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Big problem with OS X

Started byWilliam Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com>
First post2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
Last post2014-01-06 12:12 -0800
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  Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-01 18:41 -0500
      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:48 +0000
        Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-01 21:31 -0500
          Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 19:16 -0800
            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 18:08 +1300
              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:18 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:30 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-02 09:55 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:50 +0000
                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 16:52 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 17:23 +0000
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:54 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-03 13:43 -0600
                              Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:36 +0000
                                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-04 19:07 -0500
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X william-wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 00:29 +0000
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 13:29 +1300
                                    Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-04 17:54 -0800
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 16:32 +1300
                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-05 16:09 +1100
                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 19:20 +1300
                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 01:33 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 10:21 +0000
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:08 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:16 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:36 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:43 +0100
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:44 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 13:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:45 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:42 -0600
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:54 -0800
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 14:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 15:20 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:28 +0000
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:19 +0000
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 08:45 -0700
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-05 16:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:44 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:28 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:13 -0500
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:25 -0600
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:39 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:40 -0800
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:33 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:17 -0600
                                                Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 14:45 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:32 -0600
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:10 -0800
                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-05 19:48 -0500
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:09 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:06 -0500
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:49 -0800
                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-05 21:57 -0800
                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-16 13:02 -0500
                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-16 14:22 -0800
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:38 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 08:26 -0700
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 08:19 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 09:22 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 10:26 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:24 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-17 21:29 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-18 06:43 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 08:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:56 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:12 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:23 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:09 -0600
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 02:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 06:37 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:42 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 16:23 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-24 23:37 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 22:52 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:42 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:27 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 09:01 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 15:50 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 13:08 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:10 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:28 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 08:56 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:08 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 10:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:16 +1300
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 20:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:29 +1300
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:35 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:33 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:37 +0000
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-19 15:46 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:37 -0500
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X "William Wright" <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 -0800
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:49 +1300
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-25 01:37 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-26 09:41 +1300
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-28 11:43 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-29 09:37 +1300
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-28 16:37 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 12:52 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-29 15:57 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:28 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 08:51 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 09:06 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 11:39 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:53 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 09:26 +1300
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:43 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:20 +1300
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 11:25 +1300
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 17:54 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:18 +1300
                                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 18:21 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:47 +1300
                                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:20 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-03 09:00 +1300
                                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 15:06 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-02 14:58 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-28 20:40 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:27 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:45 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 21:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 17:22 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:21 +1300
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 23:04 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 23:14 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 02:20 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-31 01:17 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X The 29th Earl of Grimsby <earl-of-grimsby@jwright20.plus.com> - 2014-01-31 23:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:11 -0500
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 10:11 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:17 -0500
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 09:43 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:31 -0500
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 16:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 09:27 -0800
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 19:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 11:44 -0800
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 13:21 -0700
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 13:25 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-17 16:46 -0600
                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 22:47 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:04 -0500
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 23:28 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:16 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-18 16:44 +0000
                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:29 -0500
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:00 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 18:18 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:01 -0700
                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:24 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:32 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 02:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 18:45 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 20:05 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 03:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:27 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 20:29 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:18 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:01 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:16 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:14 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:35 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 11:29 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:29 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 09:05 +1300
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 12:52 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:36 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:36 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 09:58 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-20 18:15 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 17:38 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1300
                                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:09 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 16:36 +1300
                                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 23:35 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:51 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:39 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:51 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:30 -0500
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 09:57 -0600
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 08:51 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0700
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 19:45 -0800
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 03:00 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 09:22 -0800
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:15 -0600
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:38 -0700
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:20 -0600
                                                                      Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:14 -0800
                                                                        Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:56 -0800
                                                                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 17:43 -0600
                                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 15:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:00 -0600
                                                          Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:34 -0600
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:32 -0800
                                            Re: Big problem with OS X Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-06 12:26 -0800
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 16:22 -0500
                                              Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 13:09 +1300
                                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-04 22:10 -0600
                        Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:43 -0800
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:43 -0600
                          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 19:09 +0000
                            Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:48 -0800
                            Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 20:48 +0100
                              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 12:11 -0800
                                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 21:14 +0100
                                  Re: Big problem with OS X Imaginary <spamproof@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:46 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:41 -0600
          Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:24 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 13:26 +0000
            Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-02 12:27 -0500
              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-03 12:09 -0500
                  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 10:42 -0800
                    Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-04 14:17 -0500
                      Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:39 +0000
                        Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-04 19:58 -0800
                        Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:15 -0500
                          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 10:22 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:14 +1300
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-01 17:15 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:36 -0700
      Re: Big problem with OS X Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-02 06:25 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:09 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:08 +0000
      Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:12 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-01-05 01:00 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:40 -0800
      Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-05 18:17 -0500
        Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 07:55 +0000
          Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 04:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:15 -0800
              Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 13:59 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 11:45 -0800
                  Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:33 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:20 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-06 20:18 +0100
      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 12:12 -0800

