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| Started by | Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> |
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| First post | 2018-09-09 00:32 +0200 |
| Last post | 2018-09-09 23:54 +0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 287 — 26 participants |
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No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-09-09 00:32 +0200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-09 17:19 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-09 11:26 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:14 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-06 23:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-09 18:17 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 11:50 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 15:26 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 13:34 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 16:39 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 17:34 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 16:56 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 13:34 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 18:39 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:35 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-11 06:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:41 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:42 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-09-11 16:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:55 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 06:21 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:46 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:47 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 13:47 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-12 06:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:21 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2018-11-06 10:48 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 11:59 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 20:39 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-10 23:20 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:30 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-11 14:59 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 17:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 00:28 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 20:46 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 18:17 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-12 19:34 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 13:59 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-13 16:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 22:39 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-09-14 20:13 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-15 11:54 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-15 08:41 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 16:04 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 15:55 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:24 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-06 15:53 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 12:29 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 12:34 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 12:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 12:55 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 13:35 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 11:17 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 17:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 15:05 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 20:00 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 17:29 -0800
OT: About OS/2 (Was:Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 09:16 -0500
Re: OT: About OS/2 (Was:Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server) SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 09:58 -0500
Re: OT: About OS/2 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 19:07 +0000
Re: OT: About OS/2 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nobody <nobodysaysitalldoesntit@nobo.org> - 2018-11-06 18:14 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 20:01 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 19:06 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 14:13 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-07 18:58 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 18:04 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-07 17:13 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 14:58 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 09:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 09:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 10:44 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 11:13 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-07 08:43 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 11:46 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 11:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 12:05 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:36 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 12:41 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:20 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:13 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 07:45 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:12 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 13:22 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 19:00 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:10 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:16 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:18 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:09 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:06 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:00 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 12:37 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 16:19 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:31 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-09 11:56 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 15:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:12 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 17:46 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 08:58 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:03 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 22:13 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:22 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:06 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:29 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:53 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:13 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-07 13:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 07:47 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 09:15 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 11:57 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 11:09 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 12:14 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:10 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 08:48 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:33 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 11:56 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:07 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 