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  Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization phiroc@free.fr - 2013-12-10 01:07 -0800
    Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-12-10 08:32 -0800
      Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization billy@MIX.COM - 2013-12-10 17:09 +0000
    Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-11 10:26 +1300
      Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-10 16:51 -0500
      Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-10 14:33 -0800
        Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-12-10 15:30 -0800
          Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-11 05:14 +0000
            Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-12-11 08:51 -0800
              Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-11 13:35 -0800
                Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-12-11 15:45 -0800
                  Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-12 06:29 +0000
                    Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-12-12 12:00 -0800
                      Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-13 00:12 +0000
                        Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-12-12 17:15 -0800
                          Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-13 01:43 +0000
                            Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-12-12 21:40 -0800
                              Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-12 22:09 -0800
                                Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-13 19:57 +1300
                                  Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization android <here@there.was> - 2013-12-13 08:19 +0100
                                    Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Conor Hughes <conorh@conorh.net> - 2013-12-13 11:51 -0800
        Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-11 12:54 +1300
      Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-10 23:32 +0000
        Re: Using OSX Mavericks Server as personal iCloud for device synchronization dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-11 13:11 +1300

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#53310

android <here@there.was> writes:

> In article <1ldu1mw.1lwsoq18hjz40N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>
>> Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <qb7gb92trx.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
>> >  Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes:
>> > > 
>> > > (snip)
>> > > 
>> > > > If you have a Google account in Contacts (OS X), for example, there
>> > > > will be a check-box in the setting to sync the iCloud contacts to the
>> > > > Google account. This is how my mother keeps her iCloud contacts synced
>> > > > with Google.
>> > > 
>> > > I see.  This isn't really what I would mean by a "iCloud works in a
>> > > mixed environment" but I do understand what you are saying now.
>> > 
>> > A mixed environment to me is non-MacOS boxes like a Windows 7 and Linux
>> > box connecting to iCloud.  AFAIK, that's not possible.  They can, 
>> > however, connect to Google and get contacts and calendar info.
>> 
>> Outlook 2007 or later on Windows can sync mail, contacts and calendars
>> with iCloud, if you install Apple's iCloud Control Panel for Windows.
>> 
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1455
>> 
>> Linux is not supported, except via a roundabout method (such as syncing
>> with Google, which is then synced with a Mac or Windows machine which
>> also syncs with iCloud).
>
> http://trac.calendarserver.org/ ? Haven't tried it myself...

Just speaking to calendarserver, I used it with a Debian VPS for awhile,
just among Apple client devices, though (I started using it before
iCloud was released). Eventually I had to rebuild that server, and at
that point just switched to iCloud for my personal calendar since it was
one less service to administer. It wasn't due to any major
dissatisfaction with calendarserver, though.

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#53234

Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <1ldplua.1ckbxev9zw743N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
> 
> > > Is there a simpler way to back up your i-devices' data than using
> > > Mavericks Server?
> > 
> > You can back up your iDevices using iTunes in Mavericks, as before. You
> > just can't sync contacts and calendars directly, because Mavericks
> > dropped the Sync Services framework.
> > 
> > I'm using iCloud for contact and calendar sync, and have been for many
> > years (via MobileMe prior to the existence of iCloud).
> 
> So now the Mavericks users are stuck using a 3rd-party solution to sync
> everything to their machines directly?  I think this is what the OP 
> wants but can't have.

Third party direct solutions will be seriously limited as well, because
most or all of the previous ones depended on being able to use Sync
Services to access data in Calendar and Contacts (Sync Services took
care of merging conflicts, and held its own last synced copy of the data
for comparison).

Sync Services is gone in Mavericks, so Calendar and Contacts can't do
local sync any more, and neither can iTunes.

Calendar and Contacts do support network connections to WebCal/WebCard
servers, so a possible third party solution would be to run a server
dedicated to those functions on the Mac itself, and set up Calendar and
Contacts to sync with it on both the Mac and iOS device. The iOS device
would need to access the Mac via WiFi (or possibly via USB/Bluetooth
tethering, but not a simple USB connection like with iTunes).

Otherwise you are looking at running OS X Server (either on the same Mac
or another one on your LAN), or using an Internet solution such as
iCloud or Google.

