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Malware help and skepticism

Started bySalmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net>
First post2014-01-30 21:44 -0800
Last post2014-02-01 10:30 -0500
Articles 20 on this page of 269 — 28 participants

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  Malware help and skepticism Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-01-30 21:44 -0800
    Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 19:35 +1300
    Re: Malware help and skepticism Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 22:46 -0800
    Re: Malware help and skepticism nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 02:11 -0500
      Re: Malware help and skepticism Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-01-31 09:34 -0800
        Re: Malware help and skepticism nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 13:22 -0500
        Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-01 09:57 +1300
    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 12:48 +0000
      Re: Malware help and skepticism "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-01-31 22:23 +0000
        Re: Malware help and skepticism Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-31 20:39 -0500
          Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 15:07 +0000
          Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 17:06 +0000
            Re: Malware help and skepticism "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-02-02 01:44 +0000
          Re: Malware help and skepticism "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-02-02 01:36 +0000
            Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 15:04 +1300
        Re: Malware help and skepticism Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-01-31 21:50 -0800
        Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 15:08 +0000
          Re: Malware help and skepticism "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-02-01 15:27 -0500
          Re: Malware help and skepticism "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-02-02 01:45 +0000
          Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-07 09:33 +0100
            Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-08 09:32 +1300
    Re: Malware help and skepticism David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2014-01-31 08:02 -0600
      Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 09:57 -0500
      Re: Malware help and skepticism isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-31 10:37 -0800
        Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-31 12:57 -0700
    Re: Malware help and skepticism John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-31 16:59 -0500
      Re: Malware help and skepticism erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-01 12:34 -0600
        Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 22:58 +0000
          Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-01 18:42 -0500
            Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:50 +1300
            Re: Malware help and skepticism nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 12:47 -0500
              Re: Malware help and skepticism George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-02 15:01 -0600
                Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 10:11 -0500
                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-04 08:47 +1300
                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-03 20:25 +0000
                  Re: Malware help and skepticism George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-03 16:13 -0600
                  Re: Malware help and skepticism erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:11 -0600
                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-03 23:35 +0000
                      Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-04 11:19 +1100
                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 08:51 +0000
                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 08:06 -0700
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 17:12 +0000
                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 17:23 +0000
                                P.S. Hoffman (was Re: Malware help and skepticism) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-04 19:34 +0000
                                  Re: P.S. Hoffman (was Re: Malware help and skepticism) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 21:28 +0000
                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 10:30 -0700
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 17:51 +0000
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 11:34 -0700
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 21:20 +0000
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:36 -0700
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 12:12 +1100
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 18:10 +0000
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 18:20 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-04 17:29 -0500
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 18:28 +0000
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-04 14:03 -0500
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 19:22 +0000
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:24 -0700
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-05 08:56 +1300
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:28 -0700
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 01:11 +0000
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-05 07:25 +0000
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 13:27 +0000
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-05 14:20 +0000
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 06:42 -0800
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-05 15:02 +0000
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 10:18 -0500
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-05 16:44 +0000
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 12:48 -0500
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 22:58 +0000
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-07 19:13 +0100
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:22 -0700
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:24 +0000
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 17:57 -0700
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-06 14:03 +0000
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-06 08:06 -0700
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 18:02 -0700
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-06 14:04 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 12:12 +1100
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-05 06:00 +1100
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-04 17:32 -0500
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 14:04 -0800
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-04 17:28 -0500
                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 18:09 +0000
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 18:31 +0000
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 21:19 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 16:47 -0500
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-05 09:00 +1300
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 21:26 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 21:46 +0000
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 21:52 +0000
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 22:49 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:43 -0700
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-04 16:59 -0500
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 23:57 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 01:17 +0000
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 16:46 -0500
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:32 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-04 20:53 -0500
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 18:33 -0800
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-05 14:19 +1100
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 19:34 -0800
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-05 17:25 +1100
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 22:34 -0800
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 02:47 -0500
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 06:32 -0800
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 11:58 +1100
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 17:52 -0800
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 15:46 +1300
                                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 18:54 -0800
                                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 22:12 -0500
                                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 19:16 -0800
                                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 21:00 -0700
                                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 16:36 +1100
                                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 17:20 +1300
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:00 -0700
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 12:49 -0500
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-05 17:58 +0000
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 10:33 -0800
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 15:58 -0500
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 13:41 +1300
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:29 +0000
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-07 21:14 +0100
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-07 12:35 -0800
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-08 10:04 +1300
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-05 19:10 +1100
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 03:53 -0500
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-05 09:05 +0000
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 13:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-05 14:24 +0000
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 06:36 -0800
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-05 20:50 +0000