22:06 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:11 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:32 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 09:54 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-09 11:48 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 11:45 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 12:01 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:33 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:13 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:19 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:23 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:29 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:46 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 23:27 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 16:50 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 00:19 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:29 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:40 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:17 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-09 17:59 -0500
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Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:14 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:17 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:27 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:26 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:22 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 18:56 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 12:09 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 16:08 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 16:38 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 17:26 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 18:01 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 11:30 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 18:53 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 12:54 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 21:03 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 14:52 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 22:26 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 15:39 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-11 19:26 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:43 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 20:45 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 20:43 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-12 09:03 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:40 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 18:33 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 08:53 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 16:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-12 14:22 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:00 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 08:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 23:49 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 19:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 13:22 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 09:27 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:17 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 12:49 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:01 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:36 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 14:32 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:47 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 15:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:09 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:02 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 13:49 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:48 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:16 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:20 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 18:57 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-11 09:06 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 17:11 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 17:26 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:27 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:21 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:05 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:35 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:09 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:50 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:23 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:02 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 19:04 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:39 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:50 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2018-11-09 13:19 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:38 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:33 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-10 10:02 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 13:55 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:47 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:45 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:53 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 10:20 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 09:29 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 15:13 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 20:56 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 20:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:05 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 12:35 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 18:56 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:11 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:41 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-07 11:47 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:31 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:31 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 17:55 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 16:11 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-12 14:10 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 18:35 +0000
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <081120181630071633%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119297 |
In article <og69uddikmrsd4ffk0d2kstrhs0l9kcgke@4ax.com>, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > There is no such thing as a "wrong" size. Every size possible (within > reason) would be right, for someone. that's true, however, what matters more is whether it's worthwhile to manufacture every size possible.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 19:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <884FD.565666$8r2.28769@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #119297 |
On 2018-11-08 15:23, chrisv wrote: > Wolf K wrote: > >> About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would >> about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about >> as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest >> iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wan't far off. > > There is no such thing as a "wrong" size. Every size possible (within > reason) would be right, for someone. > > The more sizes, the more choice, that is offered, the more people will > find something close to what is optimal for them. > True, but don't expect many sizes, for the simple reason that increased variety means increased costs. Retail is brutal. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 19:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g4k88kFt3ipU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119297 |