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#54784

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-16 14:22 -0800
Message-ID<20140116142244356-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54781
On 2014-01-16 18:02:23 +0000, "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> said:

> In article <2014010521574226683-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Then what do you think about retired cops who use Macs?
> 
> There's this retired cop in Florida who I wish had used a Mac at the
> movie theater ...

That particular individual seems to have issues which are not solvable 
with Mac, smart phone, handgun, or therapist.

I certainly use my Mac, iPhone, & iPad more than I find a reason to 
carry my Kimber 45 ACP anywhere. These days I only take it out of the 
house when I go to the range to maintain my qualification.
< https://db.tt/hScSCe9b >

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54789

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-17 08:38 -0600
Message-ID<CEFE9C8B.A6705%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#54784


On 1/16/14 4:22 PM, in article
20140116142244356-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2014-01-16 18:02:23 +0000, "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> said:
> 
>> In article <2014010521574226683-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Then what do you think about retired cops who use Macs?
>> 
>> There's this retired cop in Florida who I wish had used a Mac at the
>> movie theater ...
> 
> That particular individual seems to have issues which are not solvable
> with Mac, smart phone, handgun, or therapist.
> 
> I certainly use my Mac, iPhone, & iPad more than I find a reason to
> carry my Kimber 45 ACP anywhere. These days I only take it out of the
> house when I go to the range to maintain my qualification.
> < https://db.tt/hScSCe9b

That individual just gave the gun control fanatics more fodder for their
fire and it is a damn shame - on all counts...

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#54792

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-17 08:26 -0700
Message-ID<170120140826502063%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54789
In article <CEFE9C8B.A6705%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> That individual just gave the gun control fanatics more fodder for their
> fire and it is a damn shame - on all counts...

The NRA and its adherents believe that anyone who wants to put any
restrictions, no matter how minor, on firearm possession and/or use are
gun control fanatics.

The Brady Campaign and its adherents believe that anyone who owns a gun
or shoots one is a gun nut.

Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
will probably be this one:

<http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>

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#54795

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-17 08:19 -0800
Message-ID<2014011708190514484-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54792
On 2014-01-17 15:26:50 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <CEFE9C8B.A6705%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That individual just gave the gun control fanatics more fodder for their
>> fire and it is a damn shame - on all counts...
> 
> The NRA and its adherents believe that anyone who wants to put any
> restrictions, no matter how minor, on firearm possession and/or use are
> gun control fanatics.
> 
> The Brady Campaign and its adherents believe that anyone who owns a gun
> or shoots one is a gun nut.
> 
> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
> those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
> will probably be this one:
> 
> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>

A good choice. You can't go too far wrong with a S&W wheel gun.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54796

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-17 09:22 -0700
Message-ID<170120140922201873%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54795
In article <2014011708190514484-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
> > those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
> > rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
> > will probably be this one:
> > 
> > <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
> > 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
> 
> A good choice. You can't go too far wrong with a S&W wheel gun.

For financial reasons, I might opt for the seven- or even six-round
version instead of this eight-round one.

I'd shoot .38 at the range to keep in practice, but use .357 magnum for
home protection.

