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  OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-03 01:34 -0400
    Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-03 19:06 +1200
      Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-04 18:35 -0400
        Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 13:30 +1200
          Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-04 21:30 -0400
            Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-05 14:48 +1200
              Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-05 05:40 -0400
                Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-05 05:57 -0400
                  Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 07:38 -0700
                  Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 09:51 +1300
                Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 07:37 -0700
                  Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-10-12 10:18 -0700
                    Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-13 10:34 +1300
                      Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-12 22:07 -0500
                        Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-13 16:48 +1300
                          Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-12 23:06 -0500
                Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 09:47 +1300
                  Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-05 19:02 -0400
                    Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-06 17:22 +1300
                      Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-06 02:35 -0400
                        Re: OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-06 08:21 -0700

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#49279 — OT: Steve Jobs' childhood home could become historical site

BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24368472

Steve Jobs' childhood home 'could become historical site'

2 October 2013 Last updated at 16:19 BST

The childhood home of the Apple co-founder Steve Jobs could be declared
a historical site.

It would mean the property, built in 1952, would have to be preserved
for the future.

Mr Jobs died two years ago, and now city planners in Los Altos,
California, are in talks with his family.

Paul Collins reports.

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#49280

In article <524d01c9$0$12696$c3e8da3$69010069@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24368472
> 
> Steve Jobs' childhood home 'could become historical site'
> 
> 2 October 2013 Last updated at 16:19 BST
> 
> The childhood home of the Apple co-founder Steve Jobs could be declared
> a historical site.
> 
> It would mean the property, built in 1952, would have to be preserved
> for the future.
> 
> Mr Jobs died two years ago, and now city planners in Los Altos,
> California, are in talks with his family.
> 
> Paul Collins reports.

A typically ridicuous idea. What next? Preserve Bill Gates' college
dorm room and Larry Ellison's backyard dog house. There are far too
many idiots in local government departments with nothing useful to do
and wasting piles of tax payer money.  :-\

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#49389

In article <031020131906084085%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> > BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24368472
> > 
> > Steve Jobs' childhood home 'could become historical site'
> > 
> > 2 October 2013 Last updated at 16:19 BST
> > 
> > The childhood home of the Apple co-founder Steve Jobs could be declared
> > a historical site.
> > 
> > It would mean the property, built in 1952, would have to be preserved
> > for the future.
> > 
> > Mr Jobs died two years ago, and now city planners in Los Altos,
> > California, are in talks with his family.
> > 
> > Paul Collins reports.
> 
> A typically ridicuous idea. What next? Preserve Bill Gates' college
> dorm room and Larry Ellison's backyard dog house. There are far too
> many idiots in local government departments with nothing useful to do
> and wasting piles of tax payer money.  :-\

Jumping to conclusions, aren't you? The news coverage doesn't say _who_ 
is seeking the designation. It could be the owner, or just interested 
Apple fans.

-- 
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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#49392

In article <dfmanno-017DC5.18352004102013@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:

> In article <031020131906084085%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24368472
> > > 
> > > Steve Jobs' childhood home 'could become historical site'
> > > 
> > > 2 October 2013 Last updated at 16:19 BST
> > > 
> > > The childhood home of the Apple co-founder Steve Jobs could be declared
> > > a historical site.
> > > 
> > > It would mean the property, built in 1952, would have to be preserved
> > > for the future.
> > > 
> > > Mr Jobs died two years ago, and now city planners in Los Altos,
> > > California, are in talks with his family.
> > > 
> > > Paul Collins reports.
> > 
> > A typically ridicuous idea. What next? Preserve Bill Gates' college
> > dorm room and Larry Ellison's backyard dog house. There are far too
> > many idiots in local government departments with nothing useful to do
> > and wasting piles of tax payer money.  :-\
> 
> Jumping to conclusions, aren't you? The news coverage doesn't say _who_ 
> is seeking the designation. It could be the owner, or just interested 
> Apple fans.

Yep, I did think about it being a greedy house owner after posting that
message.

Although a group of Apple fans could potentiall place a request, it's
unlikely to be considered seriously by any sane person in the relevant
government department (of course, there aren't many sane people working
there who make these decisions).

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#49398

On 13-10-04 21:30, Your Name wrote:

> Yep, I did think about it being a greedy house owner after posting that
> message.