On 11/8/18 1:23 PM, chrisv wrote: > Wolf K wrote: > >> About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would >> about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about >> as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest >> iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wan't far off. > > There is no such thing as a "wrong" size. Every size possible (within > reason) would be right, for someone. He clearly meant the size that would work best for most. And, yes, there are wrong sizes. Of course there are wrong sizes. And of course size matters... if it did not design teams would not need to consider it! > The more sizes, the more choice, that is offered, the more people will > find something close to what is optimal for them. Maybe. Maybe not. > -- 'That everyday anxiety over making the wrong choice is why having a > vast selection of choices tends to make people less happy in general. > After all, once you make the decision and get locked in, you never stop > thinking "What if."' - some thing, pulling snit out his ass. You seem to be referencing this: <https://www.biopsychiatry.com/happiness/choice.html> Would be great if you could understand it! -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <081120181630061555%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119293 |
In article <Zr0FD.269211$MJ2.237366@fx11.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>> I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke. > >> > >> Um have you browsed Staples, etc lately? Even low-end tablets are > >> selling well, at the one I visit most, there are more tablets than > >> laptops displayed. > > > > what's on display in a store is not an indication of how well they're > > actually selling. > > With Staples and the Source, it usually is. They don't restock stuff > that takes too long to sell. That is relegated to their online store, > and quite often isn't restocked there either. Retail is brutal. you have no idea what their stock level is or how many units they move per day/week/month. > >> They do what most people want: surf the web, email, > >> photo, and video, plus connect to anything wi-fi or Bluetooth. Most > >> people do _not_ want to add all kinds of programs to their devices, or > >> tweak them with 3rd party hardware and software. > > > > not true. > > I referred to low-end tablets, a reference you conveniently snipped. Low > end tablets are limited, sure, but the users I know are happy they have > them. low end tablets can run apps just as easily as high end tablets, although the more advanced apps won't work as well, or at all. > > a major example is adobe's recent announcement that the full photoshop > > is coming to ipad. that's a major undertaking, something they would not > > have done had there been no demand for it. > > Yup, it's a recognition that more and more people want tablets to be > full-fledged computers. tablets *are* full fledged computers, and in many cases, can do things a desktop or laptop cannot, often in a more pleasant or more productive way. > IOW, that the Surface has shown us the future of > personal computing. See also the "convertible" laptops. no it definitely hasn't. convertible laptops try to combine desktop and touch, two very different paradigms, and don't do either one all that well. > The desktop is > already a niche market, the laptop is trending that way too. you're confusing mature with niche. > A year or > three from now, people will be whinging about how tablets aren't real > computers, they have been doing that since tablets first appeared, mostly from people who don't know what a tablet can actually do. > just like they whinged that laptops weren't real computers. yep, they did that too, and soon realized their mistake. many people said anything with a gui wasn't real computer, something dumbed down for the masses. they were wrong about that too. > FWIW, this big box is getting to be a PITA. It's big and bulky, and > offers no real advantage over a laptop or high-end tablet. I need the > space for other purposes, and will dispose of this machine within the > next 6 months or less. I doubt I'll find a buyer, and may not even be > able to give it away. there's very little demand for used pcs, although you might be able to flip it at a swap meet. > > there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets, > > particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much > > more. > > Yes, but these aren't for most people. They are business/profession > specific. it shows that tablets can do a *lot* more than just surf the web, email and play videos. > >> Some tablets are being > >> offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a phone if you want. Some > >> people want. > > > > 4g on tablets is for data, not voice, so that one can be connected when > > wifi is not available, and since it's data-only, the fees are less. > > A recent flyer from our local pusher highlighted the phone feature. that means nothing. what matters is whether people buy it for that purpose and actually use it that way. > I've > noticed that people often hold the phone face up like a mini-tablet and > talk at it, not into it. i've noticed that too. it's very weird. > So a tablet with phone is an obvious next step > I think. it isn't. who wants to carry a tablet-sized phone everywhere?? > > very, very few tablets can function as a normal cellphone. there's not > > much point, especially with the larger 'phablet' phones. > > True, for the moment. I think the market hasn't settled yet. it mostly has. nearly everyone who wants a smartphone already has one. sales are now mostly those upgrading from their previous smartphone. there is very little growth left. > It could > turn out that the current large smartphones are too big for handy > phoning, but too small for handy computing. We'll see. A recent > resurgence in flip-phones suggests that a lot of people still aren't > surer exactly what they want a phone to be. what resurgence? flipphone sales are lost in the noise. they could double and nobody would notice, nor care. > About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would > about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about > as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest > iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wan't far off. the dell streak was the first 5" phone and people thought it was stupid. it failed (and not just due to size). a year or two later, samsung came out with the note, mostly so it could have a larger battery that could last longer than a few hours (early lte chipsets were *very* power-hungry). it sold well, much to everyone's surprise. now, phablets are very popular, and the lte chipsets far more energy efficient too. not everyone wants a large phone, however, so there are also smaller sizes. choice is good.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 19:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <KG4FD.502924$sO2.49283@fx41.iad> |