There is one possible route for syncing locally with non-iOS devices
(e.g. for an equivalent to Missing Sync): a third party application
could use AppleScript to extract data from Calendar and Contacts, sync
with other devices, deal with any merge conflicts, and then update
Calendar and Contacts via AppleScript.

That won't work for iOS devices, since iTunes is needed to do the sync,
and it won't talk to a third party local sync mechanism.

Direct access to the Calendar and Contacts databases is probably a bad
idea, since subtle details of their structure could change with a minor
OS or security update, and there could be assumptions in the OS about
having exclusive access to those files even if Calendars and Contacts
aren't running.

> I don't use iCloud for contacts and calendar and just use Google's 
> stuff. It works on my phone, Linux box, and Mac.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#53233

In message <1ldplua.1ckbxev9zw743N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
  David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> <phiroc@free.fr> wrote:

>> Hello,
>> 
>> further to the realization that MacOSX Mavericks didn't let me synchronize
>> my iPad's Contacts and Calendar contents with my Mac anymore, I decided to
>> purchase Mavericks Server. After several unsuccessful attempts to retrieve
>> an Apple Push Certificate with a self-signed server certificate, I have
>> come to the temporary conclusion that I need to fork out $150 to purchase
>> a certificate from a third-party. Have other people in this group come to
>> the same conclusion?

None? First of all, you can get free certs or generate a self-signed
cert. I was able to get an Apple Push cert without a trouble when I
tried to do it.

Here's one:

<http://cert.startcom.org>

(not a recommendation, I've never used them).

> I haven't got around to upgrading my server beyond 10.6.8 yet, and
> haven't looked into this.

> I saw a long article on Ars Technica today about Mavericks Server. I've
> only read the first page (of 10) so far but it mentions the push server
> certificate mechanism, and says that it requires an institutional Apple
> ID (not a regular personal one used for iTunes/App Store, nor a
> developer ID), with which you can get a free push certificate supplied
> by Apple.

I wonder if that is a change in 10.9. I got one with my developer ID,
but that wasn't under 10.9.

-- 
A marriage is always made up of two people who are prepared to swear
that only the other one snores.

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#53235

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1ldplua.1ckbxev9zw743N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
>   David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > <phiroc@free.fr> wrote:
> 
> >> Hello,
> >> 
> >> further to the realization that MacOSX Mavericks didn't let me synchronize
> >> my iPad's Contacts and Calendar contents with my Mac anymore, I decided to
> >> purchase Mavericks Server. After several unsuccessful attempts to retrieve
> >> an Apple Push Certificate with a self-signed server certificate, I have
> >> come to the temporary conclusion that I need to fork out $150 to purchase
> >> a certificate from a third-party. Have other people in this group come to
> >> the same conclusion?
> 
> None? First of all, you can get free certs or generate a self-signed
> cert. I was able to get an Apple Push cert without a trouble when I
> tried to do it.
> 
> Here's one:
> 
> <http://cert.startcom.org>
> 
> (not a recommendation, I've never used them).
> 
> > I haven't got around to upgrading my server beyond 10.6.8 yet, and
> > haven't looked into this.
> 
> > I saw a long article on Ars Technica today about Mavericks Server. I've
> > only read the first page (of 10) so far but it mentions the push server
> > certificate mechanism, and says that it requires an institutional Apple
> > ID (not a regular personal one used for iTunes/App Store, nor a
> > developer ID), with which you can get a free push certificate supplied
> > by Apple.
> 
> I wonder if that is a change in 10.9. I got one with my developer ID,
> but that wasn't under 10.9.

Having a look through the Member Centre on Apple's developer site, it
appears I can get a "Website Push ID certificate" when I'm signed in
with my developer Apple ID.

"Registering your Website Push IDs lets you generate Apple-issued
certificates which are used to digitally sign and send push
notifications from your website to OS X."

I'm a member of the Mac Developer Program (US$99 per annum), but I don't
know offhand if this is also available to the free Registered Apple
Developer group.

Assuming this is the right sort of certificate, then Ars might be
confused about a reference to "team agents and admins", which are
important for companies which have multiple developers linked to one
developer account with Apple.

A sole developer would qualify, using their developer Apple ID.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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