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  No sleep in Mavericks dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-12-31 22:16 +0000
    Re: No sleep in Mavericks Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-31 17:48 -0800
      Re: No sleep in Mavericks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-01 21:07 +1300
      Re: No sleep in Mavericks billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-01 14:56 +0000
    Re: No sleep in Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-01 03:06 +0000
      Re: No sleep in Mavericks dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-01-01 12:40 +0000
        Re: No sleep in Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-01 17:44 +0000
          Re: No sleep in Mavericks dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-01-01 20:36 +0000
            Re: No sleep in Mavericks J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-01 16:04 -0500
              Re: No sleep in Mavericks dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-01-02 09:32 +0000
    Re: No sleep in Mavericks J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-31 22:13 -0500
      Re: No sleep in Mavericks dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-01-01 12:40 +0000

#54157 — No sleep in Mavericks

Since I upgraded (?) my iMac from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, it will no
longer go to sleep on its own (though I can force sleepmanually).

I have been able to check that the reason is that mds_stores.maintenance
is running a background task, and I gather that this is something to do
with Spotlight.

But I haven't been able to figure out more than this (even after
googling). Does anyone know a way of working out precisely what is going
on? I have tried excluding various items from Spotlight, and also
excluding some items from my CrashPlan offsite backup. After a longish
period of time, that process stopped running and normal sleep came back,
but after a restart the process is again running and preventing sleep.

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#54169

In article <1lerdku.1rp1gu030jh04N%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
 dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:

> Since I upgraded (?) my iMac from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, it will no
> longer go to sleep on its own (though I can force sleepmanually).
> 
> I have been able to check that the reason is that mds_stores.maintenance
> is running a background task, and I gather that this is something to do
> with Spotlight.
> 
> But I haven't been able to figure out more than this (even after
> googling). Does anyone know a way of working out precisely what is going
> on? I have tried excluding various items from Spotlight, and also
> excluding some items from my CrashPlan offsite backup. After a longish
> period of time, that process stopped running and normal sleep came back,
> but after a restart the process is again running and preventing sleep.

This sounds like a bug. Have you looked at the Apple Support and 
Developer forums?  If you have an Apple Developer ID, look at the bug 
database and maybe it's already been reported to engineering.

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#54181

Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <1lerdku.1rp1gu030jh04N%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
>  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
> 
> > Since I upgraded (?) my iMac from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, it will no
> > longer go to sleep on its own (though I can force sleepmanually).
> > 
> > I have been able to check that the reason is that mds_stores.maintenance
> > is running a background task, and I gather that this is something to do
> > with Spotlight.
> > 
> > But I haven't been able to figure out more than this (even after
> > googling). Does anyone know a way of working out precisely what is going
> > on? I have tried excluding various items from Spotlight, and also
> > excluding some items from my CrashPlan offsite backup. After a longish
> > period of time, that process stopped running and normal sleep came back,
> > but after a restart the process is again running and preventing sleep.
> 
> This sounds like a bug. Have you looked at the Apple Support and 
> Developer forums?  If you have an Apple Developer ID, look at the bug
> database and maybe it's already been reported to engineering.

The general population of developers (whether at the free level or a
paid member of one of the developer programmes) does not have read
access to Apple's bug reporting database. We can see bugs that we
reported, but no others.

If Apple closes a bug report as a duplicate, they reference the existing
bug number, but we have no access to that bug (if it was reported by
someone else) so can't see the details.

It is an irritating system if you aren't the first reporter of a bug.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#54189

Michael Vilain <vilain@nospamcop.net> writes:

> This sounds like a bug. Have you looked at the Apple Support and 
> Developer forums?  If you have an Apple Developer ID, look at the bug 
> database and maybe it's already been reported to engineering.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2008/11/open-radar-using-social-networking-to-squash-apple-bugs/

| Open Radar: using social networking to squash Apple bugs
|
| This weekend Open Radar introduced open source bug tracking for
| Apple software ...
|
| by Erica Sadun - Nov 16, 2008 11:16 pm UTC
|
| It's always great when you see developers take matters into their
| own hands and turn ideas into something new and real. This weekend,
| developer Dave Dribin tweeted that he'd love to see a public rdar
| database. Rdar, better known as Radar, is Apple's internal bug
| reporting and tracking system. A big problem with Radar is that
| it is not publicly searchable or open in any other way. This
| frustrates developers who want to know if Apple is working on a
| particular bug and see what the status of those bugs might be. 
|
| http://openradar.appspot.com/faq

Even if it shows up here, I'd suggest reporting it anyway, if
only to add to the number of people complaining about it -

http://bugreport.apple.com/

Billy Y..
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#54174

On 2013-12-31, Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Since I upgraded (?) my iMac from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, it will no
> longer go to sleep on its own (though I can force sleepmanually).
>
> I have been able to check that the reason is that mds_stores.maintenance
> is running a background task, and I gather that this is something to do
> with Spotlight.
>
> But I haven't been able to figure out more than this (even after
> googling). Does anyone know a way of working out precisely what is going
> on? I have tried excluding various items from Spotlight, and also
> excluding some items from my CrashPlan offsite backup. After a longish
> period of time, that process stopped running and normal sleep came back,
> but after a restart the process is again running and preventing sleep.