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On 2018-11-08 16:30, nospam wrote: > In article <Zr0FD.269211$MJ2.237366@fx11.iad>, Wolf K > <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>>>> I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke. >>>> >>>> Um have you browsed Staples, etc lately? Even low-end tablets are >>>> selling well, at the one I visit most, there are more tablets than >>>> laptops displayed. >>> >>> what's on display in a store is not an indication of how well they're >>> actually selling. >> >> With Staples and the Source, it usually is. They don't restock stuff >> that takes too long to sell. That is relegated to their online store, >> and quite often isn't restocked there either. Retail is brutal. > > you have no idea what their stock level is or how many units they move > per day/week/month. True, but I do have an idea about what's on display, and what's on sale. That tells you a lot about what they're trying to move. >>>> They do what most people want: surf the web, email, >>>> photo, and video, plus connect to anything wi-fi or Bluetooth. Most >>>> people do _not_ want to add all kinds of programs to their devices, or >>>> tweak them with 3rd party hardware and software. >>> >>> not true. >> >> I referred to low-end tablets, a reference you conveniently snipped. Low >> end tablets are limited, sure, but the users I know are happy they have >> them. > > low end tablets can run apps just as easily as high end tablets, > although the more advanced apps won't work as well, or at all. Yup, that's why they are _low end_ tablets. etc. >>> a major example is adobe's recent announcement that the full photoshop >>> is coming to ipad. that's a major undertaking, something they would not >>> have done had there been no demand for it. >> >> Yup, it's a recognition that more and more people want tablets to be >> full-fledged computers. > > tablets *are* full fledged computers, and in many cases, can do things > a desktop or laptop cannot, often in a more pleasant or more productive > way. To imitate you style: "That depends on the tablet." >> IOW, that the Surface has shown us the future of >> personal computing. See also the "convertible" laptops. > > no it definitely hasn't. > > convertible laptops try to combine desktop and touch, two very > different paradigms, and don't do either one all that well. > >> The desktop is >> already a niche market, the laptop is trending that way too. > > you're confusing mature with niche. Nope. A market can be mature without being niche, eg SUVs. The desktop happens to be both. It matured before it became a niche, which AFAICT is the usual sequence. >> A year or >> three from now, people will be whinging about how tablets aren't real >> computers, > > they have been doing that since tablets first appeared, mostly from > people who don't know what a tablet can actually do. True, but just watch what happens when laptops become a niche. They're well on the way. >> just like they whinged that laptops weren't real computers. > > yep, they did that too, and soon realized their mistake. True, which is why the the latest Get_Your_Stuff_For_Christmas flyers here doesn't show a single desktop. All laptops and tablets. > many people said anything with a gui wasn't real computer, something > dumbed down for the masses. they were wrong about that too. True. They said such devices were toys. >> FWIW, this big box is getting to be a PITA. It's big and bulky, and >> offers no real advantage over a laptop or high-end tablet. I need the >> space for other purposes, and will dispose of this machine within the >> next 6 months or less. I doubt I'll find a buyer, and may not even be >> able to give it away. > > there's very little demand for used pcs, although you might be able to > flip it at a swap meet. No such event here, unfortunately. >>> there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets, >>> particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much >>> more. >> >> Yes, but these aren't for most people. They are business/profession >> specific. > > it shows that tablets can do a *lot* more than just surf the web, email > and play videos. Sure, but most people don't care about that. Which was my point: it';s not abouit what the device could do, but what people want it to do. Our devices are overpowered as it is. Sending a email with a any current deviec is like sending a single post card with a 747. >>>> Some tablets are being >>>> offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a phone if you want. Some >>>> people want. >>> >>> 4g on tablets is for data, not voice, so that one can be connected when >>> wifi is not available, and since it's data-only, the fees are less. >> >> A recent flyer from our local pusher highlighted the phone feature. > > that means nothing. Oh yes it does. It indicates that the marketers have decided that it's a feature that quite a lot of people either already want, or will want as soon as they realise they can have it. If marketing sees a possible increase in margin, that's significant. Of course, it may turn out they've over-interpreted their data, but it's too soon to tell. > what matters is whether people buy it for that purpose and actually use > it that way. Fact is, a lot of stuff is sold on features that people will never use. It's the reason so many people buy pickup trucks. >> I've >> noticed that people often hold the phone face up like a mini-tablet and >> talk at it, not into it. > > i've noticed that too. it's very weird. Yeah, but now that I have to waer hearing aids, I fully underrtsnad it. >> So a tablet with phone is an obvious next step >> I think. > > it isn't. > > who wants to carry a tablet-sized phone everywhere?? You have a point, but then, who wants to carry two devices if one will do the job? People will buy all kinds of stuff because they think it's practical. Practical is a variety of cool, and cool is powerful. Data point: My dad bought a Klepperboot, a bundle of canvas and sticks that could be unfolded into something resembling a boat. He used it once. >>> very, very few tablets can function as a normal cellphone. there's not >>> much point, especially with the larger 'phablet' phones. >> >> True, for the moment. I think the market hasn't settled yet. > > it mostly has. nearly everyone who wants a smartphone already has one. > sales are now mostly those upgrading from their previous smartphone. > there is very little growth left. > >> It could >> turn out that the current large smartphones are too big for handy >> phoning, but too small for handy computing. We'll see. A recent >> resurgence in flip-phones suggests that a lot of people still aren't >> surer exactly what they want a phone to be. > > what resurgence? flipphone sales are lost in the noise. they could > double and nobody would notice, nor care. I've seen flip phones featured as a fashion accessory. Pay attention to that. When a device become a fashion accessory, all reasonable speculations about its future are off. >> About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would >> about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about >> as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest >> iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wasn't far off. > > the dell streak was the first 5" phone and people thought it was > stupid. it failed (and not just due to size). > > a year or two later, samsung came out with the note, mostly so it could > have a larger battery that could last longer than a few hours (early > lte chipsets were *very* power-hungry). it sold well, much to > everyone's surprise. Not to those who paid attention to fashion. In an over-producing economy like ours, fashion drives at least 50% of the market. Ignore it at your peril. If you see any hints that the iPhone is no longer cool, sell your Apple stock. (The biz pages recently reported that Apple has lost a few mil in capitalisation because iPhone sales have slipped in the last quarter or two: a straw in the wind, or just a hiccup? We'll see.) > now, phablets are very popular, and the lte chipsets far more energy > efficient too. > > not everyone wants a large phone, however, so there are also smaller > sizes. > > choice is good. Ciao, -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <081120182152362589%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119317 |
