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  Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-10-29 06:42 -0400
    Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 07:47 -0700
      Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 12:13 -0400
        Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? John White <jccw@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 14:46 -0400
          Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 15:04 -0400
        Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:46 +0000
          Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 20:24 -0400
            Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 00:58 -0400
              Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:30 -0400
              Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> - 2013-11-11 04:35 -0800
                Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 11:01 -0500
                  Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> - 2013-11-20 06:41 -0800
                    Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-20 09:49 -0800
                    Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-20 13:14 -0600
                      Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-11-22 07:13 +0100
                        Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> - 2013-11-23 17:14 -0800
                          Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-24 15:12 +1300
                    Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 02:15 -0500
                      Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-21 10:40 -0800
                        Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 03:23 -0500
                          Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-23 11:49 -0800
                            Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-23 15:05 -0800
                              Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-24 16:09 -0800
                                Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-24 17:47 -0800
                                  Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-24 18:39 -0800
                    Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-21 10:31 -0800
            Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> - 2013-11-11 04:29 -0800
              Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-11 08:21 -0700
        Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-29 18:47 -0600
          Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 17:56 -0700
            Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 23:48 -0400
      Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 14:32 -0400
        Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? android <here@there.was> - 2013-10-30 21:19 +0100
      Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-29 15:14 -0600
        Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 16:05 -0700
      Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-11-20 18:11 -0500
    Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> - 2013-10-29 21:46 -0700
      Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 09:44 -0400
    Re: Mavericks-Can't Open Folder in New Window? genesurber@gmail.com - 2013-11-21 22:06 -0800

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#52556

 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_391.jpg

Curious, that's the first time I've noted somewone that used filechute 
within dropbox...

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#52568

On 2013-11-23 19:49:56 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:

>  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_391.jpg
> 
> Curious, that's the first time I've noted somewone that used filechute 
> within dropbox...

I used to use Filechute with iDisc, then me.com, now I use it with 
Dropbox. They have actually made teaming with DB very simple and they 
are promoting the use of FileChute with DB. I find it to be a pretty 
convenient tool.
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_403.jpg >

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52614

On 2013-11-23 23:05:20 +0000, Savageduck said:

> On 2013-11-23 19:49:56 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
> 
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_391.jpg
>> 
>> Curious, that's the first time I've noted somewone that used filechute 
>> within dropbox...
> 
> I used to use Filechute with iDisc, then me.com, now I use it with 
> Dropbox. They have actually made teaming with DB very simple and they 
> are promoting the use of FileChute with DB. I find it to be a pretty 
> convenient tool.
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_403.jpg >

I'm a long time user of Filechute and have just started using dropbox 
regularly.

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#52620

On 2013-11-25 00:09:55 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:

> On 2013-11-23 23:05:20 +0000, Savageduck said:
> 
>> On 2013-11-23 19:49:56 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
>> 
>>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_391.jpg
>>> 
>>> Curious, that's the first time I've noted somewone that used filechute 
>>> within dropbox...
>> 
>> I used to use Filechute with iDisc, then me.com, now I use it with 
>> Dropbox. They have actually made teaming with DB very simple and they 
>> are promoting the use of FileChute with DB. I find it to be a pretty 
>> convenient tool.
>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_403.jpg >
> 
> I'm a long time user of Filechute and have just started using dropbox 
> regularly.

Easy enough to set up. just go to your Filechute preferences and add an 
account. You will need an enabled "Public" Dropbox folder, and 
Filechute even makes that simple.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52622

On 2013-11-25 01:47:35 +0000, Savageduck said:

> On 2013-11-25 00:09:55 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
> 
>> On 2013-11-23 23:05:20 +0000, Savageduck said:
>> 
>>> On 2013-11-23 19:49:56 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
>>> 
>>>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_391.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> Curious, that's the first time I've noted somewone that used filechute 
>>>> within dropbox...
>>> 
>>> I used to use Filechute with iDisc, then me.com, now I use it with 
>>> Dropbox. They have actually made teaming with DB very simple and they 
>>> are promoting the use of FileChute with DB. I find it to be a pretty 
>>> convenient tool.
>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_403.jpg >
>> 
>> I'm a long time user of Filechute and have just started using dropbox 
>> regularly.
> 
> Easy enough to set up. just go to your Filechute preferences and add an 
> account. You will need an enabled "Public" Dropbox folder, and 
> Filechute even makes that simple.

