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Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software?

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  Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:24 +0000
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 11:29 -0400
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 15:39 +0000
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:57 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:21 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-17 08:23 +1200
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:32 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:05 -0700
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:26 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 21:46 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:04 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:04 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 11:38 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:34 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-18 07:48 -0400
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 18:45 -0400
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 09:07 -0700
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comte <electrc-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:00 -0700
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:22 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:37 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-03-16 09:45 -0700
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:55 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:03 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:58 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:02 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:55 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:47 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:54 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:01 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:53 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:26 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:51 -0700
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-18 11:11 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-16 12:06 -0700
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 19:30 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:51 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:36 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 16:14 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 16:24 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:41 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:01 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:52 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:06 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:14 -0400
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:06 +0000
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 20:17 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 23:16 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:47 +0000
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:51 -0400
                              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
                              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:05 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:04 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:35 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-17 17:52 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:31 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:07 -0700
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:08 -0400
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:18 +0100
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 16:20 -0400
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:23 +0100
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:05 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:59 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:47 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 12:28 -0700
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:56 -0700
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:44 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 22:01 -0700
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:48 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:31 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:45 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:37 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 18:59 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:59 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:34 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:11 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:14 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:24 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:44 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:55 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:53 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:09 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:38 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:41 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:42 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:13 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:40 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:05 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-19 10:18 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:13 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:14 +0100
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:04 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:33 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:41 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:20 -0700
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:37 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:09 -0700
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:42 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:25 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 07:13 -0400
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:43 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:56 -0400
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:22 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:20 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:56 -0700
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 13:55 -0400
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 17:57 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:32 -0400
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:25 +0000
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-16 20:29 -0400
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:40 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 14:19 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:21 -0400
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 10:46 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:53 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:18 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 15:44 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:56 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 16:10 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 22:21 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 12:58 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:21 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 12:07 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 12:53 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:26 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 18:30 -0400
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 15:55 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 23:27 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:17 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:17 +0000
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:10 -0700
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 02:40 +0000
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:36 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:51 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 17:08 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 17:39 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-19 17:00 -0700
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:39 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-20 00:44 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:42 +0000

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#71463

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> was all, like:
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:36:56 +0000 (UTC)
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> The big difference is that OS X works as a desktop system and Linux...
>> Doesn't. Never has, no signs it ever will.

> It does now and always will

Nope.

> Lots are using it

Nope. A vanishingly small percentage that is well outside the scope of
"margin of error" is nto "lots".

> Can you be specific about what it is your mac desktop does that
> linux desktop doesn't or are you taking the aapl kool-aid
> intravenously and can only chant aapl-isms

I use Linux and FreeBSD much more than you do. I know what I'm talking
about and you... don't. Fuck, you can't even post to USENET without
fucking that up, troll.

-- 
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Footnote: The calendar of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up.
No-one knows why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and
find out.

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#71481

On 2015-03-16 16:37:26 +0000, Electric Comet said:

> On 16 Mar 2015 16:22:56 GMT
> Ye olde AAPL kool-aid guzzler Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not much need to run Linux when OS X is Unix at the corei, is gnerally
> 
> Ha, so you are a prognosticator, the OP never stated their need
> 
>> more problem-free and easier to use than Linux distributions, and most
> 
> nowadays this comparison is not true
> 
> the big difference in linux vs. macosx is that linux can be
> configured to individual tastes to a finer degree than macosx
> 
> that finer degree would include easily modifying the source of any
> app you use on linux

Modifying the source and recompiling will never be "easy" for any but a 
tiny fraction of computer users.

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#71286

On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel
> instead of outdating hardware and software?

Sept 2014 not new enough, huh?  Indeed, it may have a newer update as 
that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now.

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#71288

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:55:31 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

> On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the
>> kernel instead of outdating hardware and software?
> 
> Sept 2014 not new enough, huh?  Indeed, it may have a newer update as
> that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now.

Since I still have a G4 PPC, I am not up to date on the newest.  I am 
going to get a newer refurbed iMac, and was just wondering how often that 
Apple does update their kernel, as I use Linux and get kernel updates 
pretty regularly.
Do Apple kernels add new features, or do they just patch security issues, 
or both?

