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Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks).

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  Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-27 08:08 -0500
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-27 10:10 -0400
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-27 14:16 +1300
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 21:23 -0400
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:37 +0000
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-26 23:09 -0400
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 11:00 -0400
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 19:49 -0500
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 12:30 -0400
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 17:41 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-28 21:52 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 18:03 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 16:00 -0700
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:03 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 23:39 -0400
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Zaidy036 <Zaidy036NoSpam@optonline.com> - 2013-10-31 07:36 +0000
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 10:30 -0700
      Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 12:21 -0700
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 10:20 -0600
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-28 18:15 +0100
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 12:31 -0600
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 18:38 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 12:16 -0500
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 18:22 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 15:57 -0700
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 20:56 -0600
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:57 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 00:47 -0400
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 02:02 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 21:38 -0400
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0700
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 00:50 -0400
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 22:21 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 09:09 -0400
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:05 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "857" <8571953@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 06:59 +1100
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:13 +0100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-29 12:59 -0600
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:07 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 11:00 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:22 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 14:53 -0400
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 14:56 -0400
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2013-10-30 21:01 +0000
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:28 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:28 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 09:17 -0400
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 15:01 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 13:35 -0400
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:28 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 15:36 -0400
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 01:46 +0000
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-01 22:20 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2013-11-02 08:26 +0100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-02 15:06 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 13:42 +0100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:37 +1100
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 06:24 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 19:32 +1100
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 04:48 +1100
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 22:45 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:32 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-05 09:13 +1300
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 11:19 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:18 +0100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-11-02 22:49 -0600
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:23 +0000
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:02 +0100
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 16:08 -0400
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:00 +0100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:28 -0700
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:42 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:53 -0700
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 17:29 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 09:41 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:33 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:58 -0700
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:30 +1100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:23 +1100
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:13 -0700
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:24 +1100
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 16:32 -0700
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 11:22 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 02:41 +0000
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:51 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:42 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:55 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:53 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:43 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 21:00 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-31 10:01 -0400
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-31 07:39 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:48 +1100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:21 -0600
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 19:58 -0700
                                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:32 -0600
                                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:03 -0700
                                                    Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-08 10:48 -0500
                                                      Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-08 21:34 -0700
                                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:06 -0600
                                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 20:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-09 22:36 -0500
                                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 21:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-11 09:58 +0000
                                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-10 09:49 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:38 +1100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:41 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:08 -0700
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:28 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:44 +1100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 17:52 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:28 +1100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:54 -0700
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:28 +1100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:08 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:15 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:11 -0700
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:22 +1100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 10:22 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:52 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:42 +1100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:17 +1100
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:24 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:38 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:53 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 08:34 +1100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:53 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 05:21 +1100
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 12:58 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 05:25 +1100
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-06 12:41 +0100
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:53 +1100
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:02 +0100
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-05 14:08 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-10-27 19:34 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 17:07 +0000
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000

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#50903 — Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks).

On 10/27/2013 10:30 AM PT, Ant typed:

>> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5460803 (lots of angry and upset
> posts) and
> https://www.change.org/petitions/apple-bring-the-100-offline-sync-for-ios-back
> ...

I also submitted a Bug Reporter (https://bugreport.apple.com/) ticket to 
have local sync(hronization) features back in 10.9+.
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#51068

At 27 Oct 2013 10:30:44 -0700 Ant wrote:
> On 10/26/2013 3:02 PM PT, Ant typed:
> 
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-
your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
> 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5460803 (lots of angry and upset
posts) and https://www.change.org/petitions/apple-bring-the-100-offline-
sync-for-ios-back ...


I had to smirk when reading this thread, only because as a participant on
Microsoft's Community support forums for Windows Phones, this is a giant
deja vu.  MS, in their infinite wisdom, removed USB PIM sync from their
Windows Phone OS in 2010, "forcing" users to sync via any number of cloud
methods (Exchange, Live/Hotmail, Google, etc.) and the crying, wailing,
and complaining had been a staple of the MS Community forums to this day.