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 09:28 +1300
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-07 21:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-08 17:32 +1300
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-07 21:50 -0700
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 09:26 -0500
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 06:43 -0800
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 11:42 +1100
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:55 -0700
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 10:18 -0800
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:51 -0700
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 17:23 -0500
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-07 08:58 +1300
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-06 15:08 -0500
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-07 13:11 +1300
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 16:27 -0500
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-07 10:59 +1100
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-07 13:13 +1300
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-06 17:37 -0700
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-07 02:15 +0000
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 14:06 -0800
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-05 13:57 +1300
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 17:07 -0800
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-05 15:10 +1300
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 09:16 -0500
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 06:39 -0800
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 10:00 -0500
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:12 -0700
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 12:51 -0500
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 12:19 -0700
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 18:18 -0500
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 17:33 -0700
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 12:33 +1100
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 09:23 +1300
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:04 +0000
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 10:07 -0800
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 12:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 16:07 -0500
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 18:24 -0500
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 16:56 -0800
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 20:04 -0500
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 14:47 +1300
                                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 22:03 -0500
                                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 17:17 +1300
                                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 08:02 -0500
                                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-06 11:53 -0500
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-07 22:15 +0100
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-05 21:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 14:19 -0700
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-05 22:31 +0000
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 17:28 -0700
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-06 02:22 +0000
                                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-06 13:54 +0000
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 09:53 -0500
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-06 11:57 -0500
                                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 09:56 -0800
                                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-06 11:47 -0700
                                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-06 20:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 13:03 -0800
                                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-06 16:19 -0500
                                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 16:34 -0500
                                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 16:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-06 17:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-07 04:37 +0000
                                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-06 20:10 +0000
                                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 16:30 -0500
                                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-06 17:21 +0000
                                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 16:35 -0500
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 18:29 -0500
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:08 +0000
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 17:30 -0700
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 10:32 -0800
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-02-05 20:57 +0000
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 11:59 +1100
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 20:12 -0500
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-02-05 17:46 -0800
                                                Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 16:10 +1100
                                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 08:00 -0500
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 09:21 +1300
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:09 -0700
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 01:20 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 09:12 -0500
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 09:19 +1300
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 14:14 -0700
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:02 +0000
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 18:26 -0500
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-06 13:35 +1300
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 18:19 -0700
                                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-06 14:05 +0000
                                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 09:37 -0500
                                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-07 04:48 +0000
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 17:22 -0500
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-05 10:02 +1100
                                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 23:19 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 23:56 +0000
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-05 13:59 +1300
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-05 12:52 +1100
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-05 09:09 +0000
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 11:35 +1100
                                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:16 -0700
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 16:55 -0500
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 17:00 -0500
                                        Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-06 12:22 +1100
                                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 09:05 -0500
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 12:51 -0500
                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-07 18:32 +0100
                          Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-08 08:31 +1100
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-07 17:07 -0500
                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-08 11:52 +1300
                              Re: Malware help and skepticism dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-08 10:38 +1100
                                Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-11 06:52 +0100
                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-04 13:28 +1300
                        Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 08:50 +0000
                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 11:05 -0800
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-04 19:20 +0000
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-05 08:53 +1300
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-07 19:39 +0100
                              Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-08 09:40 +1300
                  Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-03 18:31 -0500
                    Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 13:01 -0500
                      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 11:36 -0700
                        Re: Malware help and skepticism JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-04 14:11 -0500
                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-05 09:06 +1300
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 09:39 -0700
                          Re: Malware help and skepticism Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-04 21:22 +0000
                            Re: Malware help and skepticism Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 01:07 +0000
    Re: Malware help and skepticism Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2014-02-01 08:03 -0600
      Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-01 09:08 -0500
        Re: Malware help and skepticism dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-02-01 20:47 +0000
          Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 16:41 -0500
            Re: Malware help and skepticism Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 11:27 +1300
          Re: Malware help and skepticism "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-02-02 15:05 -0500
      Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-01 07:55 -0700
        Re: Malware help and skepticism Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-01 11:22 -0500
          Re: Malware help and skepticism Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-01 20:10 -0700
      Re: Malware help and skepticism Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 10:36 -0500
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#55637 — Malware help and skepticism

FromSalmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net>
Date2014-01-30 21:44 -0800
SubjectMalware help and skepticism
Message-ID<SalmonEgg-7D5765.21443230012014@news80.forteinc.com>
I was having some problems with my Mac Pro that still runs SnowLeopard. 
Among other other things, I had trouble saving an Excel program, some 
strange files have shown up I cannot eliminate, and I had to use force 
quitting several times. I was thinking hardware problems becaus I have 
installed an SSD and a 4TByte disk recently.

To my surprise, someone calls me up and asks for me by name. He tells me 
that my computer sent his organization messages that indicated I have 
some malware that they could take care of remotely. To say that I was 
skeptical is an understatement. The outfit calls themselves iMax support 
with website https://www.imaxsupport.com/.

What can people here tell me about them? What should my first steps be 
to track down malware problems? I am reluctant to download software from 
the web, but sometimes that is difficult to do.

The problem may be with eyetv. It often is running in the background and 
has strange picture interfaces when text with copy and paste would be 
more useful.

-- 

Sam

Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.

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#55639

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-01-31 19:35 +1300
Message-ID<310120141935337157%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55637
In article <SalmonEgg-7D5765.21443230012014@news80.forteinc.com>,
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> I was having some problems with my Mac Pro that still runs SnowLeopard. 
> Among other other things, I had trouble saving an Excel program, some 
> strange files have shown up I cannot eliminate, and I had to use force 
> quitting several times. I was thinking hardware problems becaus I have 
> installed an SSD and a 4TByte disk recently.
> 
> To my surprise, someone calls me up and asks for me by name. He tells me 
> that my computer sent his organization messages that indicated I have 
> some malware that they could take care of remotely. To say that I was 
> skeptical is an understatement. The outfit calls themselves iMax support 
> with website https://www.imaxsupport.com/.
> 
> What can people here tell me about them? What should my first steps be 
> to track down malware problems? I am reluctant to download software from 
> the web, but sometimes that is difficult to do.

DO NOT vist their stupid website. You have NOT got any malware.

Just ignore the idiot on the phone - it's a well-known scam where they
just randomly call people hopeing to find someone naive or gullible
enough to believe them. Once they get access to your computer (and
usually it's only Windows computers), they can lock you out and the
basically blackmail you into paying them to release the machine again.

If the idiot calls again, ...

    - tell them to wait a minute while you start up the computer,
      then just leave the phone  and go and do something else.

    - tell them to hang on a minute while you get your more
      computer literate policeman son / daughter to talk to them.

    - tell them your computer is at another phone line and they
      should riung that number - then give them the phone number
      of your local police station.

    - blow a whistle or air horn loudly down the phoneline.

    - just hang up.

