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  ot   window 7 guide? "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-27 02:22 -0500
    Re: ot   window 7 guide? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-27 00:06 -0800
      Re: ot   window 7 guide? "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-27 05:43 -0500
        Re: ot   window 7 guide? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 19:03 +0000
          Re: ot   window 7 guide? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-11-27 21:17 +0100
            Re: ot   window 7 guide? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 21:48 +0000
              Re: ot   window 7 guide? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-11-28 02:46 +0100
                Re: ot   window 7 guide? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 02:29 +0000
              Re: ot   window 7 guide? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-11-28 02:49 +0100
                Re: ot   window 7 guide? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 02:30 +0000
                  Re: ot   window 7 guide? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:34 +1300
              Re: ot   window 7 guide? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-11-28 10:12 +0100
                Re: ot   window 7 guide? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 23:31 +1300
        Re: ot   window 7 guide? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:35 +1300
          Re: ot   window 7 guide? "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-27 23:45 -0500
          Re: ot   window 7 guide? android <here@there.was> - 2013-11-28 07:09 +0100
            Re: ot   window 7 guide? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
              Re: ot   window 7 guide? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-11-28 10:17 +0100
    Re: ot   window 7 guide? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-11-27 18:02 +0100

#52741 — ot window 7 guide?

Trying to help a friend with various things electronic.  Sadly, she's 
using Windows 7 and I don't think she's up to plunging into new hardware 
and a new operating system.  I think she's pretty much at the very early 
stages of computer usage.  When I sent her an e-mail with   the manual 
for her tv attached she didn't know how to download it and I don't think 
she knows how to navigate through directories.

I don't know anything about Windows and I'm reluctant to try anything on 
her computer.  I have a vision of hitting a wrong key and inducing a 
blue screen of death or causing some sort of registry corruption.

I'm wondering if the Windows 7 for Dummies book would be a good 
reference/beginner's guide or if some other book might be more useful. 
Might keep a copy for myself if it was a good enough guide and intro. 
Any suggestions?

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#52743

In article <l746ki$4tr$1@dont-email.me>,
 "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:

> Trying to help a friend with various things electronic.  Sadly, she's 
> using Windows 7 and I don't think she's up to plunging into new hardware 
> and a new operating system.  I think she's pretty much at the very early 
> stages of computer usage.  When I sent her an e-mail with   the manual 
> for her tv attached she didn't know how to download it and I don't think 
> she knows how to navigate through directories.
> 
> I don't know anything about Windows and I'm reluctant to try anything on 
> her computer.  I have a vision of hitting a wrong key and inducing a 
> blue screen of death or causing some sort of registry corruption.
> 
> I'm wondering if the Windows 7 for Dummies book would be a good 
> reference/beginner's guide or if some other book might be more useful. 
> Might keep a copy for myself if it was a good enough guide and intro. 
> Any suggestions?

You're in a hard place, not having the same computer she uses nor 
knowing anything on how it works.  I'd step away from this situation and 
get her in contact with someone who can help her through her learning 
issues.  Some Community colleges, adult schools, and senior centers 
offer classes in computer competency.  She'd probably benefit from 
attending that.

Really. You're running a Mac on different hardware.  At best you can 
offer her a shoulder to cry on unless you're REALLY familiar with 
Windows and can imagine what she's doing in your head without doing it 
in front of you.

Or you can buy a VM (~ $80 for Fusion or Parallels) and Windows 7 (~$100 
for OEM CD) and run it on your system.  Then start Windows in MacOS and 
talk her through things together.  It will probably be cheaper for her 
to get help from somewhere else.

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#52748

On 11/27/13, 3:06 AM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <l746ki$4tr$1@dont-email.me>,
>   "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Trying to help a friend with various things electronic.  Sadly, she's
>> using Windows 7 and I don't think she's up to plunging into new hardware
>> and a new operating system.  I think she's pretty much at the very early
>> stages of computer usage.  When I sent her an e-mail with   the manual
>> for her tv attached she didn't know how to download it and I don't think
>> she knows how to navigate through directories.
>>
>> I don't know anything about Windows and I'm reluctant to try anything on
>> her computer.  I have a vision of hitting a wrong key and inducing a
>> blue screen of death or causing some sort of registry corruption.
>>
>> I'm wondering if the Windows 7 for Dummies book would be a good
>> reference/beginner's guide or if some other book might be more useful.
>> Might keep a copy for myself if it was a good enough guide and intro.
>> Any suggestions?
>
> You're in a hard place, not having the same computer she uses nor
> knowing anything on how it works.  I'd step away from this situation and
> get her in contact with someone who can help her through her learning
> issues.  Some Community colleges, adult schools, and senior centers
> offer classes in computer competency.  She'd probably benefit from
> attending that.
>
> Really. You're running a Mac on different hardware.  At best you can
> offer her a shoulder to cry on unless you're REALLY familiar with
> Windows and can imagine what she's doing in your head without doing it
> in front of you.
>
> Or you can buy a VM (~ $80 for Fusion or Parallels) and Windows 7 (~$100
> for OEM CD) and run it on your system.  Then start Windows in MacOS and
> talk her through things together.  It will probably be cheaper for her
> to get help from somewhere else.
>
Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple 
enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would 
show us both what ever it was she needed to know.

