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:30 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:30 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 04:44 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 23:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:15 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-13 13:52 -0600
                            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:33 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-16 08:23 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:58 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-16 15:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-11 23:40 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:32 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 05:02 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:46 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:40 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 20:29 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 11:30 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:08 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 13:32 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:35 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:19 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:20 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:16 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:25 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:46 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:52 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:57 -0600
                                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 01:41 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-15 11:36 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-15 20:23 +0100
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:05 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:31 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-15 13:33 -0600
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:51 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-16 12:28 -0600
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:33 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-17 17:42 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 20:54 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:01 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-17 02:59 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:38 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:26 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:14 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-14 17:04 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:55 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:29 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:26 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 22:33 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:51 -0500
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:49 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:41 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:37 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:24 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:11 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:27 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:53 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:11 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 20:04 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:05 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:17 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:18 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 12:41 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:55 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:58 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:47 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-12 02:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 18:31 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 11:39 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 19:02 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 11:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 19:11 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:50 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:32 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-14 17:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 19:10 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-25 09:50 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-25 21:08 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Michael Breslau <mbreslau@speakeasy.org> - 2014-02-26 08:03 -0800
                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-26 20:12 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:41 -0700

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#51045

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
Message-ID<l4lqmt$nmb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#51044
On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> I asked Brian about that very thing.  He said timed gathering of new
>> posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it.  From his
>> answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will.
> 
> Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some
> things better than MT-NW.

Very true.  I remember back in the day, that I was looking for a good 
usenet client.  Looked at MTNW and Thoth among many, decided Thoth was 
better even though not free.

Somewhere in OSX upgrades, the version of Thoth I had wouldn't work and 
I was a little irritated for whatever reason at the time, and switched 
to MTNW.

> 
>> Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the
>> end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be.  His
>> position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with
>> the various comments in the original posting.  Personally I don't agree
>> with that as default, but that's the way it is.
> 
> Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think
> stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more
> irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end.

I agree, it would be a nice option to have.  With small messages, I 
generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority.  For 
larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline.

-- 
Lloyd

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#51093

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
Message-ID<291020130909161877%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#51045
In article <l4lqmt$nmb$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said:
> 
> > In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
> > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I asked Brian about that very thing.  He said timed gathering of new
> >> posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it.  From his
> >> answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will.
> > 
> > Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some
> > things better than MT-NW.
> 
> Very true.  I remember back in the day, that I was looking for a good 
> usenet client.  Looked at MTNW and Thoth among many, decided Thoth was 
> better even though not free.
> 
> Somewhere in OSX upgrades, the version of Thoth I had wouldn't work and 
> I was a little irritated for whatever reason at the time, and switched 
> to MTNW.
> 
> > 
> >> Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the
> >> end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be.  His
> >> position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with
> >> the various comments in the original posting.  Personally I don't agree
> >> with that as default, but that's the way it is.
> > 
> > Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think
> > stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more
> > irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end.
> 
> I agree, it would be a nice option to have.  With small messages, I 
> generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority.  For 
> larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline.

In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
and your new message only quotes the selected text.

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#51100

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Message-ID<l4mibf$h8n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#51093
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> 
> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
> and your new message only quotes the selected text.

In other words, like any decent e-mail program?
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#51166

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-10-29 09:53 +0100
Message-ID<l4nt21$31e$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#51093
On 28.10.2013 21:09, Your Name wrote:
> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
> and your new message only quotes the selected text.

Wow! that is really cool ;-)

Hmm, but not really new! every decent reader does it.

βմէ էհօէհ çąղ'է հąղժӀҽ մղìçօժҽ...
էհąէ ìʂ ղօէ ąççҽքէąҍӀҽ ìղ էհҽ ϩl ʂէ çҽղէմɾվ.

