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  The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 11:16 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? "China Blue [Tor], Meersburg" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-18 08:32 -0700
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 10:45 -0500
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-08-18 16:49 +0100
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? "China Blue [Tor], Meersburg" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-18 09:16 -0700
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-20 19:05 +0000
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 11:46 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-18 13:24 -0400
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:31 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2012-08-18 11:00 -0700
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-18 11:48 -0700
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-18 15:52 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:39 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-19 13:27 +0200
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:38 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2012-09-04 13:20 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-09-05 09:21 +1200
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-09-04 22:32 +0100
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2012-09-06 12:11 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-09-06 17:45 +0100
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-09-07 05:31 +0000
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-09-05 10:47 +1000
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-19 10:15 +1200
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 09:50 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-19 07:04 -0700
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 10:34 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-19 07:44 -0700
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:07 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2012-08-19 09:41 -0500
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-19 10:46 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2012-08-19 09:53 -0500
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-20 10:24 -0700
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:05 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-08-19 08:56 -0700
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2012-08-19 11:03 -0500
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? John Young <jy@scallawags.net> - 2012-08-19 12:10 -0400
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 09:19 +1200
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 18:35 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 13:13 +1200
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:31 -0400
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 13:22 +1200
                    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-21 21:09 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-19 21:13 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 06:13 +0000
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-20 03:13 -0400
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-20 19:06 +0000
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:41 -0400
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-20 11:37 +0200
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop?   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2012-08-20 11:52 +0000
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-20 08:15 -0400
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-20 09:53 -0500
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-20 11:32 -0400
                    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-20 13:00 -0500
                      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:32 -0400
                  Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2012-08-20 15:25 -0500
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:29 -0400
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2012-08-27 00:04 +0100
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:10 -0400
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 09:44 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-18 17:05 -0700
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 20:42 -0400
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2012-08-19 09:50 -0500
      Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 11:17 -0400
        Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 09:21 +1200
          Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-19 18:42 -0400
            Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-20 13:11 +1200
              Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-20 17:20 -0400
                Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) - 2012-08-21 13:26 +1200
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? dont.spam.usenet@googlemail.com (Hauke Fath) - 2012-08-21 14:14 +0200
    Re: The long decline of the Mac desktop? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2012-09-07 20:45 -0700

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#29664 — The long decline of the Mac desktop?

The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.

In the 3 months ended 30 June 2012, Mac desktops were down 13% (units) 
over the prior year, same period.  (For the 9 months ending the same 
day, Mac desktop sales were up 9%)

Laptops were up 8% however showing that the power of laptops have now 
made them the first choice of people getting their first Mac or updating 
their system.  Portables are up 13% over the 9 month period.

Macs accounted for $4.933B in sales in the quarter - a 3% drop from last 
year's quarter.

And that accounts for 14% of Apple's business in the quarter down from 
nearly 18% a year ago.

Further, at this time last year, Mac's were a $20B+/year business and 
now it is on trend to be less than $20B / year.  Apple explain this away 
as 'general weakness in the market'.  The next quarters will tell.

Nearly $20B is nothing to sniff at to be sure but it appears that the 
Mac Summer is cooling.

(For comparison, hp's 6 months ending April was $18.325B or 
$9.162B/quarter for notebooks, desktops and workstations).

Of course other segments (iphone and ipad) continue their spectacular 
growth (while iPod continues to plunge).  iPad unit sales were up 84% 
for the quarter and 108% for the 9 months.  iPhone 28 and 78% 
respectively while iPod has slowed 10 and 17% resp.

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#29665

In article <Jq2dnV2GQYYjLLLNnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.

My first computer were not a desktop but a roomful: a CDC 6400 which I shared 
with a bunch of other people, sitting at the console with O26 and DIS in the 
middle of the night. Now I use a MacBook Pro. If I could do software development 
and everything else I do on an iPod, I would. And in a few years I likely will.