Strap yourselves in- this will be a wild ride.  My favorite part will be
those who threaten to immediately (and ironically) switch to Android
(which, of course, pioneered cloud-only sync, via Google. To this day
there is no native Android USB PIM sync- the few awkward wired options
are provided by third-party apps or "second-party" apps added to phones
by OEMs like HTC or Samsung.)

There are myriads of workarounds if your concern is privacy, including
simply running your own CardDAV/CalDAV server on your own computer (or,
alternately, an Exchange/compatible server app if you're an
Outlook/Windows user) and becoming your own "cloud".  You'll still be
syncing wirelessly, but directly between your devices, rather than
storing your data on other intermediate servers.

I guess what surprised me the most about this, both back in 2010 with
Windows Phone, and now with iOS, is how many people are still syncing via
USB to create these vociferous protest groups kvetching about it.  I went
wireless long before being "forced" to using a variety of methods based
on what was available at the time, giving up wired PIM syncing long
before the iPhone even existed.  I'd think the number of people *wanting*
to sync via USB would be roughly equal to the number who prefer to
regularly communicate via fax machine!

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#51080

Am 28.10.2013 17:20, schrieb Todd Allcock:

> I went wireless long before being "forced" to using a variety of
> methods based on what was available at the time, giving up wired PIM
> syncing long before the iPhone even existed.

Your decision.

> I'd think the number of people *wanting* to sync via USB would be
> roughly equal to the number who prefer to regularly communicate via
> fax machine!

And I think that there are still many people out there (many more than 
you think), that would rather not put anything into any cloud - least 
any private information. Might be different in the US, but in Europe 
e.g. mentalities may differ quite a lot from the ones in the US. And the 
latest discussions about the NSA (and others) spying on basically 
everybody don't help here either...

Best regards,

Michael

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#51083

At 28 Oct 2013 18:15:52 +0100 Michael Eyd wrote:
> Am 28.10.2013 17:20, schrieb Todd Allcock:
> 
> > I went wireless long before being "forced" to using a variety of
> > methods based on what was available at the time, giving up wired PIM
> > syncing long before the iPhone even existed.
> 
> Your decision.
> 
> > I'd think the number of people *wanting* to sync via USB would be
> > roughly equal to the number who prefer to regularly communicate via
> > fax machine!
> 
> And I think that there are still many people out there (many more than
you think), that would rather not put anything into any cloud - least any
private information. Might be different in the US, but in Europe e.g.
mentalities may differ quite a lot from the ones in the US. And the
latest discussions about the NSA (and others) spying on basically
everybody don't help here either...


Fair enough, but as I said, there are plenty of "private cloud" options,
that allow you to sync your devices wirelessly with each other without a
cloud intermediary.  I suspect a smart guy or gal will quickly take
advantage of this news to develop (or repackage a few open source tools,
to create) a simple solution for OS X users (much like how a small dev @
Akruto.com seems to be making a decent living peddling his $25 cloudless
Outlook-to-Winodws/Android phone faux-Exchange server software to cloud-
phobic Windows users.  There's no reason it wouldn't work on iPhones as
well, if/when Apple drops USB PIM sync support from iTunes, since iOS
supports Exchange.)

The USB methodology was a reasonable one when we all had one or two PCs
and a Palm Pilot (anyone besides me remember the days of using your Palm
or Pocket PC to keep the contacts and calendar on your desktop and laptop
PCs in sync?), but it fails when we're trying to sync several computers,
a few phones, and a tablet or two with the same data store.

I don't think either MS or Apple are/were up to anything nefarious (e.g.
"forcing us to the cloud") by dropping USB support- they both likely just
hit a wall in their development cycles where they deemed the cost of
continuing such support was no longer practical given the robust and
popular alternatives they and others offer.  With MS, it was their new
Windows Phone OS- the old Windows Mobile OS had USB sync, but the new
(and incompatible) OS was incompatible with the existing USB sync software.
Since the new OS had media playing software loosely based on the failed
Zune media player, they opted to follow the path of least resistance (and
resources) use the existing Zune desktop sync software to sync media with
Windows Phones, but because the Zune software (unlike iTunes) didn't
support PIM sync, MS declared wireless Exchange Activesync (which already
existed, and the phone needed to support anyway) would be the sole PIM
sync method, requiring no new sync software to be written.

