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  Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2015-04-05 03:43 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-04 21:02 -0700
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-05 16:03 +1200
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-04-05 12:12 +0200
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-05 04:33 +0000
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-04-05 14:57 -0700
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-05 22:57 +0000
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-06 11:57 +1200
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 03:57 +0000
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-06 16:33 +1200
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 04:56 +0000
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-06 01:00 -0400
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-06 17:43 +1200
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 15:53 +0000
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-04-06 05:21 -0700
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 09:10 -0400
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 15:51 +0000
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-04-06 20:38 -0700
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-06 13:25 +0000
                  Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-07 02:25 +0000
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-06 15:47 +0000
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-06 10:01 -0400
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-05 14:56 +1100
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-05 01:31 -0400
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-04 22:45 -0700
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-05 04:13 -0400
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 13:47 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-04-05 15:59 +0000
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 16:15 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 12:59 -0400
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-05 17:22 +0000
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-05 14:08 -0700
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:49 -0700
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-06 21:55 +0000
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-06 23:51 -0400
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 23:54 -0400
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-08 09:53 +0000
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-07 18:08 +1200
              Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-07 03:38 -0400
                Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 09:35 -0400
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-07 13:25 +1200
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-07 18:08 +1200
            Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-07 09:06 -0700
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:52 -0700
    Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-04-08 21:00 -0400
      Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 12:48 +0000
        Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-04-10 22:23 -0400
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-11 14:49 +1200
          Re: Upgrading Snow Leopard to Yosemite: Gotchas? Risks? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 12:17 +0000

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#72726

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 05:21:40 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:


> I run it at work on our compute farm.  I've had this argument with the
> data center manager who thought upgrading the Sun grid compute cluster
> from SL 5.8 to 6.4 was a big deal.  We (the upstart startup they bought)
> want to go from Fedora 17 to Centos 7 (aka SL 7).  More packages for the
> developers (they're always asking for more current stuff and we have to
> build it if there's no package for it), longer support, more features
> (we're looking at Docker packages and VM).

Did you miss the last SL 5.11 release?  Running the 3.19.3 kernel with SL 
6.6, I can run almost anything that SL 7 can run.  I can even run Steam
(with some hacking tricks), and as I said, I prefer the pure GNOME 2 over 
GNOME 3 running classic.  Fedora 17-18 was funky.  I would have preferred 
that Red Hat would have used Fedora 20 as the base, but they had a 
deadline and had to go with 19, not bad, but 20 was better.
SL/CentOS/RH 7 was rushed out too quickly.  One bad thing I hated was 
that I could not change the desktop background as easily as in GNOME 2.  
As to VM, I use the latest Virtual Box, no problems, running OS/2 and 
Windows XP SP3.  I do not like 64 bit systems, my Thinkpad has 3gigs of 
ram, I could upgrade to 4(the max), but that would mean taking off the 
keyboard and other stuff that I do not want to get into.  I have been 
running Scientific Linux since my last distro, PCLinuxOS started being 
buggy with the AMD drivers and the terrible interaction with the bad 3.12 
kernels.

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#72724

On 2015-04-05 23:57, sctvguy1 wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:57:19 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>
>> In article <mfsel4$pmb$1@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:57:14 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You sound just like me!  I just got my new(to me) iMac 20" that came
>>>>> with 10.6.8.  Since Linux is my main OS on all my
>>>>> computers(Scientific Linux 6.6), I upgraded to OSX 10.10.2.  I had
>>>>> over 4 thousand plus iPhotos from my old G4 and over 600 iTunes.
>>>>> Everything transferred over well, and I am enjoying the iMac.
>>>>
>>>> I asked my boss what the difference is between a SL 6.6 system with a
>>>> 3.18 kernal and SL 7.  He said "they're the same--the libraries you
>>>> need to run that kernel were upgraded.  Aside from still being able
>>>> to install el6 RPMs and that there are a lot more of them than el7, I
>>>> don't know what it gets you.  You're essentially running SL 7 (and
>>>> beyond since it's kernel is 3.10).  Oh, yeah.  The base filesystem is
>>>> xfs, signed kernel modules for secure UEFI boot, no i386 support, and
>>>> systemd.
>>>
>>> I am not running SL7 because it is only 64bit, and according to
>>> SL/CentOS forums, is buggy.  I am also on ElRepo kernel repo, and am
>>> running the newest kernel, 3.18.3, I think!  Plus, SL 6.x is supported
>>> until 2020, and it is running pure GNOME 2, which I prefer.  I tried
>>> the new MATE desktop, but prefer GNOME 2.  I do not have systemd, and
>>> am running ext4 as my file system.  More reasons that I do not want to
>>> run SL7.  My Thinkpad T400s do NOT have UEFI and I will never have a
>>> computer that supports that crap!
>>
>> SL = Snow Leopard ... you should probably use a different abbreviation
>> for Scientific Linux, maybe SciLi.   :-)
>
> Sorry, I was replying to Michael Vilain who was commenting on SL
> (Scientific Linux 6.6 vs. 7).  I assume that he runs Linux, as he knows a
> lot about the distro, the kernel, etc.