I've fot them both there, but don't have filechute *within* dropbox.  I 
have my own domain, where I use filechute, and then have started using 
Dropbox and so have a filechute-accessable "chute" for that. The former 
chute isn't anonymous, of course, and the latter is.

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#52488

On 2013-11-20 14:41:57 +0000, Julian Vrieslander 
<MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> said:

> In article <fredp151-253F88.11014116112013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ussed to be that I would complain about the low-res quality of Windows
>> OS desktops.  How times have changed...
>> 
>> Macs usually have some of the most gorgeous hi-res desktop pictures I've
>> ever seen (usually tucked away in the Desktop Pictures screensaver
>> folder).
> 
> I'm an advanced amateur photographer, shooting SLRs and DSRs for over 40
> years.  Like you, I tend to be fussy about images.  But for my desktop,
> I just use the solid medium gray option.
> 
> This makes it easier to read file names for icons on my desktop. A
> uniform grey background does not bias my color judgments when I am doing
> critical image editing in Photoshop.  The new HiDPI ("Retina") displays
> are more prone to temporary image persistence, so a desktop picture can
> cause a bit of ghosting when a new window is opened.
> 
> And there's a sentimental reason - the gray background reminds me of my
> first Mac, back in 1984...

Then you might like something such as this:
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_390.jpg >

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#52131

In article <l4pjkp$ref$2@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> Then it has intentionally been made grainy.  Or they took a small one 
> and enlarged it for some reason.

Yes, it's a nice image for a desktop, but (technically) this is not a 
very high quality photo.  The huge dimensions of the file suggest that 
Apple might have a 4K screen in the pipeline.

Hey, notice how I cleverly sneaked another surfing reference into this 
post?

-- 
Julian Vrieslander

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#52138

In article <MY_FIRST_NAME-6B4543.04294611112013@news.giganews.com>,
Julian Vrieslander <MY_FIRST_NAME@MY_LAST_NAME.com> wrote:

> > Then it has intentionally been made grainy.  Or they took a small
> > one and enlarged it for some reason.
> 
> Yes, it's a nice image for a desktop, but (technically) this is not a
> very high quality photo.  The huge dimensions of the file suggest
> that Apple might have a 4K screen in the pipeline.
> 
> Hey, notice how I cleverly sneaked another surfing reference into
> this post?

Not until you mentioned it.

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#51278

Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> And it is apparently a small photo, so it looks grainy when stretched to
> my screen size.

/Library/Desktop Pictures/Wave.jpg is a 5120 x 2880 pixel image with a
file size of about 9MB. Those "grains" are small ripples on the surface
of the water. 

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#51281

In article <1lbimhp.98vwe8hv9q0wN%nmassello@yahoo.com>, Neill Massello
<nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > And it is apparently a small photo, so it looks grainy when stretched to
> > my screen size.
> 
> /Library/Desktop Pictures/Wave.jpg is a 5120 x 2880 pixel image with a
> file size of about 9MB. Those "grains" are small ripples on the surface
> of the water. 

Yup, that's what they are.  Compare that to snow.jpg in the same folder
to see another example of small ripples on the surface of something.

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#51293

On 10-29-2013, 20:56, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <1lbimhp.98vwe8hv9q0wN%nmassello@yahoo.com>, Neill Massello
> <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> And it is apparently a small photo, so it looks grainy when stretched to
>>> my screen size.
>>
>> /Library/Desktop Pictures/Wave.jpg is a 5120 x 2880 pixel image with a
>> file size of about 9MB. Those "grains" are small ripples on the surface
>> of the water.
>
> Yup, that's what they are.  Compare that to snow.jpg in the same folder
> to see another example of small ripples on the surface of something.

I understand that water has ripples.  But these really do look like 
flaws in the picture.  Or like someone was trying to imitate an oil 
painting.  The quality of the picture, though, is not what irritates me. 
  It's that the upgrade changed or deleted so many pref. files.