As incompetent as most here probably think MS is, they didn't make the
decision lightly- they had data from their prior mobile efforts guiding
them, which told them far fewer than 50% of Windows Mobile users had
*ever* plugged their phone into a PC to sync *anything* (and this was at
a time when MS offered no free comprehensive wireless sync options-
Exchange sync required an Exchange server or a monthly subscription for
Exchange hosting.) So, prior to the launch of the new Windows Phone OS,
MS added Exchange Activesync support to their free Live/Hotmail accounts
allowing free wireless PIM sync with Outlook (using a Microsoft cloud
account as an intermediary) to any EAS-compatible device (Windows Phone,
Android, iOS, Symbian, etc.), rendering USB sync, in their opinion, if
not unnecessary, at least an edge-case scenario.  

Fast forward to 2013, when Apple is releasing a new desktop OS, and,
well, we all know what Apple thinks of "edge cases"...  ;) I'm sure some
one at Apple looked at the cost of building iOS/Mac PIM sync services
into 10.9 and said "F--k it! Let them eat iCloud! Android never had USB
sync, and Microsoft, the poster child for legacy support and backwards
compatibility, stopped supporting USB sync three years ago!"  

Ironically, Apple, the first company to drop "legacy" floopy disks and
optical drives from their products is actually the last company to
support turn-of-the-century Palm Pilot sync technology (which also wreaks
havoc with less savvy users that turn on both wired and iCloud sync and
get to slog through the duplicate data that often creates.) So, while I
certainly sympathise with those who wish to keep their data under their
exclusive control, they are now a minority who will have to expend a
little more effort to continue (e.g. setting up a local server/"private
cloud") maintaining that level of security. (And, perhaps, actually end
up better off after all, with the conveniences and benefits of cloud sync
without the privacy sacrifices.) If Akruto Sync or Companion Link for
Outlook/Windows filling the void in the Windows Phone/Android ecosystems
is any indication, this might help bolster the market for easy-to-use
"private cloud" apps for home computers that might convince more folks to
re-examine their blind faith in the cloud products from Apple, MS, and
Google and at least taking a second look at the risks/rewards/benefits of
cloud services vs. using local servers for PIM, media, etc.

Or, we might all just let the NSA know everything there is to know about
us from our friends, to our favorite restaurants, to our kids' soccer
schedules...  ;)

 

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#51101

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
...
> 
> 
> Fair enough, but as I said, there are plenty of "private cloud" options,
> that allow you to sync your devices wirelessly with each other without a
> cloud intermediary. 



 Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.


-- 
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#51122

Erilar:
>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.

Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.

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#51207

Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Erilar:
>>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
>> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
> 
> Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
> let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
> everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
> cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.

I don't have it the moment I walk out my door.  I don't have it in my car.
I don't have it outdoors amywhere I've looked something up yet.  None of my
internet- dependent apps work in such places. That"s why i load my iPad
with things that work amywhere, particularly for travel.  I realize I'm not
"everyone", but I don't really believe I an unique in this reect.

-- 
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#51211

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Erilar:
>>>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
>>> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
>> 
>> Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
>> let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
>> everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
>> cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.
> 
> I don't have it the moment I walk out my door.  I don't have it in my car.
> I don't have it outdoors amywhere I've looked something up yet.  None of my
> internet- dependent apps work in such places. That"s why i load my iPad
> with things that work amywhere, particularly for travel.  I realize I'm not
> "everyone", but I don't really believe I an unique in this reect.


I have no objection to cloud-sync being available for those who want to use
it.
I do object to it being the only option.

So do a lot of other people, apparently.

