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| Started by | Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> |
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| First post | 2013-12-28 09:21 -0800 |
| Last post | 2013-12-29 14:45 -0800 |
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External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-28 09:21 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation William Hanna <whanna@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-28 09:44 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-12-29 09:37 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-29 10:08 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation android <here@there.was> - 2013-12-29 19:15 +0100
Re: External HD Recommendation billy@MIX.COM - 2013-12-28 20:21 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-28 14:59 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-28 15:28 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-28 20:17 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-28 17:34 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-28 21:06 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-29 04:18 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:38 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-29 21:36 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-30 01:58 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 10:20 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-12-31 07:32 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-31 11:46 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-12-30 09:37 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 18:07 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-30 13:13 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-12-30 10:27 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 14:15 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 22:43 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-30 18:09 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 22:34 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-30 13:54 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-30 13:14 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-12-30 14:49 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 18:01 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-29 03:59 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-29 07:47 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 17:52 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2013-12-29 10:06 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation yellow label <here@there.was> - 2013-12-29 17:01 +0100
Re: External HD Recommendation John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2013-12-29 16:27 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-29 21:29 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2013-12-30 12:36 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-30 08:55 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2013-12-30 10:29 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-12-30 19:56 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-31 19:18 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-31 15:30 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-12-31 07:34 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:51 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-01-01 10:14 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-01 17:39 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-02 11:54 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-02 01:09 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:38 -0700
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-02 16:47 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-09 08:13 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-08 21:19 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-02 02:35 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:47 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-01 02:24 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-02 02:38 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-01 11:55 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-01 13:34 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-01-01 19:01 -0800
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 09:45 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-02 02:28 +1100
Re: External HD Recommendation Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 15:36 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-01 11:55 -0500
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-29 16:00 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-29 22:01 +0000
Re: External HD Recommendation TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-12-29 16:19 -0600
Re: External HD Recommendation Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2013-12-29 14:45 -0800
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 13:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <301220131313559868%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #54073 |
In article <slrnlc3diq.ed0.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > Hard drives are more reliable now than ever before. > > Simply not true. I still have a 100MB drive that works just fine in a > Mac SE, and many drives in the under 100GB range all of which still > work. The last time I booted my Apple //gs, the 20MB drive spun right up > and loaded Prosel without a problem. In fact, I've never had a drive > under 10GB fail. I've had many drives over 1TB fail, despite owning > many more of the smaller drives. a sample size of one is invalid.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 10:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <l9sdup$eh2$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #54073 |