All the more irritating is that I seem to have been singled out for this 
treatment.  Not that I wish it on anyone else.

-- 
Wes Groleau

Always listen to experts.  They'll tell you
what can't be done and why.  Then do it.
                     — Robert A. Heinlein

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#51218

In article <291020130747587194%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > It appears that mavericks has fundamentally changed the way you open 
> > folders.
> > 
> > It used to be that there was a preferene setting that allowed you to 
> > open a folder inside a new window.  Mavericks has now gotten rid of that 
> > option.
> > 
> > Now, it appears that you have to Opt-Click the folder to open it in it's 
> > own window.  Why?  How does adding a key modifier make things better?
> 
> It used to be that if you double-clicked a folder, it would open in the
> same window, and you could use the back arrow to move back to the
> previous window.  Strike "used to be" because it's still the same way.
> 
> Ditto for option double clicking a folder; it used to and still opens
> the folder while closing the enclosing folder.
> 
> The change is that previously, command-double clicking a folder would
> open it in a new window; now it opens it in a new tab in the same
> window.

no, the change is there used to be a preference for new window, and now
it's gone. 

> > Added to the loss of MT-Newswatcher,
> 
> Blame that on Simon Frasier; he stopped developing MNNW years ago. Open
> Transport was deprecated many versions of OS X ago, and finally removed
> in Mavericks.

doesn't matter who is at fault. at the end of the day, mtnw no longer
works. 

there are alternatives, but it's still an issue. 

the same issue happened with lion when rosetta went away. those who had
powerpc apps had to find alternatives. 

> > Oh, and "Mavericks" is still a pretty crappy name for an operating 
> > system.  I wonder why they didn't spell it with an "X"?
> 
> Because the surfing site it's named after is named "Mavericks".

still a dumb name.

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#51387

In article <291020131432411860%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > Oh, and "Mavericks" is still a pretty crappy name for an operating 
> > > system.  I wonder why they didn't spell it with an "X"?
> > 
> > Because the surfing site it's named after is named "Mavericks".
> 
> still a dumb name.

I took it to the bookshelf... It's apparently some kind of beef. You 
know cow! Combined with the bootshaped new Mc Pro... Think cowboys this 
year...
-- 
teleportation kills

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#51242

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> The change is that previously, command-double clicking a folder would
> open it in a new window; now it opens it in a new tab in the same
> window.

The old behavior can be restored by unchecking "Open folders in tabs
instead of new windows" in Finder Preferences. Pressing the Option key
toggles the contextual menu command between "Open in New Window" and
"Open in New Tab", the default being determined by the Finder setting. 

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#51261

In article <1lbic6r.yrvw6t1n1umn6N%nmassello@yahoo.com>, Neill Massello
<nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > The change is that previously, command-double clicking a folder would
> > open it in a new window; now it opens it in a new tab in the same
> > window.
> 
> The old behavior can be restored by unchecking "Open folders in tabs
> instead of new windows" in Finder Preferences. Pressing the Option key
> toggles the contextual menu command between "Open in New Window" and
> "Open in New Tab", the default being determined by the Finder setting. 

Thanks.  I had not investigated Finder Preferences yet.

-- Michelle

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#52459

In article <291020130747587194%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> The change is that previously, command-double clicking a folder would
> open it in a new window; now it opens it in a new tab in the same
> window.

You can change that in Finder Preferences so the folder opens in a new
window when cmd-clicking.

-- 
m-m
photo gallery:
http://mhmyers.com

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#51300

In article <fredp151-630A90.06420529102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> It appears that mavericks has fundamentally changed the way you open 
> folders.
> 
> It used to be that there was a preferene setting that allowed you to 
> open a folder inside a new window.  Mavericks has now gotten rid of that 
> option.

That was a big disappointment for me, too.  I filed a request to have 
this feature reinstalled, at the Apple feedback site:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Such requests will probably be futile, however.  My suspicion is that, 
with each major release, Apple will be moving OS X closer and closer to 
the iOS look and feel.  They are encouraging developers to emphasize 
full screen and single window GUIs.

