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  Jobs' theft and recovery RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-16 16:59 -0700
    Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 17:04 -0700
      Re: Jobs' theft and recovery RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-16 18:58 -0700
        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-16 22:31 -0400
        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 19:53 -0700
        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-16 20:07 -0700
          Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 21:39 -0700
            Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-17 01:25 -0400
              Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-17 08:15 -0700
              Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-17 08:50 -0700
              Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-08-17 15:55 +0000
                Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-18 22:26 -0400
                  Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-18 21:08 -0700
                    Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-08-19 07:28 +0000
                      Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-20 00:33 -0400
                        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-20 07:35 -0700
                          Re: Jobs' theft and recovery George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 10:04 -0500
                  Re: Jobs' theft and recovery George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 11:07 -0500
    Re: Jobs' theft and recovery JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 21:42 -0400
      Re: Jobs' theft and recovery "Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> - 2012-08-17 15:02 -0500
        Re: Jobs' theft and recovery nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-17 13:20 -0700

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#29597 — Jobs' theft and recovery

Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
with a big haul, incuding Apple products.

Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
account, from his house, with his new iMac (brilliant! and
further confirmation of my theory that prisons aren't full of
criminals, they're full of imbeciles) (I have a file full of such
incidents) (watch the police blotter in your local newspaper,
it's hilarious)

How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
contain a unique ID?

I know little about computer security or hacking, I'm trying
to edjicate myself -

--
Rich

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#29598

In article
<7acf52e2-f7be-4f59-8816-ca4a31d40600@kg10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
> 
> Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
> account, from his house, with his new iMac (brilliant! and
> further confirmation of my theory that prisons aren't full of
> criminals, they're full of imbeciles) (I have a file full of such
> incidents) (watch the police blotter in your local newspaper,
> it's hilarious)
> 
> How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
> address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
> or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
> Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
> contain a unique ID?

macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique mac addresses.
actually, all computers do.

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#29603

On Aug 16, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> > with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
>
> > Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
> > account, from his house, with his new iMac
>
> > How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
> > address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
> > or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
> > Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
> > contain a unique ID?
>
> macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique
> mac addresses.  actually, all computers do.

So, they recognized his computer's ID number when
he logged into iTunes?  And then located hin through
the IP address?

Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a
special effort for this celebrity case?

--
Rich

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#29604

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:58:45 -0400, RichD wrote
(in article 
<01b433d4-0bc9-4720-85df-d2d1e114bbf2@f4g2000pbq.googlegroups.com>):

> On Aug 16, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
>>> with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
>> 
>>> Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
>>> account, from his house, with his new iMac
>> 
>>> How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
>>> address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
>>> or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
>>> Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
>>> contain a unique ID?
>> 
>> macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique
>> mac addresses.  actually, all computers do.
> 
> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when
> he logged into iTunes?  And then located hin through
> the IP address?
> 
> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a
> special effort for this celebrity case?

If 'Find My Mac' is turned on _before_ the theft, it is trivial to locate the 
computer to an accuracy of approximately 10 meters. If 'Find My Mac' is not 
turned on, then when System Update makes a check with Apple's computers it 
will notify them that it's checking in, using the MAC address in the network 
card and the serial number of the Mac. Both the MAC address and the serial 
number are unique. If Apple has been notified that the device is stolen, the 
MAC address and serial number will be flagged, and the IP address from which 
the connection was made will be noted, and from that a physical location may 
be determined, depending on how smart the thief is. Other items which call 
home periodically include many Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Adobe products, 
all of which report serial numbers, MAC addresses, and IP addresses. Again, a 
physical location can quickly be determined. In addition, if the device in 
question has something like Laptop Lojac installed then there will be an 
active search for it as soon as it is reported stolen. If the thief knows 
about 'Find My Mac' and turns it off in time, and if he turns off System 
Update or if he never connects to the Internet, then there might be a slight 
problem finding him.

No, it's not a special effort. A local man found his stolen iPad thanks to 
the use of some of the above items; he had less than stellar co-operation 
from the cops, though. 
<http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/lake_worth/lake-
worth-man-uses-cloud-to-find-stolen-ipad> I'm fairly sure that the cops moved 
a _lot_ faster in the case of the stuff stolen from Jobs.

