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| Started by | David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-01-29 10:45 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-31 18:27 +1300 |
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Getting two computers to talk to each other David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 10:45 -0800
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 18:50 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 08:58 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:59 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:24 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 20:57 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 09:58 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:13 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 15:01 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 21:06 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-30 16:57 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-30 17:05 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 14:12 -0800
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 22:02 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-30 17:51 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 12:02 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 17:08 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 23:03 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-02 00:57 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-01 21:23 -0600
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-02 04:54 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:29 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 08:58 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 21:13 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 13:53 -0800
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 22:09 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 22:40 -0800
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 12:41 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 13:39 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-01 09:45 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-31 22:33 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:15 +0100
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:24 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 02:49 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:22 +0100
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:55 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 12:02 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-01-30 02:45 +0100
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 12:30 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 18:18 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:54 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 02:53 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Gary <gary_w1@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-30 03:44 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:00 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:59 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 09:02 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 12:32 -0500
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 12:26 -0800
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:30 +0100
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-31 00:49 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-31 03:55 +0000
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 18:25 +1300
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2014-01-30 20:02 -0600
Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 18:27 +1300
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| From | Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 21:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <lckdmi$lcd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55747 |
On 2/1/14, 6:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote: > I have fond memories of assembly language programming with a limited set > of registers etc, rebuilding TRS-DOS diskette directories by hand in > hexadecimal, repairing crappy disk drives by hand with a solder gun. > I feel those of us who learned computing and programming in those days > are actually pretty lucky, because it allowed us to gain a rudimentary > understanding of how things work that is harder to attain today, What I found especially educational (and it was part of my profession at the time) was figuring out how to defeat the copy-protection schemes on the Apple II diskettes. -- Ted
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-02-02 04:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlerjrm.bbn.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #55747 |
In message <bl5jfoFnaaU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-02-01, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <bl4o0eFpmdpU1@mid.individual.net> >> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> On 2014-02-01, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >>>> On 2014.01.30, 08:13 , Lewis wrote: >>>>> In message <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net> >>>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>>>>> In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne >>>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs >>>>>> on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is >>>>>> bleating about. >>>>> >>>>> Hell, you could easily network the original Mac 128K. Just plug it in to >>>>> a chain of other Macs and VOILA! a LAN appeared as if by magic. >>>> >>>> I was a member of the other faith at the time. >> >>> I was still doing Basic/Zilog Assembly programming on TRS-80s back then >>> and the experience of using Apple's LocalTalk networking on Macs was >>> magical compared with other networking solutions available for other >>> platforms at the time. >> >> I remember hand wiring a serial cable to connect a computer to the other >> using... damn, I don't remember how we got them to 'talk'. All you >> could do was type on one screen and see it on the other, but if you had >> two people trying to talk it