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#71301

On 2015-03-16 13:57, sctvguy1 wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:55:31 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the
>>> kernel instead of outdating hardware and software?
>>
>> Sept 2014 not new enough, huh?  Indeed, it may have a newer update as
>> that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now.
>
> Since I still have a G4 PPC, I am not up to date on the newest.  I am
> going to get a newer refurbed iMac, and was just wondering how often that
> Apple does update their kernel, as I use Linux and get kernel updates
> pretty regularly.
> Do Apple kernels add new features, or do they just patch security issues,
> or both?

Yes.  With hardware evolution, having the support down at the metal 
level is important.

Kernel updates appear at at least each new major OS release and there 
are occasionally 'fixes' along the way.

Don't sweat it.  OS X (Mac) is a $20B+ business for Apple.  They do keep 
it up to date.

I bought an Apple refurbished 2012 iMac and it has been stellar.  Well, 
if you ignore that Time Machine screw up, anyway.  It came with 8 GB of 
RAM and I slapped in an additional 16.

Add VMWare Fusion and you can run Linux as well.  Concurrently.

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#71327

sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:55:31 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
> >> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the
> >> kernel instead of outdating hardware and software?
> > 
> > Sept 2014 not new enough, huh?  Indeed, it may have a newer update as
> > that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now.
> 
> Since I still have a G4 PPC, I am not up to date on the newest.  I am
> going to get a newer refurbed iMac, and was just wondering how often that
> Apple does update their kernel, as I use Linux and get kernel updates
> pretty regularly.

The kernel is updated for every major version of OS X (e.g. OS X 10.10
Yosemite), almost every minor version (e.g. the 10.10.2 update) and
sometimes in security updates (e.g. the latest Security Update 2015-002
included a kernel update for Yosemite).

> Do Apple kernels add new features, or do they just patch security issues,
> or both?

Same general rules apply for kernel updates as for the entire OS:

- A new major version of OS X (e.g. OS X 10.10 Yosemite) typically
introduces new features. It may also include bug fixes and security
fixes. If Apple has chosen to remove support for an old software feature
or old Mac models, this almost always happens as part of a new major
version of OS X.

- Minor version updates (e.g. OS X 10.10.2) are mostly bug fixes and
security fixes, plus adding support for recently introduced Mac models
and peripherals. Sometimes they make minor feature changes, or reinstate
features which had been removed earlier.

- Security updates (e.g. Security Update 2015-002) only fix security
issues.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#71319

On 2015-03-16, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> people who want a good used iMac, could be more assured that buying an 
> iMac would last longer and be more useful.

Install Linux on it.

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                    that's your problem.

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#71331

On 15-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel 
> instead of outdating hardware and software? 

Something about making money.

If people keep their computers for a long time, Apple sales go down. And
with a business model where the OS updates are now free, there is no
incentive to provide software updates to older hardware.

Unless...

Apple gave software updates for free to hardware that is 2 years old or
less, and made software available for purchase if you have older hardware.

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#71348

Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
> On 15-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel 
>> instead of outdating hardware and software? 

> Something about making money.

That explains why 10.8, 10.9, and 10.10 run on *all* the same hardware,
and nearly the same hardware as 10.7. Yep, greedy Apple.

You are *such* a shitbag, you know that?

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#71350

On 2015-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
>> On 15-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
>>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel 
>>> instead of outdating hardware and software? 
>
>> Something about making money.
>
> That explains why 10.8, 10.9, and 10.10 run on *all* the same hardware,
> and nearly the same hardware as 10.7. Yep, greedy Apple.
>
> You are *such* a shitbag, you know that?

One thing you can count on: JF Mezei will troll Apple whenever the
chance arises, and will very rarely (if ever) actually say anything kind
about the company. He's such a hater.

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#71359

On 15-03-17 10:19, Jolly Roger wrote:

> One thing you can count on: JF Mezei will troll Apple whenever the
> chance arises, and will very rarely (if ever) actually say anything kind
> about the company. He's such a hater.


Excuse me ? What is unkind about stating that Apple is in business to
sell hardware and not give you free OS upgrades for your 10 year old
computer ?

I did not make any comparison against other vendors, and did not say
whether Apple was better, same or worse than other vendors.

You are the one who is going out of your way to interpret my post as a
slant against Apple. That is what you do. That is all you can do.