No need to apologize.  In context it was clear.

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#72660

In article <XnsA472D30D189CEauricauricauricauric@213.239.209.88>,
 "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
> since what I already have *WORKS*.
> 
> But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at least 
> Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store offering the 
> free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going through with it.
> 
> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas 
> I need to be aware of, big or small?
> 
> (None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page 
> <https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason or 
> another.)

You could get yourself an external drive and install a clean Yosemite 
first to see it operating, and then install your program that needs 
better than Snow Leopard. And later take the bigger plunge. 

There are risks, some of your programs that work well on Snow might 
not work on Yosemite. 

So, either have a reliable backup of what you have on a separate 
external disk so you can keep scurrying back to it or use an external 
as described above. Either way, you are just experimenting and it will 
be ok.

-- 
dorayme

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#72662

Apple menu -> About This Mac -> More Info

This starts the System Profiler App.

In it, look at Software tab on left, and Applications.

This will list all applications on your Mac. Look at "Kind".

Universal and Intel will likely work on Yosemite. "PowerPC" and
"Classic" will not.


Of note, some apps, despite being compiled for Intel will fail. One of
the more notable ones is MT NewsWatcher because it used internet access
routines that were widthdrawn.


The upgrade itself works remarkably well from Snow Leopard to Yosemite
in terms of preserving settings. But some have to be redone. Warning:
some Wi-Fi protocols are disabled because deemed unsafe, although
un-encrypted ones remain available. WPA2 LEAP no longer works poff the
bat, you need to download an app to create a profile which you then
install in system preferences to unlocke that protocol)


You then need to spend time in System Preferences to disable a bunch of
UI aspects, force enable the scroll bars and others aspects  and go to
"accessibility" to enable geriatric mode to disable translucensy,
increase contrast etc to make screen readable.

However, generally, the upgrade works well. Remember that scrolling is
reversed.

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#72663

On 2015-04-05 05:31:40 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> Apple menu -> About This Mac -> More Info
> 
> This starts the System Profiler App.
> 
> In it, look at Software tab on left, and Applications.
> 
> This will list all applications on your Mac. Look at "Kind".
> 
> Universal and Intel will likely work on Yosemite. "PowerPC" and
> "Classic" will not.
> 
> 
> Of note, some apps, despite being compiled for Intel will fail. One of
> the more notable ones is MT NewsWatcher because it used internet access
> routines that were widthdrawn.
> 
> 
> The upgrade itself works remarkably well from Snow Leopard to Yosemite
> in terms of preserving settings. But some have to be redone. Warning:
> some Wi-Fi protocols are disabled because deemed unsafe, although
> un-encrypted ones remain available. WPA2 LEAP no longer works poff the
> bat, you need to download an app to create a profile which you then
> install in system preferences to unlocke that protocol)
> 
> 
> You then need to spend time in System Preferences to disable a bunch of
> UI aspects, force enable the scroll bars and others aspects  and go to
> "accessibility" to enable geriatric mode to disable translucensy,
> increase contrast etc to make screen readable.
> 
> However, generally, the upgrade works well. Remember that scrolling is
> reversed.

...but that is easily fixed to your liking in System Preferences.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#72664

On 15-04-05 01:45, Savageduck wrote:

>> However, generally, the upgrade works well. Remember that scrolling is
>> reversed.
> 
> ...but that is easily fixed to your liking in System Preferences.


My laptop is at Yosemite, Desktop at Snow Leopard. I am able to switch
from one scrolling direction to the other without problem. I was
surprised at how easy it is to switch back and forth.

The only "unnatural" aspect of reverse scrolling is in google maps where
to zoom in, you have to zoom out.

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#72667

On 2015-04-05, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> You then need to spend time in System Preferences to disable a bunch of
> UI aspects

Not if you aren't an uptight dingbat who refuses to accept progress.