Having your property declared a national historic site is against the
owner's interests. It means you can't renovate, paint etc your house
without city approval. This greatly reduces the home's value.

Where the existing homeowner might win is it the city/state/Apple buy
the house from him and then have it delcared national historic site.

Preserving the house may have value because it may become a true
historic site later on.

But in all honesty, I think it is a bit too early to declare Steve Jobs
a star people will never forget. Only time will tell if he remains a
star in the long term.

In Canada, there are "Alexander Graham Bell" historic places in
Brantford ON (where telephone was invented) and in Baddeck NS (where he
had summer residence)

Does Henry Ford have much in in terms of national historic sites
preserved from his own life (homes etc) ?

Do Thomas J, Watson and Charles Flint , founders of IBM, have their
childhood homes preserved ?

The problem is that it is too early to know whether Job's childhood home
will have historical value in the distant future. But if the house is
not preserved, it guarantees that it won't be there when/if people
eventually realise he was a great american that is to be remembered for
a very very long time.

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#49400

In article <524f6ba1$0$49333$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 13-10-04 21:30, Your Name wrote:
> >  
> > Yep, I did think about it being a greedy house owner after posting that
> > message.
> 
> Having your property declared a national historic site is against the
> owner's interests. It means you can't renovate, paint etc your house
> without city approval. This greatly reduces the home's value.

True, it does cause limitations on improvements or even simple
maintenance... but maybe they've bought the house next door and turned
it into a cafe and want "special status" to increase the tourists
numbers.  ;-)




> But in all honesty, I think it is a bit too early to declare Steve Jobs
> a star people will never forget. Only time will tell if he remains a
> star in the long term.
> 
> In Canada, there are "Alexander Graham Bell" historic places in
> Brantford ON (where telephone was invented) and in Baddeck NS (where he
> had summer residence)
> 
> Does Henry Ford have much in in terms of national historic sites
> preserved from his own life (homes etc) ?
> 
> Do Thomas J, Watson and Charles Flint , founders of IBM, have their
> childhood homes preserved ?
> 
> The problem is that it is too early to know whether Job's childhood home
> will have historical value in the distant future. But if the house is
> not preserved, it guarantees that it won't be there when/if people
> eventually realise he was a great american that is to be remembered for
> a very very long time.

Personally I can't see any point at all preserving a building simply
because someone lived there (or even worse, some historical person
dubiously stayed there for one night!). The only buildings to be
preserved should be those with some sort of REAL historical or
architectural significance.

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#49416

In article <051020131448505521%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <524f6ba1$0$49333$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > On 13-10-04 21:30, Your Name wrote:
> > >  
> > > Yep, I did think about it being a greedy house owner after posting that
> > > message.
> > 
> > Having your property declared a national historic site is against the
> > owner's interests. It means you can't renovate, paint etc your house
> > without city approval. This greatly reduces the home's value.
> 
> True, it does cause limitations on improvements or even simple
> maintenance... but maybe they've bought the house next door and turned
> it into a cafe and want "special status" to increase the tourists
> numbers.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > But in all honesty, I think it is a bit too early to declare Steve Jobs
> > a star people will never forget. Only time will tell if he remains a
> > star in the long term.
> > 
> > In Canada, there are "Alexander Graham Bell" historic places in
> > Brantford ON (where telephone was invented) and in Baddeck NS (where he
> > had summer residence)
> > 
> > Does Henry Ford have much in in terms of national historic sites
> > preserved from his own life (homes etc) ?
> > 
> > Do Thomas J, Watson and Charles Flint , founders of IBM, have their
> > childhood homes preserved ?
> > 
> > The problem is that it is too early to know whether Job's childhood home
> > will have historical value in the distant future. But if the house is
> > not preserved, it guarantees that it won't be there when/if people
> > eventually realise he was a great american that is to be remembered for
> > a very very long time.
> 
> Personally I can't see any point at all preserving a building simply
> because someone lived there (or even worse, some historical person
> dubiously stayed there for one night!). The only buildings to be
> preserved should be those with some sort of REAL historical or
> architectural significance.

Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they supposedly 
designed the first Apple computers in.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#49419

On 13-10-05 05:40, Barry Margolin wrote:

> Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they supposedly 
> designed the first Apple computers in.