In article <KG4FD.502924$sO2.49283@fx41.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Um have you browsed Staples, etc lately? Even low-end tablets are > >>>> selling well, at the one I visit most, there are more tablets than > >>>> laptops displayed. > >>> > >>> what's on display in a store is not an indication of how well they're > >>> actually selling. > >> > >> With Staples and the Source, it usually is. They don't restock stuff > >> that takes too long to sell. That is relegated to their online store, > >> and quite often isn't restocked there either. Retail is brutal. > > > > you have no idea what their stock level is or how many units they move > > per day/week/month. > > True, but I do have an idea about what's on display, and what's on sale. > That tells you a lot about what they're trying to move. trying to move != actually moving. > > >>> a major example is adobe's recent announcement that the full photoshop > >>> is coming to ipad. that's a major undertaking, something they would not > >>> have done had there been no demand for it. > >> > >> Yup, it's a recognition that more and more people want tablets to be > >> full-fledged computers. > > > > tablets *are* full fledged computers, and in many cases, can do things > > a desktop or laptop cannot, often in a more pleasant or more productive > > way. > > To imitate you style: "That depends on the tablet." not really. even a low end tablet can do things that a desktop/laptop can't. it depends on the specific task. pick the best tool for the job. > >> IOW, that the Surface has shown us the future of > >> personal computing. See also the "convertible" laptops. > > > > no it definitely hasn't. > > > > convertible laptops try to combine desktop and touch, two very > > different paradigms, and don't do either one all that well. > > > >> The desktop is > >> already a niche market, the laptop is trending that way too. > > > > you're confusing mature with niche. > > Nope. A market can be mature without being niche, eg SUVs. The desktop > happens to be both. It matured before it became a niche, which AFAICT is > the usual sequence. desktop/laptops are anything but niche. suvs can be considered a niche. most people don't need them. usually there's only one person inside (the driver), perhaps two. > >> A year or > >> three from now, people will be whinging about how tablets aren't real > >> computers, > > > > they have been doing that since tablets first appeared, mostly from > > people who don't know what a tablet can actually do. > > True, but just watch what happens when laptops become a niche. They're > well on the way. no they aren't. mobile will become more common, but there will still be a need for laptops and even desktops. > >> just like they whinged that laptops weren't real computers. > > > > yep, they did that too, and soon realized their mistake. > > True, which is why the the latest Get_Your_Stuff_For_Christmas flyers > here doesn't show a single desktop. All laptops and tablets. laptops have outsold desktops for more than a decade. > > many people said anything with a gui wasn't real computer, something > > dumbed down for the masses. they were wrong about that too. > > True. They said such devices were toys. and they were wrong. > >> FWIW, this big box is getting to be a PITA. It's big and bulky, and > >> offers no real advantage over a laptop or high-end tablet. I need the > >> space for other purposes, and will dispose of this machine within the > >> next 6 months or less. I doubt I'll find a buyer, and may not even be > >> able to give it away. > > > > there's very little demand for used pcs, although you might be able to > > flip it at a swap meet. > > No such event here, unfortunately. that sucks. it's a great way to buy and sell cheap hardware without the hassles and expense of shipping, especially for hard to find items or large & heavy items. > >>> there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets, > >>> particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much > >>> more. > >> > >> Yes, but these aren't for most people. They are business/profession > >> specific. > > > > it shows that tablets can do a *lot* more than just surf the web, email > > and play videos. > > Sure, but most people don't care about that. sez you. > Which was my point: it';s > not abouit what the device could do, but what people want it to do. and they want it to do more than just surf, email and watch videos. the number of tablet optimized apps (at least on the ipad) is clear proof of that. > Our devices are overpowered as it is. Sending a email with a any current > deviec is like sending a single post card with a 747. for some things they are overpowered, but for other things they are not. computational photography, for example, especially when done in real time, is pushing the limits of today's technology. augmented reality and gaming are also areas which push the limits. > >>>> Some tablets are being > >>>> offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a phone if you want. Some > >>>> people want. > >>> > >>> 4g on tablets is for data, not voice, so that one can be connected when > >>> wifi is not available, and since it's data-only, the fees are less. > >> > >> A recent flyer from our local pusher highlighted the phone feature. > > > > that means nothing. > > Oh yes it does. It indicates that the marketers have decided that it's a > feature that quite a lot of people either already want, or will want as > soon as they realise they can have it. If marketing sees a possible > increase in margin, that's significant. Of course, it may turn out > they've over-interpreted their data, but it's too soon to tell. all it indicates is that they want to sell a particular product, often because it isn't selling that well and they need to move inventory to make room for new stuff that's coming. successful products don't need a push. > > what matters is whether people buy it for that purpose and actually use > > it that way. > > Fact is, a lot of stuff is sold on features that people will never use. > It's the reason so many people buy pickup trucks. some stuff might be, but that doesn't last. people aren't fooled for very long. > >> I've > >> noticed that people often hold the phone face up like a mini-tablet and > >> talk at it, not into it. > > > > i've noticed that too. it's very weird. > > Yeah, but now that I have to waer hearing aids, I fully underrtsnad it. most people i see doing that are under 30. older people use a phone like they always have, held up to their ear... > >> So a tablet with phone is an obvious next step > >> I think. > > > > it isn't. > > > > who wants to carry a tablet-sized phone everywhere?? > > You have a point, but then, who wants to carry two devices if one will > do the job? that's why phablets have become popular. it displays more content than a smaller phone but without the inconvenience of a larger