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#29666

On 2012-08-18 15:32:29 +0000, China Blue [Tor], Meersburg said:

> My first computer were not a desktop but a roomful: a CDC 6400 which I shared
> with a bunch of other people, sitting at the console with O26 and DIS in the
> middle of the night. Now I use a MacBook Pro. If I could do software 
> development
> and everything else I do on an iPod, I would. And in a few years I likely will.

The CDC 6400 was the third computer I worked with, being preceded by a 
Bendis G20 and an ANFSQ-7. I was a member of the CDC group iin Palo 
Alto and which were mplementing a COBOL compiler for the CDC 6400.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#29669

In article <a99rlmF2lbU1@mid.individual.net>,
 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> On 2012-08-18 15:32:29 +0000, China Blue [Tor], Meersburg said:
> 
> > My first computer were not a desktop but a roomful: a CDC 6400 which I 
> > shared
> > with a bunch of other people, sitting at the console with O26 and DIS in 
> > the
> > middle of the night. Now I use a MacBook Pro. If I could do software 
> > development
> > and everything else I do on an iPod, I would. And in a few years I likely 
> > will.
> 
> The CDC 6400 was the third computer I worked with, being preceded by a 
> Bendis G20 and an ANFSQ-7. I was a member of the CDC group iin Palo 
> Alto and which were mplementing a COBOL compiler for the CDC 6400.

Third for me, being preceded by an Elliott 803B and an IBM 7094. Then I 
went to CERN where your job might be run on a 6400 or a 6600.

-- 
Tim

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#29671

In article <timstreater-F62FC2.16495318082012@news.individual.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <a99rlmF2lbU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2012-08-18 15:32:29 +0000, China Blue [Tor], Meersburg said:
> > 
> > > My first computer were not a desktop but a roomful: a CDC 6400 which I 
> > > shared
> > > with a bunch of other people, sitting at the console with O26 and DIS in 
> > > the
> > > middle of the night. Now I use a MacBook Pro. If I could do software 
> > > development
> > > and everything else I do on an iPod, I would. And in a few years I likely 
> > > will.
> > 
> > The CDC 6400 was the third computer I worked with, being preceded by a 
> > Bendis G20 and an ANFSQ-7. I was a member of the CDC group iin Palo 
> > Alto and which were mplementing a COBOL compiler for the CDC 6400.
> 
> Third for me, being preceded by an Elliott 803B and an IBM 7094. Then I 
> went to CERN where your job might be run on a 6400 or a 6600.

Truckin.......
What a long, strange trip it's been....

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#29768

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:45:58 UTC, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com>
wrote:

> The CDC 6400 was the third computer I worked with, being preceded by a 
> Bendis G20 and an ANFSQ-7.

A Q-7 was my second, the XD-1 machine at Lincoln Lab. The first was 
an IBM 704 at Chance Vought Aircraft.

-- 
John Varela

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#29667

On 2012-08-18 11:32 , China Blue [Tor], Meersburg wrote:
> In article <Jq2dnV2GQYYjLLLNnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.
>
> My first computer were not a desktop but a roomful: a CDC 6400 which I shared
> with a bunch of other people, sitting at the console with O26 and DIS in the
> middle of the night. Now I use a MacBook Pro. If I could do software development
> and everything else I do on an iPod, I would. And in a few years I likely will.

That would be nice.  I'd like a nice simple IDE without a monster 
framework to write Pascal, C and assembler and maybe Ada.  Stuff I used 
to do on a VAX and hp mini.

However for photography large screens are preferable to small so that 
detail can be seen and there is ample room for all the toolbars and 
palettes and such.  I guess it's the same for video, engineering (CAE, 
simulations, monitoring, etc), medicine (although that's beginning to 
have a huge iPad footprint as well for its portability).

The iPad size is not an endpoint.

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                                 -John Keating.

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#29676

Alan Browne wrote:
> The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.