On 2013-12-30 18:07:22 +0000, Lewis said: > In message <l9sb0f$98l$1@reader1.panix.com> > Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: >> On 2013-12-30 05:36:52 +0000, Otto Pylot said: > >>> In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis >>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> They are all getting progressively worse though. >>> >>> This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external >>> drive for backup. > >> Don't buy it. Hard drives are more reliable now than ever before. > > Simply not true. I still have a 100MB drive that works just fine in a > Mac SE, and many drives in the under 100GB range all of which still > work. The last time I booted my Apple //gs, the 20MB drive spun right up > and loaded Prosel without a problem. In fact, I've never had a drive > under 10GB fail. I've had many drives over 1TB fail, despite owning > many more of the smaller drives. Anecdote. Not statistically significant.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 14:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9sgou$ajl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54076 |
On 12/30/13, 1:27 PM, Bread wrote: > On 2013-12-30 18:07:22 +0000, Lewis said: > >> In message <l9sb0f$98l$1@reader1.panix.com> >> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: >>> On 2013-12-30 05:36:52 +0000, Otto Pylot said: >> >>>> In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis >>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> They are all getting progressively worse though. >>>> >>>> This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external >>>> drive for backup. >> >>> Don't buy it. Hard drives are more reliable now than ever before. >> >> Simply not true. I still have a 100MB drive that works just fine in a >> Mac SE, and many drives in the under 100GB range all of which still >> work. The last time I booted my Apple //gs, the 20MB drive spun right up >> and loaded Prosel without a problem. In fact, I've never had a drive >> under 10GB fail. I've had many drives over 1TB fail, despite owning >> many more of the smaller drives. > > Anecdote. Not statistically significant. > According to the 2007 Google report, 70% of high-use disks and 86% of low-use disks still worked after 5 years. They didn't mention size but did say the vintage and the manufacturer were known to matter. Storage Reviews has some statistics on particular models.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlc3tpd.ed0.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #54079 |
In message <l9sgou$ajl$1@dont-email.me> J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 12/30/13, 1:27 PM, Bread wrote: >> On 2013-12-30 18:07:22 +0000, Lewis said: >> >>> In message <l9sb0f$98l$1@reader1.panix.com> >>> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: >>>> On 2013-12-30 05:36:52 +0000, Otto Pylot said: >>> >>>>> In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis >>>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They are all getting progressively worse though. >>>>> >>>>> This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external >>>>> drive for backup. >>> >>>> Don't buy it. Hard drives are more reliable now than ever before. >>> >>> Simply not true. I still have a 100MB drive that works just fine in a >>> Mac SE, and many drives in the under 100GB range all of which still >>> work. The last time I booted my Apple //gs, the 20MB drive spun right up >>> and loaded Prosel without a problem. In fact, I've never had a drive >>> under 10GB fail. I've had many drives over 1TB fail, despite owning >>> many more of the smaller drives. >> >> Anecdote. Not statistically significant. >> > According to the 2007 Google report, 70% of high-use disks and 86% of > low-use disks still worked after 5 years. They didn't mention size but > did say the vintage and the manufacturer were known to matter. And a 30% failure rate at 5 years is rather high. -- "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." - Burt Bacharach
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 18:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <301220131809303948%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #54091 |
In article <slrnlc3tpd.ed0.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > > According to the 2007 Google report, 70% of high-use disks and 86% of > > low-use disks still worked after 5 years. They didn't mention size but > > did say the vintage and the manufacturer were known to matter. > > And a 30% failure rate at 5 years is rather high. 5 years is beyond the useful life of a drive. you'll outgrow its capacity by then.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 22:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9te0s$g4r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54091 |
On 12/30/13, 5:43 PM, Lewis wrote: > In message <l9sgou$ajl$1@dont-email.me> > J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: >> On 12/30/13, 1:27 PM, Bread wrote: >>> On 2013-12-30 18:07:22 +0000, Lewis said: >>> >>>> In message <l9sb0f$98l$1@reader1.panix.com> >>>> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: >>>>> On 2013-12-30 05:36:52 +0000, Otto Pylot said: >>>> >>>>>> In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis >>>>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are all getting progressively worse though. >>>>>> >>>>>> This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external >>>>>> drive for backup. >>>> >>>>> Don't buy it. Hard drives are more reliable now than ever before. >>>> >>>> Simply not true. I still have a 100MB drive that works just fine in a >>>> Mac SE, and many drives in the under 100GB range all of which still >>>> work. The last time I booted my Apple //gs, the 20MB drive spun right up >>>> and loaded Prosel without a problem. In fact, I've never had a drive >>>> under 10GB fail. I've had many drives over 1TB fail, despite owning >>>> many more of the smaller drives. >>> >>> Anecdote. Not statistically significant. >>> >> According to the 2007 Google report, 70% of high-use disks and 86% of >> low-use disks still worked after 5 years. They didn't mention size but >> did say the vintage and the manufacturer were known to matter. > > And a 30% failure rate at 5 years is rather high. > I checked a couple of WD drives in the Storage Review Survey. The AC13200, 3.2GB came out in 1998. Of 29 reported, 9 (31%) failed within 6 years, 7 were taken out of service, and 13 evidently are still in use. The WD7406D came, 74GB, came out in 2003. Of 782 reported, 11 (1.4%) failed, 15 were taken out of service, and 756 are evidently still in use. I don't know if bigger, newer drives are made better. The Google report said reliability depends on the brand and the year. My next disk will be a WD7406D! An antique like that will probably set me back thousands of dollars, but reliability is priceless.