Here is something Apple could do:

Buy the house. Move it to the centre of the giant flying saucer they are
building. Convert the house into a lounge for employees, with the garage
preserved (perhaps a museum with old Macs on display)

Not sure how easy it is to move californian homes without proper
foundations/basements though. Here in Québec, moving a home is not that
uncommon (but not very frequent). They gently lift it from foundations,
insert a truss below, dig a path, and then put wheels under truss with
hydraulic jacks and pull house out. (they adjust the jacks to keep house
level as it is being pulled out of foundations).

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#49432

In article <524fe279$0$10202$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they 
> > supposedly designed the first Apple computers in.
> 
> Here is something Apple could do:
> 
> Buy the house. Move it to the centre of the giant flying saucer they are 
> building. Convert the house into a lounge for employees, with the garage 
> preserved (perhaps a museum with old Macs on display)

Well, they built the first Apple Computer there, so it would be more 
fitting to have various Apple II and an Apple I there, rather than Macs.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49471

In article <524fe279$0$10202$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-10-05 05:40, Barry Margolin wrote:
> 
> > Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they supposedly 
> > designed the first Apple computers in.
> 
> Here is something Apple could do:
> 
> Buy the house. Move it to the centre of the giant flying saucer they are
> building. Convert the house into a lounge for employees, with the garage
> preserved (perhaps a museum with old Macs on display)
> 
> Not sure how easy it is to move californian homes without proper
> foundations/basements though. Here in Québec, moving a home is not that
> uncommon (but not very frequent). They gently lift it from foundations,
> insert a truss below, dig a path, and then put wheels under truss with
> hydraulic jacks and pull house out. (they adjust the jacks to keep house
> level as it is being pulled out of foundations).

Buildings are moved in most countries. 

Here's two examples from Auckland, New Zealand: They moved an old
tavern building out of the way while they built a new motorway tunnel,
and then moved it back when they had finished. They also moved Sir
Edmund Hillary's house (he was supposedly the first person to climb
Everest, although as always there is now some doubt) to another
location.

Usually they move buildings at night - supposedly because the traffic
is less busy, they can switch off intersection traffic lights , etc.
... but in reality it's just to annoy all the neighbours along the
route with the noise.  ;-)

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#49431

In article <barmar-A6A3A6.05400705102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > Personally I can't see any point at all preserving a building simply 
> > because someone lived there (or even worse, some historical person 
> > dubiously stayed there for one night!). The only buildings to be 
> > preserved should be those with some sort of REAL historical or 
> > architectural significance.
> 
> Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they supposedly 
> designed the first Apple computers in.

No presumably about it; it is that house and garage.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49851

On 10/5/13   PDT 7:37 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <barmar-A6A3A6.05400705102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>   Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>>> Personally I can't see any point at all preserving a building simply
>>> because someone lived there (or even worse, some historical person
>>> dubiously stayed there for one night!). The only buildings to be
>>> preserved should be those with some sort of REAL historical or
>>> architectural significance.
>>
>> Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they supposedly
>> designed the first Apple computers in.
>
> No presumably about it; it is that house and garage.
>
Then supposedly comes out, too....

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#49859

In article <l3c08t$mub$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 10/5/13   PDT 7:37 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article <barmar-A6A3A6.05400705102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >   Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Personally I can't see any point at all preserving a building simply
> >>> because someone lived there (or even worse, some historical person
> >>> dubiously stayed there for one night!). The only buildings to be
> >>> preserved should be those with some sort of REAL historical or
> >>> architectural significance.
> >>
> >> Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they supposedly
> >> designed the first Apple computers in.
> >
> > No presumably about it; it is that house and garage.
> 
> Then supposedly comes out, too....

The topic title says nothing about the garage, just the house.  ;-)

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#49864

On 2013-10-12 21:34:43 +0000, Your Name said:

> The topic title says nothing about the garage, just the house.  ;-)

But the garage is part of the house, not a separate detached building.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#49866

In article <bbuh3qF9u3rU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
<taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-12 21:34:43 +0000, Your Name said:
> > 
> > The topic title says nothing about the garage, just the house.  ;-)
> 
> But the garage is part of the house, not a separate detached building.

I know. It was a joke, which is why there's a winking smiley.