was garbled. Even that was magic. Of >> course, this was before any of us ever heard of the Internet or >> modems. >: ) > I have fond memories of assembly language programming with a limited set > of registers etc, rebuilding TRS-DOS diskette directories by hand in > hexadecimal, repairing crappy disk drives by hand with a solder gun. > I feel those of us who learned computing and programming in those days > are actually pretty lucky, because it allowed us to gain a rudimentary > understanding of how things work that is harder to attain today, But to be clear, I have no desire to go back to those days. I like the tools I have now and the fact that freaking *everything* is on the Internet and that I can find the answer to a question in minutes so I can keep working instead of in days (or weeks, or never) which was so often the case 30 years ago. Just the other day I thought I would take a stab at redoing a header logo on a blog in HTML canvas instead of the old png I'd made by hand several years ago. It was just a text logo, nothing terribly fancy, a drop shadow, a little tweak to the kerning, but it was this big blob of an image and it didn't scale down well. There were some issues with getting started though. First, I'd never written a single line of javascript. Second, I'd never even looked at the spec for HTML5 canvas element. Third, I had no idea if what I wanted to do was even possible, but I was pretty sure it was. Fourth, Wordpress has always been a thing I setup for someone and then walk away. What I wanted to do required getting into the php/html code and not just playing with the GUI (although, maybe I could have done some of it via the GUI, not sure). But, after a few hours I had what I wanted, a HTML canvas with the text I wanted and the shadow and it looked pretty much exactly like the png logo. Then I got going and did some other stuff. I ended up writing three functions, one to draw a graphic logo in the canvas, one to put text in the canvas (accepting several passed variables like the text, the base size, the primary color, the secondary color, and an array of letters to put in the secondary color. I wrote a little subroutine that pulled the kerning in on the punctuation characters even. And I say this not to brag about my 1337 hax0rz skillz with the HTML5, but rather that I would never have dove into this if I didn't have that 1980s foundation of "we'll just try it until something works." Javascript? Dead simple to write, and not very different than C or php. Canvas elements? Well, they're a little odd and I'm not sure IO understand exactly how the y axis works in them, but I got the values that worked by fiddling with it in BBEdit. And that's what I see a lot of people don't do is just try things. Everyone, from the neophyte user to the 'experienced' programmer under 30 seems to have a attitude that if they don't get it just right, everything will go to hell and the Internet will explode. On the other hand, I spent about 15 minutes trying to add an alpha channel to a jpeg file, so you know, still stupid. :) I ended up, though, with a stand-alone javascript file that has my functions and I will be able to reuse that in a bunch of other pages and while I will probably continue to tweak them and I'm under no illusions that the code is necessarily good (or 'good') it all works. The equivilant sort of task in 1987 would have taken many posts to various USENET groups, several days while those posts propagated and replies came in, and going to the library and finding books (which were probably checked out anyway). -- 'Winners never talk about glorious victories. That's because they're the ones who see what the battlefield looks like afterwards. It's only the losers who have glorious victories.' --Small Gods
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-02 09:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k9GdnZ1H-uehy3PPnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #55747 |
On 2014.02.01, 19:57 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-02-01, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <bl4o0eFpmdpU1@mid.individual.net>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-01, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.01.30, 08:13 , Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
>>>>>> on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
>>>>>> bleating about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell, you could easily network the original Mac 128K. Just plug it in to
>>>>> a chain of other Macs and VOILA! a LAN appeared as if by magic.
>>>>
>>>> I was a member of the other faith at the time.
>>
>>> I was still doing Basic/Zilog Assembly programming on TRS-80s back then
>>> and the experience of using Apple's LocalTalk networking on Macs was
>>> magical compared with other networking solutions available for other
>>> platforms at the time.
>>
>> I remember hand wiring a serial cable to connect a computer to the other
>> using... damn, I don't remember how we got them to 'talk'. All you
>> could do was type on one screen and see it on the other, but if you had
>> two people trying to talk it was garbled. Even that was magic. Of
>> course, this was before any of us ever heard of the Internet or
>> modems.
>
> : )
>
> I have fond memories of assembly language programming with a limited set
> of registers etc, rebuilding TRS-DOS diskette directories by hand in
> hexadecimal, repairing crappy disk drives by hand with a solder gun.
> I feel those of us who learned computing and programming in those days
> are actually pretty lucky, because it allowed us to gain a rudimentary
> understanding of how things work that is harder to attain today,
Similar experience here - though I wouldn't call it rudimentary.
OTOH, in those days we could easily understand every register and i/o
(ports, interrupts, mem mapping, etc.) and peripherals (UARTS, timers,
interrupt controllers, etc) at both the h/w and s/w level down to every
detail and clock cycle. I wrote my own OS' (compact, real-time) on
sparse processors like the 8085 and 8086. It was fun. (Having the
hp-64000 ICE was a blessing as well).
Today's processor are incredibly complex in comparison.