In the case of Apple, sales have declined because apple added Autosave
and removed SaveAs in Lion.

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

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#29682

On 2012-08-18 13:24 , JF Mezei wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>> The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.
>
>
> In the case of Apple, sales have declined because apple added Autosave
> and removed SaveAs in Lion.

I knew you would write something like that as I wrote the post though I 
thought you'd be a little less specific.


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#29677

Sad. I still prefer desktops over portable devices for their speeds, 
powers, customizations (limited with Macs though), etc.


On 8/18/2012 8:16 AM PT, Alan Browne typed:

>
> The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.
>
> In the 3 months ended 30 June 2012, Mac desktops were down 13% (units)
> over the prior year, same period.  (For the 9 months ending the same
> day, Mac desktop sales were up 9%)
>
> Laptops were up 8% however showing that the power of laptops have now
> made them the first choice of people getting their first Mac or updating
> their system.  Portables are up 13% over the 9 month period.
>
> Macs accounted for $4.933B in sales in the quarter - a 3% drop from last
> year's quarter.
>
> And that accounts for 14% of Apple's business in the quarter down from
> nearly 18% a year ago.
>
> Further, at this time last year, Mac's were a $20B+/year business and
> now it is on trend to be less than $20B / year.  Apple explain this away
> as 'general weakness in the market'.  The next quarters will tell.
>
> Nearly $20B is nothing to sniff at to be sure but it appears that the
> Mac Summer is cooling.
>
> (For comparison, hp's 6 months ending April was $18.325B or
> $9.162B/quarter for notebooks, desktops and workstations).
>
> Of course other segments (iphone and ipad) continue their spectacular
> growth (while iPod continues to plunge).  iPad unit sales were up 84%
> for the quarter and 108% for the 9 months.  iPhone 28 and 78%
> respectively while iPod has slowed 10 and 17% resp.
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#29678

In article <AsCdnQ0YFLLTRbLNnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Sad. I still prefer desktops over portable devices for their speeds, 
> powers, customizations (limited with Macs though), etc.

one reason, maybe the major reason, for the decline in desktop Mac sales in 
the third quarter was that in 2011, a new iMac was released in early May, 
about 1/3 into the quarter, but in 2012, many people (such as myself) were 
holding off on buying a new iMac in the third quarter until the 2012 models 
were released.

I prefer a desktop to portable Macintosh for essentially the same reasons 
you do; there's more for the money in exchange for a lack of portability 
(which is a lack that doesn't bother me at all).

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#29681

One aspect: People tend to keep desktops longer since they don't get
droppped, stolen and they batteries don't expire after a few years.

So once you have a dekstop with sufficient power, you don't needto
upgrade it as often. If you have enough CPU to run 1080P h.264 videos,
and those videos are still the current tech, then your CPU is still able
to do what you need it to do.

It is perhaps wrong to declare the end of the desktop simply by noticing
sales are dropping. It may simply mean that people are not replacing
their existing ones as often but still using their desktops plenty.

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#29684

On 2012-08-18 15:52 , JF Mezei wrote:
> One aspect: People tend to keep desktops longer since they don't get
> droppped, stolen and they batteries don't expire after a few years.
>
> So once you have a dekstop with sufficient power, you don't needto
> upgrade it as often. If you have enough CPU to run 1080P h.264 videos,
> and those videos are still the current tech, then your CPU is still able
> to do what you need it to do.
>
> It is perhaps wrong to declare the end of the desktop simply by noticing
> sales are dropping. It may simply mean that people are not replacing
> their existing ones as often but still using their desktops plenty.

Who said "end"?


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#29707

On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:52:36 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

> One aspect: People tend to keep desktops longer since they don't get
> droppped, stolen and they batteries don't expire after a few years.
> 
> So once you have a dekstop with sufficient power, you don't needto
> upgrade it as often. If you have enough CPU to run 1080P h.264 videos,
> and those videos are still the current tech, then your CPU is still able
> to do what you need it to do.
> 
> It is perhaps wrong to declare the end of the desktop simply by noticing
> sales are dropping. It may simply mean that people are not replacing
> their existing ones as often but still using their desktops plenty.