Enter this command in a terminal window and paste the output in a reply
here, please:

pmset -g assertions

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#54188

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-31, Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > Since I upgraded (?) my iMac from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, it will no
> > longer go to sleep on its own (though I can force sleepmanually).
> >
> > I have been able to check that the reason is that mds_stores.maintenance
> > is running a background task, and I gather that this is something to do
> > with Spotlight.
> >
> > But I haven't been able to figure out more than this (even after
> > googling). Does anyone know a way of working out precisely what is going
> > on? I have tried excluding various items from Spotlight, and also
> > excluding some items from my CrashPlan offsite backup. After a longish
> > period of time, that process stopped running and normal sleep came back,
> > but after a restart the process is again running and preventing sleep.
> 
> Enter this command in a terminal window and paste the output in a reply
> here, please:
> 
> pmset -g assertions

Essentially that just says what I have already posted, nothing more
specific. But anyway here's the output

Assertion status system-wide:
   BackgroundTask                 1
   PreventDiskIdle                0
   ApplePushServiceTask           0
   UserIsActive                   0
   PreventUserIdleDisplaySleep    0
   InteractivePushServiceTask     0
   PreventSystemSleep             0
   ExternalMedia                  1
   PreventUserIdleSystemSleep     0
   NetworkClientActive            0
Listed by owning process:
   pid 16(powerd): [0x000000090000012c] 38:53:20 ExternalMedia named:
"com.apple.powermanagement.externalmediamounted" 
   pid 11(UserEventAgent): [0x0000000c000003bd] 35:15:17 BackgroundTask
named: "com.apple.metadata.mds_stores.maintenance" 
Kernel Assertions: 0x104=USB,MAGICWAKE
   id=501  level=255 0x4=USB mod=01/01/1970 01:09 description=EHC2
owner=AppleUSBEHCI
   id=502  level=255 0x4=USB mod=01/01/1970 01:12 description=UHC1
owner=AppleUSBUHCI
   id=507  level=255 0x100=MAGICWAKE mod=01/01/2014 11:30
description=en0 owner=en0
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#54202

On 2014-01-01, Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-12-31, Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> > Since I upgraded (?) my iMac from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, it will no
>> > longer go to sleep on its own (though I can force sleepmanually).
>> >
>> > I have been able to check that the reason is that mds_stores.maintenance
>> > is running a background task, and I gather that this is something to do
>> > with Spotlight.
>> >
>> > But I haven't been able to figure out more than this (even after
>> > googling). Does anyone know a way of working out precisely what is going
>> > on? I have tried excluding various items from Spotlight, and also
>> > excluding some items from my CrashPlan offsite backup. After a longish
>> > period of time, that process stopped running and normal sleep came back,
>> > but after a restart the process is again running and preventing sleep.
>> 
>> Enter this command in a terminal window and paste the output in a reply
>> here, please:
>> 
>> pmset -g assertions
>
> Essentially that just says what I have already posted, nothing more
> specific.

(snip)

Thanks, yep. I wonder if adding and then removing the drive in question
to the System Preferences > Spotlight > Privacy list would help.

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#54215

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I wonder if adding and then removing the drive in question
> to the System Preferences > Spotlight > Privacy list would help.

Tried it and I didn't think it helped. Will try again.
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#54218

On 1/1/14, 3:36 PM, Daniel Cohen wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if adding and then removing the drive in question
>> to the System Preferences > Spotlight > Privacy list would help.
>
> Tried it and I didn't think it helped. Will try again.
>
http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20110124224322791

This tells how to turn CrashPlan off and on, to see if it's the cause.

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#54257

J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 1/1/14, 3:36 PM, Daniel Cohen wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder if adding and then removing the drive in question
> >> to the System Preferences > Spotlight > Privacy list would help.
> >
> > Tried it and I didn't think it helped. Will try again.
> >
> http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20110124224322791
> 
> This tells how to turn CrashPlan off and on, to see if it's the cause.

 I would still have to work out what needs doing, as I certainly want to
use Crashplan. Useful to have this info anyway. Thanks.

At the moment things are Ok, after various juggling with Spotlight
privacy. Some of what I did must be overkill, and it would be nice to
get to the bottom of the problem and only exclude what I have to.

I added ALL my hard drives in the Privacy setting, including the Time
Machine drive snf my boot drive. Then restarted, removed Privacy from
the boot drive, but added both /Library and ~/Library to Privacy.

I am hoping that will solve it permanently. We'll see.


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The Labyrinth of the Heart: Changed Myths for Changing Lives 
book and e-book <http://www.decohen.com/labyrinth>
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#54175

On 12/31/13, 5:16 PM, Daniel Cohen wrote:
> Since I upgraded (?) my iMac from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, it will no
> longer go to sleep on its own (though I can force sleepmanually).
>
> I have been able to check that the reason is that mds_stores.maintenance
> is running a background task, and I gather that this is something to do
> with Spotlight.
>
> But I haven't been able to figure out more than this (even after
> googling). Does anyone know a way of working out precisely what is going
> on? I have tried excluding various items from Spotlight, and also
> excluding some items from my CrashPlan offsite backup. After a longish
> period of time, that process stopped running and normal sleep came back,
> but after a restart the process is again running and preventing sleep.
>
I don't know how CrashPlan works, but I wonder if it could be a vicious 
cycle between Spotlight and a CrashPlan folder in the Library.  Putting 
that folder in Privacy in Spotlight Preferences might stop it.

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#54187

J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I don't know how CrashPlan works, but I wonder if it could be a vicious
> cycle between Spotlight and a CrashPlan folder in the Library.  Putting
> that folder in Privacy in Spotlight Preferences might stop it.

That's my thought. But I was hoping someone might know how I could
discover which folder is being affected.

<http://www.decohen.com>
The Labyrinth of the Heart: Changed Myths for Changing Lives 
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