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 13:54 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <bie1b9Fdib8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54068 |
On 2013-12-30 17:37:19 +0000, Bread said: > The thing is that the SuperDuper clones require more intervention on my > part and > the least reliable part of my backup system/workflow is *me*. Crashplan and > Time Machine just happen. I'm puzzled by the statement that SuperDuper! clones require more intervention. I have two SuperDuper! clones produced automatically in the middle of the night and no intervention on my part is required. -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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| From | Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 13:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <301220131314128994%otto@bogus.address.com> |
| In reply to | #54082 |
In article <bie1b9Fdib8U1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: > On 2013-12-30 17:37:19 +0000, Bread said: > > > The thing is that the SuperDuper clones require more intervention on my > > part and > > the least reliable part of my backup system/workflow is *me*. Crashplan and > > Time Machine just happen. > > I'm puzzled by the statement that SuperDuper! clones require more > intervention. I have two SuperDuper! clones produced automatically in > the middle of the night and no intervention on my part is required. Well thanks again everyone for contributing. This has certainly been more of an education than I had planned and why I still love Usenet. This is just for home use and I bi-annually burn to CD/DVD pics, important docs, etc. anyway. The upcoming jump from Snow Leopard to Mavericks made me start to think about cloning my Air just in case something bad happens or doesn't go right and I lose something and need to boot externally. The free WD Bookend (or what ever it's called) works perfectly and even booting via USB 2.0 only takes a bit over 60 seconds so that's not bad. I'll just keep in safe in a drawer and just use it when I need it. Have a safe New Year's Eve everyone! -- Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before. Please respond to: scasse@invalid.net replacing invalid with sonic.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 14:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <l9st90$lfd$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #54082 |
On 2013-12-30 19:54:17 +0000, TaliesinSoft said: > On 2013-12-30 17:37:19 +0000, Bread said: > >> The thing is that the SuperDuper clones require more intervention on my >> part and >> the least reliable part of my backup system/workflow is *me*. Crashplan and >> Time Machine just happen. > > I'm puzzled by the statement that SuperDuper! clones require more > intervention. I have two SuperDuper! clones produced automatically in > the middle of the night and no intervention on my part is required. Inasmuch as I specifically want my clones *not* plugged in all the time, it requires me to pull out drives and swap them and such. And in the case of the laptop, as opposed to the desktop, such plugging and unplugging would not even be optional - it's the only way, whereas Time Machine and Crashplan both work all across the network entirely in the background. (And, yes, I'm aware that SD! can go to a network-mounted drive and/or disk image, but in practice, I've never found that to be successful or time-efficient).
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 18:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlc3d7a.ed0.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #54041 |
In message <291220132136524546%otto@bogus.address.com> Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> wrote: > In article <slrnlc1u6b.c4g.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <vilain-E2F745.14592728122013@news.individual.net> >> Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: >> > In article <l9nbrf$qqu$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> >> >> Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: >> >> >> >> > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up >> >> > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, >> >> > what would you all recommend for an external HD? >> >> >> >> I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - >> >> >> >> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go >> >> >> >> They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive >> >> that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives >> >> but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, >> >> but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. >> >> >> >> Billy Y.. >> >> > Seagates and Western Digital drives have caused me nothing but trouble. >> > I bought a 1GB Seagate and it died within a week of doing a full clone >> > backup. Took it back to Frys and they wouldn't take it back because I >> > didn't buy their extended warrantee. I had to send it back to Seagate. >> > 6 weeks later after dealing with UPS, I get the replacement that had the >> > same problem. I tossed the drive and won't buy Seagate ever again. >> >> I haven't had any trouble with Seagate drives EXCEPT for their drives >> sold in enclosures, all of which are complete and utter shit. I had a >> 3TB USB 3.0 Seagate that would not mount at all until I ripped it out of >> the case (destroying the case in the process) and put it into another >> enclosure. >> >> I stopped buying WD years ago, but still buy bare drive Seagate or >> Toshiba