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  Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-24 13:52 -0500
    Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-24 14:05 -0600
    Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-25 09:13 +1300
    Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-24 17:24 -0400
      Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-24 20:34 -0500
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-25 05:10 +0000
          Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-24 22:43 -0700
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> - 2013-10-25 08:33 +0200
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:36 -0400
      Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-25 09:14 -0500
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:41 -0400
    Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-24 16:08 -0700
      Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-24 16:09 -0700
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-25 19:40 +1300
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-31 12:34 -0700
    Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-25 06:13 +0000
    Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-10-25 11:13 -0500
      Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-25 14:34 -0500
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-25 20:27 +0000
      Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-25 15:45 -0400
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-26 10:19 +1300
          Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-10-26 11:58 -0500
            Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 10:03 +1300
        Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-10-26 11:44 -0500
          Re: Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 10:04 +1300

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#50555 — Please Apple - Fix the Perspective in the Dock

As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates 
applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective 
rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common 
vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two 
edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock. If 
one were to then draw a line from the separator line in the dock that 
line should also go to the same intersection. However as the count of 
the icons to each side of the separator line increasingly differe in 
count the aforementioned line misses the intersecion by an increasing 
amount. Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using 
Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this 
disturbing (at least to me) appearance. However, at least as of now 
Docker is not available for Mavericks. I will be having a visit to the 
Genius Bar tomorrow and will see what kind of reaction I get. I'll post 
what happens.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#50562

TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using 
> Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this
> disturbing (at least to me) appearance. However, at least as of now 
> Docker is not available for Mavericks. 

See if the new Mavericks-only version of TinkerTool still has the option
to disable the Dock's 3D effect. 

<http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html>

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#50565

In article <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
<taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
> As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates 
> applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective 
> rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common 
> vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two 
> edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock. If 
> one were to then draw a line from the separator line in the dock that 
> line should also go to the same intersection. However as the count of 
> the icons to each side of the separator line increasingly differe in 
> count the aforementioned line misses the intersecion by an increasing 
> amount. Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using 
> Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this 
> disturbing (at least to me) appearance. However, at least as of now 
> Docker is not available for Mavericks. I will be having a visit to the 
> Genius Bar tomorrow and will see what kind of reaction I get. I'll post 
> what happens.

That dividing line is basically just another icon (as are the Dock's
edges for that matter). To have it dynamically alter the angle would
simply add yet more time to the CPU's load being wasted on gimmickry
and fluff - the angle would have to be constantly recalculated and a
new graphic drawn or lots of diffrent ones stored.

Realistically it's a non-issue, but maybe it will be "fixed" when all
system icons and graphics eventually move to vector formats rather than
bitmap ones.

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#50582

On 2013.10.24, 14:52 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
> As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates
> applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective
> rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common
> vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two
> edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock.

Yes of course.  In order to prioritize your request, please help us with 
the following information.

Please check one:

    [ ] This problem is slowing down my Mac

    [ ] This problem is making it impossible to run apps

    [ ] This problem is causing deep marital stress

    [ ] I'm going crosseyed

    [ ] I have no life

    [ ] all of the above


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#50620

On 2013-10-24 21:24:50 +0000, Alan Browne said:

In response to my bemoaning the incorrect perspective of the line in 
the dock which seperates the applications from the documents.

> Yes of course.  In order to prioritize your request, please help us 
> with the following information.
> 
> Please check one:
> 
>     [ ] This problem is slowing down my Mac
> 
>     [ ] This problem is making it impossible to run apps
> 
>     [ ] This problem is causing deep marital stress
> 
>     [ ] I'm going crosseyed
> 
>     [ ] I have no life
> 
>     [ ] all of the above

It is just that it is visually annoying, if not distracting.


-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#50642

In article <bcu05hFtluvU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

>  In response to my bemoaning the incorrect perspective of the line in 
>  the dock which seperates the applications from the documents.
> 
> > Yes of course.  In order to prioritize your request, please help us 
> > with the following information.
> > 
> > Please check one:
> > 
> >     [ ] This problem is slowing down my Mac
> > 
> >     [ ] This problem is making it impossible to run apps
> > 
> >     [ ] This problem is causing deep marital stress
> > 
> >     [ ] I'm going crosseyed
> > 
> >     [ ] I have no life
> > 
> >     [ ] all of the above
> 
>  It is just that it is visually annoying, if not distracting.