Regards

-- 
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#51245

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-10-30 10:27 +1300
Message-ID<1lbjubs.19zin931mkt3kqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#51166
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 28.10.2013 21:09, Your Name wrote:
> > In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
> > and your new message only quotes the selected text.
> 
> Wow! that is really cool ;-)
> 
> Hmm, but not really new! every decent reader does it.
> 
> ??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????.
> 
> Regards

MacSOUP and Apple Mail do. I don't remember about Eudora which I used as
well for email many years ago.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#51294

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-10-30 04:50 +0100
Message-ID<l4pvmm$d1r$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#51245
On 29.10.2013 22:27, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28.10.2013 21:09, Your Name wrote:
>>> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
>>> and your new message only quotes the selected text.
>>
>> Wow! that is really cool ;-)
>>
>> Hmm, but not really new! every decent reader does it.
>>
>> ??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
>> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????.
>>
>> Regards
>
> MacSOUP and Apple Mail do. I don't remember about Eudora which I used as
> well for email many years ago.
>
Dear Jamie,
I did not post that:
"??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????."
but
"But thoth can't handle unicode...
that is not acceptable in the 21 st century. "
written in non-ascii unicode.
Apparently your MacSOUP is badly distorting unicode characters also.

-- 
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#51319

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
Message-ID<1lbkpof.uitz9d1rnut8bN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#51294
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 29.10.2013 22:27, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> > Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 28.10.2013 21:09, Your Name wrote:
> >>> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
> >>> and your new message only quotes the selected text.
> >>
> >> Wow! that is really cool ;-)
> >>
> >> Hmm, but not really new! every decent reader does it.
> >>
> >> ??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
> >> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >
> > MacSOUP and Apple Mail do. I don't remember about Eudora which I used as
> > well for email many years ago.
> >
> Dear Jamie,
> I did not post that:
> "??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????."
> but
> "But thoth can't handle unicode...
> that is not acceptable in the 21 st century. "
> written in non-ascii unicode.
> Apparently your MacSOUP is badly distorting unicode characters also.

I'm only seeing a lot of ???'s, yeah. But in English language groups
Unicode isn't necessary, nor completely supported by older clients many
still use, not just MacSOUP. Really it's best to simply use one of the
standard western roman encodings that everyone's apps can decode.
Unicode hasn't such wonderful benefits anyone needs it in plain text
only groups. How many additional chracters and scripts does one need in
plain English text? Not _that_ many I reckon. It's nice, but completely
unecessary :-)

Of course it would be nice if everything had full Unicode support. But
it's reality we must deal with :-)
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#51322

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-10-30 13:04 +0100
Message-ID<l4qsjt$e87$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#51319
On 30.10.2013 10:01, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 29.10.2013 22:27, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>>> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28.10.2013 21:09, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
>>>>> and your new message only quotes the selected text.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! that is really cool ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, but not really new! every decent reader does it.
>>>>
>>>> ??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
>>>> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>
>>> MacSOUP and Apple Mail do. I don't remember about Eudora which I used as
>>> well for email many years ago.
>>>
>> Dear Jamie,
>> I did not post that:
>> "??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
>> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????."
>> but
>> "But thoth can't handle unicode...
>> that is not acceptable in the 21 st century. "
>> written in non-ascii unicode.
>> Apparently your MacSOUP is badly distorting unicode characters also.
>
> I'm only seeing a lot of ???'s, yeah. But in English language groups
> Unicode isn't necessary, nor completely supported by older clients many
> still use, not just MacSOUP. Really it's best to simply use one of the
> standard western roman encodings that everyone's apps can decode.
> Unicode hasn't such wonderful benefits anyone needs it in plain text
> only groups. How many additional chracters and scripts does one need in
> plain English text? Not _that_ many I reckon. It's nice, but completely
> unecessary :-)
>
> Of course it would be nice if everything had full Unicode support. But
> it's reality we must deal with :-)
>
It's just required by RFC 3977:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#page-105

"   This specification extends NNTP from US-ASCII [ANSI1986] to UTF-8
[RFC3629].  Except in the two areas discussed below, UTF-8 (which is
a superset of US-ASCII) is mandatory, and implementations MUST NOT
use any other encoding. "