or Hitachi. >> >> They are all getting progressively worse though. > This sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in using an external > drive for backup. I just used CCC to clone my HD to the WD "bookend" > drive that was just given to me. I'll try to boot from it tomorrow but > don't expect any problems. It almost seems like I should get another > drive and clone that as well, just in case. But how many do you really > need to keep your important data safe? One could sure go crazy with > this. How important is it? For reasonably important data you should have at least 4 copies of it. One is you 'live' copy, then you have two local backups and the 4th is an off-site backup. If the data is REALLY important, then add more off-site and local backups. -- You could save people. You could get there in the nick of time. And something could snap its fingers and say, no , it has to be that way. Let me tell you how it has to be. This is how the legend goes. --Soul Music
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 03:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bi9l14Fflh8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53960 |
On 2013-12-28, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: > >> Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up >> to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, >> what would you all recommend for an external HD? > > I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - > > http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go > > They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive > that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives > but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, > but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. I have two of these and love them. I bought mine empty and put my own drives into them. They are quite small, bus powered with an option to use wired power, and came with handy carrying cases to hold everything you need. I have found that some 7200 RPM drives tend to make the heat sink pretty warm, but that's a minor thing. Overall, these enclosures have been a pleasure. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 07:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <CEE58402.A5F52%ghost_topper@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #53995 |
On 12/28/13 9:59 PM, in article bi9l14Fflh8U1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2013-12-28, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: >> Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> writes: >> >>> Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up >>> to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, >>> what would you all recommend for an external HD? >> >> I really like these (just bought my 7th one) - >> >> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go >> >> They have a large heatsink (hard to see in the photos) for the drive >> that works very well. These used to be supplied with Seagate drives >> but now come mostly with Hitachi drives, which also seem to be ok, >> but it'll be a while longer before I can say that for sure. > > I have two of these and love them. I bought mine empty and put my own > drives into them. They are quite small, bus powered with an option to > use wired power, and came with handy carrying cases to hold everything > you need. I have found that some 7200 RPM drives tend to make the heat > sink pretty warm, but that's a minor thing. Overall, these enclosures > have been a pleasure. Let me just say "Dittos" to the above two testimonies. Haven't found anything more versatile.
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-28 17:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9nkmt$t67$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #53946 |
On 12/28/13, 12:21 PM, Otto Pylot wrote: > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just > backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up > with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be > bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to > keep the cost at $100 or lower. The primary laptop is a mid-2011 > MacBook Air. Thanks. > I don't know enough to make a recommendation, but I bought a USB 3.0 WD Elements drive in 2012 for Time Machine. It's bootable in that it has a Recovery volume. I don't know the difference between Elements and Passport Slim.
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| From | Earl Grey <earl@t.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 10:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9pdpm$h4s$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #53946 |
On 12/28/13, 12:21 PM, Otto Pylot wrote: > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just > backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up > with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be > bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to > keep the cost at $100 or lower. The primary laptop is a mid-2011 > MacBook Air. Thanks. > These days, hard drives-- like most computer components, are essentially commodities. The major brands are all fine. Even the worst of them are very good. You can't go wrong. Buy by price-- unless you like to throw money away. One TB models are routinely on sale at Newegg, etc., for $59 with free shipping, no tax. "Regular" prices are usually around $70. Oh, and don't be fooled by the "Formatted for Mac" sales pitch in some HD ads. 30 seconds using Disk Utility will reformat most any drive for a Mac.