-- 
Julian Vrieslander

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#51346

On 10-30-2013, 00:46, Julian Vrieslander wrote:
> Such requests will probably be futile, however.  My suspicion is that,
> with each major release, Apple will be moving OS X closer and closer to
> the iOS look and feel.  They are encouraging developers to emphasize
> full screen and single window GUIs.

Hey, guys, glad you like our multi-user, multi-tasking operating system.

But don't forget: everyone but your fellow geeks--in other words, 
99%--will be much happier if you can make it look like a single-use, 
single-task public kiosk.

(We'll be happier too, 'cause fewer people will notice we're not 
perfect.   #$%^#$% forgot to switch my #$%^$%^ mike off!)

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Armchair Activism: http://www.breakthechain.org/armchair.html

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#52507

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:42:05 AM UTC-4, FPP wrote:
> It appears that mavericks has fundamentally changed the way you open 
> 
> folders.
> 
> 
> 
> It used to be that there was a preferene setting that allowed you to 
> 
> open a folder inside a new window.  Mavericks has now gotten rid of that 
> 
> option.
> 
> 
> 
> Now, it appears that you have to Opt-Click the folder to open it in it's 
> 
> own window.  Why?  How does adding a key modifier make things better?
> 
> 
> 
> It's a minor annoyance - but it changes the way I've been working for 
> 
> years.  In a production setting, these little annoyances quickly become 
> 
> time wasting productivity killers.
> 
> 
> 
> Added to the loss of MT-Newswatcher, and the fact that my fonts in Pages 
> 
> look horrendous - well, Mavericks is leaving me with a decidedly bad 
> 
> taste in my mouth.
> 
> 
> 
> I also see that the "grid spacing" options in the finder is different - 
> 
> so now I have to shuffle my icons around to different positions in order 
> 
> to fit the same number in their customary positions.  Another "minor" 
> 
> annoyance.  BUT it's an annoyance that wasn't there in Mt Lion.
> 
> 
> 
> About the only plus I've noticed is that Font Book finally opens up in 
> 
> under 2 minutes.  That's actually quite an improvement over ML.
> 
> 
> 
> Oh, and "Mavericks" is still a pretty crappy name for an operating 
> 
> system.  I wonder why they didn't spell it with an "X"?  At least 
> 
> "MaverickX" would have been clever, as well as accurate...
> 
> 
> 
> FPP
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits."

Like you, I was finding this behavior in Mavericks to be more than irritating. For the life of me I can't fathom why Apple had to tinker with the fundamental way we worked. Why not simply add new features rather than remove them? The annoyance of the finder behavior was enough to simply keep me from using OS 10.9.
 
Well... this evening I think I found the answer.
 
A Logitech M510 Mouse.
 
Or... any of the M5 Logitech mice.
 
I have been using an alternative to the Apple mouse since I've owned a Mac... which is basically forever. Tonight it hit me... the Logitech mice installs a System Preference called "Logitech Control Center." So, if you have one of these mice, and you have installed the Logitech Control Center, then simply go to it, and assign the key command for opening folders in a new window. For example, the scroll wheel click on my Logitech mouse is now assigned "command + double click."
 
The result... when I click the wheel down on the top of my mouse on a folder... it opens in a new window.
 
While I'm at it... I use a Mac because the system (the OS and the hardware) gets out of the way and lets me do my work without having to fiddle and fuss and fight with it to be productive. That is the sole reason I have owned a Mac. With the release of Mavericks... apples wireless keyboard offing without an option for the numpad, the new Mac Pro which assumes we professionals are all just dying for more clutter on our desktop... and now OS 10.9 that determined I was better off having 1,300 of my book titles moved from a separate drive and literally buried in a hidden folder and renamed alpha numeric gibberish while at the same time totally doing away with very basic functions, such as "open folders in new windows," makes me wonder how much longer I will be able to stay on this platform. If Apple won't stop getting in the way of my work, why the heck should I pay them a premium price for having to fiddle with the most basic functions of a computer in order to be productive?

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