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#51323

FromRichard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk>
Date2013-10-30 12:11 +0000
Message-ID<878uxbyn3o.fsf@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>
In reply to#51322
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> writes:
> On 30.10.2013 10:01, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

>> Of course it would be nice if everything had full Unicode support. But
>> it's reality we must deal with :-)
>
> It's just required by RFC 3977:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#page-105
>
> "   This specification extends NNTP from US-ASCII [ANSI1986] to UTF-8
> [RFC3629].  Except in the two areas discussed below, UTF-8 (which is
> a superset of US-ASCII) is mandatory, and implementations MUST NOT
> use any other encoding. "

I don’t think that’s intended to require UTF-8 in articles, since 3977
specifies a transfer protocol, not the article format.  See also the
bullet further down about the character set of articles.

The real source of the (sometimes unmet) requirement for UTF-8 support
in newsreaders is simply that people are posting using it.  It’s one of
the top encodings, within the sample of Usenet I that monitor:

  http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/spoolstats/charsets.html

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#51325

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-10-30 13:27 +0100
Message-ID<l4qu0e$j2k$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#51323
On 30.10.2013 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> I don’t think that’s intended to require UTF-8 in articles,

Full Ack! But the Usenet reader should decodeUTF-8 articles correctly 
and -eve more important- to quote them correctly.
If -like MacSOUP it returns tons of ???, that might be unequivocal and 
will immediately be understood as an expression of its inability to 
decode, but "good old" MTNW and its half clone Thoth just returns 
*something else instead* and then it is a clear violation of RFC rules!

By the way: you are allowed to listen to FM-Radio in Mono as well...

-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#51380

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-10-31 08:56 +1300
Message-ID<1lblkq4.fttkt1v7eazmN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#51322
Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 30.10.2013 10:01, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> > Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 29.10.2013 22:27, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> >>> Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 28.10.2013 21:09, Your Name wrote:
> >>>>> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
> >>>>> and your new message only quotes the selected text.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wow! that is really cool ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Hmm, but not really new! every decent reader does it.
> >>>>
> >>>> ??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
> >>>> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> MacSOUP and Apple Mail do. I don't remember about Eudora which I used as
> >>> well for email many years ago.
> >>>
> >> Dear Jamie,
> >> I did not post that:
> >> "??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
> >> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????."
> >> but
> >> "But thoth can't handle unicode...
> >> that is not acceptable in the 21 st century. "
> >> written in non-ascii unicode.
> >> Apparently your MacSOUP is badly distorting unicode characters also.
> >
> > I'm only seeing a lot of ???'s, yeah. But in English language groups
> > Unicode isn't necessary, nor completely supported by older clients many
> > still use, not just MacSOUP. Really it's best to simply use one of the
> > standard western roman encodings that everyone's apps can decode.
> > Unicode hasn't such wonderful benefits anyone needs it in plain text
> > only groups. How many additional chracters and scripts does one need in
> > plain English text? Not _that_ many I reckon. It's nice, but completely
> > unecessary :-)
> >
> > Of course it would be nice if everything had full Unicode support. But
> > it's reality we must deal with :-)
> >
> It's just required by RFC 3977:
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#page-105
> 
> "   This specification extends NNTP from US-ASCII [ANSI1986] to UTF-8
> [RFC3629].  Except in the two areas discussed below, UTF-8 (which is
> a superset of US-ASCII) is mandatory, and implementations MUST NOT
> use any other encoding. "

Heh, well I'll stick with what always works over what doesn't always
work, for now. I want others to always be able to read my posts. That's
more important to me than following standards and guidelines.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52412

From"D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com>
Date2013-11-17 19:28 -0500
Message-ID<dfmanno-36C55B.19283117112013@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#51294
In article <l4pvmm$d1r$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:

> On 29.10.2013 22:27, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> > Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
> >> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????.
> >
> > MacSOUP and Apple Mail do. I don't remember about Eudora which I used as
> > well for email many years ago.
>
> Dear Jamie,
> I did not post that:
> "??? ????? ç??'? ?????? ??ìç???...
> ???? ì? ??? ?çç??????? ì? ??? ?l ?? ç??????."
> but
> "But thoth can't handle unicode...
> that is not acceptable in the 21 st century. "
> written in non-ascii unicode.
> Apparently your MacSOUP is badly distorting unicode characters also.