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| From | yellow label <here@there.was> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 17:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <biavagFo3b4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54007 |
In article <l9pdpm$h4s$1@news.albasani.net>, Earl Grey <earl@t.net> wrote: > On 12/28/13, 12:21 PM, Otto Pylot wrote: > > Ok, it's a new subject related to my previous question about backing up > > to a bootable external. With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > > what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just > > backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up > > with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be > > bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to > > keep the cost at $100 or lower. The primary laptop is a mid-2011 > > MacBook Air. Thanks. > > > > These days, hard drives-- like most computer components, are essentially > commodities. The major brands are all fine. Even the worst of them are > very good. You can't go wrong. > > Buy by price-- unless you like to throw money away. One TB models are > routinely on sale at Newegg, etc., for $59 with free shipping, no tax. > "Regular" prices are usually around $70. > > Oh, and don't be fooled by the "Formatted for Mac" sales pitch in some > HD ads. 30 seconds using Disk Utility will reformat most any drive for a > Mac. Remember that USB2 ain't as fast as USB3 that's slower than Thunderbolt. If you wanna reuse it 4 TimeMachine or something... -- teleportation kills
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| From | John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 16:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9q44r$2ne$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #53946 |
Otto Pylot wrote: > With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, > what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just > backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up > with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be > bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to > keep the cost at $100 or lower. My recommendations will be different that most others. I would suggest you buy a USB3/SATA docking station and one or more "bare drives" to use with it. If you're unsure of what a USB3/SATA dock is, go to amazon and enter "usb3 sata dock" into the search box, and you'll see MANY choices. I happen to like the products from plugable.com. A few samples: http://plugable.com/products/USB3-SATA-U3 (above accepts either 2.5" or 3.5" drives) and http://plugable.com/products/pss-dd1 (above accepts TWO 2.5" drives) (Disclaimer: I've no financial interest in plugable other than being a satisfied, paying customer) The advantages of a dock are: - easy to install and remove a drive, and swap drives if necessary - bootable, behave same as would an "externally-enclosed" drive If there are disadvantages, I guess they would be: - not as easily portable as an externally-enclosed drive - don't appear as elegant "on the desk" as does an enclosed drive If you're not open to the idea of a "docked drive", you might also consider buying this enclosure: http://oyendigital.com/hard-drives/store/U32-M.html .... and putting the bare drive of your choice into it. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-29 21:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9qlqs$s4l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #54019 |
On 12/29/13, 4:27 PM, John Albert wrote: > Otto Pylot wrote: >> With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, >> what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just >> backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up >> with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be >> bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to >> keep the cost at $100 or lower. > > My recommendations will be different that most others. > > I would suggest you buy a USB3/SATA docking station and one or more > "bare drives" to use with it. > > If you're unsure of what a USB3/SATA dock is, go to amazon and enter > "usb3 sata dock" into the search box, and you'll see MANY choices. > > I happen to like the products from plugable.com. A few samples: > http://plugable.com/products/USB3-SATA-U3 > (above accepts either 2.5" or 3.5" drives) > and > http://plugable.com/products/pss-dd1 > (above accepts TWO 2.5" drives) > > (Disclaimer: I've no financial interest in plugable other than being a > satisfied, paying customer) > > The advantages of a dock are: > - easy to install and remove a drive, and swap drives if necessary > - bootable, behave same as would an "externally-enclosed" drive > > If there are disadvantages, I guess they would be: > - not as easily portable as an externally-enclosed drive > - don't appear as elegant "on the desk" as does an enclosed drive > > If you're not open to the idea of a "docked drive", you might also > consider buying this enclosure: > http://oyendigital.com/hard-drives/store/U32-M.html > .... and putting the bare drive of your choice into it. > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- I like your approach. A few years ago, I bought a disk from OWC (Macsales). I could have bought the enclosure and disk separately, but I bought them together. One morning the enclosure failed to light. That's when I discovered the mistake of buying them together. I thought the disk was okay, but opening the enclosure would void the warranty. If I mailed the whole thing back and my internal drive crashed while it was gone, I might never get my backup files. Besides, I'd be putting my personal data in the hands of strangers. The wall wart had failed. Tech support wouldn't tell me if wall-wart failures could usually be fixed with a new wall wart. To avoid sending off my backup files, I bought another wall wart from them. In a few hours of use, the enclosure failed although the wall wart was still good. So I sent the whole thing back under warranty. It came back with a checklist saying everything worked. Without even connecting it to my computer, I plugged in the wall wart and turned on the enclosure. It was still dead. I contacted tech support. They said if I sent it back, the result would be the same. They would not stand behind their warranty. So I bought an enclosure and a disk. Not from OWC, of course. If the enclosure fails, my disk will remain safe. If the disk fails, I'll quickly replace it. A dock would be even better, making it easy to keep a backup away from the computer. I've come to like 2.5" disks. Are there advantages to 3.5" disks?