And BTW that cloud access isn't free when I'm using it on cell data -- does
it have to sync very time you make a change on the device when you're out &
about? or will it sync only on your demand (so you can save that $data for
what *you* want to use to for)?
bj

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#51214

bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>>> Erilar:
>>>>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
>>>> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
>>> 
>>> Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
>>> let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
>>> everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
>>> cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.
>> 
>> I don't have it the moment I walk out my door.  I don't have it in my car.
>> I don't have it outdoors amywhere I've looked something up yet.  None of my
>> internet- dependent apps work in such places. That"s why i load my iPad
>> with things that work amywhere, particularly for travel.  I realize I'm not
>> "everyone", but I don't really believe I an unique in this reect.
> 
> 
> I have no objection to cloud-sync being available for those who want to use
> it.
> I do object to it being the only option.
> 
> So do a lot of other people, apparently.
> 
> And BTW that cloud access isn't free when I'm using it on cell data -- does
> it have to sync very time you make a change on the device when you're out &
> about? or will it sync only on your demand (so you can save that $data for
> what *you* want to use to for)?
> bj
I don't pretend to know, but am nevertheless pretty sure there'd be a
charge every time.

-- 
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#51124

In article <l4mibh$h8n$2@dont-email.me>,
 Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> ...
> > 
> > 
> > Fair enough, but as I said, there are plenty of "private cloud" options,
> > that allow you to sync your devices wirelessly with each other without a
> > cloud intermediary. 
> 
> 
> 
>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.

I don't use the iCloud stuff.  I've heard bad things here about 
synchronization problems causing bookmarks and calendar entries to 
disappear.  I use Google Calendar and a client for that and have had no 
problems.  I use Google Contacts and the 10.8 Contacts + CoBook and, 
while I've had stuff on the android phone not synch up, from Google to 
the phone works just fine.

My iTouch 4th gen is only used for the Google Calendar client, music, 
and books.  My life is just fine without iCloud.  When I run Linux, I 
can still access the data in Dropbox.

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#51147

At 28 Oct 2013 20:44:33 +0000 Erilar wrote:
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> ...
> > 
> > 
> > Fair enough, but as I said, there are plenty of "private cloud"
options,
> > that allow you to sync your devices wirelessly with each other
without a
> > cloud intermediary. 
> 
> 
> 
>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full-
time
> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
> 
> 

This one is one of my favorite anti-cloud sync responses, since it makes
virtualy no sense once you think about it. Remember, we're talking about
syncing data via the cloud as a replacement for direct sync from a
computer to a mobile. Even part-time cloud access has to be more frequent
than syncing with your desktop, which by definition only happens at home.
So let's say you're going to vacation in Antarctica for two weeks and
won't have any internet access.  Unless you were planning on bringing
your sync PC on vacation with you as well, you are really no worse off
without the cloud- any pending changes will patiently wait until your
next connection, just like with USB.

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#51150

Erilar:
> >  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full-
> > time cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.

Todd Allcock:
> This one is one of my favorite anti-cloud sync responses, since it makes
> virtualy no sense once you think about it. Remember, we're talking about
> syncing data via the cloud as a replacement for direct sync from a
> computer to a mobile. Even part-time cloud access has to be more frequent
> than syncing with your desktop, which by definition only happens at home.
> So let's say you're going to vacation in Antarctica for two weeks and
> won't have any internet access.  Unless you were planning on bringing
> your sync PC on vacation with you as well, you are really no worse off
> without the cloud- any pending changes will patiently wait until your
> next connection, just like with USB.

Bingo. And on a real-world vacation, which is likely to be just about
anywhere but Antarctica, one has frequent access to the cloud via
widespread WiFi hotspots. I don't know what all the fuss is about; why
some people drag their feet and complain at anything and everything
that is new and even slightly different--especially when the
convenience is so obvious. For those who have no need or desire to stay
in touch and up-to-date, I say that's fine, but then why do you have a
mobile computer in your pocket or purse?

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you will say in your entire life.

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#51153

On 10/28/13 10:56 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 28 Oct 2013 20:44:33 +0000 Erilar wrote:
>> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair enough, but as I said, there are plenty of "private cloud"
> options,
>>> that allow you to sync your devices wirelessly with each other
> without a
>>> cloud intermediary.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full-
> time
>> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
>>
>>
>
> This one is one of my favorite anti-cloud sync responses, since it makes
> virtualy no sense once you think about it. Remember, we're talking about
> syncing data via the cloud as a replacement for direct sync from a
> computer to a mobile. Even part-time cloud access has to be more frequent
> than syncing with your desktop, which by definition only happens at home.
> So let's say you're going to vacation in Antarctica for two weeks and
> won't have any internet access.  Unless you were planning on bringing
> your sync PC on vacation with you as well, you are really no worse off
> without the cloud- any pending changes will patiently wait until your
> next connection, just like with USB.