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#55642

FromMichael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Date2014-01-30 22:46 -0800
Message-ID<vilain-2C1C51.22461530012014@news.individual.net>
In reply to#55637
In article <SalmonEgg-7D5765.21443230012014@news80.forteinc.com>,
 Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I was having some problems with my Mac Pro that still runs SnowLeopard. 
> Among other other things, I had trouble saving an Excel program, some 
> strange files have shown up I cannot eliminate, and I had to use force 
> quitting several times. I was thinking hardware problems becaus I have 
> installed an SSD and a 4TByte disk recently.
> 
> To my surprise, someone calls me up and asks for me by name. He tells me 
> that my computer sent his organization messages that indicated I have 
> some malware that they could take care of remotely. To say that I was 
> skeptical is an understatement. The outfit calls themselves iMax support 
> with website https://www.imaxsupport.com/.
> 
> What can people here tell me about them? What should my first steps be 
> to track down malware problems? I am reluctant to download software from 
> the web, but sometimes that is difficult to do.
> 
> The problem may be with eyetv. It often is running in the background and 
> has strange picture interfaces when text with copy and paste would be 
> more useful.

It's a scam.  This has been a modus operandi for PC vendors for years.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#55644

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-31 02:11 -0500
Message-ID<310120140211357345%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55637
In article <SalmonEgg-7D5765.21443230012014@news80.forteinc.com>,
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I was having some problems with my Mac Pro that still runs SnowLeopard. 
> Among other other things, I had trouble saving an Excel program, some 
> strange files have shown up I cannot eliminate, and I had to use force 
> quitting several times. I was thinking hardware problems becaus I have 
> installed an SSD and a 4TByte disk recently.

what version of excel? i've seen occasional problems with older
versions.

> To my surprise, someone calls me up and asks for me by name. He tells me 
> that my computer sent his organization messages that indicated I have 
> some malware that they could take care of remotely. To say that I was 
> skeptical is an understatement. The outfit calls themselves iMax support 
> with website https://www.imaxsupport.com/.
> 
> What can people here tell me about them? What should my first steps be 
> to track down malware problems? I am reluctant to download software from 
> the web, but sometimes that is difficult to do.

for one, that website is for windows support.

anyway, this is a *very* popular scam to get you to install malware.

hang up. 

they scare you into thinking your computer has problems of one sort or
another and that you are *so* lucky that they caught it before any real
damage could happen.

they will then tell you they want you to 'install' software so they can
do a more thorough check and fix it, which as you might have guessed,
actually *installs* malware.

once that's done, they ask for some amount of money to 'fix' the
problems, but you've already been pwned.

> The problem may be with eyetv. It often is running in the background and 
> has strange picture interfaces when text with copy and paste would be 
> more useful.

eyetv may have problems of its own, but that is *not* why they called
you.

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#55659

FromSalmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net>
Date2014-01-31 09:34 -0800
Message-ID<SalmonEgg-8E4806.09345331012014@news80.forteinc.com>
In reply to#55644
In article <310120140211357345%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <SalmonEgg-7D5765.21443230012014@news80.forteinc.com>,
> Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > I was having some problems with my Mac Pro that still runs SnowLeopard. 
> > Among other other things, I had trouble saving an Excel program, some 
> > strange files have shown up I cannot eliminate, and I had to use force 
> > quitting several times. I was thinking hardware problems becaus I have 
> > installed an SSD and a 4TByte disk recently.
> 
> what version of excel? i've seen occasional problems with older
> versions.

I am now using Excel 2011. I do not remember which version that created 
the workbook that was being processed by Excel 2011. There was a problem 
with date conversion. In the end. I saved that particular worksheet in 
whatever format the computer was willing to use. Later, that worksheet 
was pasted back into the original xlsx file that had not been modified. 
Everything there seems ok now. Note, that Office 2011 is still sending 
out critical updates after three or four years.
> 
> > To my surprise, someone calls me up and asks for me by name. He tells me 
> > that my computer sent his organization messages that indicated I have 
> > some malware that they could take care of remotely. To say that I was 
> > skeptical is an understatement. The outfit calls themselves iMax support 
> > with website https://www.imaxsupport.com/.
> > 
> > What can people here tell me about them? What should my first steps be 
> > to track down malware problems? I am reluctant to download software from 
> > the web, but sometimes that is difficult to do.
> 
> for one, that website is for windows support.
> 
> anyway, this is a *very* popular scam to get you to install malware.
> 
> hang up. 
> 
> they scare you into thinking your computer has problems of one sort or
> another and that you are *so* lucky that they caught it before any real
> damage could happen.
> 
> they will then tell you they want you to 'install' software so they can
> do a more thorough check and fix it, which as you might have guessed,
> actually *installs* malware.
> 
> once that's done, they ask for some amount of money to 'fix' the
> problems, but you've already been pwned.
> 
> > The problem may be with eyetv. It often is running in the background and 
> > has strange picture interfaces when text with copy and paste would be 
> > more useful.
> 
> eyetv may have problems of its own, but that is *not* why they called
> you.