--
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
- Mike Tyson
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 08:58 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55597 |
In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > > On 2014.01.29, 19:24 , Your Name wrote: > > > In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne > > > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > >> On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote: > > >>> In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>, > > >>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I > > >>>> never > > >>>> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I > > >>>> recently > > >>>> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that > > >>>> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the > > >>>> PC. > > >>>> So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as > > >>>> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the > > >>>> attached files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves > > >>>> actually connecting the two computers to each other and sending the > > >>>> files directly. > > >>>> Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up as an icon on the other > > >>>> computer's desktop, so that I could directly move files back and > > >>>> forth. How is this done? > > >>> > > >>> The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard > > >>> drive. > > >>> > > >>> You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it > > >>> really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to > > >>> transfer a few files? > > >> > > >> Hassle? > > > > > > Networking is notouriously problematic, especialy if you don't know > > > what you're doing, although newer OSes have made it easier. > > > > Even 10 years ago it was pretty easy for casual users by simply > > following "recipe" instruction found here or there on the web. Today > > it's all but trivial. > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > bleating about. AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the simplest way to exchange files. :-\
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-30 21:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #55616 |
In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > bleating about. > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration needed. > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the > simplest way to exchange files. :-\ Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-30 13:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-079359.13533130012014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55620 |
In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > > bleating about. > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration > needed. > > > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have > > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple > > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the > > simplest way to exchange files. :-\ > > Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk > to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini. Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39870/lion-ftpd-enable Or result to command-line foo: start ftpd: sudo -s "launchctl load -wF /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/ftp.plist; launchctl start com.apple.ftpd" stop ftpd: sudo -s "launchctl stop com.apple.ftpd;launchctl unload -wF /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/ftp.plist" -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-30 22:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <300120142209436181%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #55621 |
In article <vilain-079359.13533130012014@news.individual.net>, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > > > bleating about. > > > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration > > needed. > > > > > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have > > > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple > > > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the > > > simplest way to exchange files. :-\ > > > > Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk > > to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini. > > Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the > Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool > > https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39870/lion-ftpd-enable What do I need FTP for? I just mount the remote disk and use it like any other. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-30 22:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-4332AD.22402430012014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55625 |
In article <300120142209436181%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <vilain-079359.13533130012014@news.individual.net>, Michael > Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > > > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, > > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > > > > bleating about. > > > > > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > > > > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting > > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another > > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration > > > needed. > > > > > > > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have > > > > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple > > > > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the > > > > simplest way to exchange files. :-\ > > > > > > Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk > > > to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini. > > > > Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the > > Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool > > > > https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39870/lion-ftpd-enable > > What do I need FTP for? I just mount the remote disk and use it like > any other. If you'er talking CIFS mount of the PC on the Mac, that's requires a passworded account on the PC to allow the Mac to login. I don't know how an account with a blank password would work in that situation since I only use Windows 7 in emulation. And there are different versions of CIFS. Depending on the version running on the PC, you may have problems connnecting until the versions right. Note: I recall the OP wanted to network a Windows and a Mac together. You're talking about two Macs, which isn't the original problem as I recall it. If I got that wrong, apologies. http://support.apple.com/kb/PH10780?viewlocale=en_US https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3208098?start=45&tstart=0 -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 12:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlen6f7.2qbm.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #55621 |
In message <vilain-079359.13533130012014@news.individual.net> Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >> > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater >> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> >> > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs >> > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is >> > > bleating about. >> > >> > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots >> > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. >> >> What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting >> as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another >> switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration >> needed. >> >> > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have >> > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple >> > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the >> > simplest way to exchange files. :-\ >> >> Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk >> to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini. > Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the > Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool Why would you use ftp? There's no need to use ftp on your LAN, just copy the files. -- "We're philosophers. We think, therefore we am."
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 13:39 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <310120141339108861%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55620 |
In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > > bleating about. > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration > needed. Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier).