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#54801

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-17 10:26 -0800
Message-ID<201401171026275129-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54796
On 2014-01-17 16:22:20 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <2014011708190514484-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
>>> those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
>>> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
>>> will probably be this one:
>>> 
>>> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
>>> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
>> 
>> A good choice. You can't go too far wrong with a S&W wheel gun.
> 
> For financial reasons, I might opt for the seven- or even six-round
> version instead of this eight-round one.

Six rounds are more than enough, though you wouldn't be saving that 
much if you went to something like the M686.
< 
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764964_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y 
>

> I'd shoot .38 at the range to keep in practice, but use .357 magnum for
> home protection.

Shooting 38 for practice and using +P or magnum rounds for carry makes 
sense. However, when I think of home protection, I know that I might 
have to fire the weapon indoors and I concern myself with over 
penetration along with the possibility of injuring or killing a 
bystander or neighbor. So I suggest considering frangible rounds such 
as a Glaser Safety or MagSafe. It is also worth considering using the 
frangible round as a carry round as their stopping power is very good 
and the potential liability which results from a missed shot, ricochet, 
or over penetration is minimized.

< http://www.corbon.com/safety-slug/general/glaser-safety-slug >
< http://magsafeonline.com/magnum_performance.html >

Also those damn magnums are LOUD!

My standard home protection set up for my 45 ACP is 6 rounds of Glaser 
on top of 2 Federal 185 grain Hydra-Shok (+P) along with a spare 
magazine with 8 more of the Hydra-Shok rounds.

Your best home defense weapon is still going to be a 12 or 20 gauge 
shotgun, my recommendation in no particular order, Mossberg 500 or 590, 
Remington 870, or Winchester SXP (or a used 1200 if you can find one). 
Nothing gets somebody out of your house without firing a shot, quicker 
than the sound of a pump gun being racked.




-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54807

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-17 12:24 -0700
Message-ID<170120141224005872%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54801
In article <201401171026275129-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > I'd shoot .38 at the range to keep in practice, but use .357 magnum for
> > home protection.
> 
> Shooting 38 for practice and using +P or magnum rounds for carry makes 
> sense. However, when I think of home protection, I know that I might 
> have to fire the weapon indoors and I concern myself with over 
> penetration along with the possibility of injuring or killing a 
> bystander or neighbor. So I suggest considering frangible rounds such 
> as a Glaser Safety or MagSafe.

That's what I was planning to get once I bought the weapon.

> Nothing gets somebody out of your house without firing a shot, quicker 
> than the sound of a pump gun being racked.

That's what recordings are for.  <g>

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#54816

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-01-17 21:29 +0000
Message-ID<bjtll3Fh1c7U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#54807
On 2014-01-17, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <201401171026275129-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
><savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> Nothing gets somebody out of your house without firing a shot, quicker 
>> than the sound of a pump gun being racked.
>
> That's what recordings are for.  <g>

<http://www.freesound.org/search/?q=shotgun+pump>

: )

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#54864

Fromwilliamwright.orsk@gmail.com
Date2014-01-18 06:43 -0800
Message-ID<daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#54801
On Friday, 17 January 2014 18:26:27 UTC, Savageduck  wrote:
> On 2014-01-17 16:22:20 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
> 
> 
> 
> > In article <2014011708190514484-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> 
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> >>> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
> 
> >>> those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
> 
> >>> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
> 
> >>> will probably be this one:
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
> 
> >>> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> A good choice. You can't go too far wrong with a S&W wheel gun.
> 
> > 
> 
> > For financial reasons, I might opt for the seven- or even six-round
> 
> > version instead of this eight-round one.
> 
> 
> 
> Six rounds are more than enough, though you wouldn't be saving that 
> 
> much if you went to something like the M686.
> 
> < 
> 
> http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764964_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y 
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> > I'd shoot .38 at the range to keep in practice, but use .357 magnum for
> 
> > home protection.
> 
> 
> 
> Shooting 38 for practice and using +P or magnum rounds for carry makes 
> 
> sense. However, when I think of home protection, I know that I might 
> 
> have to fire the weapon indoors and I concern myself with over 
> 
> penetration along with the possibility of injuring or killing a 
> 
> bystander or neighbor. So I suggest considering frangible rounds such 
> 
> as a Glaser Safety or MagSafe. It is also worth considering using the 
> 
> frangible round as a carry round as their stopping power is very good 
> 
> and the potential liability which results from a missed shot, ricochet, 
> 
> or over penetration is minimized.
> 
> 
> 
> < http://www.corbon.com/safety-slug/general/glaser-safety-slug >
> 
> < http://magsafeonline.com/magnum_performance.html >
> 
> 
> 
> Also those damn magnums are LOUD!
> 
> 
> 
> My standard home protection set up for my 45 ACP is 6 rounds of Glaser 
> 
> on top of 2 Federal 185 grain Hydra-Shok (+P) along with a spare 
> 
> magazine with 8 more of the Hydra-Shok rounds.
> 
> 
> 
> Your best home defense weapon is still going to be a 12 or 20 gauge 
> 
> shotgun, my recommendation in no particular order, Mossberg 500 or 590, 
> 
> Remington 870, or Winchester SXP (or a used 1200 if you can find one). 
> 
> Nothing gets somebody out of your house without firing a shot, quicker 
> 
> than the sound of a pump gun being racked.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Savageduck