> force enable the scroll bars

I've one that for mouse-only systems. For track pads it makes little
sense to do it.

> "accessibility" to enable geriatric mode to disable translucensy,

Meh. I can go either way with that. It's just not as big a deal as you
make it out to be.

> increase contrast etc to make screen readable.

I've flipped that on and off.

> However, generally, the upgrade works well. Remember that scrolling is
> reversed.

Reversed seems more natural to a lot of us.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#72670

Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
> since what I already have *WORKS*.

I just wanted to add - you aren't using software preinstalled and used 
by a previous owner as-is, are you? If so, now is a good time to erase 
all of it and reinstall it from scratch. And if you're doing that, it 
makes sense to leave the old OS behind and install the latest one.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#72671

On 2015-04-05, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
>> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
>> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
>> since what I already have *WORKS*.
>
> I just wanted to add - you aren't using software preinstalled and used 
> by a previous owner as-is, are you? If so, now is a good time to erase 
> all of it and reinstall it from scratch. And if you're doing that, it 
> makes sense to leave the old OS behind and install the latest one.

Yep. I told him to do that first thing, but it seems like he didn't want
to do it for whatever reason.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#72673

In article <XnsA472D30D189CEauricauricauricauric@213.239.209.88>,
 "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
> since what I already have *WORKS*.
> 
> But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at least 
> Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store offering the 
> free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going through with it.
> 
> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas 
> I need to be aware of, big or small?
> 
> (None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page 
> <https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason or 
> another.)

What iMac is it? How far can you upgrade it? 

If you're iMac can run Yosemite, then you should do the upgrade. Srsly. 
Make a bootable clone of the boot drive, and then do the upgrade. Since 
you're not invested in anything Rosetta-like (you come from Linux you 
say, and Winders), you shouldn't have ought to worry about.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#72675

On 2015-04-05, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
> My (used) iMac came with Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Coming from the Linux & 
> Windows world, I've been very hesitant to upgrade the system... especially 
> since what I already have *WORKS*.
>
> But now, there is a program that I want, which says that it needs at least 
> Lion (and recommends Mountain Lion or newer). So, with the store offering the 
> free upgrade to Yosemite, I'm strongly considering going through with it.
>
> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas 
> I need to be aware of, big or small?

One thing I haven't seen mentioned (maybe I missed it) is you need to be
sure you have at *least* 4 GB of RAM installed in the machine to run
Yosemite well - and 8 GB of RAM would be much better, especially if you
plan to run many apps at once. 

> (None of the app-specific things I found on the "how to upgrade" page 
><https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/> apply to me, for one reason or 
> another.)

Roaring Apps has a compatibility database you can use to see which apps
of yours are compatible (or not) with Yosemite:

<http://roaringapps.com>

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#72690

Auric__ wrote:

[…]

> But... I'm a bit leery of doing it unprepared. Are there any risks or gotchas 
> I need to be aware of, big or small?

You know old PowerPC apps won't work any more, right?

Paul Magnussen

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#72733

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:08:08 -0700
Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> wrote:

> You know old PowerPC apps won't work any more, right?

Not even via emulation?














 

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#72735

In article <mfuri0$8lc$1@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:08:08 -0700
>Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> You know old PowerPC apps won't work any more, right?
>
>Not even via emulation?

No, because Apple stopped updating and supplying PowerPC versions of
all the frameworks and libraries in the system.

Without that you can do nothing (nothing of interest, that is). The
actual Rosetta code that translates PowerPC code into Intel is only a
part of the puzzle.

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-- 
"If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling 
that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't 
ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid
tripping your hair-trigger insecurities."                  - D M Procida, UCSM

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#72766

On 15-04-06 17:55, Tim Streater wrote:

> No, because Apple stopped updating and supplying PowerPC versions of
> all the frameworks and libraries in the system.

Apple also stopped supplying the Rosetta code translator.
Coincidentally, at the same time, IBM bought that company so it is now
IBM technology. (Rosetta was a very advanced code translator that even
handled big endian code).

Note that the Snow Leopard to Yosemite installation will zap some
applications without warning, (such as X11, and Xserver manmagement
tools), put some PowerPC only apps in a folder, and leave others alone.
So it is an imperfect process.


There is a PowerpC emiulator called SheepShaver, but designed to run
MacOS, not sure it can run OS-X.