Desktops are more upgradeable / expandable than laptops as well.

FWIW I managed to prolong the useful life of my iBook by several years 
because I was already using it in a desktop role.  It was my music centre 
so was plugged into other non-portable devices.

When the internal disk failed I simply started booting from an external 
Firewire disk with  no loss of functionality.  In fact this was an 
upgrade because I went from a 20 GB system disk to a 70 GB system disk.

When the battery reached end of life, I didn't care since I was no longer 
using the system as a portable device.

When the keyboard started getting flaky I simply plugged in an external 
one.  I was already using a mouse rather than the trackpad.

I never got around to using an external display on that system, but that 
would have represented an upgrade too.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29683

On 2012-08-18 14:00 , Ant wrote:
> Sad. I still prefer desktops over portable devices for their speeds,
> powers, customizations (limited with Macs though), etc.

Well the du/dt is pretty small but consistent with the slowdown for Mac 
desktops over the past couple quarters.

1.  Mac desktops are really good machines.  There's no urgency to 
upgrade.  Mine is 4.5 years old and serves me very well and is keeping 
my "new Mac" lust pretty low.  That will end one day.  For example a 
hex|oct-core i7 at 3 GHz with 1666 or 2000 MHz memory would be more than 
I could resist... ;-)

2. Apple identified "general weakness in the market" as a reason (didn't 
slow the laptops as much though) and also noted that they haven't done 
any major upgrades to the line in a while.  Could be that people are 
holding off for a really big improvement.  (Above).

The Mac Pro got hardly more than a makeover in its most recent version - 
though Apple seem to imply that an updated Mac Pro (really updates) is 
in the pipe.

3. It's still a $20B/yr business.  Magnificent in its own right.

Don't top post.


>
>
> On 8/18/2012 8:16 AM PT, Alan Browne typed:
>
>>
>> The trend continues whereby Mac desktop sales are no longer growing.
>>
>> In the 3 months ended 30 June 2012, Mac desktops were down 13% (units)
>> over the prior year, same period.  (For the 9 months ending the same
>> day, Mac desktop sales were up 9%)
>>
>> Laptops were up 8% however showing that the power of laptops have now
>> made them the first choice of people getting their first Mac or updating
>> their system.  Portables are up 13% over the 9 month period.
>>
>> Macs accounted for $4.933B in sales in the quarter - a 3% drop from last
>> year's quarter.
>>
>> And that accounts for 14% of Apple's business in the quarter down from
>> nearly 18% a year ago.
>>
>> Further, at this time last year, Mac's were a $20B+/year business and
>> now it is on trend to be less than $20B / year.  Apple explain this away
>> as 'general weakness in the market'.  The next quarters will tell.
>>
>> Nearly $20B is nothing to sniff at to be sure but it appears that the
>> Mac Summer is cooling.
>>
>> (For comparison, hp's 6 months ending April was $18.325B or
>> $9.162B/quarter for notebooks, desktops and workstations).
>>
>> Of course other segments (iphone and ipad) continue their spectacular
>> growth (while iPod continues to plunge).  iPad unit sales were up 84%
>> for the quarter and 108% for the 9 months.  iPhone 28 and 78%
>> respectively while iPod has slowed 10 and 17% resp.


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#30583

On 8/18/12 4:38 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> 1.  Mac desktops are really good machines.  There's no
> urgency to upgrade.  Mine is 4.5 years old and serves me
> very well and is keeping my "new Mac" lust pretty low.

I'm typing this on my 2004-vintage PowerMac g4/1.25dp MDD. 
It's had heavy usage (sometimes 12+ hours a day) for years, 
and still doing fine. I had to replace the 120mm fan a 
couple of times, easy repair.

