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Apple increases its navigation nous

Started byAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
First post2015-05-17 18:24 -0400
Last post2015-05-23 08:03 -0400
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  Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-17 18:24 -0400
    Re: Apple increases its navigation nous me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-05-18 20:46 +0000
      Re: Apple increases its navigation nous BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-05-18 16:02 -0500
        Re: Apple increases its navigation nous gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-18 14:40 -0700
          Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-05-19 00:14 +0000
      Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-18 19:28 -0400
        Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-18 20:00 -0400
        Re: Apple increases its navigation nous me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-05-19 06:16 +0000
          Re: Apple increases its navigation nous George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-19 10:47 -0500
          Re: Apple increases its navigation nous JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-19 13:35 -0400
          Re: Apple increases its navigation nous JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-19 13:38 -0400
          Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-19 19:01 -0400
            Re: Apple increases its navigation nous JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-20 02:36 -0400
              Re: Apple increases its navigation nous "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-20 17:19 +1000
      Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-05-19 13:43 +0000
    Re: Apple increases its navigation nous David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-18 22:17 -0500
      Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-05-19 11:11 -0400
        Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-19 23:01 +0000
          Re: Apple increases its navigation nous me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-05-22 13:56 +0000
            Re: Apple increases its navigation nous John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-05-22 16:20 -0700
              Re: Apple increases its navigation nous me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-05-23 06:23 +0000
                Re: Apple increases its navigation nous John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-05-23 12:56 -0700
                  Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-23 17:58 -0400
                  Re: Apple increases its navigation nous me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-05-24 00:31 +0000
                    Re: Apple increases its navigation nous JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-23 21:36 -0400
                    Re: Apple increases its navigation nous John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-05-23 19:00 -0700
                      Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-24 10:57 -0400
                        Re: Apple increases its navigation nous John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-05-25 15:34 -0700
                          Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-25 19:17 -0400
                      Re: Apple increases its navigation nous me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-05-26 06:05 +0000
                        Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-26 09:49 -0400
              Re: Apple increases its navigation nous Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-05-23 08:03 -0400

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#75926

Fromme@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
Date2015-05-23 06:23 +0000
Message-ID<mjp6cl$po7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75920
John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> It astounds me that anyone would have a problem with that. I was doing 
> it this morning for an upcoming trip.

How did you do it? 


-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#75929

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2015-05-23 12:56 -0700
Message-ID<mjqlvt$gh3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75926
On 5/22/15   PDT 11:23 PM, Király wrote:
> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>> It astounds me that anyone would have a problem with that. I was doing
>> it this morning for an upcoming trip.
>
> How did you do it?

Type in location name in "Start"
Type in desired destination in "End"

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#75930

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date2015-05-23 17:58 -0400
Message-ID<QYWdnS6Emsdvav3InZ2dnUU7-Y2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#75929
On 2015-05-23 15:56, John McWilliams wrote:
> On 5/22/15   PDT 11:23 PM, Király wrote:
>> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> It astounds me that anyone would have a problem with that. I was doing
>>> it this morning for an upcoming trip.
>>
>> How did you do it?
>
> Type in location name in "Start"
> Type in desired destination in "End"

UI failure.

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#75932

Fromme@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
Date2015-05-24 00:31 +0000
Message-ID<mjr64d$hnq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75929
John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> > How did you do it?
> 
> Type in location name in "Start"
> Type in desired destination in "End"

That's not what I asked. I asked how to plot directions between two 
points I *select on the map*, not addresses I type in a box (assuming I 
even know the addresses). 

I find it rather incredible that what I consider to be a basic feature 
of any direction-plotting mapping program could be missing from Apple 
Maps.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#75933

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-05-23 21:36 -0400
Message-ID<55612b10$0$29450$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#75932
On 15-05-23 20:31, Király wrote:

> I find it rather incredible that what I consider to be a basic feature 
> of any direction-plotting mapping program could be missing from Apple 
> Maps.

I am coming to realise that the mapping software is being moved to
"driving" software. In order words, "tell me how to get THERE from HERE".

Even google is screwing with its mapping web site to make it less
mapping and more about directions (and ads)


When things are driven bty what markting think mass markert wants, real
cartographers start to see features disappear.

Remember that when Apple Maps launched, one of its huge advantages over
the then existing goole map product on IOS was driving directions.

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#75934

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2015-05-23 19:00 -0700
Message-ID<mjrb94$1uh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75932
On 5/23/15   PDT 5:31 PM, Király wrote:
> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> How did you do it?
>>
>> Type in location name in "Start"
>> Type in desired destination in "End"
>
> That's not what I asked. I asked how to plot directions between two
> points I *select on the map*, not addresses I type in a box (assuming I
> even know the addresses).
>
> I find it rather incredible that what I consider to be a basic feature
> of any direction-plotting mapping program could be missing from Apple
> Maps.

Well, I certainly goofed in not recognizing the critical importance to 
you in clicking rather than typing. Sorry.

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#75939

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date2015-05-24 10:57 -0400
Message-ID<pr2dnVp_XsxBe_zInZ2dnUU7-KWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#75934
On 2015-05-23 22:00, John McWilliams wrote:
> On 5/23/15   PDT 5:31 PM, Király wrote:
>> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> How did you do it?
>>>
>>> Type in location name in "Start"
>>> Type in desired destination in "End"
>>
>> That's not what I asked. I asked how to plot directions between two
>> points I *select on the map*, not addresses I type in a box (assuming I
>> even know the addresses).
>>
>> I find it rather incredible that what I consider to be a basic feature
>> of any direction-plotting mapping program could be missing from Apple
>> Maps.
>
> Well, I certainly goofed in not recognizing the critical importance to
> you in clicking rather than typing. Sorry.