Yeah, the hours upon hours of work I've lost by this constant 
distraction... :)


-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#50644

In article <slrnl6jvlv.mj4.mr@irc.sandman.net>, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> In article <bcu05hFtluvU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft 
> <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
> >  In response to my bemoaning the incorrect perspective of the line in 
> >  the dock which seperates the applications from the documents.
> > 
> > > Yes of course.  In order to prioritize your request, please help us 
> > > with the following information.
> > > 
> > > Please check one:
> > > 
> > >     [ ] This problem is slowing down my Mac
> > > 
> > >     [ ] This problem is making it impossible to run apps
> > > 
> > >     [ ] This problem is causing deep marital stress
> > > 
> > >     [ ] I'm going crosseyed
> > > 
> > >     [ ] I have no life
> > > 
> > >     [ ] all of the above
> > 
> >  It is just that it is visually annoying, if not distracting.
> 
> Yeah, the hours upon hours of work I've lost by this constant 
> distraction... :)

Will correcting perspective consider the effect of magnification? Also the 
reflections don't point to the vanishing point or adjust with magnification. Can 
I get a can of worms icon?
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#50655

TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> writes:

> It is just that it is visually annoying, if not distracting.

You are perfectly right!  I have worked with OS X for years, and
_never_ noticed that problem; NOW that I have read your comments, my
eyes keep going to the dock and that line became indeed both annoying
and distracting...

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#50698

On 2013.10.24, 21:34 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
> On 2013-10-24 21:24:50 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
> In response to my bemoaning the incorrect perspective of the line in the
> dock which seperates the applications from the documents.
>
>> Yes of course.  In order to prioritize your request, please help us
>> with the following information.
>>
>> Please check one:
>>
>>     [ ] This problem is slowing down my Mac
>>
>>     [ ] This problem is making it impossible to run apps
>>
>>     [ ] This problem is causing deep marital stress
>>
>>     [ ] I'm going crosseyed
>>
>>     [ ] I have no life
>>
>>     [ ] all of the above
>
> It is just that it is visually annoying, if not distracting.

IIRC you've brought this up in the past here.  It did not get fixed.

Did you bring it up with Apple?  Nobody here has any influence, BTW, and 
it's doubtful if anyone at Apple officially reads this NG.

And frankly, it's a non-issue of monumental proportions.

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#50668

In article <ueGdnW35xYu-DfTPnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.24, 14:52 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
> > As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates
> > applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective
> > rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common
> > vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two
> > edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock.
> 
> Yes of course.  In order to prioritize your request, please help us with 
> the following information.
> 
> Please check one:
> 
>     [ ] This problem is slowing down my Mac
> 
>     [ ] This problem is making it impossible to run apps
> 
>     [ ] This problem is causing deep marital stress
> 
>     [ ] I'm going crosseyed
> 
>     [ ] I have no life
> 
>     [ ] all of the above

True, it may not be very important.  But really, if Apple is going to 
show perspective, shouldn't they do it right (people have known how for 
hundreds of years).

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#50702

On 2013.10.25, 10:14 , Matthew Lybanon wrote:
> In article <ueGdnW35xYu-DfTPnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.10.24, 14:52 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
>>> As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates
>>> applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective
>>> rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common
>>> vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two
>>> edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock.
>>
>> Yes of course.  In order to prioritize your request, please help us with
>> the following information.
>>
>> Please check one:
>>
>>      [ ] This problem is slowing down my Mac
>>
>>      [ ] This problem is making it impossible to run apps
>>
>>      [ ] This problem is causing deep marital stress
>>
>>      [ ] I'm going crosseyed
>>
>>      [ ] I have no life
>>
>>      [ ] all of the above
>
> True, it may not be very important.  But really, if Apple is going to
> show perspective, shouldn't they do it right (people have known how for
> hundreds of years).

I never even noticed this until it was brought up a couple years ago 
(probably by Mr. T).  And I promptly forgot about it.  And I'll forget 
about it again.

-- 
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#50595

In article <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net>,
 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates 
> applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective 
> rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common 
> vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two 
> edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock. If 
> one were to then draw a line from the separator line in the dock that 
> line should also go to the same intersection. However as the count of 
> the icons to each side of the separator line increasingly differe in 
> count the aforementioned line misses the intersecion by an increasing 
> amount. Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using 
> Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this 
> disturbing (at least to me) appearance. However, at least as of now 
> Docker is not available for Mavericks. I will be having a visit to the 
> Genius Bar tomorrow and will see what kind of reaction I get. I'll post 
> what happens.