I wish to thank you and everyone else who took the trouble to respond. 
Not having that much experience with these scamsters, you have helped me 
stick to my original skepticism. They just hit me at a time when I was 
questioning what was going on in my computer. I still in that state and 
regret having to spend effort.

GETTING BACK TO THE MALWARE PROBLEM:

If one suspects malware on a Mac, how would you even start to correct 
the problem? Is there any software that would be helpful?

-- 

Sam

Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.

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#55662

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-01-31 13:22 -0500
Message-ID<310120141322151699%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55659
In article <SalmonEgg-8E4806.09345331012014@news80.forteinc.com>,
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> GETTING BACK TO THE MALWARE PROBLEM:
> 
> If one suspects malware on a Mac, how would you even start to correct 
> the problem? Is there any software that would be helpful?

the chances of malware on a mac is for all intents, zero, which means
any problem is almost always something else. there are a couple of
examples but they're very, very rare.

if you install software only from trusted sources, either from apple's
app store or from established companies, then you are almost certainly
not going to have any issue with malware.

just because something weird is going on with a computer does not
automatically mean malware. it could just be buggy software.

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#55668

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-02-01 09:57 +1300
Message-ID<010220140957206619%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55659
In article <SalmonEgg-8E4806.09345331012014@news80.forteinc.com>,
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> GETTING BACK TO THE MALWARE PROBLEM:
> 
> If one suspects malware on a Mac, how would you even start to correct 
> the problem? Is there any software that would be helpful?

You haven't got any malware and you're unlikely to ever have any
malware (unless you visiting porn websites and downloading pirate
software). Just be sensible about installing software which you know is
legitiamte and ignoring silly scam phonecalls. 

If you're really worried and seriously want to waste storage space,
processor time, and download data, then there are free anit-virus
applications for the Mac like ClamXav (http://http://www.clamxav.com/)
and a few other over-priced applications ... BUT the chances that
you'll ever find anything using them less than
0.000000000000000000001%.

In decades of using Apple computers and helping numerous other people,
I have only ever come across ONE virus (years ago), and that was a
Windows one on a floppy disk so wouldn't have any affect on a Mac at
all.

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#55650

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-01-31 12:48 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlen6s3.2qbm.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#55637
In message <SalmonEgg-7D5765.21443230012014@news80.forteinc.com> 
  Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> To my surprise, someone calls me up and asks for me by name. He tells me 
> that my computer sent his organization messages that indicated I have 
> some malware that they could take care of remotely. To say that I was 
> skeptical is an understatement. The outfit calls themselves iMax support 
> with website https://www.imaxsupport.com/.

They have nothing to do with Macs because there are no viruses for the
Mac. They are a company that makes their money cleaning windows
machines. Most of these companies are scams and malware installers, but
not all of them. I've never heard of this one, but given the slime that
exists in their market, I would assume they are scum.

> The problem may be with eyetv. It often is running in the background and 
> has strange picture interfaces when text with copy and paste would be 
> more useful.

There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.

Do you have Java installed and are any of your web browsers allowed to
use it?

-- 
'Never say die, master. That's our motto, eh?' I CAN'T SAY IT'S EVER
REALLY BEEN MINE. --Hogfather

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#55673

From"John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net>
Date2014-01-31 22:23 +0000
Message-ID<51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ddLPNx9ZyXgR@localhost>
In reply to#55650
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:48:03 UTC, Lewis 
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.