tablet. however, one device doing the job of two will always be a compromise. some might choose a smaller phone for every day use and bring a tablet or laptop only when necessary, while others will accept the compromises of one device. > People will buy all kinds of stuff because they think it's > practical. Practical is a variety of cool, and cool is powerful. Data > point: My dad bought a Klepperboot, a bundle of canvas and sticks that > could be unfolded into something resembling a boat. He used it once. that decision was not based on practicality. > > > >> It could > >> turn out that the current large smartphones are too big for handy > >> phoning, but too small for handy computing. We'll see. A recent > >> resurgence in flip-phones suggests that a lot of people still aren't > >> surer exactly what they want a phone to be. > > > > what resurgence? flipphone sales are lost in the noise. they could > > double and nobody would notice, nor care. > > I've seen flip phones featured as a fashion accessory. Pay attention to > that. When a device become a fashion accessory, all reasonable > speculations about its future are off. flippers aren't selling anywhere near as much as smartphones and they're not fashion accessories either. smartphone cases are the fashion accessories, ranging from amusing to impractical: <https://www.boredpanda.com/coolest-iphone-cases/> <https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51i8XbyOl-L.jpg> <https://www.youngisthan.in/userfiles/iphone-cases/hair-brush-iphone-cas e.jpg> otherwise, most phones are very boring looking. > >> About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would > >> about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about > >> as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest > >> iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wasn't far off. > > > > the dell streak was the first 5" phone and people thought it was > > stupid. it failed (and not just due to size). > > > > a year or two later, samsung came out with the note, mostly so it could > > have a larger battery that could last longer than a few hours (early > > lte chipsets were *very* power-hungry). it sold well, much to > > everyone's surprise. > > Not to those who paid attention to fashion. In an over-producing economy > like ours, fashion drives at least 50% of the market. Ignore it at your > peril. not so much in tech. > If you see any hints that the iPhone is no longer cool, sell your > Apple stock. (The biz pages recently reported that Apple has lost a few > mil in capitalisation because iPhone sales have slipped in the last > quarter or two: a straw in the wind, or just a hiccup? We'll see.) iphone sales have not slipped. the reason for the recent drop in the stock price was that apple will no longer report unit sales for each product and wall street is freaked out about it, yet for some reason, they don't seem to mind that very few other companies report unit sales. amazon says the kindle sells well, but how many exactly? nobody outside of amazon knows. there is also a lot of market manipulation going on (it happens every quarter). fabricate a story, the stock price drops, forming a wonderful buy-op, and then cash in on the rebound. apple stock is already up 5% from last week's low. and it's not just apple. bloomberg news, as a matter of corporate policy, is to write stories that manipulate the market. witness their bullshit story about hacked servers.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 14:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XxlFD.371636$vJ1.66082@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #119330 |
On 2018-11-08 21:52, nospam wrote: [...] > desktop/laptops are anything but niche. [...] Mainstream = used by most people. Niche = preferred by some group for some purposes, eg professionals for work-related tasks. Desktops are no longer mainstream. Laptops still are, but there are signs that people are beginning to limit their use to "serious work", especially if they can afford a tablet and/or smartphone as well. There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop models. The fact that laptops can be and are used for fun may not be enough to save them. BTW I've noticed that large-screen (17") laptops are available almost entirely on gaming machines. Plain vanilla laptops are generally 15" or smaller. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 13:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bqpbudh4ci0ok68qfhp7u9a5o7ut5fq1n1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #119366 |
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 14:50:13 -0500, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Mainstream = used by most people. > >Niche = preferred by some group for some purposes, eg professionals for >work-related tasks. > >Desktops are no longer mainstream. Laptops still are, but there are >signs that people are beginning to limit their use to "serious work", >especially if they can afford a tablet and/or smartphone as well. >There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models >available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop >models. > >The fact that laptops can be and are used for fun may not be enough to >save them. BTW I've noticed that large-screen (17") laptops are >available almost entirely on gaming machines. Plain vanilla laptops are >generally 15" or smaller. I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to say desktops are no longer mainstream, but it's certainly true that desktops have recently been rapidly losing ground to laptops--at least for home users; doctors offices, lawyers offices, other professionals still mostly use desktops. As far as I'm concerned, using a laptop instead of a desktop is a bad mistake, for several reasons: 1. Laptops are more expensive to buy 2. Laptops are more expensive to repair 3. It's often more expensive to buy and replace a laptop component in a laptop than an equivalent component in a desktop 4. It's usually much harder and more expensive to upgrade hardware in a laptop than in a desktop 5. Desktops can often be repaired or upgraded by their owners. That's seldom as common on a laptop. 6. I'm against all all-in-one devices. If a component fails, sometimes you can't just replace it, but have to replace the whole device. 7. Laptops are more readily stolen. 8. Laptops are more readily taken somewhere and lost. 9. Laptops are more prone to being dropped and broken. 10. Laptops usually get their Internet access by WI-FI, while desktops generally get it by an Ethernet connection, which is much faster. I know my views on this are in the minority, since so many people these days buy laptops instead of desktops. But I'm right and they're wrong. <VBG> A laptop, as a second computer, is great for traveling. It's a poor choice as your only computer, for using at home. And to me, the smaller the laptop, the better, since size and weight are important factors when traveling.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120181711412199%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119371 |