When I go on vacation, I take my LAPTOP (MacBook Pro) with me. It syncs 
via USB even when I am unable to connect to the internet. I often 
vacation in locations where the only internet access is via a cellular 
connection, and I choose not to use my limited access for syncing. 
Personally, I think it's ridiculous that the only data path between my 
device and the computer next to it, is via a server thousands of miles away.

I think I'll be looking into the options to create my own cloud. At 
least then I can (presumably) bring a WiFi base station with me and 
create my own local net. [Unfortunately, that means I'll have to delay 
upgrading to Mavericks.] Ironically, I'll still be connecting my 
iDevices to USB, because that's how I charge them.

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#51159

Ed Anson:
> When I go on vacation, I take my LAPTOP (MacBook Pro) with me.

Good for you. I used to do that. And then came iPad.

> It syncs 
> via USB even when I am unable to connect to the internet. I often 
> vacation in locations where the only internet access is via a cellular 
> connection, and I choose not to use my limited access for syncing.

OK, we vacation in different kinds of places. Got to have a certain
degree of luxury, including broadband WiFi, or I'm not interested.

> Personally, I think it's ridiculous that the only data path between my 
> device and the computer next to it, is via a server thousands of miles away.

Personally, I think it's marvelous that there is a data path between my
device and seven or eight others that may be on the other side of the
world.

> I think I'll be looking into the options to create my own cloud. At 
> least then I can (presumably) bring a WiFi base station with me and 
> create my own local net. [Unfortunately, that means I'll have to delay 
> upgrading to Mavericks.] Ironically, I'll still be connecting my 
> iDevices to USB, because that's how I charge them.

So now you'll be carrying your iThingie, your MBP, and a WiFi router.
Sounds like a fun vacation!

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you will say in your entire life.

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#51286

On 10/29/13 2:02 AM, Davoud wrote:
> Ed Anson:
>> When I go on vacation, I take my LAPTOP (MacBook Pro) with me.
>
> Good for you. I used to do that. And then came iPad.

Yep. I take that along, too.

>
>> It syncs
>> via USB even when I am unable to connect to the internet. I often
>> vacation in locations where the only internet access is via a cellular
>> connection, and I choose not to use my limited access for syncing.
>
> OK, we vacation in different kinds of places. Got to have a certain
> degree of luxury, including broadband WiFi, or I'm not interested.

I occasionally visit my parents. They don't have internet, let alone WiFi.

I also greatly enjoy the national parks, which are often cellular free, 
not to mention WiFi.

>
>> Personally, I think it's ridiculous that the only data path between my
>> device and the computer next to it, is via a server thousands of miles away.
>
> Personally, I think it's marvelous that there is a data path between my
> device and seven or eight others that may be on the other side of the
> world.

I agree. I just think it's ridiculous to send data ten inches via a path 
that is ten thousand miles long.

>
>> I think I'll be looking into the options to create my own cloud. At
>> least then I can (presumably) bring a WiFi base station with me and
>> create my own local net. [Unfortunately, that means I'll have to delay
>> upgrading to Mavericks.] Ironically, I'll still be connecting my
>> iDevices to USB, because that's how I charge them.
>
> So now you'll be carrying your iThingie, your MBP, and a WiFi router.
> Sounds like a fun vacation!

I would prefer not to need the WiFi router. I haven't needed one up 
until now. I guess that's just part of the cost of the upgrade to Mavericks.