I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.

-- 
John Varela

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#55677

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2014-01-31 20:39 -0500
Message-ID<310120142039461648%star@sky.net>
In reply to#55673
Lewis:
> > There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.

John Varela:
> I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.

I don't think that's the definition of malware. "Mal" is short for
"malicious;" something (software or a hardware/software device),  that
is /intended/ to do harm to one's computer. Hardware/software not
working together properly, but not designed to harm one's computer,
might better be called "buggy." Even if buggy software caused computer
problems, I would not call it malware unless the vendor intended for it
harm one's computer. True, I don't have EyeTV, but I don't think that
it is sold for the purpose of damaging computers.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#55697

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-02-01 15:07 +0000
Message-ID<bl4gt1Fo2o2U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#55677
On 2014-02-01, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Lewis:
>> > There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
>
> John Varela:
>> I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
>> better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
>> yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.
>
> I don't think that's the definition of malware. "Mal" is short for
> "malicious;" something (software or a hardware/software device),  that
> is /intended/ to do harm to one's computer. Hardware/software not
> working together properly, but not designed to harm one's computer,
> might better be called "buggy." Even if buggy software caused computer
> problems, I would not call it malware unless the vendor intended for it
> harm one's computer. True, I don't have EyeTV, but I don't think that
> it is sold for the purpose of damaging computers.

*clap* *clap* *clap*

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55715

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-02-01 17:06 +0000
Message-ID<slrnleqadh.5og.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#55677
In message <310120142039461648%star@sky.net> 
  Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Lewis:
>> > There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.

> John Varela:
>> I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
>> better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
>> yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.

> I don't think that's the definition of malware. "Mal" is short for
> "malicious;" something (software or a hardware/software device),  that
> is /intended/ to do harm to one's computer. Hardware/software not
> working together properly, but not designed to harm one's computer,
> might better be called "buggy." Even if buggy software caused computer
> problems, I would not call it malware unless the vendor intended for it
> harm one's computer. True, I don't have EyeTV, but I don't think that
> it is sold for the purpose of damaging computers.

I don't have eyeTV either, but a friend of mine has one and keeps a
window open when ever he's coding. Sometimes he will go 30 hours
straight. I've never heard him complain about it crashing.

-- 
THE PRESIDENT DID IT IS NOT AN EXCUSE Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF05

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#55749

From"John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net>
Date2014-02-02 01:44 +0000
Message-ID<51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-vXNUpjzoffdg@localhost>
In reply to#55715
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 17:06:56 UTC, Lewis 
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <310120142039461648%star@sky.net> 
>   Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > Lewis:
> >> > There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
> 
> > John Varela:
> >> I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> >> better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> >> yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.
> 
> > I don't think that's the definition of malware. "Mal" is short for
> > "malicious;" something (software or a hardware/software device),  that
> > is /intended/ to do harm to one's computer. Hardware/software not
> > working together properly, but not designed to harm one's computer,
> > might better be called "buggy." Even if buggy software caused computer
> > problems, I would not call it malware unless the vendor intended for it
> > harm one's computer. True, I don't have EyeTV, but I don't think that
> > it is sold for the purpose of damaging computers.
> 
> I don't have eyeTV either, but a friend of mine has one and keeps a
> window open when ever he's coding. Sometimes he will go 30 hours
> straight. I've never heard him complain about it crashing.
 
I had a good experience with an EyeTV but when I upgraded to the 
EyeTV HD -- for HD TV -- the device I received from Elgato would 
often produce falsetto sound like The Chipmunks as well as freezing.
I returned the device to Elgato and they sent a refurbished 
replacement. This one doesn't have the Chipmunk problem and the 
freezes occur much less often but it does freeze once in a while. 
Sometimes closing and reopening the app will clear the problem, 
sometimes it's necessary to remove and replace the USB plug, and 
just yesterday I had to keep the plug removed for 30 seconds to 
guarantee a full hardware reset.