And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....

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#54865

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-18 08:09 -0700
Message-ID<180120140809223428%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54864
In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
<williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:

> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....

We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
come storming our doors.

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#54868

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-18 07:44 -0800
Message-ID<2014011807444090700-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54865
On 2014-01-18 15:09:22 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
> 
> We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
> come storming our doors.

Yup!
< https://db.tt/FszZBooz >

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54871

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-01-18 10:56 -0500
Message-ID<0t2dnXXC2JG0OUfPnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#54868
On 2014.01.18, 10:44 , Savageduck wrote:
> On 2014-01-18 15:09:22 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
> said:
>
>> In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
>> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
>>
>> We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
>> come storming our doors.
>
> Yup!
> < https://db.tt/FszZBooz >

Yeah - I can do that at 10 feet too...


-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#54877

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2014-01-18 08:43 -0800
Message-ID<2014011808432510233-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#54871
On 2014-01-18 15:56:24 +0000, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> On 2014.01.18, 10:44 , Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2014-01-18 15:09:22 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
>> said:
>> 
>>> In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
>>> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
>>> 
>>> We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
>>> come storming our doors.
>> 
>> Yup!
>> < https://db.tt/FszZBooz >
> 
> Yeah - I can do that at 10 feet too...

Sure you can Alan.
That particular target was 54 rounds of .45 ACP, 18 shot at 10 Yds, 18 
at 15 yds, and 18 at 25 yds.

Here is one of my annual qualifying targets, also shot with the .45 
ACP. In this case 36 shots. 12 (instinct shooting in 20 seconds) at 3 
yards, 12 (aimed fire in 30 seconds) at 15 yards, and 12 (aimed fire in 
30 seconds) at 25 yards.
< https://db.tt/zLZHSeOX >

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#54882

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-01-18 12:12 -0500
Message-ID<dJSdndzbmPtpKEfPnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#54877
On 2014.01.18, 11:43 , Savageduck wrote:
> On 2014-01-18 15:56:24 +0000, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>
>> On 2014.01.18, 10:44 , Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2014-01-18 15:09:22 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
>>>>
>>>> We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
>>>> come storming our doors.
>>>
>>> Yup!
>>> < https://db.tt/FszZBooz >
>>
>> Yeah - I can do that at 10 feet too...
>
> Sure you can Alan.


Just a joke.  I'm a lousy pistol shot - so yes, at 10 ft. I could do 
that.  At any other range I'd be better beaning the asshole with the 
empty gun.


-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#54918

Fromerilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid>
Date2014-01-18 16:24 -0600
Message-ID<drache-7A9992.16241418012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#54882
In article <dJSdndzbmPtpKEfPnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>  I'm a lousy pistol shot - so yes, at 10 ft. I could do 
> that.  At any other range I'd be better beaning the asshole with the 
> empty gun.