In article <bqpbudh4ci0ok68qfhp7u9a5o7ut5fq1n1@4ax.com>, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote: > I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to say desktops are no longer > mainstream, but it's certainly true that desktops have recently been > rapidly losing ground to laptops--at least for home users; doctors > offices, lawyers offices, other professionals still mostly use > desktops. it's very common to see doctors, lawyers, etc. with a laptop that links back to corporate servers, possibly even a tablet (common in hospitals). > As far as I'm concerned, using a laptop instead of a desktop is a bad > mistake, for several reasons: > > 1. Laptops are more expensive to buy not really, but even so, the portability is worth it. > 2. Laptops are more expensive to repair the better ones rarely fail, but if they do, it's usually covered under warranty, so not an issue, and if not, it's not that hard to fix. > 3. It's often more expensive to buy and replace a laptop component in > a laptop than an equivalent component in a desktop that's the same as #2. > 4. It's usually much harder and more expensive to upgrade hardware in > a laptop than in a desktop no it isn't. memory and hard drives are usually very easy to replace, while other parts just need additional disassembly. however, it's rare that people upgrade after purchase. > 5. Desktops can often be repaired or upgraded by their owners. That's > seldom as common on a laptop. it's rare that owners repair or upgrade their computers no matter what kind it is, but if something fails, they take it someplace to be repaired, as they do with cars and many other products. > 6. I'm against all all-in-one devices. If a component fails, sometimes > you can't just replace it, but have to replace the whole device. not always, but so what? chances are that by the time something fails, the device is old enough that a replacement is worthwhile. > 7. Laptops are more readily stolen. don't leave it unattended, or use tracking to find it. some laptops even have a security slot so they can be locked down, making it very difficult to steal. > 8. Laptops are more readily taken somewhere exactly why they're *better*. > and lost. take responsibility for keeping track of your stuff and nothing will get lost, not just laptops either. > 9. Laptops are more prone to being dropped and broken. stop being a klutz, or use a padded case. > 10. Laptops usually get their Internet access by WI-FI, while desktops > generally get it by an Ethernet connection, which is much faster. false. the speed of the internet service is the limiting factor, especially with public wifi hotspots, which are usually overloaded and not that fast even if they weren't. for wifi to be the limiting factor, one would need dedicated gigabit internet service just for that one device *and* keep the network saturated. anything less than that and it won't be wifi (or wired) that's the bottleneck. > I know my views on this are in the minority, since so many people > these days buy laptops instead of desktops. But I'm right and they're > wrong. <VBG> they're in the minority because they're wrong. > A laptop, as a second computer, is great for traveling. that depends on the laptop. some are bigger than others. > It's a poor > choice as your only computer, for using at home. maybe for you, but not for others. > And to me, the > smaller the laptop, the better, since size and weight are important > factors when traveling. there is a point where something becomes too small.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120181711422285%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119366 |
In article <XxlFD.371636$vJ1.66082@fx05.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > desktop/laptops are anything but niche. > > Mainstream = used by most people. > > Niche = preferred by some group for some purposes, eg professionals for > work-related tasks. therefore, not niche. > Desktops are no longer mainstream. yes they are. > Laptops still are, but there are > signs that people are beginning to limit their use to "serious work", > especially if they can afford a tablet and/or smartphone as well. that depends on the particular tasks as well as other factors. some things are better done on a tablet while others are better done on a laptop or desktop, and for some, it doesn't really matter. > There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models > available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop > models. not really. there are still a lot of options. > The fact that laptops can be and are used for fun may not be enough to > save them. BTW I've noticed that large-screen (17") laptops are > available almost entirely on gaming machines. gaming systems are a niche and 17" laptops are pushing the limits of portability, better described as a portable desktop. there is even a 21" 'laptop': <https://cdn2.techadvisor.co.uk/cmsdata/reviews/3645959/acer_predator_21 x_review01.jpg> > Plain vanilla laptops are > generally 15" or smaller. yep. 13-15" is the sweet spot, with ultraportables for those who travel a lot.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 19:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7MpFD.1025065$RN2.880239@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #119378 |
On 2018-11-09 17:11, nospam wrote: > In article <XxlFD.371636$vJ1.66082@fx05.iad>, Wolf K > <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: [...] > >> There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models >> available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop >> models. > > not really. there are still a lot of options. "Still a lot" is consistent with "not as many as there used to be", which is my point. [snip list of what apparently are intended as exceptions to my generalisations] A generalisation is true if it applies to 50% + 1 of the set it describes. If not qualified with "all. Every, ...." a statement is a generalisation. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Genetics is not genealogy." (Graham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120182008540244%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119395 |
In article <7MpFD.1025065$RN2.880239@fx40.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models > >> available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop > >> models. > > > > not really. there are still a lot of options. > > "Still a lot" is consistent with "not as many as there used to be", > which is my point. it has not dropped anywhere close to what would be considered niche.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 21:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <RrrFD.525382$OM2.353305@fx37.iad> |
| In reply to | #119401 |
On 2018-11-09 20:08, nospam wrote: > In article <7MpFD.1025065$RN2.880239@fx40.iad>, Wolf K > <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>>> There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models >>>> available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop >>>> models. >>> >>> not really. there are still a lot of options. >> >> "Still a lot" is consistent with "not as many as there used to be", >> which is my point. > > it has not dropped anywhere close to what would be considered niche. > Ah, so you think numbers define "niche". I don't, as I made perfectly clear. So justify the numbers aspect, if you please. Or else stop trying to disprove a point I didn't make. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Genetics is not genealogy." (Graham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120182222029542%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119408 |