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 08:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <310120140827591948%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #55630 |
In article <310120141339108861%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > > > bleating about. > > > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration > > needed. > > Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then > finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it > used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier). What do you mean by "incorrect or duplicate ID"? -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 09:45 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <010220140945193388%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55647 |
In article <310120140827591948%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <310120141339108861%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs > > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > > > > bleating about. > > > > > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > > > > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting > > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another > > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration > > > needed. > > > > Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then > > finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it > > used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier). > > What do you mean by "incorrect or duplicate ID"? Thanks for proving my point. :-)
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-31 22:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <310120142233517143%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #55667 |
In article <010220140945193388%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <310120140827591948%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > In article <310120141339108861%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > > > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > > > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of > > > > > > Macs > > > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is > > > > > > bleating about. > > > > > > > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, > > > > > lots > > > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > > > > > > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting > > > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another > > > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration > > > > needed. > > > > > > Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then > > > finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it > > > used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier). > > > > What do you mean by "incorrect or duplicate ID"? > > Thanks for proving my point. :-) Which was what? -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-02-10 01:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <p9ilsa-14s.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #55616 |
On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater ><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >> In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne >> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >> >> > On 2014.01.29, 19:24 , Your Name wrote: >> > > In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne >> > > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >> > >> On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote: >> > >>> In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>, >> > >>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I >> > >>>> never >> > >>>> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I >> > >>>> recently >> > >>>> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that >> > >>>> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the >> > >>>> PC. >> > >>>> So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as >> > >>>> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the >> > >>>> attached files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves >> > >>>> actually connecting the two computers to each other and sending the >> > >>>> files directly. >> > >>>> Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up as an icon on the other >> > >>>> computer's desktop, so that I could directly move files back and >> > >>>> forth. How is this done? >> > >>> >> > >>> The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard >> > >>> drive. >> > >>> >> > >>> You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it >> > >>> really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to >> > >>> transfer a few files? >> > >> >> > >> Hassle? >> > > >> > > Networking is notouriously problematic, especialy if you don't know >> > > what you're doing, although newer OSes have made it easier. >> > >> > Even 10 years ago it was pretty easy for casual users by simply >> > following "recipe" instruction found here or there on the web. Today >> > it's all but trivial. >> >> More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs >> on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is >> bleating about. > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside. > > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the > simplest way to exchange files. :-\ A USB drive won't be as fast as this: scp *flac me@mac:~/Downloads file1.flac 100% 876MB 25.0MB/s 00:35 file1.flac 100% 510MB 25.5MB/s 00:20 1386MB in less than a minute. Job done. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-30 13:24 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <300120141324512406%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #55574 |
In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote: > > In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>, > > David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I never > >> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently > >> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that > >> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC. > >> So > >> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as > >> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached > >> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting > >> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally, > >> I'd > >> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so > >> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done? > > > > The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard > > drive. > > > > You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it > > really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to > > transfer a few files? > > Hassle? Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-30 02:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bktst3Fbo8gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55580 |
On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use > Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac. Yup. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-02-10 01:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <2nilsa-14s.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #55587 |
On 2014-01-30, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >> Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use >> Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac. > > Yup. It depends on how you do the transfer. I have found that using scp from a VM under Fusion is considerably faster than using Fusion's host shared folders once you are talking about largish files (e.g. > 100MB). It's not noticeable for small files though. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-10 00:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <blqmbgFfta0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56323 |
On 2014-02-10, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2014-01-30, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> >>> Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use >>> Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac. >> >> Yup. > > It depends on how you do the transfer. I have found that using scp from > a VM under Fusion is considerably faster than using Fusion's host shared > folders once you are talking about largish files (e.g. > 100MB). > It's not noticeable for small files though. Completely ignoring the fact that this requires significant TCP/IP setup for each computer... That's a lot to ignore. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-01 12:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <R8-dneoPLqomtXDPnZ2dnUVZ_uEAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #55580 |
On 2014.01.29, 19:24 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
>>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something Inever
>>>> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently
>>>> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that
>>>> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC.
>>>> So
>>>> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as
>>>> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached
>>>> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting
>>>> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally,
>>>> I'd
>>>> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so
>>>> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done?
>>>
>>> The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard
>>> drive.
>>>
>>> You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it
>>> really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to
>>> transfer a few files?
>>
>> Hassle?
>
> Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use
> Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac.
As I had replied to the OP.
--
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
- Mike Tyson
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| From | ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-01-30 02:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lccar0$mou$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #55560 |
Your Name wrote: > David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote: >> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I never >> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently >> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that >> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC. So >> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as >> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached >> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting >> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd >> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so >> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done? > > The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard > drive. Yes, but then he has to notice that the USB stick/harddisk is formatted in FAT32 to be sure that this will work... > You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it > really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to > transfer a few files? A standard RJ45 ethernet cable between the two machines - and it should only take 10 secs. for both machines to recognize each others... And no worriness about formatting tables. - A Mac reads and writes to/from any FAT32 disk, and if the PC is running XPPro SP3 or newer any Mac disks - external or internal, connected to a Mac, - will be recognized as 'shared disk', and you can read and write to/from these Mac disks from the PC. Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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