I just installed a software update. Maybe that will help.

-- 
John Varela

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#55748

From"John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net>
Date2014-02-02 01:36 +0000
Message-ID<51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-OCoprGUJXtHd@localhost>
In reply to#55677
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 01:39:46 UTC, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Lewis:
> > > There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
> 
> John Varela:
> > I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> > better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> > yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.
> 
> I don't think that's the definition of malware. "Mal" is short for
> "malicious;" something (software or a hardware/software device),  that
> is /intended/ to do harm to one's computer. Hardware/software not
> working together properly, but not designed to harm one's computer,
> might better be called "buggy." Even if buggy software caused computer
> problems, I would not call it malware unless the vendor intended for it
> harm one's computer. True, I don't have EyeTV, but I don't think that
> it is sold for the purpose of damaging computers.
 
Evidently you don't recognize hyperbole.

-- 
John Varela

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#55751

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-02-02 15:04 +1300
Message-ID<020220141504228891%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#55748
In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-OCoprGUJXtHd@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 01:39:46 UTC, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> > Lewis:
> > > > There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
> > > 
> > > I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> > > better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> > > yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.
> > 
> > I don't think that's the definition of malware. "Mal" is short for
> > "malicious;" something (software or a hardware/software device),  that
> > is /intended/ to do harm to one's computer. Hardware/software not
> > working together properly, but not designed to harm one's computer,
> > might better be called "buggy." Even if buggy software caused computer
> > problems, I would not call it malware unless the vendor intended for it
> > harm one's computer. True, I don't have EyeTV, but I don't think that
> > it is sold for the purpose of damaging computers.
>  
> Evidently you don't recognize hyperbole.

You could always say "malware" comes from the French word "mal",
meaning "bad" or "harmful" (or even "evil").  ;-)

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#55688

FromSalmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net>
Date2014-01-31 21:50 -0800
Message-ID<SalmonEgg-B7890A.21503231012014@news80.forteinc.com>
In reply to#55673
In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ddLPNx9ZyXgR@localhost>,
 "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:48:03 UTC, Lewis 
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
> 
> I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.

Gee. While I would not give EyeTV an award for well engineered software, 
I am still surprised it works as well as it does. My problems with it 
have usually arisen when I switch between cable and antenna. I also am 
upset that its database cannot be cut and pasted like text. 
Nevertheless, I now prefer to use that as my TV viewer instead of a 
dedicated digital TV set.

-- 

Sam

Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.

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#55698

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-02-01 15:08 +0000
Message-ID<bl4gv9Fo2o2U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#55673
On 2014-01-31, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:48:03 UTC, Lewis 
><g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
>
> I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.

Hyperbole.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55729

From"D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com>
Date2014-02-01 15:27 -0500
Message-ID<dfmanno-888FB9.15271301022014@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#55698
In article <bl4gv9Fo2o2U3@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-31, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >
> >> There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
> >
> > I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> > better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> > yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.
> 
> Hyperbole.

Is that the game after the Super Bowl?

-- 
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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#55750

From"John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net>
Date2014-02-02 01:45 +0000
Message-ID<51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-pJ4dBiFB1Ndc@localhost>
In reply to#55698
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 15:08:26 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> 
wrote:

> On 2014-01-31, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:48:03 UTC, Lewis 
> ><g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >
> >> There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
> >
> > I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
> > better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have 
> > yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.
> 
> Hyperbole.
 
Yay! At least one person understood.

-- 
John Varela

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#56170

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-02-07 09:33 +0100
Message-ID<6biesa-j2m1.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#55698
On 2014-02-01, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-31, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:48:03 UTC, Lewis
>><g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>
>>> There is no malware in eyeTV unless you put it there.
>>
>> I have in the past thought that EyeTV itself is malware. It's gotten
>> better over the years but it still hangs from time to time. I have
>> yet to watch a whole football game without at least one freeze.
>
> Hyperbole.
>

Super Bowl?

--
Paul Sture

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