Have you tried?:

defaults read com.apple.dock no-glass

defaults read com.apple.dock no-glass -float 1

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#50596

In article <jollyroger-F945C4.16083224102013@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
> > As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates 
> > applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective 
> > rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common 
> > vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two 
> > edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock. If 
> > one were to then draw a line from the separator line in the dock that 
> > line should also go to the same intersection. However as the count of 
> > the icons to each side of the separator line increasingly differe in 
> > count the aforementioned line misses the intersecion by an increasing 
> > amount. Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using 
> > Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this 
> > disturbing (at least to me) appearance. However, at least as of now 
> > Docker is not available for Mavericks. I will be having a visit to the 
> > Genius Bar tomorrow and will see what kind of reaction I get. I'll post 
> > what happens.
> 
> Have you tried?:
> 
> defaults read com.apple.dock no-glass
> 
> defaults read com.apple.dock no-glass -float 1

Oops, that last line should read:

defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -float 1

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#50656

In article <jollyroger-AD024C.16093424102013@news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <jollyroger-F945C4.16083224102013@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >  TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates 
> > > applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective 
> > > rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common 
> > > vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two 
> > > edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock. If 
> > > one were to then draw a line from the separator line in the dock that 
> > > line should also go to the same intersection. However as the count of 
> > > the icons to each side of the separator line increasingly differe in 
> > > count the aforementioned line misses the intersecion by an increasing 
> > > amount. Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using 
> > > Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this 
> > > disturbing (at least to me) appearance. However, at least as of now 
> > > Docker is not available for Mavericks. I will be having a visit to the 
> > > Genius Bar tomorrow and will see what kind of reaction I get. I'll post 
> > > what happens.
> > 
> > Have you tried?:
> > 
> > defaults read com.apple.dock no-glass
> > 
> > defaults read com.apple.dock no-glass -float 1
> 
> Oops, that last line should read:
> 
> defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -float 1

Even easier, just set the Preference option to

    - auto-hide the Dock and you'll only see it when you need to use it

and / or

    - set the Dock size to very small and you'll barely notice it
      isn't "correct"

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#51520

On 2013-10-24 23:09:34 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
> Oops, that last line should read:
> 
> defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -float 1

[followed by: killall Dock]

Nope.  Doesn't work any more in Mavericks.  It's been a stand-by for me 
for years for previous iterations.

I find it pretty annoying.  Instead, until I can get it fixed, I'll 
just hide the damned dock.  (which I do on smaller screens like my MBP 
anyway).

I guess I could put the dock on the side, but I find that even more 
annoying than the silly 3D-ish effect.

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#50650

In message <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net> 
  TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> As long as I can remember the line in Apple's dock which separates 
> applications from documents disagrees with the expected perspective 
> rules; that all lines that are parallel should lead to a common 
> vanishing point. If one draws a line whicch parallels each of the two 
> edges of the dock the lines will intersect somewhere above the dock. If 
> one were to then draw a line from the separator line in the dock that 
> line should also go to the same intersection. However as the count of 
> the icons to each side of the separator line increasingly differe in 
> count the aforementioned line misses the intersecion by an increasing 
> amount.

I've met some OCD people in my life, but egads!

-- 
"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

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#50675

In article <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net>,
 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using 
> Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this 
> disturbing (at least to me) appearance.

Because my monitor is much wider than it is tall (and I'm an old 
NeXT-y), I put my Dock on the right hand side.  Coincidentally, it is 
also not given a false perspective.  Hope this helps you in your 
"disturbing" struggle.

-- 
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My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
    and probably your server, too.

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#50685

On 2013-10-25 16:13:48 +0000, Doc O'Leary said:

> In article <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using
>> Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this
>> disturbing (at least to me) appearance.
> 
> Because my monitor is much wider than it is tall (and I'm an old
> NeXT-y), I put my Dock on the right hand side.  Coincidentally, it is
> also not given a false perspective.  Hope this helps you in your
> "disturbing" struggle.

Until there is a perspective correct solution for the dock on the 
bottom I've temporarily positioned it on the left side.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#50695

On 2013-10-25, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-25 16:13:48 +0000, Doc O'Leary said:
>
>> In article <bct8kbFouhpU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>  TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Because of this anomaly I have for a long time been using
>>> Docker to display the dock in a non perspective manner so to avoid this
>>> disturbing (at least to me) appearance.
>> 
>> Because my monitor is much wider than it is tall (and I'm an old
>> NeXT-y), I put my Dock on the right hand side.  Coincidentally, it is
>> also not given a false perspective.  Hope this helps you in your
>> "disturbing" struggle.
>
> Until there is a perspective correct solution for the dock on the 
> bottom I've temporarily positioned it on the left side.

My Dock has the perspective disabled (via: defaults write com.apple.dock 
no-glass -float 1; killall Dock) and is on the bottom and pinned to the 
right corner of my screen, so that the trash is always bottom-right.

(this will be my first post with slrn...)

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#50688

On 13-10-25 12:13, Doc O'Leary wrote:

> Because my monitor is much wider than it is tall (and I'm an old 
> NeXT-y), I put my Dock on the right hand side.  Coincidentally, it is 
> also not given a false perspective.  Hope this helps you in your 
> "disturbing" struggle.

That is just plain wrong. On wide screens, the dock should be on the
left side :-)

I have disabled the 3d look for the Dock, and all animations for it. I
have just learned to not leave any windows under the dock.

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