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#71366

In article <550862a1$0$45891$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > One thing you can count on: JF Mezei will troll Apple whenever the
> > chance arises, and will very rarely (if ever) actually say anything kind
> > about the company. He's such a hater.
> 
> 
> Excuse me ? What is unkind about stating that Apple is in business to
> sell hardware and not give you free OS upgrades for your 10 year old
> computer ?

You maligned Apple's motives for not supporting older hardware.  Stop
being so disingenuous.

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#71369

On 15-03-17 13:46, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> You maligned Apple's motives for not supporting older hardware.  Stop
> being so disingenuous.

Maligned ?  Really ?

Apple is in business to make money. It's business model is to sell
hardware.  Is that maligning the company when I state that ? And if your
business model is to sell hardware, then you want people to upgrade as
often as possible.

This in no way passes judgement on Apple, and in no way says that Apple
is bad or that it is worse or better than other companies in terms of
how long Apple expects to support hardware. In fact, Apple is better
than the others in supporting older hardware. But it is still in
business to make money and that means selling hardware.

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#71410

On 2015-03-17, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-17 13:46, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> You maligned Apple's motives for not supporting older hardware.  Stop
>> being so disingenuous.
>
> Maligned ?  Really ?
>
> Apple is in business to make money. It's business model is to sell
> hardware.  Is that maligning the company when I state that ? And if your
> business model is to sell hardware, then you want people to upgrade as
> often as possible.

Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force
people to upgrade.

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#71417

On 15-03-17 15:18, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force
> people to upgrade.

degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ?

It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong
with that.  But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade
hardware. I didn't say "force". So please stop putting words in my mind
to twist everything I say to allow you to accuse me of being a troll
against Apple.

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#71419

On 2015-03-17, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-17 15:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force
>> people to upgrade.
>
> degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ?
>
> It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong
> with that.  

Glad you agree.

> But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade
> hardware.

Nothing wrong with that.

> I didn't say "force".

Nevertheless, you still haven't properly addressed the original question
which was why Apple doesn't continually update the kernel (which they
actually do).  Your response "to make money" was disingenuous, and you
refuse to admit it. You are trolling, as usual.

> So please stop putting words in my mind
> to twist everything I say to allow you to accuse me of being a troll
> against Apple.

I don't have to put words in your mouth. The words you speak are
sufficient.

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#71420

On 15-03-17 15:56, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Glad you agree.

So you agree I didn't disagree and that accusations of my denigrating
Apple were not warranted ?

> actually do).  Your response "to make money" was disingenuous, and you
> refuse to admit it. You are trolling, as usual.

I was responding to message about upgrades to older hardware. Not about
kernel upgrades generically.

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#71476

In article <55088408$0$1488$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force
> > people to upgrade.
> 
> degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ?
> 
> It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong
> with that.  But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade
> hardware. 

By the time a computer is not supported by the current OS, it's usually
time to replace the computer for other reasons.

When Mountain Lion came out in July 2011, I had a late 2006 iMac, which
was the newest model that could not run Mountain Lion.  That's support
going back five years.  Yosemite can run on Macs that came out in 2007;
that's going back eight years.

If what you allege is true, the OS wouldn't be able to run on machines
more than two years old.

You have been told this before, but fail to acknowledge it, so yes, you
are trolling.

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#71487

On 2015-03-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <55088408$0$1488$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> > Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force
>> > people to upgrade.
>> 
>> degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ?
>> 
>> It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong
>> with that.  But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade
>> hardware. 
>
> By the time a computer is not supported by the current OS, it's usually
> time to replace the computer for other reasons.
>
> When Mountain Lion came out in July 2011, I had a late 2006 iMac, which
> was the newest model that could not run Mountain Lion.  That's support
> going back five years.  Yosemite can run on Macs that came out in 2007;
> that's going back eight years.
>
> If what you allege is true, the OS wouldn't be able to run on machines
> more than two years old.
>
> You have been told this before, but fail to acknowledge it, so yes, you
> are trolling.

It's all he does, when you think about it. Rarely, if ever, does he say
anything about Apple that might be seen in a good light. 

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#71507

In article <cmtb30F4eneU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > You have been told this before, but fail to acknowledge it, so yes, you
> > are trolling.
> 
> It's all he does, when you think about it. Rarely, if ever, does he say
> anything about Apple that might be seen in a good light. 

Or that may be factually based.

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