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#72767

In article <5523542d$0$1490$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > No, because Apple stopped updating and supplying PowerPC versions of
> > all the frameworks and libraries in the system.
> 
> Apple also stopped supplying the Rosetta code translator.
> Coincidentally, at the same time, IBM bought that company so it is now
> IBM technology. (Rosetta was a very advanced code translator that even
> handled big endian code).

what actually happened is that ibm bought rosetta and then ceased
licensing it, so apple *had* to stop supplying it.

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#72835

In message <060420152354594426%nospam@nospam.invalid> 
  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5523542d$0$1490$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> > No, because Apple stopped updating and supplying PowerPC versions of
>> > all the frameworks and libraries in the system.
>> 
>> Apple also stopped supplying the Rosetta code translator.
>> Coincidentally, at the same time, IBM bought that company so it is now
>> IBM technology. (Rosetta was a very advanced code translator that even
>> handled big endian code).

> what actually happened is that ibm bought rosetta and then ceased
> licensing it, so apple *had* to stop supplying it.

That doesn't imply that Apple did something wrong, so JF is incapable of
processing it.

-- 
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#72777

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-04-06 17:55, Tim Streater wrote:
> 
> > No, because Apple stopped updating and supplying PowerPC versions of
> > all the frameworks and libraries in the system.
> 
> Apple also stopped supplying the Rosetta code translator.
> Coincidentally, at the same time, IBM bought that company so it is now
> IBM technology. (Rosetta was a very advanced code translator that even
> handled big endian code).

You have the timing wrong.

In late 2008 (while Leopard was current), IBM announced they would be
buying Transitive.

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/26106.wss

The acquisition was complete by February 2009, still months before Snow
Leopard was released.

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=726648

I can't spot a reference now, but at the time, I saw articles saying
that IBM were no longer going to licence QuickTransit (which Apple calls
Rosetta) to other companies. That would have ruled out Apple renewing
its Rosetta licence.

I have found at least one comment to that effect:

https://community.oracle.com/thread/534860

(search for QuickTransit to find the message.)

We can only speculate since the details are not public, but it seems
reasonable to me that Apple's original licence to use Rosetta would have
covered all OS X versions released within a certain timeframe (and
subsequent updates of the same major version), after which Apple would
have needed to renew the licence. IBM were no longer licensing the
product.

The timing suggests Apple had a five year licence to use Rosetta: from
around early 2005 (Apple internal development prior to the Intel
announcement) to early 2010 (after Snow Leopard was released but before
Lion).

> Note that the Snow Leopard to Yosemite installation will zap some
> applications without warning, (such as X11, and Xserver manmagement
> tools), put some PowerPC only apps in a folder, and leave others alone.
> So it is an imperfect process.
> 
> 
> There is a PowerpC emiulator called SheepShaver, but designed to run
> MacOS, not sure it can run OS-X.

It can't. The maximum system it can run is Mac OS 9.0.4, and apparently
it doesn't do that as well as 7.5.x or 7.6.x. I haven't bothered trying
it as I have real Macs which can run Mac OS 9.x, on rare occasions where
I need it.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#72779

On 15-04-07 02:08, David Empson wrote:

> I can't spot a reference now, but at the time, I saw articles saying
> that IBM were no longer going to licence QuickTransit (which Apple calls
> Rosetta) to other companies. That would have ruled out Apple renewing
> its Rosetta licence.

Obviously, Apple's rights included the right to include Rosetta in Snow
Leopard, and those were likely negottiated prior to IBM's decision to
stop licensing it. Remember that such licenses are negotiated well
before a version of software is shipped.

At the time SNow Leopard was shipped, did Apple give any hints it would
be the last version with Rosetta ? Apple would have known internally
about no longer having access to Rosetta. But may or may not have wanted
to make an announcement about it.


However, what is also possible is that IBM didn't stop licensing it, but
placed terms and conditions (and price) which were not acceptable, so
Apple didn't renew.  Effectively the same as no longer licensing, but if
some competition bureau investigates, they claim the product is still
being offered to competetors but it is the competitors which refise to
buy it.

(This is common in TV, as witnessed with the various TV disputes in USA
where a cable company loses a channel because that channel wants too
much money for it). We have the same in Canada except CRTC has rules to
shield the consumer from loss of a channel and provides arbritration).

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#72786

In article <55238972$0$25148$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> We have the same in Canada except CRTC has rules to
> shield the consumer from loss of a channel and provides arbritration).

We also have solid VPN services and some pretty good torrent clients 
(aria2, rtorrent) to protect us against the rapacious caulk suckers who 
run the Canadian television industry.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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