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| From | claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 12:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52c168bd$0$52771$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #54026 |
In article <l9qlqs$s4l$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: >On 12/29/13, 4:27 PM, John Albert wrote: >> Otto Pylot wrote: >>> With the exception of the WD My Passport Slim, >>> what would you all recommend for an external HD? Needs are simple, just >>> backing up my HD before installation of Mavericks, probably backed up >>> with CCC, and then the occasional back up. The drive needs to be >>> bootable and the capacity could be as low as 500GB. I'd also like to >>> keep the cost at $100 or lower. >> >> My recommendations will be different that most others. >> >> I would suggest you buy a USB3/SATA docking station and one or more >> "bare drives" to use with it. >> >> If you're unsure of what a USB3/SATA dock is, go to amazon and enter >> "usb3 sata dock" into the search box, and you'll see MANY choices. >> >> I happen to like the products from plugable.com. A few samples: >> http://plugable.com/products/USB3-SATA-U3 >> (above accepts either 2.5" or 3.5" drives) >> and >> http://plugable.com/products/pss-dd1 >> (above accepts TWO 2.5" drives) >> >> (Disclaimer: I've no financial interest in plugable other than being a >> satisfied, paying customer) >> >> The advantages of a dock are: >> - easy to install and remove a drive, and swap drives if necessary >> - bootable, behave same as would an "externally-enclosed" drive >> >> If there are disadvantages, I guess they would be: >> - not as easily portable as an externally-enclosed drive >> - don't appear as elegant "on the desk" as does an enclosed drive >> >> If you're not open to the idea of a "docked drive", you might also >> consider buying this enclosure: >> http://oyendigital.com/hard-drives/store/U32-M.html >> .... and putting the bare drive of your choice into it. >> >> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > >I like your approach. A few years ago, I bought a disk from OWC >(Macsales). I could have bought the enclosure and disk separately, but >I bought them together. One morning the enclosure failed to light. >That's when I discovered the mistake of buying them together. I thought >the disk was okay, but opening the enclosure would void the warranty. > >If I mailed the whole thing back and my internal drive crashed while it >was gone, I might never get my backup files. Besides, I'd be putting my >personal data in the hands of strangers. > >The wall wart had failed. Tech support wouldn't tell me if wall-wart >failures could usually be fixed with a new wall wart. To avoid sending >off my backup files, I bought another wall wart from them. In a few >hours of use, the enclosure failed although the wall wart was still good. > >So I sent the whole thing back under warranty. It came back with a >checklist saying everything worked. Without even connecting it to my >computer, I plugged in the wall wart and turned on the enclosure. It >was still dead. I contacted tech support. They said if I sent it back, >the result would be the same. They would not stand behind their warranty. > >So I bought an enclosure and a disk. Not from OWC, of course. If the >enclosure fails, my disk will remain safe. If the disk fails, I'll >quickly replace it. > >A dock would be even better, making it easy to keep a backup away from >the computer. > >I've come to like 2.5" disks. Are there advantages to 3.5" disks? I've had less than optimal warranty experience with OWC as well. Might as well buy on the 'bay...
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 08:55 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <bidfroF9pk2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54053 |
I guess I might be called a backup freak, but too many are the times I've heard people at the Genius Bar groaning when they are told it would cost as much as a couple grand to rescue *some* of their data from a failed but not backed up drive. In my case, call it overkill if you wish, I perform two nightly bootable clones to LaCie drives using SuperDuper!, a TimeMachine backup to a third LaCie drive, and a CrashPlan backup to the cloud which is updated at 15 minute intervals. I have, on a few instances, restored from a SuperDuper! clone, and have, also restored a prior version of a file using TimeMachine. I've yet to need to do a restore using CrashPlan. Perhaps a a bit of overkill, but the total cost is small when compared to the comfort it provides! -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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| From | John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> |
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| Date | 2013-12-30 10:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l9s3hm$1m4b$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #54026 |
J Burns wrote: > > I've come to like 2.5" disks. Are there advantages to 3.5" disks? That's a very good question. My take (and it could certainly be wrong): I'm thinking that 2.5" drives have come a long way, in that they've reached a point where they may actually be "more rugged" than 3.5" drives. My rationale is that 2.5" drives are designed to go into laptops, and designed to endure the jolts and bumps to which laptops are subject. I've had 3.5" drives fail. But I haven't had a failed 2.5" drive yet. And the capacity of 2.5" drives has increased enough, to the point where they are now viable as "backup drives". And easily moved around and stored... --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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