It still does everything I need to do for "general 
home-office related stuff". Now and then I run into glitches 
with web content, because the version of Safari on it is 
dated and not upgradeable.

I'll replace it someday... perhaps when Apple finally gets 
around to issuing an update to the Mac Mini...

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#30596

In article <5046384b$0$15530$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com>, John
Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 8/18/12 4:38 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> > 1.  Mac desktops are really good machines.  There's no
> > urgency to upgrade.  Mine is 4.5 years old and serves me
> > very well and is keeping my "new Mac" lust pretty low.
> 
> I'm typing this on my 2004-vintage PowerMac g4/1.25dp MDD. 
> It's had heavy usage (sometimes 12+ hours a day) for years, 
> and still doing fine. I had to replace the 120mm fan a 
> couple of times, easy repair.
> 
> It still does everything I need to do for "general 
> home-office related stuff". Now and then I run into glitches 
> with web content, because the version of Safari on it is 
> dated and not upgradeable.

Instead of Safari, you might want to try an older version of Firefox. I
run Firefox 1.0.7 under Mac OS X 10.1 and it copes with most websites, the
major exception is those that need a newer version of horrible Flash.



> I'll replace it someday... perhaps when Apple finally gets 
> around to issuing an update to the Mac Mini...

You guys are cutting-edge ... :-)

I've had my PowerMac G3 for about 14 years and it is used daily (including
running my own business). The Epson printer I use is that old too,
although I have to reboot into Mac OS 9 to print. The original Apple
display died, the bulb in the scanner bought at the same time died too
(thanks to the silly design not having an off switch on the case!), and
I've been through a few mice, but no major problems at all. I put in a
bigger hard drive, some extra RAM and upgraded it to both Mac OS 9.2 and X
10.1. I took out the floppy disk drive (which needs a good clean before it
will work again anyway) and used that space for the original hard drive.

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#30598

In article <5046384b$0$15530$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com>,
 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 8/18/12 4:38 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> > 1.  Mac desktops are really good machines.  There's no
> > urgency to upgrade.  Mine is 4.5 years old and serves me
> > very well and is keeping my "new Mac" lust pretty low.
> 
> I'm typing this on my 2004-vintage PowerMac g4/1.25dp MDD. 
> It's had heavy usage (sometimes 12+ hours a day) for years, 
> and still doing fine. I had to replace the 120mm fan a 
> couple of times, easy repair.
> 
> It still does everything I need to do for "general 
> home-office related stuff". Now and then I run into glitches 
> with web content, because the version of Safari on it is 
> dated and not upgradeable.
> 
> I'll replace it someday... perhaps when Apple finally gets 
> around to issuing an update to the Mac Mini...

What's wrong with the existing model?

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#30692

On 9/4/12 5:32 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> What's wrong with the existing model?

I'm holding out for USB3 instead of USB2.

Also, I expect the Mini's with Ivy Bridge will have the 
Intel 4000 integrated graphics, which is reported to be much 
better than the current Intel 3000 series.

Actually, the 2004 PowerMac g4 still works fine, just need a 
"good enough" excuse to spend the $$$ for something new.

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#30693

In article <5048cb39$0$15487$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com>,
 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 9/4/12 5:32 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> > What's wrong with the existing model?
> 
> I'm holding out for USB3 instead of USB2.
> 
> Also, I expect the Mini's with Ivy Bridge will have the 
> Intel 4000 integrated graphics, which is reported to be much 
> better than the current Intel 3000 series.
> 
> Actually, the 2004 PowerMac g4 still works fine, just need a 
> "good enough" excuse to spend the $$$ for something new.

Righto. I found the mid-2011 a pretty good upgrade, even the low-end 
model, from a 1.8HGhz core 2 duo Mini, especially once I'd had an SSD 
fitted as a second drive and made it the boot device.

Doubtless I'll drool over whatever comes next though. One always does.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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