In article <RrrFD.525382$OM2.353305@fx37.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>>> There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models > >>>> available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop > >>>> models. > >>> > >>> not really. there are still a lot of options. > >> > >> "Still a lot" is consistent with "not as many as there used to be", > >> which is my point. > > > > it has not dropped anywhere close to what would be considered niche. > > Ah, so you think numbers define "niche". I don't, as I made perfectly > clear. then you'd be wrong. > So justify the numbers aspect, if you please. 'small', which is very clearly *not* applicable to laptops or desktops. <http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/market-niche.html> A small but profitable segment of a market suitable for focused attention by a marketer. Market niches do not exist by themselves, but are created by identifying needs or wants that are not being addressed by competitors, and by offering products that satisfy them. See also market segmentation. <https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/niche_2> of interest or appeal only to a small number of people <https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/niche> Denoting or relating to products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population. > Or else stop trying to disprove a point I didn't make. stop backpedaling.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-10 10:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <9qCFD.678201$lM2.575307@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #119410 |
On 2018-11-09 22:22, nospam wrote: > In article <RrrFD.525382$OM2.353305@fx37.iad>, Wolf K > <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>>>>> There's been a noticeable reduction in the number of laptop models >>>>>> available form the usual sources, and an even great reduction in desktop >>>>>> models. >>>>> >>>>> not really. there are still a lot of options. >>>> >>>> "Still a lot" is consistent with "not as many as there used to be", >>>> which is my point. >>> >>> it has not dropped anywhere close to what would be considered niche. >> >> Ah, so you think numbers define "niche". I don't, as I made perfectly >> clear. > > then you'd be wrong. > >> So justify the numbers aspect, if you please. > > 'small', which is very clearly *not* applicable to laptops or desktops. "Small" is relative. [snip nugatory comments] -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Genetics is not genealogy." (Graham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-10 13:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <101120181355127593%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119430 |
In article <9qCFD.678201$lM2.575307@fx39.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > 'small', which is very clearly *not* applicable to laptops or desktops. > > "Small" is relative. yep, and desktop/laptop use is anything but small.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 19:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dUpFD.1025068$RN2.540040@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #119378 |
On 2018-11-09 17:11, nospam wrote: > In article<XxlFD.371636$vJ1.66082@fx05.iad>, Wolf K > <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>> desktop/laptops are anything but niche. >> Mainstream = used by most people. >> >> Niche = preferred by some group for some purposes, eg professionals for >> work-related tasks. > therefore, not niche. > [...] I do you the courtesy of defining my use of "mainstream" and "niche", and then you claim that my example of "niche" somehow means "mainstream". If you don't like my uses of those terms, either state your own, or offer alternatives. But don't argue a point I didn't make. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Genetics is not genealogy." (Graham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120182008550280%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119397 |
In article <dUpFD.1025068$RN2.540040@fx40.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>> desktop/laptops are anything but niche. > >> Mainstream = used by most people. > >> > >> Niche = preferred by some group for some purposes, eg professionals for > >> work-related tasks. > > therefore, not niche. > > > [...] > > I do you the courtesy of defining my use of "mainstream" and "niche", > and then you claim that my example of "niche" somehow means "mainstream". i did not claim that. > If you don't like my uses of those terms, either state your own, or > offer alternatives. i'm using the definitions *you* gave. although 'professionals for work-related tasks' is irrelevant. > But don't argue a point I didn't make. take your own advice.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 21:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <TCrFD.1025073$RN2.495681@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #119402 |
On 2018-11-09 20:08, nospam wrote: >>>>> desktop/laptops are anything but niche. >>>> Mainstream = used by most people. >>>> >>>> Niche = preferred by some group for some purposes, eg professionals for >>>> work-related tasks. >>> therefore, not niche. >>> >> [...] >> >> I do you the courtesy of defining my use of "mainstream" and "niche", >> and then you claim that my example of "niche" somehow means "mainstream". > i did not claim that. > >> If you don't like my uses of those terms, either state your own, or >> offer alternatives. > i'm using the definitions*you* gave. > > although 'professionals for work-related tasks' is irrelevant. On the contrary, it's of the essence of my definition, which is why I gave it as an example. It should be obvious that "mainstream" and "niche" are contrasting terms. A mainstream product may well be used by professionals for some work-related task. Mainstream = used by most people. Which could include professionals who etc. A niche product is one not used by most people, but used by (for example) professionals who etc. Sheesh, why do I have to explain such obvious parsings? -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Genetics is not genealogy." (Graham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120182222039582%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119409 |
In article <TCrFD.1025073$RN2.495681@fx40.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>>>> desktop/laptops are anything but niche. > >>>> Mainstream = used by most people. > >>>> > >>>> Niche = preferred by some group for some purposes, eg professionals for > >>>> work-related tasks. > >>> therefore, not niche. > >>> > >> > >> I do you the courtesy of defining my use of "mainstream" and "niche", > >> and then you claim that my example of "niche" somehow means "mainstream". > > i did not claim that. > > > >> If you don't like my uses of those terms, either state your own, or > >> offer alternatives. > > i'm using the definitions*you* gave. > > > > although 'professionals for work-related tasks' is irrelevant. > > On the contrary, it's of the essence of my definition, which is why I > gave it as an example. then your definition is flawed. > It should be obvious that "mainstream" and "niche" are contrasting > terms. A mainstream product may well be used by professionals for some > work-related task. Mainstream = used by most people. Which could include > professionals who etc. A niche product is one not used by most people, > but used by (for example) professionals who etc. yep, which means laptops and desktops are *not* niche, and that's using *your* definition. > Sheesh, why do I have to explain such obvious parsings? maybe because you're very confused and keep contradicting yourself.
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