Get a long stick instead 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#54875

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-18 10:10 -0600
Message-ID<CF00038A.A678F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#54865


On 1/18/14 9:09 AM, in article 180120140809223428%michelle@michelle.org,
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
> 
> We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
> come storming our doors.

And the Google Group users, I might add...

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#54903

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-01-18 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<180120141422487819%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#54875
In article <CF00038A.A678F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/18/14 9:09 AM, in article 180120140809223428%michelle@michelle.org,
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
> > <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
> > 
> > We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
> > come storming our doors.
> 
> And the Google Group users, I might add...

Well, that's more than just a Mac problem.

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#55297

FromJohn <Man@the.keyboard>
Date2014-01-24 22:56 +0000
Message-ID<mqr5e9h2hk2rtsh5b5un9cvjc2fuhq5297@4ax.com>
In reply to#54903
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 14:22:48 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <CF00038A.A678F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
><ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/14 9:09 AM, in article 180120140809223428%michelle@michelle.org,
>> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
>> > <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
>> > 
>> > We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
>> > come storming our doors.
>> 
>> And the Google Group users, I might add...
>
>Well, that's more than just a Mac problem.

 Considering their numbers, maybe more a Mac-10 issue? 
                                                       J. 

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#54917

Fromerilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid>
Date2014-01-18 16:23 -0600
Message-ID<drache-843F4C.16232518012014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#54865
In article <180120140809223428%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com>,
> <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....
> 
> We have to know how to defend us when the Linux and Windows Zombies
> come storming our doors.

MMmmmm......particularly the latter, as there are so many. . .

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#54874

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2014-01-18 10:09 -0600
Message-ID<CF000357.A678E%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#54864


On 1/18/14 8:43 AM, in article
daff798f-0d56-43ee-8d5e-c5dd2ea23ca5@googlegroups.com,
"williamwright.orsk@gmail.com" <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 17 January 2014 18:26:27 UTC, Savageduck  wrote:
>> On 2014-01-17 16:22:20 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> In article <2014011708190514484-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>> 
>>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum between
>> 
>>>>> those extremes.  The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
>> 
>>>>> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
>> 
>>>>> will probably be this one:
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_7
>> 
>>>>> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> A good choice. You can't go too far wrong with a S&W wheel gun.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> For financial reasons, I might opt for the seven- or even six-round
>> 
>>> version instead of this eight-round one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Six rounds are more than enough, though you wouldn't be saving that
>> 
>> much if you went to something like the M686.
>> 
>> < 
>> 
>> http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_
>> 764964_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I'd shoot .38 at the range to keep in practice, but use .357 magnum for
>> 
>>> home protection.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Shooting 38 for practice and using +P or magnum rounds for carry makes
>> 
>> sense. However, when I think of home protection, I know that I might
>> 
>> have to fire the weapon indoors and I concern myself with over
>> 
>> penetration along with the possibility of injuring or killing a
>> 
>> bystander or neighbor. So I suggest considering frangible rounds such
>> 
>> as a Glaser Safety or MagSafe. It is also worth considering using the
>> 
>> frangible round as a carry round as their stopping power is very good
>> 
>> and the potential liability which results from a missed shot, ricochet,
>> 
>> or over penetration is minimized.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> < http://www.corbon.com/safety-slug/general/glaser-safety-slug >
>> 
>> < http://magsafeonline.com/magnum_performance.html >
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also those damn magnums are LOUD!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My standard home protection set up for my 45 ACP is 6 rounds of Glaser
>> 
>> on top of 2 Federal 185 grain Hydra-Shok (+P) along with a spare
>> 
>> magazine with 8 more of the Hydra-Shok rounds.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your best home defense weapon is still going to be a 12 or 20 gauge
>> 
>> shotgun, my recommendation in no particular order, Mossberg 500 or 590,
>> 
>> Remington 870, or Winchester SXP (or a used 1200 if you can find one).
>> 
>> Nothing gets somebody out of your house without firing a shot, quicker
>> 
>> than the sound of a pump gun being racked.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Savageduck
> 
> And I thought this was a Mac Newsgroup....

And I thought you might get a REAL newsreader...

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