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#52751

On 2013-11-27, M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/13, 3:06 AM, Michael Vilain wrote:
>
> Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple 
> enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would 
> show us both what ever it was she needed to know.

Not many things are going to be simple for her if she chooses to stick
with Windows. 

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JR

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#52757

On 27.11.2013 20:03, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2013-11-27, M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 11/27/13, 3:06 AM, Michael Vilain wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple
>> enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would
>> show us both what ever it was she needed to know.
>
> Not many things are going to be simple for her if she chooses to stick
> with Windows.
>
Do you consider her THAT stupid?
You should not project your own insanity to others.

-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52763

On 2013-11-27, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 27.11.2013 20:03, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2013-11-27, M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/27/13, 3:06 AM, Michael Vilain wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple
>>> enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would
>>> show us both what ever it was she needed to know.
>>
>> Not many things are going to be simple for her if she chooses to stick
>> with Windows.
>>
> Do you consider her THAT stupid?

You are the one who mentioned her intelligence - not me. Do you honestly
expect me to have an opinion either way? I have never met the woman.

Anyone with significant experience with multiple platforms can tell you
one doesn't have to be particularly smart or stupid to encounter Windows
complications. Windows complicates things for its users with ease all by
itself. Other platforms remove a lot of those complications. Caveat
emptor.  ; )

> You should not project your own insanity to others.

What makes you think saying this to an insane person would have the
desired effect? Please think harder about this in the future.

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JR

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#52781

On 11/27/13 10:48 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Anyone with significant experience with multiple platforms can tell you

Tell me about experience with multiple platforms...

-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52783

On 2013-11-28, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/13 10:48 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Anyone with significant experience with multiple platforms can tell you
>
> Tell me about experience with multiple platforms...

What aspect were you wishing to learn about?

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#52782

On 11/27/13 10:48 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> I have never met the woman.

We all know: you are just trolling, projecting your own stupidity to others.

-- 
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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52784

On 2013-11-28, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/13 10:48 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> I have never met the woman.
>
> We all know: you are just trolling, projecting your own stupidity to others.

Did you have something of value to add?

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#52787

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-11-28, Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/27/13 10:48 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >> I have never met the woman.
> >
> > We all know: you are just trolling, projecting your own stupidity to others.
> 
> Did you have something of value to add?

I'm guessing there never was any value to begin with.
-- 
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#52803

On 27.11.2013 22:48, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> You should not project your own insanity to others.
> What makes you think saying this to an insane person would have the
> desired effect? Please think harder about this in the future.

I must admit that you are fully right.
Your answer is even an excellent one, congratulations!
I will really follow your advice, you convinced me, Thanks for this.
EOD.


-- 
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52805

Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 27.11.2013 22:48, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >> You should not project your own insanity to others.
> > What makes you think saying this to an insane person would have the
> > desired effect? Please think harder about this in the future.
> 
> I must admit that you are fully right.
> Your answer is even an excellent one, congratulations!
> I will really follow your advice, you convinced me, Thanks for this.
> EOD.

Not of trolling yet, huh?
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52788

M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:

> Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple 
> enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would
> show us both what ever it was she needed to know.

I always liked the Missing Manuals by David Pogue, but I fear they would
overwhelm a complete newbie. Instead I'd start her with a copy of 'PCs
for Dummies' (Windows 7 edition, by the excellent Dan Gookin of the
original DOS for Dummies fame)
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470465425/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&cam
p=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0470465425&linkCode=as2&tag=wizardli
ng-20> as she needs to learn computer basics, not just Win7 features.

