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  External HD problem Jan E. Schotsman <jeschotDONT@SPAMMExs4all.nl> - 2014-01-01 20:59 +0100
    Re: External HD problem Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-01 14:06 -0800
      Re: External HD problem Jan E. Schotsman <jeschotDONT@SPAMMExs4all.nl> - 2014-01-02 14:34 +0100
        Re: External HD problem Jan E. Schotsman <jeschotDONT@SPAMMExs4all.nl> - 2014-01-02 22:22 +0100
    Re: External HD problem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-02 23:21 +0000

#54213 — External HD problem

Hello,

I got a Toshiba 500GB portable exterrnal disk from someone. It keeps 
preventing me from changing names of files with the message "Try using 
another name, with fewer characters or no punctuation marks" even after 
multiple reformats as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with Disk Utility.

The fact that it's a USB 3.0 disk and I am still on Leopard shouldn't 
make any difference, should it?

How do I get this thingy to work?

Jan E.

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#54221

In article <52c47397$0$24941$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl>,
 Jan E. Schotsman <jeschotDONT@SPAMMExs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I got a Toshiba 500GB portable exterrnal disk from someone. It keeps 
> preventing me from changing names of files with the message "Try using 
> another name, with fewer characters or no punctuation marks" even after 
> multiple reformats as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with Disk Utility.
> 
> The fact that it's a USB 3.0 disk and I am still on Leopard shouldn't 
> make any difference, should it?
> 
> How do I get this thingy to work?
> 
> Jan E.

That error usually occurs if you try to rename a file to be an already 
existing file in the same directory.

If you go to the Terminal in that directory and enter the "ls" command 
to see if the file is already there.  Try creating the file with the 
touch command.  If that fails and you're root, there's probably a 
problem with the drive.  As root, you should be able to create a file, 
there's very little that will stop you.  I think there's an extended 
filesystem attribute that will prevent even root from changing a file.

The USB type shouldn't be any difference.  You mention you've 
reformatted with Disk Utility multiple times on Leopard.  What happens 
if you move the drive to another system, like a 10.8 system?  Does the 
problem exist?

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#54263

On 2014-01-01 23:06:31 +0100, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> said:

> That error usually occurs if you try to rename a file to be an already
> existing file in the same directory.

That would result in a different message "name already taken".

> The USB type shouldn't be any difference.  You mention you've
> reformatted with Disk Utility multiple times on Leopard.  What happens
> if you move the drive to another system, like a 10.8 system?  Does the
> problem exist?

Thanks for your reaction.
I just tested on Mavericks and everything works as expected!
So it's just Mac OS 10.5.8 that doesn't quite understand USB 3.0 disks.
You can save files to them from applications with any name, but the 
Finder has many problems. You cannot rename or duplicate, and trashing 
files doens't behave as expected either.
I can live with this situation, bacause I have a second internal hard 
disk with Max OS 10.9 on it (for testing my software) but if you read 
this and you are still on Leopard only then my advice is to avoid USB 
3.0 except for read-only purposes.

Jan E.

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#54297

On 2014-01-02 14:34:17 +0100, Jan E. Schotsman 
<jeschotDONT@SPAMMExs4all.nl> said:

> You can save files to them from applications with any name, but the 
> Finder has many problems.

Correction: saving files from applications is problematic too.

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#54300

On 2014-01-01, Jan E  Schotsman <jeschotDONT@SPAMMExs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I got a Toshiba 500GB portable exterrnal disk from someone. It keeps 
> preventing me from changing names of files with the message "Try using 
> another name, with fewer characters or no punctuation marks" even after 
> multiple reformats as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with Disk Utility.
>
> The fact that it's a USB 3.0 disk and I am still on Leopard shouldn't 
> make any difference, should it?
>
> How do I get this thingy to work?

Does this happen only when you use certain characters or for *any*
filename change at all? If the former, can you give us some examples of
names that have failed?

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