-- 
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

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#29605

In article
<01b433d4-0bc9-4720-85df-d2d1e114bbf2@f4g2000pbq.googlegroups.com>,
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> > > with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
> >
> > > Apparently, he was caught after he activated his iTunes
> > > account, from his house, with his new iMac
> >
> > > How did they trace it?  The report said it was through his IP
> > > address, but his assigned IP address - through Comcast
> > > or whatever - must be different than Jobs' home connection.
> > > Was it some hidden tracking software, or does each Mac
> > > contain a unique ID?
> >
> > macs have a unique serial number and 1 or more unique
> > mac addresses.  actually, all computers do.
> 
> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when
> he logged into iTunes?  And then located hin through
> the IP address?

basically, yea.

read the gory details here:
<http://081512-news-redacted-pages.s3.amazonaws.com/081512-NEWS-redacted-
pages.pdf>

> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a
> special effort for this celebrity case?

that no doubt helped.

somehow, i doubt if you or i called apple and asked them to be on the
lookout for a stolen imac or macbook or whatever connecting to the
itunes store, that they'd be watching all that closely.

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#29606

In article 
<01b433d4-0bc9-4720-85df-d2d1e114bbf2@f4g2000pbq.googlegroups.com>,
 RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes? 
>  And then located hin through the IP address?
> 
> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort 
> for this celebrity case?

My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29607

In article <michelle-8FA32E.20070916082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes? 
> >  And then located hin through the IP address?
> > 
> > Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort 
> > for this celebrity case?
> 
> My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.

you'd guess wrong. the police report states that apple saw an ipad and
imac belonging to steve jobs connecting to apple, and using the ip
address, the cops tracked him down.

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#29610

On 8/17/12 12:39 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <michelle-8FA32E.20070916082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes?
>>>   And then located hin through the IP address?
>>>
>>> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort
>>> for this celebrity case?
>>
>> My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.
>
> you'd guess wrong. the police report states that apple saw an ipad and
> imac belonging to steve jobs connecting to apple, and using the ip
> address, the cops tracked him down.
>

Because police are renowned for knowing about technology, so everything 
in the press release has to be true.

Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two 
years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new 
cars, and even fax machines confuse them.

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#29620

In article <k0kkkp$lcl$1@dont-email.me>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

> Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two 
> years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new 
> cars, and even fax machines confuse them.

I doubt that that's true any more.  I attended my city's Citizens Police 
Academy last year, and the PD for this rather small suburb (population 
240,000) has its own crime lab, which has very knowledgeable forensic 
computer personnel.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29623

In article <k0kkkp$lcl$1@dont-email.me>, Justin
<justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

> >>> So, they recognized his computer's ID number when he logged into iTunes?
> >>>   And then located hin through the IP address?
> >>>
> >>> Would this happen with any iMac, any theft, or was it a special effort
> >>> for this celebrity case?
> >>
> >> My guess is that they used the "Find my iPhone/iPad/Mac" technology.
> >
> > you'd guess wrong. the police report states that apple saw an ipad and
> > imac belonging to steve jobs connecting to apple, and using the ip
> > address, the cops tracked him down.
> 
> Because police are renowned for knowing about technology, so everything 
> in the press release has to be true.

it wasn't a press release. it was the actual police report.

> Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two 
> years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new 
> cars, and even fax machines confuse them.

the police who were investigating included a team *specifically* for
high tech crimes, so yes they *did* know about computers.

<http://www.reacttf.org/>

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#29625

In article <k0kkkp$lcl$1@dont-email.me>,
Justin  <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

[unneeded quotage deleted]


>Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two 
>years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new 
>cars, and even fax machines confuse them.


I don't know where you live, but this incident took place in Silicon
Valley. The Palo Alto police quickly requested the assistance of this
group:

http://www.reacttf.org/

And that's who tracked the stolen computer and put out a warrant
for the perpetrator.

Also, I wrote a case study for Apple several years ago about a
sheriff's department in Central California that uses Macs for
computer forensics. (Not the same as realtime tracking, but
still sophisticated.) That department even used their computer 
knowledge to successfully prosecute a high-profile murder case.

Your blanket statement is way out of date.


Patty

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#29699

On 8/17/12 11:55 AM, Patty Winter wrote:
> In article <k0kkkp$lcl$1@dont-email.me>,
> Justin  <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>
> [unneeded quotage deleted]
>
>
>> Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two
>> years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new
>> cars, and even fax machines confuse them.
>
>
> I don't know where you live, but this incident took place in Silicon
> Valley. The Palo Alto police quickly requested the assistance of this
> group:

Cops are cops.  Other than guns, drugs and college girls going five mph 
over the speed limit, they're out of their league.