Not just MacSOUP. I got gibberish in MT-NW.

-- 
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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#51167

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com>
Date2013-10-29 09:56 +0100
Message-ID<l4nt8k$3sn$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#51045
On 28.10.2013 15:01, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>> Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think
>> stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more
>> irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end.
>
> I agree, it would be a nice option to have.  With small messages, I
> generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority.  For
> larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline.

Can't you just hide all quotes with a single click?
I miss it in TB as well, but PAN has it, and it is really useful.


-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#50991

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6rf9a.p2q.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#50975
In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?

Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
he could steal from.


-- 
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abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order,
because it is better organized.

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#50998

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
Message-ID<l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#50991
On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> 
> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> he could steal from.

Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
-- 
Lloyd

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#51001

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6rhud.rkg.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#50998
In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> 
  Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:

>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
>> 
>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
>> he could steal from.

> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.

I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?

He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
issue.

-- 
"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to
those of us who do." - Isaac Asimov

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#51011

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
Message-ID<l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#51001
On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
>>> 
>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
>>> he could steal from.
> 
>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> 
> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?

The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
take all the shots again?

I don't think so.

> 
> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> issue.

True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
about the personality or lack of, of the developer?

-- 
Lloyd

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#51014

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#51011
In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
  Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:

>> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
>>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
>> 
>>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
>>>> 
>>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
>>>> he could steal from.
>> 
>>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
>> 
>> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
>> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?

> The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
> we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
> take all the shots again?

> I don't think so.

>> 
>> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
>> issue.

> True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> about the personality or lack of, of the developer?

When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
support one might get, it matters quite a lot.

When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.

The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.

-- 
a vital ingredient of success is not knowing that what you're attempting
can't be done. A person ignorant of the possibility of failure can be a
half-brick in the path of the bicycle of history.

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#51017

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
Message-ID<1lbgo7j.5ek8cfhnma19N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#51014
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
> >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> >> 
> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> >>>> he could steal from.
> >> 
> >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> >> 
> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
> 
> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do
> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to
> > take all the shots again?
> 
> > I don't think so.
> 
> >> 
> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> >> issue.
> 
> > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
> 
> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
> support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
> 
> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
> 
> The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
> aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
> issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
> uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
> pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.

Brian is a flake, that much is for sure. I don't like paying for
shareware that might suddenly end up unsupported because the dev has a
tantrum. Regardless Thoth isn't a bad client - in fact it's quite a good
one, and in the final analysis has easily been worth the price for
anyone who paid. It just comes from a bad developer who does himself no
favours.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#51040

FromLloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
Message-ID<281020130817584031%lloydp21@live.com>
In reply to#51017
In article <1lbgo7j.5ek8cfhnma19N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
> >   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
> > 
> > >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
> > >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> > >> 
> > >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
> > >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly
> > >>>>> (in,
> > >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> > >>>> he could steal from.
> > >> 
> > >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> > >> 
> > >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> > >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
> > 
> > > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do
> > > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to
> > > take all the shots again?
> > 
> > > I don't think so.
> > 
> > >> 
> > >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> > >> issue.
> > 
> > > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> > > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
> > 
> > When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
> > support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
> > 
> > When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
> > deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
> > 
> > The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
> > aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
> > issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
> > uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
> > pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.
> 
> Brian is a flake, that much is for sure. I don't like paying for
> shareware that might suddenly end up unsupported because the dev has a
> tantrum. Regardless Thoth isn't a bad client - in fact it's quite a good
> one, and in the final analysis has easily been worth the price for
> anyone who paid. It just comes from a bad developer who does himself no
> favours.

And I would fully agree with that assessment!  It is a great usenet
client produced by a guy that has managed to piss off a lot of people
along the way!

-- 
Lloyd

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