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#51289

On 2013-10-30 01:38:30 +0000, Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> said:

> On 10/29/13 2:02 AM, Davoud wrote:
>> Ed Anson:
>>> When I go on vacation, I take my LAPTOP (MacBook Pro) with me.
>> 
>> Good for you. I used to do that. And then came iPad.
> 
> Yep. I take that along, too.
> 
>> 
>>> It syncs
>>> via USB even when I am unable to connect to the internet. I often
>>> vacation in locations where the only internet access is via a cellular
>>> connection, and I choose not to use my limited access for syncing.
>> 
>> OK, we vacation in different kinds of places. Got to have a certain
>> degree of luxury, including broadband WiFi, or I'm not interested.
> 
> I occasionally visit my parents. They don't have internet, let alone WiFi.

OK!

> I also greatly enjoy the national parks, which are often cellular free, 
> not to mention WiFi.

While it is unreasonable to find Wi-Fi covering entire National Parks, 
I can vouch for reliable Wi-Fi at the Yosemite Lodge (& a reasonable 
amount of cell service), Wuksachi Lodge at Sequoia NP and at the 
Wilsonia/Grant Grove Visitor's Center. Move away from any of those 
areas and you are back in the wilderness so to speak. Cell service at 
Kings Canyon-Sequoia is a bit more sketchy, and once you head down into 
Kings Canyon it is non-existant.



-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51302

Ed Anson:
> >> Personally, I think it's ridiculous that the only data path between my
> >> device and the computer next to it, is via a server thousands of miles
> >> away.

Davoud:
> > Personally, I think it's marvelous that there is a data path between my
> > device and seven or eight others that may be on the other side of the
> > world.

Ed Anson:
> I agree. I just think it's ridiculous to send data ten inches via a path 
> that is ten thousand miles long.

Disagree. It's the way the packet-switched network operates. Why should
I concern myself over the path, when light travels at 300,000 km/sec?

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#51206

.
> 
> When I go on vacation, I take my LAPTOP (MacBook Pro) with me. It syncs
> via USB even when I am unable to connect to the internet. I often
> vacation in locations where the only internet access is via a cellular
> connection, and I choose not to use my limited access for syncing.
> Personally, I think it's ridiculous that the only data path between my
> device and the computer next to it, is via a server thousands of miles away.
> 
> I think I'll be looking into the options to create my own cloud. At least
> then I can (presumably) bring a WiFi base station with me and create my
> own local net. [Unfortunately, that means I'll have to delay upgrading to
> Mavericks.] Ironically, I'll still be connecting my iDevices to USB,
> because that's how I charge them.

I use the cloud thing for email away from home because it lets me use my
regular mail program rather than the miserable excuse for one my ISP's
webmail provides. My Kindle and Nook books are backed up there, but things
in iBooks are backed up on my laptop. When I sync, my laptop is next to
iPod or iPad.  I use the same cable I use to charge them. 

Every so often I read about something newer devices or OSs do that mine
can't, but when I learn about the changes they trail along with them, i am
quickly dissuaded. This is yet another.
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#51288

On 10/29/13 12:47 AM, Ed Anson wrote:
> I think I'll be looking into the options to create my own cloud.

In order to check out the feasibility of using OS X Server to sync my 
devices, I went to the App Store. It turns out that the version that 
works with Mountain Lion is no longer available. The (new) version 
requires Mavericks. [And -- according to the reviews -- it's buggy.]

So now I can't determine whether Mavericks will work for me without 
first updating to Mavericks. Catch-22?

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#51339

In article <Y5KdnQUWucHU8O3PnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 10/29/13 12:47 AM, Ed Anson wrote:
> > I think I'll be looking into the options to create my own cloud.
> 
> In order to check out the feasibility of using OS X Server to sync my 
> devices, I went to the App Store. It turns out that the version that 
> works with Mountain Lion is no longer available. The (new) version 
> requires Mavericks. [And -- according to the reviews -- it's buggy.]
> 
> So now I can't determine whether Mavericks will work for me without 
> first updating to Mavericks. Catch-22?

Which brings up what may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway 
(grin).
     Can one create one's own cloud remotely? For instance, could I set 
up a cloud to back up my computer to at my Brother's house in Seattle. 
Sorta like Kurtbonite (grin).
-- 
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital.²
                       ‹ Aaron Levenstein

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