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#52789

On 11/27/13, 10:35 PM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple
>> enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would
>> show us both what ever it was she needed to know.
>
> I always liked the Missing Manuals by David Pogue, but I fear they would
> overwhelm a complete newbie. Instead I'd start her with a copy of 'PCs
> for Dummies' (Windows 7 edition, by the excellent Dan Gookin of the
> original DOS for Dummies fame)
> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470465425/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&cam
> p=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0470465425&linkCode=as2&tag=wizardli
> ng-20> as she needs to learn computer basics, not just Win7 features.
>
Thanks for the suggestion.  Perhaps I'll flip through a copy in the 
library and check out the Pogue and Windows 7 for Dummies books as well.

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#52792

In article <1ld20et.9j54aiemfk3gN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple 
> > enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would
> > show us both what ever it was she needed to know.
> 
> I always liked the Missing Manuals by David Pogue, but I fear they would
> overwhelm a complete newbie. Instead I'd start her with a copy of 'PCs
> for Dummies' (Windows 7 edition, by the excellent Dan Gookin of the
> original DOS for Dummies fame)
> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470465425/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&cam
> p=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0470465425&linkCode=as2&tag=wizardli
> ng-20> as she needs to learn computer basics, not just Win7 features.

I don't think that it's wise to skip the basics.... There should be a 
tut on CP/M for beginners out there.
-- 
teleportation kills

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#52799

android <here@there.was> wrote:

> In article <1ld20et.9j54aiemfk3gN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple
> > > enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would
> > > show us both what ever it was she needed to know.
> > 
> > I always liked the Missing Manuals by David Pogue, but I fear they would
> > overwhelm a complete newbie. Instead I'd start her with a copy of 'PCs
> > for Dummies' (Windows 7 edition, by the excellent Dan Gookin of the
> > original DOS for Dummies fame)
> > <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470465425/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&cam
> > p=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0470465425&linkCode=as2&tag=wizardli
> > ng-20> as she needs to learn computer basics, not just Win7 features.
> 
> I don't think that it's wise to skip the basics.... There should be a
> tut on CP/M for beginners out there.

Well I'd really want to begin her on assembly, but I couldn't find a
decent beginner's guide to recommend :-\
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#52804

On 28.11.2013 09:34, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> android <here@there.was> wrote:
>
>> In article <1ld20et.9j54aiemfk3gN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>>   jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
>>
>>> M. John Matlaw <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, you're probably right.  I just thought if there was a simple
>>>> enough book, I could help her with the basic concepts and the book would
>>>> show us both what ever it was she needed to know.
>>>
>>> I always liked the Missing Manuals by David Pogue, but I fear they would
>>> overwhelm a complete newbie. Instead I'd start her with a copy of 'PCs
>>> for Dummies' (Windows 7 edition, by the excellent Dan Gookin of the
>>> original DOS for Dummies fame)
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470465425/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&cam
>>> p=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0470465425&linkCode=as2&tag=wizardli
>>> ng-20> as she needs to learn computer basics, not just Win7 features.
>>
>> I don't think that it's wise to skip the basics.... There should be a
>> tut on CP/M for beginners out there.
>
> Well I'd really want to begin her on assembly, but I couldn't find a
> decent beginner's guide to recommend :-\
>
You should never skip the real basics, else one will be lost in the 
dangerous jungle that's Windows...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra
:-0
-- 
One computer and three operating systems, not the other way round.
One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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#52750

On 27.11.2013 08:22, M. John Matlaw wrote:
> Trying to help a friend with various things electronic.  Sadly, she's
> using Windows 7 and I don't think she's up to plunging into new hardware
> and a new operating system.  I think she's pretty much at the very early
> stages of computer usage.  When I sent her an e-mail with   the manual
> for her tv attached she didn't know how to download it and I don't think
> she knows how to navigate through directories.
>
> I don't know anything about Windows and I'm reluctant to try anything on
> her computer.  I have a vision of hitting a wrong key and inducing a
> blue screen of death or causing some sort of registry corruption.
>
> I'm wondering if the Windows 7 for Dummies book would be a good
> reference/beginner's guide or if some other book might be more useful.
> Might keep a copy for myself if it was a good enough guide and intro.
> Any suggestions?

If you "have a vision of hitting a wrong key and inducing a  blue screen 
of death or causing some sort of registry corruption" you'd better send 
her a printed copy of the manual per snail-mail. That would probably 
match her's and your's skills  the best.


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One wife and many hotels, not the other way round ! ;-)

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