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#49867

On 2013-10-13 03:48:22 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <bbuh3qF9u3rU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
> <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-10-12 21:34:43 +0000, Your Name said:
>>> 
>>> The topic title says nothing about the garage, just the house.  ;-)
>> 
>> But the garage is part of the house, not a separate detached building.
> 
> I know. It was a joke, which is why there's a winking smiley.

Thanks for the correction! I somehow missed the winking smiley.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#49470

In article <barmar-A6A3A6.05400705102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <051020131448505521%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <524f6ba1$0$49333$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > On 13-10-04 21:30, Your Name wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > Yep, I did think about it being a greedy house owner after posting that
> > > > message.
> > > 
> > > Having your property declared a national historic site is against the
> > > owner's interests. It means you can't renovate, paint etc your house
> > > without city approval. This greatly reduces the home's value.
> > 
> > True, it does cause limitations on improvements or even simple
> > maintenance... but maybe they've bought the house next door and turned
> > it into a cafe and want "special status" to increase the tourists
> > numbers.  ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > But in all honesty, I think it is a bit too early to declare Steve Jobs
> > > a star people will never forget. Only time will tell if he remains a
> > > star in the long term.
> > > 
> > > In Canada, there are "Alexander Graham Bell" historic places in
> > > Brantford ON (where telephone was invented) and in Baddeck NS (where he
> > > had summer residence)
> > > 
> > > Does Henry Ford have much in in terms of national historic sites
> > > preserved from his own life (homes etc) ?
> > > 
> > > Do Thomas J, Watson and Charles Flint , founders of IBM, have their
> > > childhood homes preserved ?
> > > 
> > > The problem is that it is too early to know whether Job's childhood home
> > > will have historical value in the distant future. But if the house is
> > > not preserved, it guarantees that it won't be there when/if people
> > > eventually realise he was a great american that is to be remembered for
> > > a very very long time.
> > 
> > Personally I can't see any point at all preserving a building simply
> > because someone lived there (or even worse, some historical person
> > dubiously stayed there for one night!). The only buildings to be
> > preserved should be those with some sort of REAL historical or
> > architectural significance.
> 
> Presumably it's the house that contains the garage that they supposedly 
> designed the first Apple computers in.

There's no actual historical value in a garage - it's just a garage,
the same as any other thousands if not millions of garages. If you go
there you won't see Steve Jobs building computers nor any real evidence
that he did so (other no doubt than a silly sign on the wall saying
so).

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#49484

In article <061020130947458041%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> There's no actual historical value in a garage - it's just a garage,
> the same as any other thousands if not millions of garages. If you go
> there you won't see Steve Jobs building computers nor any real evidence
> that he did so (other no doubt than a silly sign on the wall saying
> so).

Why is there any "historical value" in any place? For some reason, 
people like being able to see the place where something significant 
happened firsthand.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#49506

In article <barmar-5C3251.19023005102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <061020130947458041%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >
> > There's no actual historical value in a garage - it's just a garage,
> > the same as any other thousands if not millions of garages. If you go
> > there you won't see Steve Jobs building computers nor any real evidence
> > that he did so (other no doubt than a silly sign on the wall saying
> > so).
> 
> Why is there any "historical value" in any place? For some reason, 
> people like being able to see the place where something significant 
> happened firsthand.

Some building are historically important in their own right, not
because some person (often dubiously) visited there for 10 seconds.
Such buildings are usually unique, rather than just a mass produced
house that's the same as 90 other houses in the same area.

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#49513

On 13-10-06 00:22, Your Name wrote:

> Some building are historically important in their own right, not
> because some person (often dubiously) visited there for 10 seconds.
> Such buildings are usually unique, rather than just a mass produced
> house that's the same as 90 other houses in the same area.

Many homes were exactly that, the same as all the others. But because
they were protected, they remained the same while the rest of the town
was totally redevelopped and that one house that stayed is now very
distinct.

The question here is whether Steve Jobs was truly unique in the
historical sense, worth preserving every bit of his life, or whether
history will see him as a great CEO, one of many.

Will Steve Jobs be remembers as Henry Ford or Thomas Edison or Alexender
Graham bell, all of which started significant companies, or will he be
remembers as Jack Welsh or Lou Gerstner who accomplished a great task
within their organisation and may be quoted in business schools, but not
rememberf in historical sense.

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