They consider "forensics" as looking for kiddie porn in hidden folders. 
  At best, they're using that Microsoft forensics tool to do the work 
for them.
Even Palo Alto needed help from an outside source.
Your examples are the exception.

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#29702

In article <k0pit6$7fk$1@dont-email.me>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

> Even Palo Alto needed help from an outside source.

That "outside source" was police.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29706

In article <michelle-EB2FAF.21080418082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <k0pit6$7fk$1@dont-email.me>,
> Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>
>> Even Palo Alto needed help from an outside source.
>
>That "outside source" was police.

Yeah, and he also ignored my example of a successful murder
prosecution. Obviously he wants to keep believing what he
believes.


Patty

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#29747

On 8/19/12 3:28 AM, Patty Winter wrote:
> In article <michelle-EB2FAF.21080418082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> In article <k0pit6$7fk$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Even Palo Alto needed help from an outside source.
>>
>> That "outside source" was police.
>
> Yeah, and he also ignored my example of a successful murder
> prosecution. Obviously he wants to keep believing what he
> believes.
>
>
> Patty
>

Did you work for a sheriff's department?
You pointed out the exception to the standard.
Ever notice how a Normal Distribution stretches on both sites to 
infinity?  Learn why that is, and you'll understand.

Sheesh, you kids are touchy.

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#29760

In article <k0senn$tbj$1@dont-email.me>,
 Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

> Sheesh, you kids are touchy.

Yup, we are touchy about erroneous blanket statements, especially those 
made by bombastic pompous asses.

Oh, and we're not kids, sonny.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29762

On 8/20/12 9:35 AM, in article
michelle-301018.07352520082012@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <k0senn$tbj$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Sheesh, you kids are touchy.
> 
> Yup, we are touchy about erroneous blanket statements, especially those
> made by bombastic pompous asses.
> 
> Oh, and we're not kids, sonny.

The irony: He's posting from a .edu organization...

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#29729

On 8/18/12 9:26 PM, in article k0pit6$7fk$1@dont-email.me, "Justin"
<justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:

> On 8/17/12 11:55 AM, Patty Winter wrote:
>> In article <k0kkkp$lcl$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Justin  <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> [unneeded quotage deleted]
>> 
>> 
>>> Take it from somebody who worked for a Sheriff's department for two
>>> years; cops know absolutely nothing about computers, cellphones, new
>>> cars, and even fax machines confuse them.
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know where you live, but this incident took place in Silicon
>> Valley. The Palo Alto police quickly requested the assistance of this
>> group:
> 
> Cops are cops.  Other than guns, drugs and college girls going five mph
> over the speed limit, they're out of their league.
> 
> They consider "forensics" as looking for kiddie porn in hidden folders.
>   At best, they're using that Microsoft forensics tool to do the work
> for them.
> Even Palo Alto needed help from an outside source.
> Your examples are the exception.

You are a fucktard idiot.

Next time your ass is in a crack, call your mama...

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#29602

RichD wrote:
> Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> with a big haul, incuding Apple products.

Any software that was on the computer which had Steve Job's ID in it
would have tried to contact some central server to check for new mail or
whatever. The system itself may have done a software update connection
with Apple's software update servers, at which point, it is likely the
system ID might be transmitted (or perhaps some Apple ID as well, not
sure) and they would then have an IP address associated with the system
ID of a system declared as stolen.

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#29631

In article <502da17c$0$1633$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> RichD wrote:
> > Steve Jobs' house was burglarized, July 17.  The thief made off
> > with a big haul, incuding Apple products.
> 
> Any software that was on the computer which had Steve Job's ID in it
> would have tried to contact some central server to check for new mail or
> whatever. The system itself may have done a software update connection
> with Apple's software update servers, at which point, it is likely the
> system ID might be transmitted (or perhaps some Apple ID as well, not
> sure) and they would then have an IP address associated with the system
> ID of a system declared as stolen.

According to the news story, the thief was caught after he tried to "connect to 
the Internet with his iTunes account".  That doesn't sound like a software 
update check; more like he tried to authorize a stolen Mac or iOS device on his 
own (the thief's) iTunes Store account.  Doing that probably sends the machine's 
serial number or UUID to the iTunes Store server, so they can keep track of 
which machines are authorized to access purchases made on that account.

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