You goofed in not recognizing that a visual UI should allow visual 
selection of start and end points ... as Google maps has been doing for 
a very long time (over 10 years, at least).

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#75949

FromJohn McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date2015-05-25 15:34 -0700
Message-ID<mk07vd$ker$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75939
On 5/24/15   PDT 7:57 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2015-05-23 22:00, John McWilliams wrote:
>> On 5/23/15   PDT 5:31 PM, Király wrote:
>>> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> How did you do it?
>>>>
>>>> Type in location name in "Start"
>>>> Type in desired destination in "End"
>>>
>>> That's not what I asked. I asked how to plot directions between two
>>> points I *select on the map*, not addresses I type in a box (assuming I
>>> even know the addresses).
>>>
>>> I find it rather incredible that what I consider to be a basic feature
>>> of any direction-plotting mapping program could be missing from Apple
>>> Maps.
>>
>> Well, I certainly goofed in not recognizing the critical importance to
>> you in clicking rather than typing. Sorry.
>
> You goofed in not recognizing that a visual UI should allow visual
> selection of start and end points ... as Google maps has been doing for
> a very long time (over 10 years, at least).
>
That's your should, and not mine.  But a pin drop any where give a 
"Directions to here" and if you know where you started, a piece of cake.

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#75951

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date2015-05-25 19:17 -0400
Message-ID<z5adnaLuWsURMP7InZ2dnUU7-eudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#75949
On 2015-05-25 18:34, John McWilliams wrote:
> On 5/24/15   PDT 7:57 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2015-05-23 22:00, John McWilliams wrote:
>>> On 5/23/15   PDT 5:31 PM, Király wrote:
>>>> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> How did you do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Type in location name in "Start"
>>>>> Type in desired destination in "End"
>>>>
>>>> That's not what I asked. I asked how to plot directions between two
>>>> points I *select on the map*, not addresses I type in a box (assuming I
>>>> even know the addresses).
>>>>
>>>> I find it rather incredible that what I consider to be a basic feature
>>>> of any direction-plotting mapping program could be missing from Apple
>>>> Maps.
>>>
>>> Well, I certainly goofed in not recognizing the critical importance to
>>> you in clicking rather than typing. Sorry.
>>
>> You goofed in not recognizing that a visual UI should allow visual
>> selection of start and end points ... as Google maps has been doing for
>> a very long time (over 10 years, at least).
>>
> That's your should, and not mine.  But a pin drop any where give a
> "Directions to here" and if you know where you started, a piece of cake.

And by extension a "Directions from here" pin (rather than where Maps 
apps believes it is) is easy to add to the dropdown list.  As Google 
Maps has had for a decade.

Of course my iMac doesn't know where it is (as WiFi is off) so the whole 
"Directions to here" can't work with the pin.

It's really poorly thought out.  There is no excuse for it at all.

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#75955

Fromme@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
Date2015-05-26 06:05 +0000
Message-ID<mk12fm$u39$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75934
John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> Well, I certainly goofed in not recognizing the critical importance to 
> you in clicking rather than typing. Sorry.

Being able to click on the map to select both the start and end points  
is someting I consider a basic feature. If I'm already looking on 
the map at the corner of Aleksandra Nevskogo Pereulok and 2-Ya
Tverskaya-Yamskaya Ulitsa, I'd really rather just click there than have 
to type out the whole damn thing. You must really like to type if you 
think the difference is superficial.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#75957

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date2015-05-26 09:49 -0400
Message-ID<_sCdnapQdvec5_nInZ2dnUU7-TWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#75955
On 2015-05-26 02:05, Király wrote:
> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Well, I certainly goofed in not recognizing the critical importance to
>> you in clicking rather than typing. Sorry.
>
> Being able to click on the map to select both the start and end points
> is someting I consider a basic feature. If I'm already looking on
> the map at the corner of Aleksandra Nevskogo Pereulok and 2-Ya
> Tverskaya-Yamskaya Ulitsa, I'd really rather just click there than have
> to type out the whole damn thing.

Especially when your spelling of the place name may differ just slightly 
from the actual spelling and that again from the "Apple" spelling in the 
database resulting in "not found" reports.  (This happens on Google Maps 
as well - finding towns in South Korea, for example, can be tedious due 
to variations in western representation).

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#75928

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date2015-05-23 08:03 -0400
Message-ID<SqKdnQ5oRLA88f3InZ2dnUU7-QudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#75920
On 2015-05-22 19:20, John McWilliams wrote:
> On 5/22/15   PDT 6:56 AM, Király wrote:
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>   Apple Maps is just as good (or not good) for routing as Google Maps
>>> and
>>>   has been for a long time.
>>
>> Not really. Just try to get it to plot directions between two locations
>> you select on the map, neither of which are your current location.
>> Google Maps can do that easily.
>>
>> It astounds me that such a basic functionality of a mapping software
>> could be missing.
>
> It astounds me that anyone would have a problem with that. I was doing
> it this morning for an upcoming trip.

You can't point at a location and right click to say "directions to 
here" and another location for "directions from here" as you can so 
easily in Google Maps.  Apple Maps will allow a pin drop and then 
navigation is assumed to be from where you are.  Bad assumption for 
planning.

You can (in Apple Maps) enter an address (or simply a town name) for 
such planning but that sort of defeats the purpose of a visual interface.

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